Tony Ortega at the Village Voice has done a comprehensive, very accurate story on Debbie Cook, see Scientology In Crisis.
If anyone doubted my report last night as to Miscavige’s “handling”, Corporate Scientology Infiltrates Debbie Cook, Ortega’s article, quoting USA Today, provided further confirmation:
Spokesperson Karin Pouw adds that the “positioning” of Cook as a “prominent Scientology insider” is “inaccurate.” She describes her as “‘a disgruntled defector’ who has not had any position in the Church for several years, having left in 2007 for medical reasons.”
“The Church refers to individuals such as Ms. Cook as a squirrel. A squirrel is someone who alters the Scripture; a heretic,” she writes, asking that “you correct this error in your headline and in the text of the article.”
As Mike Rinder predicted – and was validated by the above text within hours – Miscavige has labeled Debbie a “squirrel” for urging Scientologists to read and abide by a little L Ron Hubbard.
As I noted yesterday, the more they come after Debbie publicly, the more they breach the Gag Contract they coerced her into signing. In my legal opinion, based on – among other things 22 years of concocting such Gag Contracts with corporate Scientology lawyers on the orders of Miscavige – Debbie Cook is free to share any and all experiences within corporate Scientology in order to defend herself. Miscavige, as predicted – even though he exceeded my time expectations – has footnuked himself into the public light of Debbie Cook’s full panoply of truths. Well done Dave. All of that is quite in addition to corporate Scientology’s serial breaches of the contract (rendering it null and void) over the past two and one half years.
Tony’s story also makes reference to a St Pete Times Editorial.
Please read it. This is historic. This is the first time they have publicly acknowledged that perhaps corporate Scientology abuses are most effectively handled by real Scientologists. Two and one half year comm lag. But if we have learned anything in all this it is patience and keeping our eyes on the mountain while gradually moving on up a little higher.
press update:
Moving On Up a Little Higher 
I wonder how David Miscavige feels about the fact, that Debbie’s “WAKE UP CALL” was read more often within 4 days than his own within a decade.
This speed of particle flow is of uncompareable magnitude in his universe, I guess.
Plus, Debbie addresses the correct outpoints.
There is no one who could stop this amount of truth and theta.
Several of your posts use the term “Kool Aid Drinkers” in referring to Scientologists.
“Kool Aid drinkers” has its genus in the Jonestown massacre in Guyana in November 1978.
The CIA broke the story initially.
Its main use since has been as a propaganda term to discredit any group that disagrees with the New World Order’s agenda and propaganda lines.
The term is used frequently to attempt to discredit Scientology or any group or individual who is deemed a threat to the police state.
Is there a relationship to the massacre and the CIA’s MK Ultra Mind Control ops?
Note the timing of the massacre. It came at a time when the CIA and FBI viewed the Church of Scientology as the main threat to its genocidal agenda.
Reference HCOPL PR Series 26 – The Enemy line.
“An enemy group usually originates several carefully worked-out entheta statements. You can always trace these as being a planned campaign by someone because the same perverted statements appear as widely separated points.” LRH
This entheta term is inappropriate in referring to Scientologists or anyone who is dedicatedly working in the cause of freedom.
Excellent! Just nipping out to restock the popcorn supplies and then must get back to those emails. 🙂
Never ceases to amaze me. The biggest Squirrel of all calling others squirrels. Again, DM and KP look like the complete asses that they are!
Corporate Scientology, Miscavige and those remaining “OTs” that enable him are so out of step with the rest world it would be laughable if it wasn’t so tragic.
While auditing I recently had reason to visit the house of a medical doctor, engage in discussions and peruse his library. I was astonished to find (but shouldn’t have been) that some form of Scientology tech had reached this doctor in at least four different ways, from Dr. Gerbode to EST, just about every possible way but NOT the Church of Scientology, oh no, not Corporate Scientology, it remained hidden away in its self created bubble, hunkered down in its paranoid bunker, while the world turned and the demand for LRH tech grew and grows ever larger.
The Kool Aid not only fools its drinkers as regards Miscavige it also seems to befuddle their minds as to the true state of Corporate Scientology. It is a mess, a shambles, a shadow of its former self and they are in a “drug induced” denial.
While perusing the doctor’s library I looked at Dr. Gerbode’s book, in the intro he noted and remembered that Scientology had as many auditors as there were mental practitioners in the USA. Not any more. The destruction of the Church of Scientology is almost complete. And, as LRH predicted, what is really destroying The Church of Scientology is its failure to deliver, its corruption and denial of the tech, its elitist refusal to give real help to the world.
My conclusion? We have a lot work to do, training and auditing! But it really is a brave new world and we have the tech to truly help people. Independence, real freedom to use the tech as LRH intended is a wonderful thing, an exciting prospect.
I agree. “The speed of particle flow alone determines power” LRH
The Times is right, it is far better for change to come from within the ranks of Scientologists than government bureaucrats. Lord knows what agenda those guys would be forwarding. A mutiny is far and away the preferable option at this point.
Larry, grow up and get into the 21st Century honey:
Koolaid Drinker: People who believe anything they are told. people who refuse to change their minds when confronted with facts.
a koolaid drinker is the liberal democrat who is liberal because they are told they should be. they have made no attempt to decide why they are liberal.
often a koolaid “drinker” simply wants to hate anything a republican does good or bad. koolaid people are the vocal howard dean wing of the democrat party. the converse of rightwing loonies. koolaid drinkers are the ones that went first when jim jones said drink.
– The Urban Dictionary
The emails have been sent.
North America, South & Central America, Africa, Denmark, Spain, 4 OT 7s, including 1 currently redoing Solo Nots another about to pay for 6 & 7, I ED plus various staff and public, etc.
BTW: Give us your take on Debbie in 100 words or less.
I’ve always noticed that impatience breeds mistakes I agree with Marty that we hold back and observe because COS is imploding. We can best be strengthened by hadyns suggestion of auditing and training. Its good to have plans and contingencies. IMHO
Does this apply to right wing republicans?
Larry & his GO crew, with their Ray Ban aviator spy glasses on, use to walk around the Boston Org like they owned the place. “Org staff” were looked on as scum. His staff had no problem walking into the C/S office and ordering him around like he was the Org’s janitor. I recall one time that Larry and his B1 boys nearly beat me into a pulp for have the audacity to speak to a public person about joining staff because they had already decided the person was going into the GO. Larry was chasing Martians then as he is now.
There’s magic in the air!
The first few responses to sending out Debbie’s email were the usual:
‘TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST!’
‘DON’T EVER SEND ME THIS NATTER AGAIN!’
But what followed on from that was surprising.
If my own personal experience these last couple of days is anything to go by then while Miscavige screams and OSA plots and the media pick over the bones of a rotten regime beginning to crumble, there’s another story beginning to unfold quietly behind the scenes.
Old friends. People I haven’t spoken to for years are responding to the email I forwarded to them from Debbie. I’m receiving simple acknowledgements and originations to connect back up again.
There isn’t any need to discuss what’s occurring. There is an unspoken understanding that the tide is now turning.
Peace within our own group is being restored and bridges are being built across that gulf of despair that has pitted Scientologist against Scientologist.
If Disconnection has been the driving force of evil behind Miscaviges regime then Debbie has finally provided the antidote needed to bring this game to a close.
It’s over.
Larry — Some folks who have posted here believe Miscavige is a CIA/IRS operative sent in to destroy Scientology. In addition to your take on Debbie I would be fascinated to hear what you think of that theory. He is certainly doing a great job of destroying the subject and bringing it into disrepute while morphing the church from an entity designed to help people into a real estate scam… Personally, I don’t believe it, I think he is a whole track SP that was of course attracted to LRH and the tech as something that had to be destroyed, but you seem to promote yourself as a New World Order expert, so I would like to hear your take. In 100 words or less. (That’s two separate requests now — 1. Your take on Debbie and 2. Your take on DM being a New World Order op).
Awesome!!
Nice idea but a mutiny still isn’t likely IMHO. Those left clinging to the wreckage are either desperately pts or have become such robots that any sort of self determined action is impossible – or both. I have been both amazed and gobsmacked in equal measure these last two years at RCS members utter inability to see what’s right in front of their noses. One local DM apologist, well known to Mike and Marty, would oft tell me that “the plane just needed to be veered back on course.” I tried to reason that people who would blindly “re -do the basics” because it was “command intention” instead of getting trained are hardly the sort of guys you’d want next to you in the trenches, and certainly not the calibre of folk likely to start a mutiny. The tiniest application of Scientology to the situation tells you that there is an evil cancer at the core of the cult. My instincts were telling me this from 2001, although to my shame it took me a further eight years to do much about it.
i am happy.
I believe your adherents can make up there own mind of the origin and use of the term “Koolaid Drinker” – if they Google the term.
And a bit of research will give them sufficient data in answer to the question – was this a purposely created MKUltra Psyop?
As I said, Its use on Scientologists is inapprorpiate unless the intention is to knowingly forward an enemy line.
Interesting….
4 months ago I was by a Doctor doing some work there and while waiting I went through his Library. She had a whole set of binders with materials about the org board, exchange, ethics, stats etc…I recognized it as rewritten LRH. No mention of Lrh or Scientology.
She meant those were Course materials she once bought in an Institute but never took the course.
I didn’t follow it up !
An atom bomb of TRUTH has been dropped squarely into the bunker.
The Death Star is imploding.
Have patience. Many people are going through the agony of waking up this week.
Prepare to help anyone who sincerely reaches out in the coming weeks and months.
Let the OSA-bots shoot off their own feet with their suicidal tactic of attempting to discredit Ms Cook.
Hopefully one day you’ll be able to use yours too. Where’s your essay on Debbie?
I am happy that you are happy.
Haydn, your comment is why you are T Paine.
I fully agree that the Church has failed utterly and completely to fully reach those who want Scientology. And people do want Scientology. When I was in Mississippi during Katrina we were auditing freaked out people all day and all night. People couldn’t get enough of Scientology. They actually clamored for it. When we weren’t auditing we were selling DMSMH at Gun Shows or other venues. I must have done a thousand stress tests and sold hundreds of Dianetics books and videos. But, besides some energetic kid in Baton Rouge Mission I was the only person doing stress tests and selling books. Why? No one from C of S placed any order into the area to get new people on board. The only thing C of S did was take advantage of photo ops so they can say they were doing something. Hell I even set up two Nerve Assist Tables in the County Building in MS and we did nerve assists all day long for 2 weeks for people working the emergency. The only reach from management was some stupid girl from CLO EUS who wanted me to send her DRs and Stats daily. I told her in no uncertain terms if she wants stats she can do something for them rather than call me demanding crap.
But that’s all the C of S is interested in these days is “Photo Ops” and “PR”. I remember the day back in the mid ’80’s when Miscaviage had the meeting with that big PR firm and they told him that we needed to clean up our image. The next thing you know we were concentrating on mest. I don’t know if the advice aligned with his mest purpose in life or if they actually meant to clean up our mest image, but if he would have been theta, he would have started cleaning up our image delivery-wise and this planet would be half cleared by now.
ML Tom
I posted a comment yesterday on a post shortly before it was superseded by a newer one so likely it wasn’t seen (it can be almost a full time job keeping up with this blog when things are going hot and heavy).
I repost it here with some additions as it is relevant to what Marty said:
For someone who claims to be the second coming of L. Ron Hubbard, POB is really deficient at obnosis (among many other things).
He convinces himself that all he has to do is issue a pronouncement that Debbie Cook is a squirrel and everyone will ignore her and dismiss what she says as the rantings of an SP. He buys his own bullshit that is reinforced by the sickly brown-nosing of the sycophants that surround him: “Sir, that was brilliant. We surveyed the FSO public and they HATE squirrels more than anything so your positioning of Debbie as a squirrel was genius.” Because he ONLY listens to the fawning praise and agreement (anyone who disagrees is immediately sent to the Hole as “disaffected” and sec checked for their evil intentions towards “COB”), he doesn’t notice that he keeps losing more and more of his “supporters” who read the drivel from the latest sockpuppet (in this case Karin Pouw) and compare it to what is being said by the person they are calling names (in this case Debbie).
And so his little empire continues to crumble around him and the only reports he gets are: “Oh, yes Sir, people are putting up comments all over Debbie’s Facebook page calling her a liar and a squirrel, they hate her.” And they show him two comments that come from OSA tools and he is thrilled to be right once again. His ship of fools is sinking and he keeps blowing more holes in the hull — while telling his captive audience “Look what a brilliant marksman I am.” And they all vigorously nod their heads in agreement as they watch the ship take on more water and every one of them is absolutely frozen, incapable of doing anything to change the course of events as it would be suicide to “disagree with COB.”
And as POB alienates more people and eats away at the supporters he had because he has convinced them he is “L. Ron Hubbard’s guy” — make no mistake, HIS power comes ONLY from L. Ron Hubbard — and as he spits on LRH’s legacy and flaunts his “my way or the highway” routine he digs his own grave. The followers of L. Ron Hubbard will not tolerate his blatant off-policy, out-tech, anti-LRH actions forever. And if they do, they are actually followers of the cult of David Miscavige and more fool them. POB preaches applying Responsibilities of Leaders PL to HIM (Int Management have M9ed that PL numerous times and been made to read different versions of books about Simon Bolivar) – of course, he forgets that this is the PL HE should be applying. Along with Essay on Management.
Now he is turning Debbie Cook into an avowed enemy, forced to fight back (he could easily have calmed the waters with a PR statement “We are reviewing matters and conducting a Board of Investigation to look into situations raised in her email” or something, but his vanity and personality will not allow that. Anyone who even hints at being in disagreement with anything he does or says is to be “taught a lesson” and “crushed.” Humility is not his strong suit. He thinks he is a PR genius. In truth, he is his own PR nemesis.
He has also done something else. Proved to many naïve individuals who still guzzle the KoolAid that “handling” the situation internally is a joke. Even when Debbie tried to prevent this from getting into the media and begged people to treat this as an internal matter, when she has made NO statements to the media and in fact got the Village Voice to take down her email, the character assassination began and everything she said they attempted to dismiss as the rantings of a squirrel (not ONE word in response to the policy quotes she referenced). So, POB is right in one sense – he is teaching everyone a lesson. Some will understand this “lesson” as reinforcing their existing fear “don’t ever say anything even slightly critical and keep your head down and shut up. Don’t think for yourself” But many others will understand this lesson “The writings of L. Ron Hubbard are no longer paramount in today’s church of Scientology. When someone is labeled a squirrel for pointing out policy violations, with SPECIFICS, the church is dead.”
I swear POB has not come across a human being on planet earth that he cannot turn into his avowed enemy. What a guy!!
If it wasn’t destroying the reputation of something so valuable, it would be a very entertaining show to just sit back and watch.
Right on the head of the nail.
I am happy you are happy.
Sam, I believe you have just described what many of us are going to be experiencing soon. Gentle, gradient re-connection.
DM’s worst nightmare. Well…..actually his worst nightmare is his entire future time track, but…..just sayin’.
Sam, your right. There is an opportunity here. I hope folks cool it on the labels of squirrels and kool aid drinkers. Lets kick the doors open. No one wants to be wrong and made to look the fool.
Tough questions are ok. Pointed answers are OK. But leave some room for reconcilation. Few cognite when under attack, real or imagined.
Selected Lines from Larry’s Opus in response to a request for a response under 100 words so that we would not subject our readers to Shermanspeak (which many left C of S in order to escape from):
Example – your lead article today refers to the Village Voice – a propaganda tool of the police state.
And your use of the Police State propaganda terms and your validation of Police State propaganda organs like the SP Times and Village voice is destructive to ALL Scientologists.
Larry, seems like the shoe fits you so wear it. If you support the out-tech, off-policy organization that calls itself th church of Scientology then you are a koolaid drinker.
I also had a negative reaction to the use of the term koolaid drinker. For people who lived in the SF Bay area at the time of the Jonestown mass suicide, this term touches a raw nerve. However, I don’t believe that it is being miss-applied here. To have someone contact you and tell you to disconnect or unfriend someone and base this request on an interpretation of ethics policies, and then, without thinking, follow this illegal order highlights the culture within the Church of Scientology. To disconnect from children, parents, husbands and wives and isolate oneself away from any and all questioning about how things are run; to turn over all assets to the point of personal bankruptcy; to take orders and blindly follow them are more examples of this. You can’t ignore the stories of how staff are treated; how children are abused; how people are detained unlawfully; the insanity without taking on a certain state of blind obedience. This is what the term “koolaid drinker” means and it certainly applies here. There is no “enemy line.” It is just the plain truth, pure and simple.
i am happy you all are happy 🙂
Entertaining story that never happened – but if you insist it did, why not file an assaut complaint?
Haven’t had much of a chance to comment since all this came out a few days ago but this is…well, it’s delicious!
Every single one of the bearing beams and timbers in Davey’s ship o’ fools are creaking and groaning under the strain.
May the best come of it.
A special thanks to Debbie and all the others who are bringing this about .
Davey: Never rub another man’s rhubarb!!
Spot on Mike. As I recall there is an LRH reference on not using heavy ethics on the public but use PR instead. But any attempt at using PR by POB is either Black PR or it is just full of lies and therefore completely ineffective as it recoils back on him. The not so bright …. in his case bloody stupid. He really is his own worst enemy.
Flunk Larry. You cannot duplicate an invitation. Perhaps you are attempting to demonstrate why Miscavige is putting OT VIIs and VIIIs onto 100s of hours of objectives. After all, objectives handle that inability you’ve demonstrated. First, you attempted to avoid the Debbie question I asked by lumping it with your wingnut answer to Mike. Second, you went far over the 100 word limitation. Come again, let us see if you can carry out a simple instruction.
Censorship on the new Independant site?
Wow!
Huh????
Larry. Stop for a second.
Now find a chair and take a seat.
Breathe deeply until you feel yourself calming down.
Try to focus on one thing at a time.
Have a good day.
I’m happy that you’re happy that they’re happy
i am too happy that you’re happy.
Why not publish what I said and let your readers make up their own minds instead of resorting to a nullification attempt?
+1 WOW!!
Proof of the pudding. Tony Ortega just noted this on Facebook:
Top four searches at villagevoice.com right now: 1. scientology 2. is scientology imploding? 3. Scientology 4. scientology news
When will the sheep stop following and listening to the garbage and lies SCN spews?
So well put. I want to see a list of all the people who have been declared in the last ten years and compare this to a current list of Scientologists. Something tells me the math won’t add up – I’m sure it’s way more than 2%!
But, Debbie has committed THE biggest crimes – being there and communicating, so I’d expect the goldenrod is on it’s way (I know she’s been denounced, but has she been declared an SP?)
Whatever happened to THE CREED OF THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY? This is what I grew up understanding to be true of my religion.
It’s a bit much to paste here, but these points alone are enough seriously contradict what is happening today:
“We of the Church believe:
**That all men have inalienable rights to their own religious practices and their performance. [!!!!!]
**That all men have inalienable rights to their own lives.
**That all men have inalienable rights to their sanity.
**That all men have inalienable rights to conceive, choose, assist or support their own organizations, churches and governments.
**That all men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others. [!!!!!]”
Cook isn`t in good standing anymore. Pretends hoping great dissemination and a year
of real progress up The Bridge for all Scientologists, but making it difficult, or impossible to everyone, who has read her Mail.
She`s lying, pretending to get this Mail out of the Media! She new perfectly it would go viral! That`s 1,1.
Her concerns are laughable. Pretending to have “the utmost respect for the thousands of dedicated Scientologists and Sea Org members”, but in real cave them in hard.
Cook is using Policy to stop things. Like LRH, it`s my opinion to, Policy should go to hell, when it`s used, to stop things, instead of getting the show on the road.
Not everything in life hast to be covered by LRH policy. The regging occurring in our church is to PUT THE SHOW ON THE ROAD FAST! It`s big Fun, and it“ s a privilege and an illusion, to see all these wonderfull ideal orgs, we can be proud of!
We are Scientologists! LRH told us, it requires as MINIMUM, the Publics shouldn`t be repelled from our Buildings. That`s hardly enough, but it`s NOT the Ideal Scene, COB is working for! Fundraising for it is a LOT of Fun! What better thing you could do with the fucking money?! Buying a Ferrari? Forget it!
The Sea Org members and the dedicated staff of orgs around the world
not only are choosing to do these actions, the love it, and you can see that. And Scientologist love to be asked for money, to reach our goals, or shorten the way towards ist!
And the didn`t stop direct dissemination of Scientology! Why should they, that`s Fun too!
The very highest echelons within the Scientology structure have a lot of work, to get the show on the road, as they still have to deal with human beings, and the reactive mind!
“Pressure” is not established because of Pressure! It´s trying to wake up more Energy in the fellow Scientologist, if he can`t do it him or herself, He wants it, he needs his Energy.
The IAS came after the HASI. That`s all there is to say! And the IAS is very succsessfull!, serving and protecting our Religion, and Scientologists!
“There are two memberships…”- LRH
Yes. But if a Scientologist donates a lot of Money, much more than it is usually expected, then this Scientologist should be honoured! LRH wouldn`t have forbade that!
Yes, the INTERNATIONAL ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP and gives was at 10
pounds sterling or $30 US. He also lists a LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP which is
priced at $75 US. But that was in the last Century! Today, in buying Power, the memberships costs much less!
Our reserves at INT are our Life Insurrance! The only crime in this world is, besides of communicating, to HAVE NO MONEY! If we were poor, they had us sacked long ago, and Scientology woukld be History by now! By Using Scientology, like LRH teached us, we are still here, influencing the world positively.
It `s not Out Tech if some case resulted Not Clear! What the Hell! What should we do? The guy isn`t clears, so try again! We were not able to read E – Meters! The Tech is young!
Whe a C/ S sees someone is mid OT III and not making it, then he must handle that, not ignoring it!
LRH did the adecuate, once he saw such a case! So let`s do it too, when we see this Manifestations for which LRH found a solution! That`s not a Violation of a HCOB! YOU CAN`T go on, if you didn`t handle that first! Even if you triy it! So what? What should we do?! If it is necessary to repeat the Purif, so do it!
LRH Command Structure is there! It`s been holded from above! I´m shure the Board get`s filled again, the moment the competent Thetans are there! It would be impossible NOT to doit!
Where is Heber, the President of the Church? What about Ray Mitthoff, Senior C/S International, the one that LRH personally turned over the upper OT Levels to? How about Norman Starkey,
LRH’s Trustee? – The Truth is, people get older! There`s a moment, you are not able anymore to do the necessary things at the Top of Scientology. It`s the same way for all of us.
Cook says: “The truth is that I spent weeks working in the empty International
Management building at Int” . EMPTY! How absurd! Empty, because the girl was not able to confront and see the lot of Thetans there all around, I`m shure! – Where do OT`s go when they kick the Bucket? Where would YOU go? Where`s LRH? Anyone thinks Thetans are not able to influence or control Things, once they left the Body? Think it over, are you a Scientolgist, or a peace of Meat?
“There were hundreds and hundreds of unanswered letters and requests for help
from org staff, written based on LRH ED 339R where LRH says that staff can
write to these top executives in the Exec Strata for help.” Cooks writes. But she knows fucking well, this things were to resolve in the Orgs internally!
David Miscavige is de facto the “Leader” of the Scientology religion. He is following the goals LRH gave him, and have us. It`s great to have him, where he is. I couldn`t think of anyone better. I like this guy, and if he really ever slapped someone in the Face, it must have been well deserved! Did you know, which consequences a wrong handling at INT has Worldwide?!
Cook is trying to prevent Scientologists to give Energy to their Orgs, and for the good of Scientology. THa´ suppressive! I would never have expected that from her.
“Please keep this email among us, the Scientologists. The media have no place
in this.” Cook writes. Laughable! How can a person be so naiv! Cook isn`t that dumb! She simply transformed into an Enemy!
“You may wonder why I have not written a KR and gone about my
business. The answer is, I have. But there is no longer anyone to send that
KR to.” She is lying! Why DID she write a KR, when she KNEW i`ts no one there to read it?!!!
“But you can and should write reports and bring off-policy to the attention
of local org executives and local Sea org members.” She tells the world. Yes, go on, entturbulate every Thetan you can get! I could spit on the Floor! Stupid Bitch!
I am not trying to do anything other than affect a change in serious off
policy actions occurring. My husband and I have most of our family and many
many good friends who are Scientologists. I have not been real interested in
sticking my neck out like this.”
I don`t know why she is doing that. But she is explaining her Actions, without being asked for it. She must be trying to take weight off of her conscience! It must hurt pretty strong y now. She wanted to handle it inside. Didn`t work, and she knew, it would result in an out security Situation.
“It is simply not possible to read the LRH references and not see the alterations and violations that are currently occurring.§ she says.
Oh yessss, that`s perfectly possible! There is NO difference between LRH References, and what COB is doing. Perhaps, you should add Time into your calculations! We live in 2012 now, not in the Eighties of the last century!
Yes, we have a very simple obligation to LRH. Flourish and prosper. Don’t participate in squirrel Tech! We`ll fail, if we can`t adapt us in the environment. We will survive, more bad than good, if we ARE a bleto adapt us to the environment. – But the best way to not only survive, but to expand, is, and will ever be, to ADAPT THE ENVIRONMENT TO US!
Happy new year!
Thank you Mike. Your well constructed comment should be spread far and wide to all those who have received Debbie’s email. It is the perfect response and follow-up addendum to bring order to the tornado that is tossing things widely around the heads of those folks who are currently experiencing the Kool-aide hangover.
Outstanding post! Thank you for reposting.
One cannot be considered “in good standing” one minute and then be called a squirrel for citing LRH policy the next. Attacking Debbie is tantamount to calling LRH a squirrel and it is backfiring big time.
Clear the word “nearly”. That being said it was a verbal assault; not a physical one. But for a wet behind the ears new staff member it was very intimidating. Now deny that you, Julie and Bobby didn’t wear those macho aviator glasses all the time, that you didn’t think your shit didn’t stink, that Org staff were scum and that your GO didn’t occupy 2 of 5 floors of the Org including your beautiful penthouse office overlooking the Charles River! Tell me Sally didn’t regularly go “rip off the face” of Ken the Org C/S and if you are a true man of honesty how about manning up to overseeing the B & E of Paulette Coopers’ doctor’s office? Come on Larry, be a man of truth.
Mike, You are hilarious! But this is great advice to anyone 🙂
Snow White and Larry Byrnes in the same day? Eureka!
Flunk again. Three strikes and you are out. Then it is back to your Mecca of free thought and speech.
“The terrible terrible power of words” – a GREAT group process.
Strike three, you’re out. Adios Muchacha.
mmmmmm……grape! My favorite flavor!
“Occasionally you’ll find a scene wherein a person’s or area’s PR is
greater to him than his production – PR, personal PR, means more than
production. And that is a characteristic of a suppressive. He’ll fog
the situation up with big PR about how good it is so it can’t be
handled.” (Ref: HCO PL 15 Mar 77R “DATA SERIES 41R”)
TA’s moving.
Not to mention B & Es.
Snow White! Thank you for the Glee! Here’s to Ovaltine!
Thanks Marty – BTW – you should update your clock or web site blog clock. The time is wrong?
Larry,
I am not here to keep these ongoing to no-where. Yes, there are people controlling groups and activities on this planet for nefarious purposes. That is the world we live in. This blog has to do with the subject and application of Scientology as written by LRH. I believe you would agree that the use of this tech is good for mankind.
Adding significance to everything to some overall police state isn’t an answer to anything. You use the internet, you get your news whether in print or electronic. Those are the comm lines of the world. To refuse to use them because you believe they are a tool for someone else is to place you alone, in the dark and afraid of shadows. I don’t believe that is where you want to be.
This issue is the internal blockage and alteration of Scientology. It would be nice to see it handled internally. Debbie used emails to send individual communication. She did not paste her letter on facebook. Others posted comments about it and she asked them to contact her email.
Kool-Aide drinkers is now a commonly used phrase. (Def: “Drinking the Kool-Aid” is a metaphor commonly used in the United States and Canada that refers to a person or group’s unquestioning belief in an ideology, argument, or philosophy without critical examination. The phrase typically carries a negative connotation when applied to an individual or group.) Culture as it moves through time creates and redefines words and terms and we shouldn’t be hung up on only one definition, when another definition may be what applies in specific cases.
Back to the here and now. I would appreciate your honest assessment and response to what Debbie has done and how this affects Scientology as LRH envisioned it. Secondly, just as in the NWO, how is the problem of an iron-fisted leader of the group, DM, to be handled except by those with the knowledge, power and guts to stand up and communicate – and then to continue communicating truth in the face of chaos blowing off.
These questions can be addressed without including other conspiracies. These questions are to an internal issue of the subject and organizations of Scientology. If you believe they are fully co-opted then you shouldn’t even both posting either way as you think it is game over. I believe we have an entire life ahead of us and we are merely sorting out how to make it easier and better by keeping alive the available and use of the tech.
Otherwise, say hello to Jessica and enjoy the new year. Even from the sidelines you can watch the show go on.
Press Update
The TIMES London (scan of article page 5 tuesday 3)
Apropos of nothing… The drink used at Jonestown was Flavor-Aid, not Kool-Aid. I’m sure the folks at Kool-Aid wished more people knew that. Just sayin’.
This past couple of days has been just amazing. Good for Debbie!
Woohoo. Must be doing something right.
THE Snowhite!
An indicator of how desperate things are in Dear Leader’s bunker.
It’s like seeing buzzards circling in the sky. You know there is a dead animal right underneath. Or flies circling shit.
When Snowhite is let loose, it means a shitstorm is happening in the bunker.
I’m happy go lucky.
Feeling quite plucky.
All of this truth is absolutely ducky.
BAM!
Hey Snow White – you’re joking right? Your post is sarcastic, right?
He’s got a long history here.
It is GMT/UTC. Greenwich Mean Time also known as Coordinated Universal Time (UTC.) All other time zones are based upon this as a base point. The web time is correct, just not Mountain, Central, Pacific, etc time – but GMT time.
From what I’ve seen, Larry isn’t a koolaid drinker. He’s the one fetching the water and pouring the drinks. There is sometimes a fine line between PTS and suppressive. Larry seems to have long since crossed that line.
Thank you David Miscavige, the TRUTH is being exposed.
Amazing how much dub in (I guess that’s what it is) there is in this posting from Snow White. Debbie didn’t see anyone at Int because they are all disembodied beings???? Hmmm… Senior Scientologists such as Heber have disappeared because they are old?????? Omigod.
OMG, Snowhite, this post made my day!! The desperate spin, the frantic NOT-IS the breathtaking degree of non-confront. I was literally holding my sides laughing in pain while reading this. Whatever is going on in your mind it is truly marvelous and should be studied by science!
If LRH were alive today, I believe he would make you a case study covered in a Red-Volume. 🙂
Your kidding right? If you are, very funny, but if your serious, you are seriously in need of some help. May I suggest that you go back and do OTTRO and TRO zero again as your level of confront is appalling. I also suggest that you get thoroughly word cleared and false data stripped on KSW1.
DM is not forwarding LRH goals, policy, or intentions but is doing everything he can to pervert Scientology and turn the organisation into an out-exchange (criminal) organisation that is only interested in ripping off the public.
I am sorry you are more interested in justifying these practices rather than have some balls and confront what is right in front of you. You really should sit back and consider for a moment the magnitude of the overts that you are either perpetrating and or ignoring. The repercussions of this are inescapable.
Ha, ha. Perfect example of Poe’s Law: “Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won’t mistake for the real thing.”
Poe’s Law suggests that it’s difficult to distinguish between parodies of religious fundamentalism and its genuine proponents, since they both seem equally insane.
The above would be absolutely hilarious as a parody of what hard-line Scientologists believe, and the mental gymnastics they have to go through to keep their “faith” intact.
OK, so he’s not kidding. I get it – he’s just a squirrel determined to defend the King of the Squirrels, and not even doing a good job at it. I won’t bother with taking up all the ludicrous statements he made, then.
Great – thanks!
I think King Tiny Balls believes he = LRH = everything DM says = his dog = giant golden columns = God = elevator shoes = golden commander bars = RTC = elite motorcycles, cameras, watches, clothing = Ethics = $1.5 billion = PR = a small penis = truth = help = betrayal = IAS = giant watermelon-sized cod pieces on Battlefield Earth the movie = worthless promises = giant empty buildings (ideal!) = The Golden Age of Suppression = hate = Shermanspeak = everyone who just read this should be burned at the stake. Especially anyone smiling. This paragraph is actually the words to the well-known and popular beer-hall dance tune (sung down in Hades), “The Apparatus has Blown another Piston where its Gasket Used to Be.”
It is great to see you on like the Steve Hall we know and love.
Thanks for to touch of wisdom Jeff. We missed you.
Snowhite / Schneewittchen aka Amadeo Mena Vicente – thats his real name.
He is in Germany and originally from Spain. Says he would be a normal Scientology public but is very close to OSA if not OSA. What he is denying.
What he wants is to have reaction on his writings ( as he himself feels as an author and want to write the stories from the reactions he get) .
So every comm to him is pointless as he is not really interested in communication
Since the mid 90’s, when my wife and I first started writing KRs on out-tech, I’ve been hearing this chant, “you have to keep that kind of stuff on proper lines.”
It’s been a mystery to me what the hell those “proper lines” are.
Now, thanks to this blog and the Tampa bay times, I finally know.
The “proper lines” means to stand inside a garbage can while 100 screaming lunatics demand you confess that you are a homosexual.
Glad I got that MU cleared up.
I just got word that there was a mass email sent out by the local DSAs about some recent “entheta”, though there was no specific mention of Debbie’s email. Apparently, several people have sent copies of Debbie’s email to the local DSAs. One is then told by the DSA that Scientology is expanding like crazy and that one should just ignore such “natter”, without mentioning any of the valid points that Debbie brought up like crush regging. Obviously this is an OSA-orchestrated campaign to attempt to deal with the fall out from Debbie’s email – one should just continue to accept the BS that is being fed to them by Corporate $cientology. TALK ABOUT HAVING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND!!!
🙂 🙂 🙂
I strongly suspect that an independent Scientologist has hacked into Snow White’s email account and forged this. “Snow White’s” command of English does not permit posts of any length, so this is obviously not by her, him, it. I suspect the work of Thoughtful here. Or who was that guy last year writing all those great posts from COB’s desk. Somebody, anyway, but not the late, great Snow White.
SNOW WHITE:
When weaning yourself off of Prozac, you are supposed to do it on a gradient, man.
Apparently, you’ve decided to go straight up and vertical with your withdrawal, which your psychiatrist strictly warned against.
Now, these delusional “battles” you are currently immersed in, while quite entertaining to those of us who are actually in valence, are strictly a fabrication existing exclusively between the right and left ear of COB, aka Liar Liar Pants On Fire, aka Shorty McCopper Rod.
Your Pink Sheet is as follows:
1. Word clear “Propitiation” to 3-swing, altered F/N.
2. Word clear “Differentiation” to 3-swing, altered F/N.
3. Apply Confusion fully to E/P (dropping DM’s valence).
4. 350 hours of Objective processing at your expense, delivered by Class lX.
5. Increase your honorary status (because status is very important, as is being honored, liked and admired), with a financial donation not less than six figures.
6. Recall how much happier you were in high school: Girls. Beer. Zeppelin.
7. Come up to present time and LOOK at the ugly game you are playing in life, attacking the very people who are working hard to get the truth out there.
Time machine: Jan 4 2012
Snowhite – thanks for the confirmation that her email is not only the truth but has impinged! I know the all- powerful thetans that fill the apparently empty buildings at Int were there, and I guess Debbie just couldn’t see them. My question is why then do you need to keep a double sided razor fence to keep the mere mortal bodied SO members locked up.
Ah yes, some left over work from the past – just a reminder of the razor fence:
http://publicintelligence.net/scientology-headquarters-gold-baseint-base/
BTW, why don’t you adapt the environment there and just take down the freakin fence, say thank you to all staff and let them vote with their feet on the question of where to go where the organization is really doing exactly what LRH wrote? They are just using up air, water and food – as you said they are “old”. I play my bets on an “old” person with a true purpose and a can of woop-ass up against you any day. You could remain with a mere handful and enjoy the stockpile of food and Scotch.
Just in case you are not joking:
next time get a Kool-Aid-Drink w/o Aspartame.
This one looks quite good:
It has all the benefits of the “imitation flavor” PLUS Vitamin C!
Mike (and Marty),
I was going to post the following point when the whole Freedumb magazine on Paul Haggis and The New Yorker came out, because it was so appropriate. But it seems somehow appropriate with Debbie Cook now too.
Back in the spring of 1970, the then well-known author and Scientologist — William Burroughs (he had just gone Clear) — started criticizing the Church and LRH publicly in the media. Most notably, he wrote a widely read piece in “Mayfair” magazine, a popular British men’s magazine in Mar. 1970. (He wrote this after being highly laudatory of Scientology and LRH in earlier articles.)
While the content of the various articles is interesting, the most stunning thing is to look at how the Church and then Mary Sue and then LRH each personally responded publicly — all three in subsequent published articles in “Mayfair” in Apr, Jun and Aug 1970. They didn’t attack Burroughs or make him the enemy, they used ARC and found points of agreement. They even admitted to errors, and made a point of noting that the organization was working to correct them. And keep in mind that Burroughs was a Timothy Leary supporter! Burroughs then responded positively, and publicly, to LRH.
It’s a fascinating comparison to how Miscavige and his “church” respond to public criticism today, and shows just how starkly reversed and self-righteous things have become in organizational Scientology over the last 20+ years.
You can find the articles online (google “burroughs scientology mayfair”), or I’d be happy to email them. You guys (and anyone else interested) should really check them out, if you haven’t already. A fascinating look into the striking difference between Scientology of 1970 and Scientology of 2012.
You are absolutly right! Snow White is known – as a german public, he, in his own words, is not an auditor, he studied the basics – …
Thanks for the advice.
Of course when your boss is beating the sit out of you the proper channel is to talk to your boss about it. I am sure that will resolve the matter!
Another media take on it.
http://rt.com/usa/news/civil-war-church-scientology-169/
SKM, I agree.
Very true.
Right now, just after the explosion, there are lots of smoke and dust in the air.
But I would not dare to predict what we are going to see in a few months, when the air has become clean again.
I guess Scientology will never be the same again.
And when I say “Scientology” I mean just that, not the rip-off scheme and lie factory of that dying “church”.
THANK YOU, DEBBIE !!!!!
Hmm dunno about that. I see an improvement but I don’t think I can honestly resist calling the person who told me she’s going to KR me to OSA Int a koolaide drinker – if the hat fits 😀
Margaret — Great comment. I have read the Burroughs article and the responses. Of course RJ 69 and the Reform Code are another example. But these things don’t fit the idee fixee that dictates Miscavige’s response to any slightest criticism. His hero is not L. Ron Hubbard, its Genghis Khan — wipe out all who stand in my way and crush and who dare question my absolute authority.
This is just wonderful!!!!
CoS allegations that Debbie is a “squirrel” are cracking me up. I will never again read that word without forming a mental image of the “squirrel-busters”.
Nail on head!
Sam, that is so awesome. agreed, it is over!
Mike, I love your civility. Hopefully larry will read and read some more. Back in the 90’s when folks on ARS called you an SP I defended you. And they piled on me like I had horns. But I knew what I knew.
I can see that Larry is not commenting on Debbie’s letter. He has to confront a scene he has totally missed and is having trouble. Hopefully one day he will sort it all out. But I do think the rhetoric and name calling being done by some here should be calmed down and is counter-productive to the opportunity that Debbie Cook’s letter has presented. When the corporate ship is taking on water and sinking, its harder to jump into the ocean with sharks waiting. Lets keep the hand which offers help and assistance outstretched. Most here get it. A few do not. Lets all watch for 3P’s.
In relation to Burroughs:
“Think for Yourself and Question Authority”
– Timothy Leary
I forwarded Debbie’s e-mail to a friend in Europe who was happy to receive it, and they are now passing it on to family and friends who have been in private disagreement with the CoS, but have had no idea what is going on in the US, with Independents, etc. The ripples continue outward and will have a greater and greater effect around the world.
“Never rub another man’s rhubarb”. Now there’s sage advice if ever I heard it
bigtime
Well, spank me twice and call me Norma, if it isn’t Snowhite back for some more. The fun just goes on and on…
Hi Davey, good to hear from you.
So you just declared Cook for pointing out LRH policy, for announcing publicly the enemy and delivering a blow so effective that you even dropped us a little note; thanks for confirming she was right. So going up the Bridge is more difficult for Scientologists now that they’re told to donate only for the Bridge. Now Scientologists cave in hard by being shown LRH. You think LRH Policy should go to hell and are proud of it. You admit that your ideal orgs are an illusion which you’re proud of as well. You admit you have fun getting people into endless debt and bankruptcy. The internet is full of Scientologists that hate to be asked for more $$$, I haven’t seen one post with: Yippeeee, I just was regged again, just like last week and the week before and the one before that, yohooo! And I was asked more money every time, wwwoooww!! The Off Policy IAS was very successful in giving away the trademarks to some non Scientologists tax lawyers, now owning CST. It’s not serving and protecting any Scientologist, only you. The Int reserves are your life insurance only and a poor one at that. You’re making criminals in your own definition by bleeding your flock of all their $$$$. All the Clears and OT’s made by LRH and LRH trained auditors are not Clear and OT because LRH and his auditors couldn’t read an e-meter in your opinion only. You admit the board is empty but it was full and per LRH that means the wrong personnel got fired. That means they all have to be reinstated and the guy that didn’t get fired should be (hint). Ray, Norman and Heber are too old for post; where’re their bodies? You tell us that Int management building is inhabited by ghosts; WTF do ghosts need a 70 million building for… So you slapped some faces for the good of Scientology ww; now look what a PR that has caused you ww! You hate Cook for trying to get energy to the orgs instead of to off policy regg fests that only serve you. And bringing that off policy to the attention of local org executives is now a suppressive act. That is your policy, the exact opposite of LRH, cleverly pointed out by Cook. The only one that can’t see it is you. You’ve been very successful in adapting the environment to you, you made it to all mainstream media ww; don’t stop the good works now!
Happy new year!
The International Business Times is covering the story. Go Debbie!
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/276398/20120104/debbie-cook-leaked-email-scientology-david-miscavige.htm
This has got to be a parody. I especially loved:
“EMPTY! How absurd! Empty, because the girl was not able to confront and see the lot of Thetans there all around, I`m shure! – Where do OT`s go when they kick the Bucket? Where would YOU go? Where`s LRH? Anyone thinks Thetans are not able to influence or control Things, once they left the Body? Think it over, are you a Scientolgist, or a peace of Meat?”
Thanks, Snow White, for the giggles!
“Put it on proper lines”
I have seen with my own eyes a letter from the IJC, Uuuhhhmmm, that’s the INTERNATIONAL JUSTICE CHIEF saying that he would never get anything done if he had to follow policy. And that is a near verbatim quote.
I have seen with my own eyes similar Letters from RTC although not quite as boldly stupid.
So you MORONS and Propagandists please peddle your bullshit elsewhere. There are simply too many of us that have experienced first hand the DELIBERATE OFF- POLICY, OUT ETHICS and OUT TECH being propagated by Miscavige and his corrupt fecal chewing minions.
Go Debbie!
I feel deeply ashamed. This Snowhite is from Germany and defends his “great leader” just like a boy of Hitler’s youth organisation. I had hoped that we had overcome such attitudes.
At the same time Snowhite fails utterly to confront the local scene here in Germany :
# Has Snowhite ever looked at the actual results of the “ideal org program” ? The “ideal org” of Berlin is in fact quite idle. You can watch the Div 6 (area for new people) from the outside ; a few big colorful screens there, but hardly any people.
# Has Snowhite ever looked at the “stellar expansion” Miscavige brags about ? Most or all German orgs are significantly smaller than 20 or so years ago.
# Has Snowhite ever read the famous policy of Keeping Scientology Working ? LRH said: “So the ogre which might eat us up is not the government or the High Priests. It is our possible failure to retain and practice our technology.” But since decades corporate radical scientology has engaged in bashing the German government and its officials, journalists, people who studied cult behaviour, former RCS members, Freezone members etc. While the production statistics have been shrinking, and no end of that in sight.
# Has Snowhite ever confronted that all PR efforts towards expansion had no effect here ? This includes TV spots (1993), huge posters with “think for yourself” (1998), a multi-city exposition campaign (2000), lot of webseites, and also a journalist who was apparently spoon fed by OSA – only to dead agent himself quickly by his own illogical drivel.
# Snowhite might not know that a staff member of a German org is very sick or even dying right now. This person had been on staff for more than 3 decades, had been Clear for about the same time, gave all to the group and was not helped further up the bridge. A very tiny bit of Miscavige’s billions might save the life of this dedicated staff … but that will not happen.
Snowhite, you should think twice, whom you accuse of STOPPING !
Flavor-Aid must have had a terrible marketing department – or a wonderful one!
“Some of the techniques [of Scientology] are highly valuable and warrant further study and experimentation. The E Meter is a useful device… (many variations of this instrument are possible). On the other hand I am in flat disagreement with the organizational policy. No body of knowledge needs an organizational policy. Organizational policy can only impede the advancement of knowledge. There is a basic incompatibility between any organization and freedom of thought.” -William S. Burroughs
True enough.
Kool-Aid sure has had a wrong indication.
BTW, there’s a fascinating new book about Jonestown called “A Thousand Lives”. Many of the followers were forced to drink the poison. It was either drink or get shot.
It took about three hours between the time the Titanic hit the iceberg until it finally sank. Debbie Cook’s email was not so much the “thud” of the ice on the hull (that was Marty, Mike, Karen and the first salvo in 2009), but the water flooding into the breach, causing the band to stop playing, and the canapes from being served.
and just for good measure another media forwarding the message
http://www.newsy.com/videos/former-scientology-exec-criticizes-church-in-mass-e-mail
Concerning William Burroughs, what an incredible exchange between LRH and him! This was another world…
In both text there is allusions by Burroughs and by Ron to the cancellation of disconnection and cancellation of sec checking for security purpose.
Both Eligibility and Disconnection were reinstated in 1982. It’s my belief that Ron didn’t write it at this time. Between 1968 (from Ron Journal 68) to 1982 there was a huge expansion.
Then Scientology has been deeply altered to the point of almost extinction as itself. We have to walk back to the real thing, to return to the ideal scene. And for that to reverse all the changes per data series.
Debbie’s mail was just published in German on the German Indie blog.
Here the link:
Feli
So what’s the goal then Snow White?
Very appropriate – thanks for posting this Margaret.
As I read the drivel from “Ceocomp,” I was not sure whether he was a troll or what. The multiple layers of crazy are awful hard to figure out. So I was glad (in a way) that Marty, Mike and some other commenters know him as a GO/OSA goon.
It’s “loser thinking” when somebody invents enemies with fantastical super powers to explain their current woeful station in life. So Scientology isn’t clearing the planet? Stats down week after week? Blame the CIA, IRS, FBI, or better yet, a far-reaching conspiracy of all of the above. Ignore the RCS’s ridiculous pricing, its endless self-inflicted PR footbullets, stupid decisions by POB or anything else you have control over in order to justify your predicament. Another example of super-power enemy fantasies that merely embarrass the teller: Iran’s president Ahmedinajad tells his people that Jews can fly through the air like Superman and that is why Iran is not the ruler of the Middle East. Nothing to do with fanatical religiously-driven politics, funding of terrorist campaigns that makes other countries not trust Iran, massive internal economic corruption, etc. The blame game cuts you off from your own ability to make your life work.
And the inability to respond directly to Debbie Cook’s letter in the e-mail is comically ridiculous. I can’t figure out what Larry hopes to achieve by ranting about paranoid conspiracy theories. It’s the nature of the Internet that trolling on message boards damps itself out pretty quickly, especially when there are a lot of passionate (and knowledgeable) readers involved to get the discussion back on track, as many people have done here. Did he think that “dropping a bomb” (bizarre as it is) into the discussion would get everyone to forget about Debbie’s letter? (Incidentally, just so an element of my comment is on topic, I salute her courage in sending out her letter and hope it has massive impact; there’s nothing I can say that hasn’t been said already by many others)
Larry is hardly the shining example of Scientology that would make me want to go bounding into my nearest Ideal Org in a rush to find out more about the World’s Fastest Growing Religion(tm). If he sincerely believes all the stuff he’s spouting about CIA mind control, it hardly reflects well on Scientology, either the degraded RCS organization or the religious practice itself.
Robert Vaugh stated in an affidavit that he had written the disconnection ploicy of 1982 without the knowledge of LRH. And guess who ordered him to write it :
http://lrhtech.hostoi.com/index.php?topic=333.0
Ooh they’re bringing out the big guns now!
“Burroughs is a great thinker, a searching critic of things in his field. I have no faintest wish to attack him. The world needs their William Burroughses”.
— LRH in his response to Burroughs’ critical article.
Stick around – snow white is just getting warmed up – it gets funnier! 😉
It’s duck season again! 😀
“Public statements against Scientology or Scientologists but not to Committees of Evidence duly convened.”
It is my recollection that talking about an out ethics situation to others is a natural consequence of being out ethics and is the lowest level of action against someone who is being out ethics. I can see if one talked about an out ethics activity BUT THEN refused to testify before a Committee of Evidence about it would be considered “natter.” So…..c’mon…convene a Committee of Evidence and allow Debbie to testify. Really take a look and see if she is wrong in her assessment of the fundraising activities and real estate development before you label her well-thought out message as “entheta” and “natter.”
If Scientologists are really worried about entheta, then they should stop creating it for themselves and the broader community. That a long-time, respected and well-educated member giving her insight would be considered “entheta” is tragic. Wouldn’t slapping someone in the face create far greater entheta? Or hunger? Or lack of sleep? Or screaming? Or loss of a relationship with a parent, child, spouse? Or loss of a child? Or being detained?
Debbie’s email has made the Drudge Report!!!
He has a link to this article “Conflict at the heart of Scientology is exposed in bitter email outburst” by Guy Adams in The Independent.
I realized in reading this article that Debbie successfully has the media helping the public differentiate between DM and LRH. The public will see that the current Church which they have a bad opinion of, is DM’s church, not LRH.
Here’s an example: “Debbie Cook’s email, which was sent to 12,000 fellow Scientologists shortly after midnight on New Year’s Day, alleges that Mr Miscavige has adopted a dictatorial leadership style which is at odds with the doctrines laid down by the church’s founder, the science fiction author, L Ron Hubbard.”
Here is another example: “The email, headlined “Keep Scientology Working” and littered with jargon, argues that many of the policies pursued Mr Miscavige are in direct conflict to the principles laid down by Hubbard when he created the movement in the 1960s and 1970s. ”
And again here: “The church’s founder also “never authorised the purchase of opulent buildings” by the leadership, she argues. Instead, he believed that all money raised by the organisation should immediately be used to spread its message.”
VVWD Debbie!!
Huffington Report (with video):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/debbie-cook-former-scientology-leader-church-greedy_n_1183919.html
I really feel that it’s OTDT back posting again under a couple of new names (“Snow White”, “OTVIIIisGr888t”) and trying out new writing styles aimed at throwing anyone off the trail of his real identity.
John:
Larry is former GO and former SO. He was in GO WW and then in the COntroller’s Committee and then ended up in CMO Int as WDC ABLE for a short period where his main claim to fame was initiating the failed Narconon Chilocco project. He and his wife Jessica routed out of the SO, don’t recall when or how it came about. Larry was successful in a company in New Hampshire that sold software called RealWorld. A lot of people know him from his time in the GO, and in the SO and then in the Scientology “WISE” world. He seems to have become somewhat fixated on the NWO these days. Sort of a Why is God though he seems to think the IAS is taking care of it. I think he should spend a little more time on his personal well-being rather than trying to solve all the world’s problems.
The only purpose for his efforts to post here is to distract from the important discussion at hand.
He may object to the KoolAid drinker label, but if there was ever someone who accepts things without critical thought, Larry is he….
Just when I thought it wasn’t possible to improve on CeoComp (Larry’s) crock of crazy above, along comes this.
My favorite: “Yes, the INTERNATIONAL ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP and gives was at 10 pounds sterling or $30 US. He also lists a LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP which is priced at $75 US. But that was in the last Century! Today, in buying Power, the memberships costs much less!”
Another moron so cloistered in the halls of Int Base that he doesn’t understand how the Internet works. Lies are nearly impossible to sustain in the face of the staggering weight of information available for free, unlocked with a quick Google search. Lying is increasingly likely to backfire if you depend on it to convince people of your viewpoint.
It took me about two minutes to find a handy little “inflation calculator” that used US Consumer Price Index data to tell me that the $75 cost of a lifetime membership in HASI in 1970 equates to $450 in today’s dollars. But a lifetime IAS membership, which appears to be essentially just a “license to get seriously regged out of serious cash” is $4,500. Ten times higher than the inflation-adjusted cost of the original HASI lifetime membership. Nice try, moron!
“We live in 2012 now, not in the Eighties of the last century!” Yes, we most certainly do. At least, those of us not stuck in an RCS time warp. And in 2012, telling the Big Lies to try and convince people of your particular dose of crazy doesn’t work very well any more.
Huffington post is running the story with video. If there is anyone who didn’t receive the email, they surely will hear it on the news. I think there is as much interest in this as there was on the Tom Cruise reports.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/debbie-cook-former-scientology-leader-church-greedy_n_1183919.html
The YT version of the Huff post video:
Oh, I don’t mind “Kool-Aid Drinker” but I understand the objection. I really like “Sheeple” myself, or “bots”, but I really like to refer to these guys and gals as “DM and the ‘droids”.
DM is the one spouting the “Enemy Line.” What he and his minions are doing is actively working to destroy everything LRH built and stood for, all for a measly buck. The collateral damage is Scientologists’ health, well being, prosperity, and case gain.
Great post and contribution!
amadeo mena? the fat spanish guy? from frankfurt,…….? great,…hahahahahahaha ,….amadeo hombre,..que te passa por la caveza ! his father is a blown OT III,….he is 100 % not from OSA,…..but maybe a self-made important man……in DMs valence ; )
Love that magic, that theta flitter and fresh air.
And even if the majority does not respond and is silent, that’s where the seeds have been planted. That is far more exciting than the hysterical cries to be removed from the mailing list or assertions of “I deleted Debbie’s email without reading it” Jeez, are these people under the gun!
We all have done very dumb things and gone in wrong directions in and outside of Scientology. I look at how much time I have wasted before leaving the Co$, which with more smarts to think outside the box could have been greatly reduced and handled in a far less engramic way. It just takes patience.
Greta
I agree. I am seeing this as well. Just as LRH has said, it’s Scientologists you want to handle Scientology, not government investigations and police.
Mike, you’re absolutely right: POB has convinced himself that he’s the smartest guy around because he never gets any bad news. His terrified minions spend so much time trying to snatch “victory” from the jaws of every defeat with bogus evidence and statistics that there is no chance he could ever make a correct decision, even if he weren’t a twisted, stunted sociopath. Two people disconnected from Debbie Cook, “proving” to the flunkies and to DM that she has been decisively and victoriously “handled.” Pay no attention to the 6,000 that disappear quietly over the next year as a result of reading the e-mail.
I frequently tell my consulting clients that the harder it is for bad news to travel upward in an organization, the faster that organization will come off the rails. And if you don’t have quarterly financial reporting to shareholders to keep you honest, it’s possible to get way off in the woods before you come to your senses, if you ever do. That has clearly been happening in the RCS for decades.
And you’re right about DM’s ability to make an enemy out of anyone. That doctrine of “eternal struggle” is terrorist behavior — keep fighting ever more ludicrous battles when peace is a much more sensible option. Hamas is still raising money to resist the “Israeli occupation of Gaza” while failing to notice that the Israelis withdrew from Gaza in 2005 or so and all moved back to Israel.
Sam, that’s so great! I yet have to see the fruits of my sent emails…So far I sent about 50 out to my former “close friends” and relatives – however only two responds: “Please take me off your email list…” I have the feeling, it will take some time for them to start confronting. It is not easy to confront the evil…
Ceocomp, welcome to the Word Clearer!
“Drinking the Kool-Aid” is a metaphor commonly used in the United States and Canada that refers to a person or group’s unquestioning belief in an ideology, argument, or philosophy without critical examination. The phrase typically carries a negative connotation when applied to an individual or group. The basis of the term is a reference to the November 1978 Jonestown Massacre, where members of the Peoples Temple were said to have committed suicide by drinking a “Kool-Aid”-like drink laced with cyanide.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid
Now, use the expression in a couple of sentences of your own.
(sorry, hit “send” accidentally before finishing the thought)
In other words, DM is obsessed with the “eternal struggle” against an infinite variety of enemies to prove to himself that he is the One and Only Heroic Defender of Scientology, rather than looking to see what works in the real world for furthering the actual goals of the organization. It’s all about him, not about clearing the planet or any other worthwhile goal. But you know that already.
That fixation with trying to feel like a hero is why terrorists stay in the fight long after it makes no sense. They don’t care about the misery that their actions cause the people they’re supposedly helping. They just want to feel like they’re doing something heroic even if they’re ineffective and irrelevant.
Me happy too!
Sam, OK, I’ll await further entertainment. Snow White is not very good at what they do, though. It is not even a good defense of the Church and the King, even taking into account the difficulty in defending the indefensible, that’s why I thought it must be a joke.
John — You duplicated perfectly. Though I don’t doubt that POB proclaims his heroism loudly, he fights everyone and everything around him because he is utterly convinced that everyone is out to “get him.” He sees martians behind every bush. It’s a battle to the death as far as he is concerned. And until everyone else is dead he cannot be assured of survival. It’s a sad world he lives in.
They are probably looking for it in the wrong Place.
She, as everyone else already knows, any Knowledge Reports written in respect to off-policy Regging/Donations would only result in Sec Checks (More Out-Tech). In other Words, LRH Tech is not applied to the Situation, something most Corporate Scientologists have long ago become oblivious to.
The I assume you must feel the same Way about the LRH References she cited.
Stop Off-policy Activities as LRH recommended.
If I was interested in Grand Structures, I would have toured Europe instead of joining Scientology in the first Place.
Arbitrary Assessment, and not stated anywhere by LRH.
So is Bowling, but also not recommended by LRH.
You are buying into bullshit PR.
Sounds like Psychology Gobbledygook.
It banks you Money, that’s all it does.
Reference? Along with a Figure please.
Yeah, I have the same Problem when I go to the Bathroom.
A stark Difference between “were” and “will be”.
It’s a fabricated Position mentioned nowhere by LRH. Not Part of any Scientology Structure approved by LRH.
We now down to Tablets from the Mountain instead of LRH References.
it’s called Assault and it’s illegal.
She is pointing out suppressive Acts which have sabotaged Scientology by the very highest Offices.
She placed her KR on the only Line where it would be attended to … Blogs and Websites.
Merely a Statement on the Depth of the PTSness in that you refuse to duplicate the Content of her KR. That’s the real Problem.
Out Security? Exactly what Security has been compromised. Maybe you are referring to the Exposure of the Crimes of the current Church Leadership?
False Data.
I see. As time moves on, Tech ought to be altered?
A good start would be for you to start waking up.
Bryan, your comment about the “agony of waking up,” was a good reminder. I had forgotten all that, but yes, it was a lot of TA. LOL. It will be interesting to see how much TA occurs now, and yes, I will be patient, supportive, kind.
Well, well, any connection to ‘OPERATION SNOW WHITE”?
Thank you for a wonderful example of ‘Sweetness and LIght’ in operation with suppressive reasonableness.
How about a little objective processing like ‘look around here and find something that is really real to you’. Or simply ‘touch that wall’!
This may take a while but as you know it’s gonna take as long as its gonna take.
Greta
Reading this blog today was like being in the middle of a Fourth of July fireworks extravaganza — all in glorious color and sound. A gigantic blast of theta!
WOWEEEWOOOWEEEEWOW!!!!!!!!
I hope you are right. I’d hate to think somebody was really that crazy.
“Scientologists are not prepared to accept intelligent and sometimes critical evaluation. They demand unquestioning acceptance.” William S. Burroughs (Los Angeles Free Press, 06 Mar 1970)
+1
“The only thing you should ever be tough about is insisting that the other fellow ought to stand on his own feet, too. And the only way you will ever communicate that to him is to communicate it to him in a very nice way. Then he’s liable to receive it.” — LRH, from the article Kindness.
Larry might find it easier to “confront” the NWO than deal with the fact that the idolized POB is not what he thought. Larry might want to ask himself why his friend Dennis Clarke was left to twist in the wind by POB, who sent Dennis into battles and then left him to die.
Marty, not sure if you want to post this; I would not be offended if you don’t :).
Ok, so I just received several communications back from current Cof$ members regarding Debbie’s letter. I would say three and a half good ones. The three good ones state that they always knew something was wrong with the Church and that they are no longer in fear to speak out. The “half good” one supports Debbie but writes the following, “Took courage on her part. She has certainly been in the know and in the thick of it from her post. Observable truths are observable truths. I have been on Chaplain’s lines about much of this which was the proper line for me. We are the only ones to KSW and to keep our Church alive and viable. Ziba, let me also make myself perfectly clear on this. I do NOT stand with the likes of Marty Rathbun or Mike Rinder or their ilk. I do NOT like the way they went about their Church attacks and going to the press. NOT o.k. They also harmed a good friend of mine by their actions before they left the Sea Org.”
Conclusion: Confront is setting in – on a gradient, but it is setting in..
It is unhealthy to be connected to the corporate church – let alone be staff in the Sea Org. Several examples comes to mind, Ken Delderfield – SO veteran in the FLB RPF sick as a dog in 2005 – 2006. To rescue himself he used his own money to fund his vitamins, fresh food and carrot-juice making apparatus. Thankfully he did pull through and lived. BUT he was alone fighting that war, or so he felt. Hank Laarhaus, another veteran who worked with LRH; he got horriblly ill in ealry 2000 at the Flag Land Base, eventually routed out and later sadly passed away.
I myself remember a recurring, bizzarre illness I had in the SO – a cellulitis (an inflammation of the tissue). Never had that happen before or after. And I felt generally ill by the time I was routing out, but could not really define what it was. The healing process apparently began as soon as I was distancing myself from the Base and by the time the Scandinavian doctors were examining me, everything ran just fine. I was pronounced well. And I felt well, too!
What Debbie Cook has done is fantastic in so many levels. She is an excellent example of a person with integrity and ability and she sure can hold her position in space. My very best to her and Wayne.
“Well our task is to bring Dianetics and Scientoloty to a society. And the unfortunately necessary via on the line is organization. You understand this? I mean that’s an unfortunate via.
“…and when the organization itself becomes more important than the message, you no longer have a message going to the public, right?” L. Ron Hubbard, 28 Dec 1954, Unification Congress, Introduction.
Think so, too.
In Germany, he’s going for the title of the “Last lost defender of DM, PR-specialist”, studied at the Glutz University for three years. Final work was “Does humor belong in writing?” (But flunked on that – was to serious.)
You have to throttle him down after a while or you risk serious damage to your laughing muscles, accidental inhalation of pop corn, busting a body part while rolling on the floor laughing.
Here Now,
Nope, this is Snowhite, the famous. He/she’s “deadly serious”. Which makes it awful funny as you HAVE to reject this one long outpoint. Most have learned that fencing with this entity is useless. Look behind and you’ll have better luck spotting the source and get some measure of release.
If Larry thinks there are no kool-aid drinkers, then he’s obviously not seen muster on the 6th floor HGB, where… only hours before, all staff and students pulled a “Condition 1 – All Hands” painting of the entire building inside, in additon to a literal White Glove cleaning of everything, top to bottom. WHY? Because COB was coming!!!
I’ve seen it, first hand. The man shows up with a “mission” that is: take any and every exec currently ON post… OFF post. To be replaced by mind-numb robots that had been brainwashed for several weeks prior. All of this quick silver hacheting of posts and orgs managed to enturbulate everyone, create an environment of paranoia, eye contact is an overt, if you are not running (to the bathroom, to class, to post, to hell) then you have overts! Meals are rice and beans, 15 minutes to eat and get back on post! Stats? Stats be damned. Upstat, Downstat? Doesn’t matter, you’re all a bunch of SCREW-UPS! As if working from 8am to 9pm were not enough, now you’re pulling over-time.
No, Larry… they’re drinking the kool-aid. Call it something else if you want to, but it all adds up to the same thing: be squashed, be down tone, work “hard,” you suck and the only thing that is gonna change that is COB and his posse riding in and barking orders from the valance of George Patton!
Screw the pedantics, Larry. Get your head in the game or get the hell outta the way! Notice I don’t post much these days? I used to be here every day. But Marty and Mike’s game grew. Got big. It’s beyond me, and I know it. I got a family to take care of so I watch from the sidelines. It’s streekers like you that will find me off the bench, and dragging your butt to the gate because you are Off-topic, Non-sequiter, Dev-t, and a waste of everyone’s freaking TIME!
To sum up, I’ll just say this: STFU.
Now then, where’s Sam? She’s got the GOOD popcorn! 😉
Good reason for Debbie and I to keep our distance from one another, eh?
I hope Debbie gets some help with her body issues. Personally, I never felt anything but emotionally distressed which led to my departure. This after SEVERAL of my close friends had died suddenly. Even people I didn’t like also died. At the time even I didn’t see clearly what was up. Because, of course none of us were allowed to communicate about much more than the weather. And if you questioned you got on the long ethics merry-go-round.
Well, that’s neither here nor there. I am happy that Debbie seems a million miles closer to feeling better and moving on. Last time I was at Flag she was one of the few that still had an ethics presence.
Danny,
I have a feeling Sno is one of Plato’s “Forms”. A Kantian “thing-in-itself”. An elemental implanted “idea”, that Kant couldn’t, and the CC did.
He’s a character in the play.
Simple,
“Not shot. Dog bite”. (Seinfeld).
He is famous for his solid uncompromising obnosis which hardly could be beaten:
“There is NO difference between LRH References, and what COB is doing.”
We had so much fun with him on the German blogs but he seems to withdraw. I haven’t read anything for ages from him.
Nice info Ziba
Larry’s having a downer today because corporate Scientology’s horse for the presidential race was eliminated: Michelle Bachman.
It is Merchant of Chaos tech; and he has learned well from his chosen master David Miscavige.
Thanks Feli!
“What is best in Life?”
“Crush the enemy. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentation of the women.” ~ Conan the Barbarian
I’m starting to think it is THIS movie, David watches most.
Kirsi Thanks for the stories. I do hope Ken is still ok. He did a great deal to support LRH over the years. I recall an instance of him briefing LRHComps on the importance of 100 percent exact source in compiling LRH materials. That was in 88 while he was Materials Exec Int.
They should have danger signs around EVERY mission and org around the planet.
With huge banners saying proceed with caution you are about to empty your wallets, pocketbooks and bank accounts and to add insult to injury you will be brainwashed in the process.
wow what a group to belong to and if you go out of line you will be ehtics bait and if you connect up with someone like debbie Cook you will lose all your friends and family.
Where do I sign up?
Larry Byrne is an example of how Miscavige thinks and acts out.
DM still lives in the Industrial Age. He has not moved forward to the digital age
where information moves in real time almost at the speed of light.
In spite of Facebook, Twitter, Digg, Message Boards, Blogs, DM enforces medieval punishments like some unbelievable dark character from a B movie.
Debbie was savaged in SP Hole long after the internet was BUZZING with leaks and Marc Headley and John Peeler were already alerting OCMB and ESMB of the horrors within.
There is something demented about running a prison camp in plain sight in Southern California where multiple message boards tell the stories.
Law enforcement continues to get repeated reports of violations of the Law.
And SP Hole still exists !
Cruelty, atrocities and criminal acts will not be hidden in a digital age.
TRUTH WILL OUT !
Even OSA and RTC do not seem to gauge or have an idea that we live in an Informational age ~~ the Internet Super Highway and Google REVEAL at a mouse click all the dirty little secrets of an entity that morphed into a criminal enterprise.
Larry Bryne also, lives in some past age devoid of any reality to present time.
Marty, you gave him more than 3 strikes, however he does entertain ~~ oblivious of the fact that Internet research can dead agent his loony pronouncements within minutes.
These cats do not understand modern culture or the Internet or the digital Informational Age.
I am sure Debbie Cook has some neutron bombs in her hip pocket of criminal/shady stuff business wise, money flow lines, and it is a sight to see how Miscavige is goading her…..what are the consequences of that ?
I so wish I could see a true “time-line” of how events played out: just before Ron passed and 5-10 years afterward. How he went from nobody to COB… I really want that story.
Whoever is writing it: Marty, Mike, someone else? I’m buying. I really wanna know. Mostly because… I STILL say it is David that Ron was talking about in K.S.W. #1. Only, due to DM’s position, LRH got the wrong guy. Or at least… not the real Who.
The funny thing about my last post its very clsoe to the truth. So anyone thinking about leaving LEAVE and anyone thinking about getting in or trying it, DON’T it is bad for your health and well being but if you do give it a try HOLD ONTO YOU WALLETS!
Thread Hijacker.
For anyone who doesn’t know Ken was the in-charge for the compliing of all mimeo p/ls into the first OEC volumes.
No parody. Dead serious.
However, the para you quoted reveals the answer to long standing questions of DMs statistics: The “Ideal-Org”-buildings only LOOK empty! There you have the missing millions of new people that you don’t see!
I think he thinks he is applying An Essay On Management but I think he has a huge MisU (misunderstanding) on it. LRH speaks of the Dreamer of Dreams and management as two very distinct entitities one bieng an individual and the other a group. He thinks he can be BOTH and that is totally asinine! But then again he IS insane so it should not be a surprise.
“The dreamer of dreams and the user of flocks on lazy backs can not be encompased in the same man for the dream to be effective it must be revered” LRH (taken from memory and sorry if it is not right but I am pretty sure it is.
Perhaps he kisses his own ass at events in the hope people at large will mimic him?
He really is the biggest squirrel that has ever lived.
People in the future will look over this period of time and talk about this guy comparing him to a Hitler or a Mousolini but in his own league. It will synonymous to the worst and most infamous low life criminal who ever crawled the earth.
Hopefully we humans learn a lesson from this once he is over (because he is definitely sinking the ship he is “at the helm of”) and do a real danger formula so this does not happen again.
Marty, just for clarification: The last reply was not from Debbie but someone who supports Debbie’s letter
What really interests me is that Karin P. has called Debbie a squirrel in public.
The biggest crimes in the universe is being there and communicating. You talk to someone, send out a letter that is well-written, properly quotes policy, is NOT nattering, is NOT hyper-critical, but is something that is obviously intelligent by someone who has been there, and is respected beyond belief, and the answer is: “She’s a Squirrel!!!!!!!!!”
“SQUIRREL!”
Repeat after me, Karin Pouw, Church Lady:
“SATAN!”
Wabbit season! 😉
OMG could someone fix the pubcuation and spelling in the previous? LOL
The steam is still running here is another media outlet
http://publicintelligence.net/debbie-cook-scientology-1-billion-cash-reserve-email/
No kidding, right? Enjoy the popcorn to, Michael!
Good times! 🙂
Two different games.
I hope, and this post is helping, everyone showing up here will pick up on that fact.
That’s exactly it. They’ve been conditioned to perpetuate DM’s Legacy. At this point it doesn’t matter who takes over after DM, they’ll insist it’d run just the Way DM always has. Thus the Division between the Church and the Freezone is permanent — Original, and New Testament. Therefore, for either to slam down the other is completely counter-productive, and benefits neither.
Here are my Considerations for the most optimum States of the Scientology Practice in descending Order:
1. Both CO$ and Freezone
1. CO$ Only
3. Freezone Only
4. Neither Existence.
Only by themselves, CO$ will eventually collapse, the Freezone disperse. Although CO$’s Tech Alterations are rather extensive, the percentage of Squirreling in the Freezone is too high and will in all eventuality water itself down out of existance/non-recognizability in a Century or so. (it’s Disciples are much lower) Just like CO$-bots can’t understand Debbie Cook’s KR, many Freezone Squirrels suffer from the same Malady when confronted with Standard Tech.
The Key Point that now requires Resolution is for Freezone Practitioners to be free of any and all future CO$ Harassment (legal and Stalkings).
Sinar, thanks for posting the video. It is a very happy day!
😀 😀 😀
Ziba,
It’s kind of ironic that it was Marty and Mike who made the “safe space” for Debbie to make her debut. IMHO
King Small Balls never saw it coming. LMAOROTF!!!
“For the next twelve hours Debbie was made to stand in a large garbage can and face one hundred people screaming at her demanding a confession as to her “homosexual tendencies”. While this was going on, water was poured over her head. Signs were put around Debbie’s neck, one marked in magic marker “LESBO” while this torture proceeded. Debbie was repeatedly slapped across the face by other women in the room during the interrogation. Debbie never did break.”
This is the activity of the “enlightened”? She must have signed that gag order suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome.
“See how injustice and bad faith ever recoil upon those who are guilty of them.” Napoleon Bonapart
Even Hubbard said injustice always recoils on those who deal in it.
T.O.
Excellent Reference !!!
The above describing an incident at the International Base with the “Leader” of the Church. http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/01/debbie_cook_scientology_enforcer_whistleblower_homophobia.php
I cringe to think of what will become of Karin Pouw.
At the end of the day, common folks will utterly and ultimately realize LRH was not a sociopath. Just the opposite. Red on white will revive.
The little creep, though, is on track for his final and thorough demise. Buh-bye little one.
Hello Larry. I wouldn’t get too hung up on a relatively frivolous turn of phrase. I am glad you are here and communicating. Whatever differences people may have, it is an interest and respect for LRH tech that binds Scientologists together (both inside the church and out) and the collective desire to use it standardly to better ourselves and our fellow man. I see that in you. I see it in Ms Debbie Cook too. I believe she has raised some interesting points and the LRH material she refers to I consider, as a Scientologist, worthy of study. I would love to hear your views, Larry, whatever they may be. 🙂
Marty, I feel this email on the Razzline depicts the sheer stupidity and current mindset of the group. This person is asserting that “LRH and his progress in the 70’s got nowhere and the job was not really getting done until COB took over.” What about the real products when we were all building St Hill Size orgs through the Bday game and getting actual products?
This guy really has the perfect name, Stoner!
Here it is:
From: Tim Stoner [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:52 PM
To: Razzline
Subject: EVERYWHERE: My stable datum for evaluating attacks on Management
When I have a question as to “what’s most important” and “how are things going”, I align confusing data against the stable datum of LRH’s stated Admin Scale for Scientology.
In Scientology LRH established the top level goal of “A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where man is free to rise to greater heights”. Above the level of “get myself personally happy and free”, this is what Scientology is all about. If this goal is not achieved, your personal freedom will be short-lived. This is the big goal for all of us who are on the pro-survival team. This is the mountain which we must not lose sight of.
The Aims of Scientology are achieved by getting effective programs implemented on a truly global scale which bring the wisdom of Scientology and its disenturbulating effects to a large percentage of individuals on the planet, thereby producing an ever increasing sanity and calming effect which reverses the dwindling spiral until the goal of Scientology is achieved and maintained.
How are we doing on this? I have been around since the 70’s. In those years, in terms of achieving those goals, Scientology was like a small struggling business. Fits and starts, some small programs originated towards this goal but nothing that ever created any real significant effect. That’s a fact. if you were not there you can ask someone who was. Sure, a few people got auditing and training in these years, but the above goal to create a new civilization was not even getting scratched.
As opposed to “rumors”, it is a fact easily observed for yourself by comparing the past to the present that in the last 10-15 years we have begun making huge progress in the right direction of getting Scientology and its disenturbulating effects disseminated and more available to the world, for Scientologists and non-Scientologists alike. It is truly like night and day compared to what things were like in the 70s. The Golden Age of Tech. The Golden Age of Knowledge. The Basics. The new Div 6 courses. The website. Online courses. Scientology ads. Human Rights Campaign. The Way to Happiness programs. CCHR and success against psych programs. Narconon. Educational technology. Ideal orgs so that there is not an ugly mest barrier preventing FSMing. And on and on.
If you could calculate a single, cumulative graph which reflected progress towards this top level Scientology goal, that graph took a definite upswing within the last 10 or so years and is now in a very strong affluence.
From the “going nowhere” early years to the present “strongly heading in the right direction with a huge and growing increase in order of magnitude”, this is a management turnaround story.
This is the work of our management team in Scientology. You can tell the intentions of someone or a group by the trend of their products. These products reflect the intention and focus and dedication of “Upper Management” in Scientology, lead by COB.
Could you do this job, or even a better job, on this large of a scale? Not me, that’s for sure. And the job was not really getting done at all until COB took over.
Does that mean that everything is perfect? No. But when you are trying to evaluate “troubles” and/or “rumors”, align those “confusions” to something that you can see for yourself and know is true. The Scientology religion led by COB is finally operating on a level where we actually have the hope and promise that its Aims are being realized, slowly but surely and with growing momentum.
If you hope for a future which reflects the Aims of Scientology, support the current Scientology Management. Anyone acting against a management team that is accomplishing the above successes is not operating on the Scientology Admin Scale topped by the Aims of Scientology as stated by LRH.
As regards any accusations that something is occurring which is off-policy I am no policy expert but its clear that Policy is formulated so as to achieve Purpose. If the Purpose is actually being achieved and someone is saying that the methods being used are “off-policy” this is a suspect and likely “contrary fact” statement which should be regarded with skepticism. Policy should align with achievement of Purpose. Achievement of Purpose naturally reflects valid policy.
Despite these wins above and without granting too much credence to rumors and accusations, its still possible to grant that some things might be improved. With this much pressure and intention, shit is bound to happen now and then. Can you honestly say that you have the wisdom and perseverance and all the other qualities necessary that you could eliminate any rough spots and still get as good a product as is being gotten now? If so, I salute you. Having been a CEO in business for 30 years, I know I couldn’t even come close and I have never run across anyone who I think could. Not to excuse and brush aside things which need improvement, but any such instances must be compared in light of the other plus points in the scene. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is no solution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throw_out_the_baby_with_the_bath_water)
In my opinion, a management team and a “CEO” that works this hard and which is this dedicated and successful in forwarding the Aims of Scientology (as evidenced by the litany of products being gotten) is a godsend, one which should be supported, and one who will not leave unaddressed for long any important issues which impede the success and advance of Scientology.
Attacking this management in order to solve supposed problems is a very PTS and counter-survival action. Instead, maintain your support, your vote of confidence, your tolerance for any rough edges, and your patience. Management will handle anything that needs to be handled, and you know they will not leave the game until the Aims of Scientology are realized. And that is our only hope for the future. I use this as my stable datum regarding attacks and accusations, and I recommend you do also as it is a very correct and pro-survival viewpoint.
Tim Stoner
With all this negative attention on David Miscavige, one has to ask if Scientology celebrities have enough awareness and integrity to oust him in order to save their religion and thus (in their minds), the world?
Celebrities: Is David Miscavige the individual, more important than the world-wide reputation, acceptance and participation in the Scientology religion?
How many good people must come forward against this one man before you awaken?
Propitiation is an ugly thing. Please don’t operate in that tone level.
I`ve nothing to do with Operation Snow White! I`m a simple, fat, spanish guy who lives in Frankfurt/ Germany and loves Scientology and LRH.
but she is talking about the miracles of dianetics – WTF? none for her then?
LOL
so dianetics is…? No disclaimer when it first came out
I love how the Village Voice put the two pics of Mike together. The first while in the Hole and the second in the present. A picture says 1000 words. Great evidence of care provided to the then “face” of Scientology!
Debbie’s experience in the hole…no picture needed.
Sorry to sound dense, but did I miss the connection between Bachmann and RCS? Bachmann is a rabid bible-thumper, and I don’t think she would take kindly to organizations that say things like “Christ is an implant” or whatever the exact LRH quote was from decades ago. How would she advance the agenda of Scientology in any meaningful way? I know that she talks about “abolishing” the IRS but that hasn’t happened in 100 years… That’s all I can think of. Again, sorry if I missed the connection and everyone else knows about it.
Worsel, only for you put the last comment from him in the blog. Slightly corrected. http://kommrein.wordpress.com/2011/12/07/eine-nachricht-an-jene-im-dept-20rtc-die-aussteigen-wollen/#comments
Duck Season! 😀
My god, I can not believe what I read here the last 4 days.
You say the church is dead?
Well, dead is 0.0 on the tone scale.
The OSA guys are going into Blame, -1.0
David Miscavige is probably between Hiding -8.0 to total Failure -40.0
His most uptone state is no higher than Controlling Bodies -1.5
The church is dead since long, it is now down in hiding toward total failure at rocket speed.
Seconded!
The groundwork has been laid and Debbie has a full support system in place. It would have been a very different matter a year or two ago. We’re a team whether Debbie realizes it or not. My hope is that she knows it because if that’s the case, she’s playing a very clever game.
LOL!! Perfect!!
Nice to see you here Mr Hawkins.
I loved reading your book BTW.
Love.
Thanks Snow White for such a memorable and hilarious moment. You’ve made the little anti-social one proud.
Heck, you might even get one of those Freedom Medals like Tom Cruise.
POB loves boot lickers. You’re the best………..
And I do include Anonymous, Ex-Scientologists, Freezoners and people like Tony Ortega among those who have made it safe – not just the Indies. We’ve all gotten to where we are and somehow managed to work towards the same goals despite all our differences. No small feat considering how violently we disagree on so many issues! LOL
Z,
Long time no hear. Your Observation on the existing scene is well received, I am not surprised by the response on being a Marty and Mike.
I had to laugh on the comment of being on the Chaplain’s lines about this. And actually I was shocked that there is still a Chaplain posted in any org, nevertheless that Chaplain we all know is the worst dupe of all dupes.
It relates to a comment that Debbie Cook should have reported the matter to the Int Justice Chief (IJC) who is the safe keeper of the C of S.
WE know this is is all a lie.
But I agree confront is settling in at this moment with a 2 division TAA per hr – up from 0.5 TAA per hour.
Snow White is even funner when Tigger to come out and play 😉
(yes – ‘funner’ not ‘funnier’ – valid per the urban dictionary)
Oops! Late night typos – my grammar is starting to sound like Snow White’s!
++1
I explored the world of corporate Scientologists on FB due to DC’s profile and noticed a big trend of kool-aid drinkers very gung ho for Ron Paul. Interesting since aside from a portion of the libertarian wing most of his supporters come from an extreme wing nut portion of the republican party – the John Birchers of the previous generation. Funny because I can’t imagine the idealistic scientologists of the 1960’s being died in the wool Birchers.
I give Paul a few points on having some good ideas and courage on a few issues, but he has such utterly disgusting, racist, conspiracy orientated ideas on so many others I can’t take him seriously. Unfortunately what I consider his dark side seems to hold the most appeal for the largest part of his supporters. Funny the Ron Paul, cooking, big Pharma evils and very occasionaly quoting LRH seem to be the only subject CoS members can safely post about on FB. Very boring.
“Woof-woof. Not bang-bang”
🙂
Well then, FLUNK!
Go back and re-read KSW 1. Find your words. Do reach & wirhdraw on it. Put all 10 points in clay! FDS the subject, ask How could it be that way, How could it not be that way to E.P.! Then re-read it again!
START.
Good Point, Tom.
Marty and Mike really have been “Safepointing” the planet for Scientologists.
Great way to look at it and totally true!
Miss Cabbige’s version/vision of the world and mankind. He’s a classic sociopath.
Bozz, I STILL say it is David that Ron was talking about in K.S.W. #1. I also have had that thought.
Karen, what really flips me out, is that when YOU, Mike, Marty, Debbie just to name a couple of people, but you 4 were people I really SAW and liked and admired, and I almost fainted when I learned all of you walked out of the church. I had to re-think life for a minute, thinking how can this be? Especially you my favorite Class XII and Debbie Cook the beautiful Captain FSO. Every person I love is delcared by the church!? Yet inside the church remain the “honest” people, like the one who stole my mail from LRH and hid it in his underwear and snuck out the front door of the org with it?! I am laughing as I say that, but you know it is true! 🙂 That is the kind people the church supports, people that LRH’s own mail to his friends! Unbelievable!
Dear Mike,
When you write: “The followers of L. Ron Hubbard will not tolerate his blatant off-policy, out-tech, anti-LRH actions forever.”
Do you really think a lot of current Scientologists are true to LRH?
DM has been very effective in kicking out a lot of LRH followers, auditors, c/s and exec trained with LRH.
I have read somewhere than 96% of the original Saint-Hill staff have been declared or expelled.
A lot of new staff members, young teenagers with no real education, never knew LRH.
All they have seen during their youth, is DM bragging at event.
Even old staff members reactions are shocking.
To give an example: during my last DofP interview I got asked if I did the student hat; yes, 3 times I answered, my last exam I got 90% correct answer. Check me out !
DofP: But you didn’t do the student certainty blablabla?
Me: Well, I did LRH check-sheet back in 1978 and I know my study tech!
DofP: But you have not learn all the drill verbatim?
Where have you been the last 10 years?
Scientology is not like 10 or 20 years ago.
This is a new era, we are now delivering real standard tech!
—
All this during a DofP interview.
All this coming from an old timer I know since nearly 30 years.
I was in shock.
—
When I look at all this mess, Debbie: 17 years Captain FSO (you know better than me you’ve got to be good to stay on this post for more than 880 weeks.)
She only quote LRH and the people who knows her, worked with her for many years now treating her a squirrel?
29 years in the SO? OEC/FEBC, auditor, C/S?
SHE is the SQUIRREL?
You write “they don’t have the choice”
They must do what they are told to do by DM or they are history.
And no one can just stand up and say:
Hey Mr Miscavige, we have enough cleaning your mess.
Evidence of your crimes are all over the NET.
The entire world know about it and you have completely ruined the reputation of Scientology and LRH.
You are relief of your command.
Please step aside and you are getting a comm-ev.
So no one can put ethics in on this little fucker?
I am sorry for all this ranting. I feel a little better writing all this.
Interesting.
The corporation is enamored with wingnuts.
I absolutely thought the above SW post was another witty sarcastic post. I’m floored it is a literal, actual response from a DM apologist. Seriously, this is evidence of the type of thinking the expert try to find examples of when trying to understand and explain the thinking of cult members. I don’t think I’ve read such a desperate attempt at rationalization since the Nuremberg trial transcripts in college.
Where’s Herber & Mithoff?
Duh, you put away the olds in the hole when they become unsightly. Fuck’em, why the did they get old?? COB didn’t tell them to age so it’s obviously counter intention! Empty buildings, ha! You just aren’t a good enough bot to see all the thetans hard at work around you getting DM’s mega expansion done!
The absolutely atrocious spelling (even with the spellchecker right here in the text box which means they couldn’t even spell correctly with computer aid) and grammar show DM now relies on uneducated drop outs like himself to forward PR lines. We know COB is terrified of having anyone smarter than himself on lines and that’s why he’s now surrounded by ass-kissing yes men on his sinking ship, but that post is showcasing stupidity on an until now unseen level.
You can smack these clowns right in the face with B&W LRH reference on the subject, yet they prefer attempting bizarre flights of insane rationalizations to make COB right rather than accept the simple truth in front of them. (Last I checked Scientologists were supposed to follow LRHs writings, but it’s obvious in the COS now you are only supposed to follow LRH via DM provided interpretations. Soon it will be counter intention to read LRH by youself, a DM guide will need to stand over you to ensure you understand it the “correct” way because only SPs would try to think for themselves.)
I think I can do DM’s next ad campaign with perfect duplication of his goal: Corporate Scientology – Freedom from Thinking
“relax, we do your thinking for you”
Yes, a live illustration of Kool Aid drinkers.
Expect them by email. This blog does not work for DM.
I know
John P
+1
Marty,
Tim Stoner is the biggest single cash donor to the Seattle Ideal Org.
Tony DePhillips and others will confirm that he has donated at least three million dollars specifically to that cause.
He has three million glasses of koolaid in him.
two thumbs up tom
Marty, Where is Tommy Davis? I can’t be the only one who noticed his absence in all of this.
In hiding.
yes, so true !
that was cruel man!!!
but frikkin hilarious!
😀
Go Worsel!
Great point.
man you are tied up as the funniest one with Worsel.
is thi saturday night live on a wednsday?
+10!!!
Bottoms up!
He wants so spit on her and call her a stupid bitch? Holy cow, he should be appointed as an RTC rep immediately!!!
Thread Hijacker.
You’re telling me! That’s exactly what I thought as I was reading down the comments. To go from Kool Aid drinkers in previous posts to the CIA and MK Ultra in this post , man! If case anyone missed it, the phrase wasn’t even mentioned in this post.
Marty, I wish you’d ban him. It’s entheta on two fronts:
1. The train of thoughts of his comments are psychotic.
2. Do we really need a DM rep posting comments here?
We in the Religious Technology Center know that only a Scientology New World Order led by COB RTC David Miscavige can save this planet as it hangs by a string over a nightmarish psychiatric hell full of implants, suppression, nuclear bombs, radiation, and worse.
We are in RTC are disappointed that a former WDC ABLE should be fixated on the definition of Kool-Aid, for it shows that he does not know how to do basic word clearing. Furthermore, his repeated references to Jonestown makes us wonder if an OSA rogue allowed Brynes to examine the OSA Int Archives where there is a room full of file cabinets of data about Jonestown.
OSA carefully researched Jonestown as Scientology suspected that this was a plot to depopularize cults. Scientology is offended because we are most definitely not a cult:
* Just because we have seances at Int Base does not make us a cult.
* Just because we publicly read confessions of masturbation at Int Base musters does not make us a cult. It is not that we are fixated on masturbation or sex; it is rather that WDC Chairman and ED Int have been hiding their homosexual affair and only the keen perception of COB RTC has seen through their lurid 1.1 activities aimed at destroying the Scientology religion. COB does not engage in out 2D behaviors and seriously deals with 1.1’s and out 2D using, for example, his “trash can humiliation/water torture” technique as was COB ordered used on former Captain Debbie Cook. We in RTC applaud COB’s effective handling of all out ethics situations. Musical chairs really impinged.
* Tom Cruise went to the US State Dept and said that Scientology is not a cult. John Travolta did the same thing, If these movie star OT’s say that Scientology is not a cult, then Scientology is not a cult. To this point, Tom Cruise stops at the scenes of accidents to help because he is the only one who can help. A “cult member” would not stop at the scene of an accident to help.
get outahere!
no-one would make such an utter and complete fool of himself no matter how insane he is. come on is it you thoughtful? or is it Mike?
you guys are hilarious!!
pull the other one… it has got bells on!
He is a healthy reminder from time to time; plus some find it quite entertaining.
got my vote!
Sam, an excellent insight. As much difference of opinion as there is between all of the groups and individuals that you mention, DM has managed to unify all of them – in opposition to him!!
Now he’s working his “magic” on the few remaining members of the Church.
not in the sand dear
Thanks for the definition. CeoComp wrote: “This entheta term is inappropriate in referring to Scientologists or anyone who is dedicatedly working in the cause of freedom.”
CeoComp needs to clear the word “Scientologist”. Unfortunately there has been a lot of confusion surrounding the term, and false assumption made by people who listen and don’t look that people “in good standing” = Scientologists.
CeoComp, you’re smooth in your confusion of generalities and conspiracy theories — so much so, you appear to be distracted and are missing the fly on your own nose.
Here’s another guess, just shooting off the hip: The reason you asked about the times of postings on this blog is because you aqree trying to decipher some of the screennames — possibly to launch some kind of ops against them.
And BTW … the Medical Association has made some phenomenal progress in the name of Intelligent Life to fix and address carbon oxygen machines (the human body). So Doctors are not all evill and bad, nor is the CIA (despite misguided projects and some evil control) the Boogie Man.
Nor does bandying around some generality evil Boogie Man justify the heinous robotism within membership of what Corporate Scientology has been dumbed down to. There are more Scientologists outside the Corporate Church than inside — because those inside and under the thumb of a puppet master on an arbitray agenda that gives orders AGAINST LRH policy, the Creed of Scientology and The Auditor’s Code.
You are all steel, but no Superman.
Drinking KoolAid means — someone tells the lemming to not talk to someone, or to commit a crime against self or tohers, and they obey, no questions asked. Come on out of the “literal” zone and step into the conceptual, the ability to look and reason.
There is a phenomenon called “Broadening” in grammar and language. It is the process by which the meaning of a word becomes broader or more inclusive than its earlier meaning.
brian i did not know this cruel trait of yours.
be nicer to the poor fella… that shit’s really paynful!
Am I the only one that caught the Freudian Slip of Karin Pouw?
In response, a spokesman dismissed cook as a “disgruntled defector.”
“Ms. Cook’s opinions reflect a small, ignorant and unenlightened view of the world of Scientology today,” spokeswoman Karin Pouw wrote to On Deadline. “They are not shared by the thousands of Scientologists who are overjoyed by our 27 new Churches and what they mean to the communities they serve.”
Pouw also added that calling Cook a “prominent Scientology insider” is “inaccurate,” as she is merely “‘a disgruntled defector’ who has not had any position in the Church for several years, having left in 2007 for medical reasons.”
She said thousands???? Not 10’s of thousands or millions. This rare slip of truth also reveals the truth about what is important to those few thousand Scientologists left, CHURCHES???? It is all about the big shiny buildings.
David Miscavige genuinely believes he is the “only one” who can save the world. He is sniffling over his own self-appointed nobility, the poor guy. No Sea Org member, not even L. Ron Hubbard is a great as Miscavige is. They messed up all over the place! Nobody gets him. He’s smashing all this just to save the world, by gummit. It’s all these evil degraded beings out here and who have given their lives to a shared vision with Hubard, that people are basically good (ha! just a lie to trick people!) who don’t understand how great he his. That’s how he thinks. Yes, even Tom Cruise doesn’t totally get how great I am. he sighed into his Scotch. If he did, he would have bought his super toys with money fleeced from members for the purpose of saving the world. ::sniffle:: Cruise can be forgiven, however. I’ll tolerate him. After all, he makes Miscavige look cool… not even the Pope in Rome has his very own Hollywood celebrity pet (whose specialty is making movies that he can look cool in and save the world).
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Great post. Although it is true that the definition of “Koolaide drinker” has expanded somewhat since Jonestown, you definitely sound like someone who is aware, kind of like that scene in “They LIve” where the “formaldahyde face” starts speaking into her wrist watch communicator … “We have one who can see!”
Interestingly enough, it seems to be the ones who drink the most Koolaide of all that accuse everybody else of being a Koolaide drinker. To me, far more interesting than drinking the Koolaide is catatonic brainfart. For example, bring up the subject of 9-11 as an inside job with your average true believer Repukelicans and you will see eyes glaze over, ears shutting down (as evidenced by body language), a disgusting smirk, followed by the repeating of some horsesh!+istic debunker spew and/or total irrational anger. You will get the same reaction from some within the Cof$ if you attempt to point out anything is wrong with Cof$ management.
Pete
To the so -called “celebrities” of Radical Scientology (note: some of whom such as Jenna Elfman, Tom Cruise, etc. are volunteer “Spies” on the Official OSA Office of Special Affairs roster) , it all funnels into the party line put out. Drum Roll. Here it is>> that the reason David Miscavige is getting attacked is because he’s so great, and he’s winning and making so much progress — hence all the loyal, brilliant, competent people, the highest executives and artists who contributed the most to actual Scientology (not to be confused with empty real estate and over a billion $ hoarded) are out to get him.
Of course that doesn’t make sense! Insanity never does!
Yes, the “celebrities” drink the Kool Aid. And no, drinking Kool Aid is not a “CIA plot”. If anyone is behaving in the bad ways any government agency ever did it is OSA under the direction of David Miscavige. They are smack dab in the valence of criminal tactics: third party, manipulation, balckmail, stalking, you name it.
The sheeplings believe what they are told, they do not look. The “celebritie$” (translation: anyone with loads of money) get to be big guys on campus, they are drunk on the sycophancy poured on them as fake admiration.
Never mind that it’s hundreds of thousands of people blowing the whistle. Never mind that it’s people who have far more value than an inflated paycheck “earned” duping people with stupid schlock, or via some snazzy investment scheme that produces no product. Never mind that this centralized demographic of whistle-blowers waving red flags and citing LRH policy starting with Marty Rathbun’s blog and the justice it is giving thousands are people who truly love Scientology, its founder Hubbard, and Auditing, original and pure — the actual foundation activity of Scientology without which it is not Scientology!
+1000
Sam, your observation is really true. The differences are such that the folks you name cannot be considered one group at all, but somehow we are helping each other move forward.
Tim Stoner is one deluded guy up to his neck in Kool-aid
It is a great shame that many of those than remain in the Church of Scientology failed to understand and apply the fundamental technology of computations and service facsimiles. You get the idea some of the Kool Aid drinkers are going make-wrong and “escape domination” by being right about Corporate Scientology. Though many are OTs, they show an amazing inability to move out of fixed conditions and will no doubt protect their charred, tiny clinker of a nothingness church to its and their sad and very noble end. A number are already sadly noble about Debbie’s email with their ser facs the only thing doing the confronting.
Meanwhile, the world turns and others adapt to knew situations and apply LRH’s tech to actually help some people.
I initially did not understand the earlier blogs of Marty’s and Steve Hall’s and so added things up erroneously (and I had not had enough info or time to destim from all the drilled in, almost implanted information one gets in Scn to the point that you can not be exterior to it).
I do know that I errored and while I am happy now as a Christian and have come full circle, I have to say I still want Scn to be what was initially intended (to free Beings). That may not be realistic, but I hope so for all the good Beings that earnestly have that purpose and drive.
I cried when I found out what happened to Debbie Cook. I was in the FSO for awhile and while it had already become “DMed” by then, Debbie I have always known to be the real thing as I saw her up close and in action and she cared about all the staff there alot and the public.
Bravo Debbie, I love what you are doing and even though I do not have any further desire to do Scn services, I do know that the Tech as originally written did work and was amazing. I do think though that later materials implant one with lies and it is a smoke screen org that is a money making machine (for real) and is intentionally now a theta trap for the last free Beings to be rounded up and screwed up. DM sold everyone down the river and I mean EVERYONE. He has been running fair games conditions and other evils for yrs as I did not agree to his demands to perjur myself at a trial. I won’t do it because it is wrong.
Anyhow, sooo well done Debbie Cook, I knew you were one of the “good guys
Sam, speaking of popcorn, if I told you how much it cost me for popcorn at the theatre for me and my friend to go see 1 film {not counting the $29.00 for his and my theater ticket} it would send you running back to RCS! 🙂 So, I am going to tell you it cost $14.00 for 2 POPCORNS at the theater. I almost went into whole track amnesia! 🙂 Never are we going to buy popcorn in that theater again. But, keep the cheap popcorn handy they always say! 🙂
Agreed Marty. If this is actually true, and not a joke, it is disturbing.
I loved this line: “Management will handle anything that needs to be handled”. The beautiful ‘no responsibility’, someone else will handle it, COB has it all figured out so I can just sit back and wait for management to solve it. My only responsibility is to flow him money.
Compare that to Debbie’s email, where I think she points out it is OUR responsibility. That is KSW in practice, each of us keeps KSW in and not depend on a Messiah to make it all right.
Tom Price
Exactly. The biggest shock to most people who actually walked for good from the RCS (Radical Corporate Scientology) church after years of loyal service yet grappling with noted outpoints and attacks against them when they communicated severe outpoints on proper channels and per policy was just that realization, Carol! The biggest Squirrel of all calling others squirrrels! lol
Why not use proper lines to correct the outpoints?? Here’s why: Because when the Fox is in the chicken coop, you don’t want to keep sending the chickens in to be protected and sorted out. It starts becoming damn clear when they come out roasted and fried and devoured for trying to correct outnesses or for asking others to look if there’s a Fox around somewhere. The Fox is dressed up like Chicken Little (RTC) and slyly sitting in the chicken coop!!
I personally think Deborah Cook is aware of that. She doesn’t need to declare herself an Independent. It would only confuse issues. She is standing up as herself. Isn’t that what most everyone did before they found others out here? After years of thinking (from attempted brainwashing and introversion techniques) that there was something wrong with himself or herself, that e or she were the only ones who had these troubles or observations? That choice was made as integrity per the Code of Honor … most everyone made that choice alone, and being willing to have it stay that way to do the right thing! and then, affinity and theta rule, and people found each other, and Marty Rathbun started this blog not know what would happen, but sure of the next step that was simply the right thing to do.
All Debbie Cooks needs to do is be true to herself, and because of what she loves, genuinely and truly, helping others, and using the unadulterated tech of Scientology, and what she has under her belt: decades of loyal service, well, that defines what she is. Changing the label on a clay demo doesn’t change the reality if one just looks at the clay!
The ventriloquist David Miscavige can make Karen KaPOW’s mouth move to burp the word “Squirrel”….but that don’t make it so.:) The Radical Corporate Church has cried “Squirrel” one too many times.
Cook is standing up as “a member in good standing” without any group think. She is standing up as an INDIVIDUAL. Which is what people are, first and foremost. Groups are allies. They don’t define the individual, nor should they dictate or oppress individuals.. That’s cross purposes. A group is defined and created to protect the individuals who form it to further a common purpose and vision.
For that matter, ultimately this whole thing is a gift. Know yourself! That was the journey. That is the journey. Without the need of self-importance, look! And let them burp “Squirrel” and cry “Squirrel” and wrong target, and blame Marty, and blame dsigruntled apostates and phosphates and watergates when someone just wants to know why L. Ron Hubbard’s words aren’t good enough for the self-appointed Head pretending to lead people who like L Ron Hubbard.
RESPONSIBILITY: “The nonrecognition and denial of the right of intervention between oneself and any being, idea, matter, energy, space, time or form, and the assumption of full right of determination over it.” (LRH)
Ultimately, those who are looking don’t delegate to anyone the job of knowing who they are, let alone to tell them who and what they are. That goes on big time behind the Walls of Corporate Church, the control operation holding out the carrot “Operating Cause”.
Deborah Cook and so many others are CAUSE, i.e. responsible.
“Full responsibility is not fault; it is recognition of being cause.” (L. Ron Hubbard)
I am happy. and I am happy that you and you and you and you are happy!! 🙂 😀 and there is nothing more beautiful than the justice of restored faith in what one loved with their soul.
I get tired of theetie wheeties or pts’ who get so offended with labels that are true-like an SP, a1.1 etc. These are the last people I would have as a guide in a jungle as they would rather have me be bitten by a poisonous snake than label them as such, because its not NICE to say things like that. Give me a break!
Nothing said.
You make a good point. I found myself feeling enturbulated when I was reading his psychotic comments. That rarely happens to me.
One good thing though, he’s come out and shown where he’s really at.
Yikes!
I wonder if this will come up in the next issue of Freedumbmag.org.
What are they going to do? Vilify her? What a question! That IS standard practice now a days. First they are superstars to the world of Scientology and then they clash with DM and become demon SPs that “failed at their ecclesiastical duties” and “had to be removed from their positions of authority”. Classic now. DM has become too predictable.
Mrinder predicted Debbie would be called a squirrel and there it is.
Marty predicted he would hack in he account and bang. Done.
Other predictions: PIs on her 24/7. Declare SP, Disconections, Debbie feeling pressed to talk to the media? I don`t know but this seems to be the cycle a lot of the prominent wistle blowers seem to go through.
I`m just saying.
DM’s Fantasy: To be the last cockroach left on Planet Earth . . . . “I’m finally safe”.
Well said-plus I like the word gobsmacked.
Sam-it is sooooo over.
Tim your “Purpose and Policy” argument totally fails because the purpose of Scientology is NOT being achieved by the Church, under COB. Quite the opposite, it is being actively thwarted by those that are supposed to be achieving it. It’s not “rough edges” – it is active squirreling of LRH as a main line activity. Sorry, but that is the way it is…you just don’t see or don’t want to.
The seemingly deliberate not-knowness of your statements about Ron Paul is astounding. You seem to have swallowed, as if Kool-Aid, the smears of the warmongers and establishment media, without any independent examination of the facts.
Disagree please with the RCS, but it makes perfect sense that any Scientologist would be a supporter of Ron Paul, as he is: (1) the leading modern proponent of the LRH-aligned and Constitutional principles of individual liberty and personal responsibility, (2) the leading voice calling for ending of the Federal Reseve’s system of fiat currency that is bankrupting us all (a practice warned against by LRH), (3) the only candidate in the race who is not proven by word or by action to be a warmonger.
It is impossible to answer your charges specifically, as you didn’t make any — you spoke only in generalities and innuendos. But you said “racist”, so I will answer that with a video interview of an African-American man in a spot called “The Compassion of Dr. Ron Paul”: http://youtu.be/8Rv0Z5SNrF4 (If Marty needs to edit out the link, you can go to YouTube and search.) If you choose not to view the video, I can simply tell you it is the powerful and moving testimony of a man who could not find treatment for his wife, as they were in a mixed marriage, until Ron Paul stepped up to treat her.
Not a racist whatsoever. His only agenda concerning race is to advocate, as Dr. Martin Luther King said, a person should “be judged by the content of his character, not by the color of his skin”.
+1
I just can’t help but notice how Stoner and Snow White have the same viewpoint; hell with policy – we can do whatever we want as long as “it’s achieving our aims”. Real Hitlerism here.
Steve-I love your mind-hilarious!!!
I like improper lines-alot more fun!
Bryan, very well said..
Some people are twisting in the wind in pain right now, choking down the fact that they have been duped. It can be a painful process.
Bryan you are an artist with words as well as with the brush.
wow Mike!!
I admire your logic and calm under fire.
There are, on occasion, a few great thinkers and doers in the world and you are certainly one of the best around. I’m glad you are on our side.
It is true the biggest change is coming from us-we are the main ones handling our own dirty laundry-there is a big ball coming down a mountain gaining speed and size very quickly headed straight for the correct target.
Snowhite you are an idiot.
Debbie Cook ran the “mecca of thechnical perfection” for 17 years!!
She should be your hero and you turn on her like the rabid dog that you are.
What have YOU done to help Scientology?? I’ll bet nothing.
You writing these smug little comments doesn’t do shit to help the philosophy. Instead you make Scientologists look like morons.
Kool aid drinkers?? Yeah you betcha!! Snowhite is chugging that stuff like a bum at a frat party.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Keep it up Bryan, I ‘m loving it!!
Not sure it’s necessary to say this, but I am an independent, not an RCS-er. When I said it makes perfect sense for any Scientologist to be for Ron Paul, I meant “any” Scientologist, not “every” Scientologist — I’m not looking for group think here; and I meant “any”, as in Indie or not, as we are simply talking about freedom — at the very core of Scientology.
And the correct MLK quote is, “…not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character”. Sorry about the misquote, but the meaning is the same. And, no, I’m not comparing Ron Paul to MLK, although they are both champions of freedom.
People that think the cult will “handle itself from within” are deluded.
Hasn’t it BEEN handling itself from within for over 20 years?????
And this is where it’s got??!
The handle form within is a HUGE FAIL!! FLUNK!!
Bypass habits and normal routines….
Knock that midget off his perch, then you MIGHT see some changes..
OS — Yeah and that’s why I keep harping on the “Ideal Orgs” as POB has convinced his sheeple that Ideal Orgs = expansion = achieving the aims. It’s a sick joke. Ironically, the only way that POB could be said to be achieving the aims of anyone would be if he was trying to accumulate wealth and real estate as a product — sort of like the “banksters” that Larry keeps talking about.
Ingrid — thing is the poisonous snake doesnt like to be labeled as it prevents him from reaching his victims. Larry was all offended about people being called KoolAid drinkers mostly because he is a full time guzzler!
Thanks annegreth, just read it. But this one here tops it by far.
Speaking of TC he’s being run into the ground on here
http://www.celebitchy.com/200449/scientology_higher-up_denounces_their_fundraising_practices_in_mass_e-mail/
so even if he trys to stay distant from this he’s being included anyways.
The enemy of your enemy is not your enemy.”
Sun Tshow
If you love Scientology and LRH, why are you following DM? That is all it comes down to: are you following LRH or are you following DM? They are polar opposites, so make up your mind. Apparently you are unable to see similarities, differences and identities. As are everyone else who are still supporting DM. You have lost (or never had) some of the earliest and most basic LRH teachings: Infinity-Valued Logic, The Logics. You still see in black and white and A still equals A.
Some comic relief…
Exactly.
This is a Scientology-based Blog, and if any LRH offends anyone, they are probably better off playing over here —> http://disney.go.com/
While I find the Reference “Cool-Aid” Drinker somewhat inappropriate entirely because of some earlier Connotations which still come to Mind, it’s most definitely not out of Line.
I had direct contact with Ken and his wife in the mid-80’s. Really good people.
POB has squandered the real wealth of Scientology, by altering the tech and offloading virtually everyone who ever worked with LRH. How many staff have left? How many are even left?
POB has a billion dollars but the little miser won’t part with a cent! What could be accoplished with a billion dollars? Well it won’t be. The oracle of Pittsburg is too facinated with the money to put it to use.
Starve the staff to amass even more, squeeze the public, and beat the officers if they don’t comply. this is sheer lunacy.
My take on Larry is, that he’s been reading this blog for a while and knows what’s going on. He’s supported Corporate Scientology for too long. (As, let’s face it, most of us did, including Debbie!)
As far as I’m concerned, that doesn’t mean we/he « drunk the cool aid », it just means we/he justified it. Like, Larry seems to justify radical Scientology with it being a stronghold against the powers that be, that, let’s face it, didn’t accept LRH with open arms and WON’T accept Indipendents with open arms, once they gather more speed. (As you might guess, this was one of my own justifications, too. )
I think that if DM asks Larry to up his IAS-status today, he’ll say NOPE !
Product of 2012: Scientologists wouldn’t even *think* of bringing friends and family into Scientology orgs, for fear of their being financially raped.
Product of 1970s: Scientologists actively bringing their friends and family into Scientology missions/orgs, with the results of improved lives.
Yeah, quite the “turnaround” Tim Stoner. To LRH, the universal solvent was communication. To Miscavige, the universal solvent is mest.
Funny you should mention Mr I’m A Dinner Jacket in Iran. He’s being condemned by the same dynamic that’s bringing down the little self-styled Napoleon: the Internet. They simply can’t stop the flow of communication; the flow of truth.
The question now with Miscaviage is how hard he’ll hang on to power. Personally, I think he’s a coward so if given the choice of death or taking the money and running, I see him choosing the desert island. I wish I could see the look on Jenny Linson’s face when her beloved leader abandons them all with the cash.
That’s true. And so great!
Nice illustration.
🙂
Aha!—Thanks for calling it John! (truth!)
Re: Your criticism of the term ‘Kool-Aid Drinkers” –
Please note the Church’s repeated public statements of those that insist on KSW – to refer to such people as ‘Squirrels’…. ‘The overt doth speaketh loud in accusation’…
For the Church to refer to Debbie as ‘disaffected’ (such a lovely word ! ) – Definition : ‘Those Members of the Church of Scientology who took a stand to no longer compromise their own integrity – and who objected to, or questioned the status quo.’ –
And – if Debbie is now referred to as a ‘Squirrel’ by the Church – whilst at the same time she clearly quotes LRH – to indicate the glaring outpoints’ – that should be questioned, and that should be objected to, and that should be corrected – then what?
If one operates from a position of ‘follow the orders’ – and have been trained to ‘see no evil, speak no evil, think no evil, and write no evil’ – then you have created a ‘flock’ that is blind, deaf and dumb’ – known as ‘followers’ and not ‘leaders’.
If Debbie is then pointed out as ‘a squirrel’ – and out of step with reality – is that then not a glaring indication to those with two brain cells left to clap together – that what LRH said and is saying – no longer matters. For ‘the flock’ – to do otherwise, to think otherwise – and be given the label of that lovely word ‘disaffected’ – would be too terrible to contemplate – thus the ‘flock’ stay focussed and follow ‘the leader’.- and thus done so – sip the Kool Aid and pass it around.
Nice try Davey,
Someone as twisted as Snowhite would never give us a clue as to his identity; misdirectors galore!
…..hey!! you forgot FRANCE!!!!
Debbie’s message is now translated into French and sent to hundreds of Scientologists in FRANCE.
REGIS MARTINEZ from FRANCE
Hell hath no fury like a withhold missed…..
What are the odds DM and TC were clandestine lovers?
T.O.—- Thanks for more “Oracular” insights!—-Li’ll bit
He—-HAS to be, surely!
Accurate analogy, Ingrid and it’s really sad that, those who
really need to wake up FAST, before it hits them,—-won’t!
Dear Margaret,
What a great reference and wise words from LRH. Thank you for posting this.
If LRH would have answer Debbie that would be something like the following.
Here are the words of L.Ron Hubbard (I only replaced the journalist name by “Debbie Cook”.)
—
“Debbie Cook is a great thinker, a searching critic of things in her field. I have no faintest wish to attack her. The world needs their Debbie Cook.
“I was opposed to the abuses she mentions and I believe they were all removed some years ago.
“So for the sake of ‘controversy’ and ‘lets you and him fight’ I am hardly likely to attack a woman for whom I have great respect. She is perfectly entitled to her views and to express them.
“Her challenge, however, raises many points of interest in Scientology and its general situation across the world.
…
“Scientologists only want a safer planet for Mankind. To do this Scientologists are always looking for ways to improve their organizations so that they can give even better service to the public.
“Outright lies and false accusations are not something that can be corrected. But honest and valid criticism is always welcome because it helps a lot of good people to do a better job.
“As a famous celebrity, a pal of mine for years, once said, ‘If only people would criticize more and honestly and to the point! I feel when they don’t they are not my friends.’
“So I count Debbie Cook as a friend of mine. Whatever she writes she is trying to make things go right, just like the Scientologists.”
– LRH. from original answer to William Burroughs, 1 August 1970.
I have word cleared Snow Whites retort and have actually cognited on what she is trying to say. She is saying; lets get the snow on the road.
I think you should keep your political opinions off the blog Sunny as it’s also clouding the main point here support of Debbie. Let’s just stay focused on one person whose mid a character assasination at a time before launching in to another…
the above statement by me was to Sunny. Bob thank you for putting some actual sanity in on the discussion – can we get back to Debbie ? ?
There are a handful of CoM appointed shills trying to “D.A.” Debbie on the USA Today forum. Doing a REALLY bad job of it too. DM never runs out of foot bullet ammo.
LOL
A message from Boethius:
“Many paths, but one the end.
For naught lasts, unless it turns
Backward in its course, and yearns
To that Source to flow again
Whence its being first was ta’en.”
GMW
SnowedWhite, ROFLMAO!
How many bottles of liquor did you down while typing that? Either that or, English is your 5th language…
I belive the opposite.
David Miscavige does not believe that anyone can or should do something about the world, that’s why it’s absolutly OK to mess up LRH’s legacy and make some buck$.
Your only responsibility is to GIVE some money.
The more you give, the more responsible you are.
$ 3 million make it quite impossible to admit that you could be wrong.
Tim Stoner, go ask how many auditors were made in your local org.
Compare this stat with one from the 80 (pre Golden Age of Tech era).
Aks some classified auditors how they felt when they had to redo their training although they had very well done auditing hours and no gross auditing errors.
Go to the website “Friends of LRH”
http://www.FriendsOfLRH.org/
Stop being open minded to interpretations and verbal data. Use your common sense. Use study tech.
‘so dianetics is….?’ Yes, you guessed it; unworkable over a PTS sit of that magnitude.
Do your homework or go back to the Dagobah system.
All these stories about cancer-deaths, skin diseases and the lot … Has anyone ever had the clever idea to run a Geiger counter on all these bases and the boat?
I predict that John Allander and the rest of the squirrel buster crew will be sent out to harass Debbie. This is based simply on two observations.
1) DM does not learn from his mistakes.
2) Allander will do anything for money.
+ 10
Thanks Tony DePhillips
Her move was excellent. The truth contained in your blog is self speaking.
If she brings about a change from within the organization, I’d be glad.
At least it will open more eyes than any other single action.
The average Scientologist do not use the internet to collect/compare data.
She knows that.
Scientologist who are against you or Mike Rinder are of that mind because all the data they have comes from the “freedom” mag and other propaganda.
If I wouldn’t like Mike Rinder in the first place, I never would look for him on the internet. My ARC to him opened my eyes.
So what will the outcome be, when Debbie Cook writes a Wake Up Call as she did.
What will Scientologist do?
It’s hard to predict the outcome.
It’s a new situation.
Let’s see how online Scientologist will buy the Dead Agenting procedure which now evolves.
Watch the stats (blog visits).
I would like if he put the below video in there instead of the second picture 🙂
TroubleShooter, your right. And Fraternal groups for hundreds of years have sought to keep talk of religion and politics out of their lodges to keep the peace as both areas are charged with opinion and emotion and can lead to dissension and the demise of the group. Since this blog includes religious discussion by its nature, its already a charged forum. Political issues would break it, in my opinion. Good call by you for many reasons.
One bottle of the finest Irish Scotch + one high school dropout + one email from Debbie + tons of shit in the pants = a psychotic reaction of Snowhite.
Tim: You are evaluating “success” based on one thing only: Lovely buildings. You are not able to evaluate “success” any other way because the true stats of Scientology (WDAH, Auditors Trained, PRPS, Raw Book Sales, etc.) are not available to the public. There is one place you can look that will give you a hint how bad the stats are: Your local Org Magazine. If you can, get a copy of the last NY Org Magazine. Keep in mind NY Org is both “Ideal” and “St Hill Size”. If I’m not mistake there were no auditors made and perhaps only one or two Academy comps. Also very few major Grade Chart comps. I’d bet my mortgage money the true is the same for all the other “Ideal” Orgs.
The overal stats today may be comparable to thirty years ago. I don’t know but I do know current actual VFPs are near non existent but how Scientology is viewed by the general public has got to be at an all time highest ever negative.
Most forget but the infamous Time Magazine article was on DMs watch and concerned, guess what? Money and insane regging.
The proper line attack is self defeating. Any doubt announcement is per definition done publicly to both sides. An email to all her contacts announcing adherence to LHR Tech and denouncing those who are out Tech is by far the best way to reach both sides and thus the proper line.
This is very, very true. At some point this situation will be the downfall of organized Scientology. If parishioners are afraid to bring friends and family in, it’s all over. It’s just a matter of how long it will take before the organization eats itself alive from the inside out. As much as I’d like friends to have wins I couldn’t bring myself to sending them into an Org and having them get sliced and diced as if they walked into the blades of a helicopter.
I would also guarantee that Mr. Stoner did not actually write that letter himself and that DM has his some Sherman-type slaves churning out “correct” letters for OL to send out to their respective areas.
I’m sure in the wake of Debbie’s letter very few at Int have gotten any sleep, instead pulling all nighters to try and solve the newest disaster DM’s behavior has ensured. I can’t even imagine attempting to rationalize DM’s behavior and leadership in a coherent written fashion.
I bet TC does´nt have a clue whats ongoing.
It sounds like a bunch of little kids in the neighborhood with a secret club. They agree that “squirrel” is the ultimate insult. And for a long time, because that’s the ultimate insult, nobody calls each other a squirrel. Eventually, the bossy kid who bludgeoned the other kids into letting him be president of the club starts to call anybody a squirrel when they don’t do what he wants. Then they all start calling each other “squirrel” and throw each other out of the club when anybody doesn’t do what anybody else wants. Then the term loses all meaning. And to people not in the secret club who don’t know the rules (i.e., the adults in the neighborhood) a bunch of kids running around and calling each other “squirrel” and then acting like it’s the worst insult in the world sounds amazingly silly.
That’s what you have going on here. LRH, to his credit, tried to have a precise definition and a procedure for declaring people an SP or a squirrel, with procedures designed to make sure the process was not abused or over-used. He said that SP’s were only about 2% of the population, or something like that, to show that this should be a rare event. But the SP/squirrel declaration procedure clearly was abused wholesale, to the point where being declared an SP or called a squirrel has no meaning, other than being a badge of honor for those quitting in disgust, or other than being a source of laughs for the people who were never in the club in the first place.
Well then, by Tim’s reasoning, one could assume that the if a pc was happy at the end of the session, that the auditor did everything by the book, so why bother to read the worksheets and stomp hard on the alteration of procedure…the pc was happy after all…WRONG WRONG WRONG. That is the exact silly think that gets the tech lost. This is why LRH has references on C/Sing by exact application of Standard tech procedure and NOT by result. If one applies Standard Tech AND Standard admin, they will get the result, but you qualify by ensuring it is in fact done that way…and not by assuming it was.
Tim’s only true statement in that presentation was, “I am no policy expert…”
That’s right Tim, you are not!
Very interesting: I read the whole thing thinking I myself must be crazy for
not being able to tell whether he was kidding or not…
“…and when the organization itself becomes more important than the message, you no longer have a message going to the public, right?” L. Ron Hubbard, 28 Dec 1954, Unification Congress, Introduction.
This for me sums up the fundamental point, the fundamental reason that a reformation must succeed. the truth of it is what gives Debbie’s email justification and validation to be sent as she did. It gives me peace just to read it. Thank you Jim.
My favorite part of this: “As regards any accusations that something is occurring which is off-policy I am no policy expert but its clear that Policy is formulated so as to achieve Purpose. […] Policy should align with achievement of Purpose. Achievement of Purpose naturally reflects valid policy.”
What he’s saying: 1) I don’t know what I’m talking about but I’ll tell you what to do anyway. 2) If DM puts up slides at the IAS that shows that (the latest batch of bogus) stats are going up then whatever he’s doing must be the right thing and that the written policy doesn’t matter.
This is like the government saying that as long as the stats of the number of terrorists caught keeps going up, the trampling of constitutional rights doesn’t matter. Win at any cost!
So this sounds like the Big Lie that people still in the RCS have to tell themselves to justify abandoning original LRH policy which they were taught in the old days was the absolute guide to what to do. Stoner’s argument is not about overriding specific policies that may be obsolete, it’s about abandoning the whole mechanism of looking to written policy to tell you what to do.
I’d like to point up Sam’s earlier comment: “We’ve all gotten to where we are and somehow managed to work towards the same goals despite all our differences. No small feat considering how violently we disagree on so many issues!” (she was speaking of how so many different groups (indies, Freezone, Anons, Tony Ortega etc) …
We are actively working at transforming society. Not JUST those in or out of scientology IMHO but truly transforming society to reflect the basic goodness or enlightened quality of each being.
Society is essentially the relationship between two people and the willingness to communicate between two people. Rebuilding society begins with dialogue. Taking time to listen to each other, genuinely listen.
If we appreciate ourselves, and appreciate humanity even though the dialogue may be brief, it’s invaluable.
IF we decide that they are not worthwhile, “I’ve got to move on” in that sense we’ve dropped our respect for humanity.
Watching the pathetic “defriending” of Debbie Cook or her husband from people WHO KNOW BETTER, is simply showing how little respect they now have for humanity. It really does make me sad.
They are truly contributing to the overall degradation of society.
Luckily there is another force who is Moving On Up …
WH
Good point Les. Thanks for the correction. 🙂
The problem with that view is that LRH also says in Class VIII that standard Tech is ALL contained on the SHSBC. I invite you to study it all and take such a view about STOMPING HARD on somebody who produces a happy pc and did not dot his i’s and cross his tees.
Grasshopper, first let me say that if my family had been ripped apart or harrassed like so many here, I am sure name calling and labels would be my mildest response. I make no judgements .I support them and will turn a deaf ear.I have not walked a mile in their shoes.
BUT, labels and insults reinforce that WALL which we would rather see taken down. Sharp tongues may block the opportunity which Debbie Cook’s letter has presented and reinforce that wall which RCS has erected.
This Blog is a success. I just advise that the dialog is kept civil and on point as if we are having guests for dinner.
yes, also mails to German Scientologists.
Regis, I´m looking out for weeks how the trial from Scientology in Paris ended. Never heard anything again…. Did you hear something?
I do get that…
thanks.
It was more the overall point that results are achieved thru application of Standard Tech, and Orgs expand thru application of Standard Admin.
Sorry if it was a little off. 🙂
lol
UTC is equal to GMT only in winter. When daylight saving time is in effect, GMT is UTC+1
lol :-), thats for sure.
I think Larry Byrnes (with his paranoid non-sequitar discussion [interruption] which was clearly proved as such) was somewhat successful in his post in that he accomplished the one thing he probably set out to do (or was asked to do) with his drivel which was to put a giant communication turd in the middle of the thread for people to have to read through before getting to all the good news and win from the Debbie cycle such as this from Sam:
There’s magic in the air!
The first few responses to sending out Debbie’s email were the usual:
‘TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST!’
‘DON’T EVER SEND ME THIS NATTER AGAIN!’
But what followed on from that was surprising.
If my own personal experience these last couple of days is anything to go by then while Miscavige screams and OSA plots and the media pick over the bones of a rotten regime beginning to crumble, there’s another story beginning to unfold quietly behind the scenes.
Old friends. People I haven’t spoken to for years are responding to the email I forwarded to them from Debbie. I’m receiving simple acknowledgements and originations to connect back up again.
There isn’t any need to discuss what’s occurring. There is an unspoken understanding that the tide is now turning.
Peace within our own group is being restored and bridges are being built across that gulf of despair that has pitted Scientologist against Scientologist.
If Disconnection has been the driving force of evil behind Miscaviges regime then Debbie has finally provided the antidote needed to bring this game to a close.
It’s over.
The reason DM is using Larry’s moniker is that he cannot write for himself because he hasn’t been in valence in 20 years and because he knows Larry would never read this blog because DM disabused him of ever looking to Scn again.
ML Tom
No. He’s an OSA bot.
I wonder how the next Freedumb mag will spin the gross out-tech violations that Debbie pointed out in her letter.
Those tech violations don’t mean anything to the public at large, but they sure mean a lot to those few people who are still paying for service at orgs and getting tech which is grossly altered.
I’ve noticed that none of the “defenders of dave” have mentioned anything about the tech violations in their ignorant retorts against the horrible squirreling Debbie.
Defenders of Dave: How is it that after 15 years of Flag turning out the most perfect auditors ever created anywhere in the universe and sending them back to their perfect orgs, how is it that Flag is the only org capable of delivering grades to a PC?
And how is it that all the INT tech stats of auditors made and clears made and releases made are out the bottom??????
Please give us a laugh and post your justifications for that incredibly obvious
outpoint.
A response from a friend of mine on Mr. Stoner.
How about, hey Mr. Stoner (love the name) take a walk through any 5 of the ideal orgs and count the # of people in the HGC, comm course & on study to become auditors. If they tally up to more than an average attendance for Riverside’s academy I’ll kiss your ass. If not you wake up and become an independent.
FAT CHANCE.
This was posted in the comments of this celebitchy.com link provided by Robert Earle;
It’s comment #19
“Snowwhite says:
January 4, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I’m wondering when the first Scientologists will hit this comment section defending Davey, slandering Debbie Cook and claiming not to be affiliated with Scientology at all, but merely being a “neutral observer”?
hmmm is this the same dude that ranted above about loving LRH???
Wonderful news, Sam. We’ll never know the total effect of Debbie’s email, but hearing little vignettes like yours is very exciting indeed.
Based on the news we got from a few people as well – I think OSA has an op underway to have the koolaiders be the first to mention Marty and Mike’s names when discussing Debbie’s email to those who sent them to them. I think it’s being done that way in an effort to use the debriefs of those conversations to not only build a case that Debbie and Marty and Mike are working together but to find out how many people are seeming to be aware of Mike and Marty’s etc whistleblowing.
On another note, we have counted twelve people so far who have responded back to us with positive responses to our forwarding of Debbie’s email. A few have said they must keep the concerns to themselves because of family connections but are now composing exit strategy plans for themselves and family members. Knowing that there was an ability to get auditing and go up the Bridge was a key datum for them too.
1371 comments on this blog and counting so far on this topic.
How many news outlets world wide carrying the story I don’t know. Hard to tally there are so many. Dozens is conservative.
Debbie’s letter is being translated into several languages.
Google hits on Debbie Cook goes on for over 20 pages !!!
Go Debbie.
“I had to laugh on the comment of being on the Chaplain’s lines about this. And actually I was shocked that there is still a Chaplain posted in any org, nevertheless that Chaplain we all know is the worst dupe of all dupes.”
BR, being on chaplain lines is not to say that there is a posted chaplian however. I know when someone came into our org and wanted to see the chaplain that the ED came to the public in most cases to wear the chaplain hat – yet the person was “on chaplain lines”. I do know that there are chaplains on post in the SO service orgs but there are in fact very few single hatted chaplains on post in the class V sector from my experience.
Pendragon, in our area (Germany) still no snow on the road . The Co$ is dead as it was told since month. They are all hiding. Try and start a commcycle with DM – follower and they run away like rabbits….
+1
Ingrid. Your right to call an SP an SP and tell someone when they are 1.1, etc. Nothing wrong with that, particularly within an exisitng relationship.
But its a PR world. And if your trying to reach out to a group or be welcomming of a group, the 2-way comm cycle is harder to establish when one party has disparaged the other. Its simple manners. There is a PL on it. You have to get someone to be willing to listen to you in order to give him a right indication. And if one is known for calling so and so a name, you can be sure that the person who wants to keep you and so and so apart will remind him or her of it. This is simple tech. Even I get it.
Second coming of LRH? More like the actual Messiah. Here’s one KADs response to Debbie’s email. Looks like following LRH Policy is now a quaint, old-fashioned idea – now we follow PoBs Programs!
From: Tim Stoner [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:52 PM
To: Razzline
Subject: EVERYWHERE: My stable datum for evaluating attacks on Management
When I have a question as to “what’s most important” and “how are things going”, I align confusing data against the stable datum of LRH’s stated Admin Scale for Scientology.
In Scientology LRH established the top level goal of “A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where man is free to rise to greater heights”. Above the level of “get myself personally happy and free”, this is what Scientology is all about. If this goal is not achieved, your personal freedom will be short-lived. This is the big goal for all of us who are on the pro-survival team. This is the mountain which we must not lose sight of.
The Aims of Scientology are achieved by getting effective programs implemented on a truly global scale which bring the wisdom of Scientology and its disenturbulating effects to a large percentage of individuals on the planet, thereby producing an ever increasing sanity and calming effect which reverses the dwindling spiral until the goal of Scientology is achieved and maintained.
How are we doing on this? I have been around since the 70’s. In those years, in terms of achieving those goals, Scientology was like a small struggling business. Fits and starts, some small programs originated towards this goal but nothing that ever created any real significant effect. That’s a fact. if you were not there you can ask someone who was. Sure, a few people got auditing and training in these years, but the above goal to create a new civilization was not even getting scratched.
As opposed to “rumors”, it is a fact easily observed for yourself by comparing the past to the present that in the last 10-15 years we have begun making huge progress in the right direction of getting Scientology and its disenturbulating effects disseminated and more available to the world, for Scientologists and non-Scientologists alike. It is truly like night and day compared to what things were like in the 70s. The Golden Age of Tech. The Golden Age of Knowledge. The Basics. The new Div 6 courses. The website. Online courses. Scientology ads. Human Rights Campaign. The Way to Happiness programs. CCHR and success against psych programs. Narconon. Educational technology. Ideal orgs so that there is not an ugly mest barrier preventing FSMing. And on and on.
If you could calculate a single, cumulative graph which reflected progress towards this top level Scientology goal, that graph took a definite upswing within the last 10 or so years and is now in a very strong affluence.
From the “going nowhere” early years to the present “strongly heading in the right direction with a huge and growing increase in order of magnitude”, this is a management turnaround story.
This is the work of our management team in Scientology. You can tell the intentions of someone or a group by the trend of their products. These products reflect the intention and focus and dedication of “Upper Management” in Scientology, lead by COB.
Could you do this job, or even a better job, on this large of a scale? Not me, that’s for sure. And the job was not really getting done at all until COB took over.
Does that mean that everything is perfect? No. But when you are trying to evaluate “troubles” and/or “rumors”, align those “confusions” to something that you can see for yourself and know is true. The Scientology religion led by COB is finally operating on a level where we actually have the hope and promise that its Aims are being realized, slowly but surely and with growing momentum.
If you hope for a future which reflects the Aims of Scientology, support the current Scientology Management. Anyone acting against a management team that is accomplishing the above successes is not operating on the Scientology Admin Scale topped by the Aims of Scientology as stated by LRH.
As regards any accusations that something is occurring which is off-policy I am no policy expert but its clear that Policy is formulated so as to achieve Purpose. If the Purpose is actually being achieved and someone is saying that the methods being used are “off-policy” this is a suspect and likely “contrary fact” statement which should be regarded with skepticism. Policy should align with achievement of Purpose. Achievement of Purpose naturally reflects valid policy.
Despite these wins above and without granting too much credence to rumors and accusations, its still possible to grant that some things might be improved. With this much pressure and intention, shit is bound to happen now and then. Can you honestly say that you have the wisdom and perseverance and all the other qualities necessary that you could eliminate any rough spots and still get as good a product as is being gotten now? If so, I salute you. Having been a CEO in business for 30 years, I know I couldn’t even come close and I have never run across anyone who I think could. Not to excuse and brush aside things which need improvement, but any such instances must be compared in light of the other plus points in the scene. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is no solution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throw_out_the_baby_with_the_bath_water)
In my opinion, a management team and a “CEO” that works this hard and which is this dedicated and successful in forwarding the Aims of Scientology (as evidenced by the litany of products being gotten) is a godsend, one which should be supported, and one who will not leave unaddressed for long any important issues which impede the success and advance of Scientology.
Attacking this management in order to solve supposed problems is a very PTS and counter-survival action. Instead, maintain your support, your vote of confidence, your tolerance for any rough edges, and your patience. Management will handle anything that needs to be handled, and you know they will not leave the game until the Aims of Scientology are realized. And that is our only hope for the future. I use this as my stable datum regarding attacks and accusations, and I recommend you do also as it is a very correct and pro-survival viewpoint.
Tim Stoner
Fantastique!!
Merci beaucoup!
Tony, this is great! I will borrow this one… 🙂
Well said Bob
Again, Miscavige is doing our work for us. Debbie is adhering the activity she announced in her letter. Miscavige by trying to link her to us is only opening those reached by Debbie to look further, beyond her her obvious list of outpoints, to the TRUTH. Brilliant.
Love it!!
I read these comments, this blog, this morning and am literally brought to tears. The names, comments, stories on here – they have hit so close to home, I can’t even say. The people in these stories (some anyway), were my parents, godparents, long-time family friends…. I want to piece together my life in this blog, but logically I know that isn’t possible.
I realize this is personal and off-topic, it’s just that all the pop-corn eating, high octane “entertainment” is starting to get to me. Yes, it’s entertaining, and some of these kool-aid drinker comments are jaw dropping, but those are real people. Or at least they used to be. Real people who thought they were dedicating their lives to something amazing that were robbed of their morality, spirituality and cognitive thinking skills. It is heart-breaking.
Um…. I think I need a freakin’ support group. Debbie got MY TA going!
For what it’s worth, for the most part, those Scientologists who have an opinion, seem to be Ron Paul supporters. At least that’s my observation.
😀 touché!
+1
Rebel! 😀
Great comment Haydn! I can see a few idiots clinging to the church of miscavidge for years to come kind of like those Japanese soldiers stuck on an island still fighting ww2 years after it ended. Meanwhile the indie scene will have left them far behind..
WH,
Well said. Debbie has communicated the truth of the situation as she observes it and the references she has used to evaluate her observation. The ability to freely make our own decisions is what this is all about. Even those not involved with Scientology have their own decisions and the right to the freedom of those thoughts. LRH understood that.
“The freedom of an individual depends upon that individual’s freedom to alter his considerations of space, energy, time, and forms of life and his roles in it. If he cannot change his mind about these, he is then fixed and enslaved amidst barriers such as those of the physical universe, and barriers of his own creation. Man thus is see to be enslaved by barriers of his own creation. He creates these barriers himself, or by agreeing with things which hold these barriers to be actual.
There is a basic series of assumptions in processing, which assumptions do not alter the philosophy of Scientology. The first of these assumptions is that Man can have a greater freedom. The second is that so long as he remains relatively sane, he desires a greater freedom. And the third assumption is that the auditor desires to deliver a greater freedom to that person with whom he is working. If these assumptions are not agreed upon and are not used, then auditing degenerates into ‘the observation of effect’, which is, of course, a goal-less, soulless pursuit, and is, indeed, a pursuit which has degraded what is called modern science.” end LRH quote from The Creation of Human Ability.
These facts apply to all of mankind, not just elite’s members of specific groups within the whole. Looking at the scene with Debbie, her “friends” etc and we can see who is really forwarding any type of freedom to be.
+2
And I realized I forgot to add ‘Budhhists’ and ‘wogs’ to my list yesterday and probably even other groups represented here …. no matter… we are all enlightened spiritual beings who are evolving and moving through our own personal journey together as one irresistible force of theta – exactly what LRH talks about in RJ67 🙂
http://www.economist.com/node/21542397
Lots of OL’s read the Economist.
I assume Larry Byrne = Snow White, right?
However, SnowWhite wrote:
“[Cook] Pretends hoping great dissemination and a year
of real progress up The Bridge for all Scientologists, but making it difficult, or impossible to everyone, who has read her Mail.”
Maybe he is right saying it will make it difficult to go up the Bridge.
At least for a while.
BUT, without knowing this, it’s impossible to be free.
You must recognize the truth first before you can really be free.
Data is not truth. Anyone has to open his eyes for himself.
Any Scientologist should at least know, what the word Scientology means.
I let them talk. Snow White, DM, Sherman.
A thetan recognizes truth. And he recognizes lies. We can only put our finger on the outpoints and let them look.
Love your quotes from Boethius. Takes me back to college days, so very long ago…
T S
Confirmed. Yes, Debbie is being linked to Indies to smear her and her message. That’s what I just got back.
Greta
This is definitely Tim Stoner’s writing and message, having known him and listened to his speeches at fund-raising events in Seattle.
He has $3Million+ reasons to write that and believe every word of it. To view data and evaluate things logically could be very very traumatic. I’ve toned down my comment here significantly.
Of course stats are down; you Indies are levelling tremendous suppression at us; all the Int auditors have to handle the media. Supervisors have to build idle orgs that will speed delivery 10o0x, so of course there’re no students. Grades can only be delivered by Standard auditors and you only find them at Flag because there’s just a handful of them personally trained by Mr. IQ himself. Clears are down because before our brilliant GAT nobody could read the e-meter but once the new breed of auditor is fired we will clear the planet 10o00x faster. Most staff are send to the RPF so they can build the additional space that is going to be needed when delivery starts. Once we have 100 Idle orgs, 200 CL VIII’s, 300 Super power auditors, 400 regges, 500 CMO youth, 600 celebrities and 700 OTH8’s, we will start clearing the planet with lightening speed that dwarfs even LRH stats. Thanks so much to SOB without who none of this would have been possible!
Yes, John, many!—- like BEWARE!
Yes, Marty, prefer the LRH version though!
Could of sworn I saw him down the Nag’s Head the other night.
That’s strange ‘cos I also word cleared and clay demo’d the whole of Snowhite’s post and it clearly tranlates to “My hovercraft is full of eels”.
The fact you are here and communicating says it all. As many have observed, the “waking up” process can be hard and tough, even traumatic. I have no faintest clue who you are, but I can tell you this: it IS possible to piece your life back together, just ask the billions (if RCS has millions, logically we must be in the billions) of Indies that already have or are in the process of doing so. This blog is good therapy – “damn good shit”.
Also,and in response to another poster earlier up asking about the history of how DM got where he is I highly recommend http://www.scientology-cult.com/secret-history-of-david-miscavige.html
Yes, John and ” manners maketh the man (/ woman)”
has the LRH take as: ” (1) granting importance to the
other person, (2) maintaining two way communication ”
How the hell could auditing ever occur, without it ????
We have enormous challenges to confront planet wide
at the moment and it seems to escape many, that is
ALL caused by “people!!” Power,greed,vengeance,
obsession and compulsion motivated “people.”
Prior to Kapitein Kamikazi, we had LRH’s genius
creation Scientology Orgs, which actually, factually,
just plain worked, to reverse the above planet wide
problem (Aberration!) Merchants of Chaos just
thrive on this ‘sickness’ and make it their business!
Debbie AND her husband are very welcome for
dinner, when she’s taken care of ‘things’
More power to all beings of good will. Li’ll bit
Wakingup, If this is your introduction to the blog – welcome. Stick around and you will find there are all types here. Pop corn eating usually has to do with dumb comments, like snowhite above. We all have been through it. We have dreams and aspirations, wins and gains from the tech. I know how you feel. There is no celebration in the insanity and suppression. There is celebration in newly gained freedoms. Debbie is a very real person as are almost all here. I, along with many here, spent a good part of my life in the SO and was totally in support. Unfortunately our good intentions have been misused. But there is light at the end of the tunnel. The tech is available, the bridge is available and we have the ability here to make our own decisions on what we find to be true – without our “cognitions and wins” being spoon fed to us.
Waking up from a deep sleep and realizing part of that was a nightmare can be a bit rough but it can be done. The outcome is like finding yourself all over again and moving on up from the here and now.
LRH wrote:
“Spectatorism is not so low as total effect. The total effect – no cause – person has mainly a case. He doesn’t even look.” HCO PL 14 JAN 1969 OT ORGS
Andy
“…time and pressure…”
It’s a process. Take lots of walks – it really helps.
If you really are waking up in 2012 then it might still be raw for you.
I’ve had 3 years now and I’ve pretty much gone through what some of us fondly refer to as the ‘decompression phase’.
We’re all here and we’ve all been through it.
BREATHE! It gets easier.
XXX
NB:
The use of the word ‘wog’ is intended to be tongue in cheek. I don’t want anyone to be offended by it.
Nice reference Jack. I’ve never read the article on Kindness. If you could send it to me I would be very grateful. theoracle@ymail.com
wow ! was so busy reading all the wonderful comments that actually forgot to make my own.
I find the recent events a wonderful demonstration of the old adage: ” when the finger points to the moon, the idiot looks at the finger”
for the bright ones I say no more.
Likewise – OTDT’s parodies were awesome.
Yes – I guess not a parody, but a lower-toned mockery. Too bad.
My post was facetious, in response to an over-serious objection to the use of “Kool-aid Drinker.”
One of the things that DM and his robotic/rote followers did was remove any sense of humor from the situation. They took the HCOB “Jokers and Degraders” completely out of context, to the point where ANY humor was considered a sign of overts and having an “XDN” case (this was when it was released). I remember when the HCOB was published, and it was pretty grim for a few months after. Some people kept it up. However, laughter and humor is a rejection. There is a whole process called “Remedy of Laughter” (R2-26) that consists of just getting someone to laugh.
The ironic part is that DM seems to love to call people joking and degrading names.
I have utmost respect for most people in the SO, on staff, and in the church. I have lots of friends who are in (hell, I am in myself) who have put up with the gyrations of all this crap for years.
I can honestly say that despite whatever names are bandied about, the people I know who are here are truly loving and compassionate people. Which is something, sadly, you learn when you LEAVE the day-to-day involvement with the church and live some life in the “real world”.
Think about it: If Tommy Davis came along and started posting here, what do you think would be the response? Open arms. Absolutely open arms. I know this because I would do it, and I know from reading Marty’s and Mike’s comments over the years that they would do it too. There is no “hole” here.
But, people who are reacting to reacting to Debbie’s email in such a negative light – “reporting to ethics”, calling her a squirrel (in public – USA Today, no less) without ANY other information than the letter, which accurately quotes policy and tech, and was done in a non-public manner (Facebook is not public, it is by definition a gathering of friends), and with NO ethics cycle of ANY kind (no Comm Ev, no BofI) are TRULY deluded and have shut themselves off from the fruits of observation (as Ron would say). They are acting like Sheeple, and the wall you speak of is not called by calling them a name, it is caused by their own willingness to cut their communication lines and withdraw into their own version of reality.
When DM falls – and he will – it will make for some very interesting times. It will have to have reconciliation and a serious period of reformation and organizational soul searching as part of the process. It may start with salvos of “Kool-Aid Drinker!” and “Squirrel!” being bandied back and forth – but it will end with the subject much, much stronger.
Scientology
Thetans at war
A split in a secretive world
Jan 7th 2012 | from the print edition
It is in the PRINT edition of the Economist! Not just the on-line version.
wow !
unbelievable !
He didn’t check any facts !
Nice quote from latest DC article in ‘The Economist’ , “THETANS AT WAR” ,(so difficult to keep track of them all!!)
“Scientology’s leaders have withstood numerous legal, official and other onslaughts in past years. But disgruntled true believers may prove to be the most potent enemy of all.”
http://www.economist.com/node/21542397
Hi there !
Nice to see you, it’s an adventure here !
May you free yourself and become a real Scientologist !
Oh got it-He’s the poisonous snake-doesn’t like to be IDed.
Mike-You say it like it is!
Takes one to know one!
Nice, I love the Ad +1
You got it
😀
Les-Great questions! Since lil’ DAvey can’t duplicate, he won’t be able to answer them
Firebreathing Frog,
You make excellent observations here of how the cookie crumbled and the Corporate “Empire” is no longer Scientology. The only thing keeping it together are the Writings of Hubbard, which are at this point altered, and applied as Evaluation and Invalidation weapons. So it’s fraudulent.
Other bits of truth, i.e., of beneficial Scientology, that are mixed in with the convoluted mess the Radical Corporate Scientology Church “Empire” has become is what makes it stick with the new people who never experienced what it was like with the Creed and the Auditor’s Code as number one Purpose, and sacrosanct inviolate. It’s like, wow, this is great stuff … but why all the other crap…hmm, oh, it must be me, I must not have gotten something, maybe my case, my evil, yadayadayada.
So how do they “take down” the psycho who is fooling them and spinning them in with a facade of help?
Have asked the same as your say here —> So no one can put ethics in on this little fucker?
Then just take a look around. Methinks It be happening. Long time and many heartaches and much endurance later.
Radical Corporate Scientology Church replies: “Thousands of Scientologists who are overjoyed by the 27 new churches and the communities they serve …”
1. Thousands? What happened to claim of millions membership?
2. 27 churches (that don’t deliver real Scientology)
3. And then what about the $1 billion dollars fleeced and coerced even by violating Confessional Privilege and hoarded in reserve?
Great video, Sinar. Thank you Huffington Post!
One of the best articles yet! Succinct and to the point, covers all the bases! Thanks for posting it.
http://www.economist.com/node/21542397
And that is an excellent article.
+ 1 From me too! WH as always bang on the mark.
Hello Marty,
just to underline how much he (DM) really does.
Yeee, David Miscavige is “running on Karma” and is putting in ethics on himself.
LRH was so right about how good man basicly is.
Martin,
Good for a LOL! 🙂
Cradle of Civilisation
Tim Stoner is totally stone on crack.
+10,000
Every single scientologist which includes Indies, Freezone members and of course scientologists under David miscaviges rule should email, write or call every org on the planet and demand the management structure as developed by LRH be put back immediately and any and all fundraising STOP! Off-policy actions and made up policies by Miscavige and gang must cease and desist. All members should demand DM’s removal and get rid of anyone eselse following his insane rules and off policy actions. We should make this loud and clear and mince no words. He has been gettin away with this nonsense for wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy to long!!!!!!!!
Impeach DM now!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to point out that Debbie Cook did what she did as Debbie Cook. She did not let her family or business connections within the church force her into hiding in order to express her views. It would be timely and a nice way to back her up for as many as possible to do the same. This may be an opportunity for many to reassess their particular situations, empower themselves, and enter the light. Something to think about.
Perhaps wakingupin2010 would have been a better name, as this “awakening” has been happening for a couple years now.
I really appreciate the support, understanding and kind words from you guys. There really isn’t any other support system or de-indoctrination checksheet for this (there is an idea). Making sense of all this is sometimes difficult, and certainly leaves one wondering WTF?
I’d like to know what tips or tools anyone has for helping start these types of conversations with friends and family who are still in Scientology. I want to come at it with a positive approach, but I also want to be effective. Has anyone had success in “waking up” others? Is it typical that this process takes forever, or is there ever an instance where a devoted Scientologist looks at the facts, sees the outpoints and simply agrees with us/me? There is an amazing amount of reactive mind (I perceive it anyway), when approaching these topics and I’d like to see if anyone has any successful actions to cut through the BS and communicate straight to the OTs hiding under the crazy cultist valence. I really want to get my family out of this.
Waking up is not neccessarily an easy thing to do and you will find yourself moving up and down the tone scale quite a bit. It is sometimes hard to confront how much we missed or even contributed to along the way.
Entering the blog at a time when there is a major break such as Debbie’s email brings out all types of posters, real people, Scientology spies and OSA agents trying to derail interest. On a regular day there is very little in the way of purposeful enturbulation. The comments in reply are just letting off steam, and humor such as knats flying about the face trying to annoy but harmless. This is really a theta blog that attracts people who care to see the abuses put to an end, an a lot of people who are committed to delivering Scientology LRHs way.
We have not forgotten those that are still inside the church that haven’t yet begun to confront anything that hasn’t been given to them as church propaganda. Each day we post more truth for others to see, contribute to and get as-isness from. It’s a process and eventually you get an EP and you communicate on all the comm lines you have hoping that one day, your friend is the next one to look. Really glad that you are here, each person out of the trap is a win for us all.
This really says: I dare not confront, I won’t look, I don’t need to look because my computations are doing the looking for me and they tell me that POB’s data matches their content.
But under that is says: please, please, please, please don’t make me be responsible for Scientology, I can’t confront it. It’s too valuable and if I mess up I’ll never forgive myself. Let POB do what he wants as long as I don’t have to be responsible for Scientology.
Here’s to all you good folks…………….
Somethings are keepers. And here you are. Thanks!!!
“If I wouldn’t like Mike Rinder in the first place, I never would look for him on the internet. My ARC to him opened my eyes.” Ditto 🙂
Mike Rinder of stage at events just push me to look and search the truth on the Internet!
And now i am free of the Vulture Cuture 🙂
Marty, always was,always will be,about results on the
P.C. / P.O.T in front of you.
Of course, due to the power of obnosis, (latent /restored) we now know that the Glitzy Golden Orgs are just bait, to pull in just the affluent amongst us us,in order to cast the
orchestrated,mind control techniques of reverse SCN &
Black Dn, necessary to achieve the aims of the exalted
Kapitein Kamikazi, which DON’T happen to align with the
aims of LRH’s Scientology.
The future of any successful ‘future’ orgs,after Kapitein
has been forced to leave the scene, will probably revert
to being more austere establishments, again, for the
simple reason that, in this new age of internet access to almost ANY materials needed for SCN study,it’s all now
available, practically free, online.
So,purely from an affordability aspect, a revision of the
concept of achieving a genuine “ideal org” per LRH’s
P/L is, going to have to centre around the opening
sentence, ie, a model such as the brilliant new house
conversion in Taiwan, recently, by it’s tone 4.0 owner.
I’m just suggesting that the original old Org / mission
concepts and Field Auditors need to again revert to
being the world community’s local “face” of SCN, NO
“Glitz” just ………..RESULTS!………….. Li’ll bit
Ah, I didn’t realize he was already a long term mouthpiece. If he’s been leeching off and making money on DM’s scam for years then he’s already well versed in the PR line defenses. It sounded like a very practiced pat response – and I guess it is. He’s probably had to defend all this and much more while trying to vacuum the money out of CoS members. The sheer slick defensive inauthenticity of it all just screamed out PR line.
“He doesn’t even look.”
Sums it up perfectly. I wrote a “goodbye” letter to my local org, specifically my course supervisor, mainly because outside of the classroom, we’ve been friends for a number of years and I’m a nice person and wanted to explain why I suddenly stopped showing up. I put a lot of time and effort into the letter – many hours for sure – and was very careful to not evaluate or invalidate my supervisor/friend on a personal basis. After sending it to her, the reply I got back was “You know better than to send enturbulating comm. I didn’t even read the letter, I just forwarded it to the head of the org”.
This despite me sending it to her personal email address.
“Doesn’t even look.”
Classic no-look response. Too true.
And here I was with the belief that Scientology allowed one to hand upsets better than the average person!
I’ll bett TC will be picked up by the ambulance.
It’s better he starts to think with illogics, just looking around and finding some illogic around him (outpoints).
Outpoint is something which differs from the ideal scene.
The ideal scene is laid out by LRH in PL’s.
I know no PL’s about the IAS (hence it’s illogical).
And I know no PL’s about the “Ideal Org’s Programm”.
The one PL about “The Ideal Org” is something a group works towards. It’s a concept. It’s a ideal scene. It’s not a building. There is no stupid fund-raising involved.
It is financed by delivery.
Where is the delivery? Where are the Auditors?
Are buildings more valuable than Auditors?
Why there are no Auditors created in the Glibby Age of Tech?
And why does Auditing cost up to more than 4x as much as it should (per policy)?
If the means and activities distract the purpose (delivery) than the “ideal scene” must be false. And it is. The reason for Orgs is delivery. Get the money collected by delivery. Don’t worry about the image of Scientology because the building is not perfect. Look where all this Mestology results in.
Did the image of Scientology rise since the “Ideal Org” program started?
No?
Someone is running on the incorrect WHY, right?
Marty, you something, that is a brilliant idea. Why don’t we fund and Independent for office? Why not for President? Why not? What a brilliant idea! An OT in the Oval Office. 🙂 My nomination: Karen De La Carriere.
Waking Up,
As to how to approach, my honest suggestion is to take the Comm Formula and the material of Dn 55 on Two -way comm ( be aware of and willing to duplicate fully the return of originations as you go from Cause to Effect) and be there and apply it.
Just start the communication, with the highest level of affinity you can maintain (Tone Level of Auditor column from the Chart of Human Eval, SOS) and with a good intention to get some duplication (R) back and forth, persist.
Communication and a good dose of admiration WILL inevitably dissolve any and all barriers. You’ll achieve what you need with sufficient discipline in application of the basics of two-way comm using that Formula.
You’ll also likely run into the cases of those you are working with on this. Some of those are pretty ensconced. Get what you can with them, accent on the good parts and take your wins as they have them. Some will be less fixed than others.
And, study, audit, get auditing and you’ll have a much funnerer time.
Too late Sam!! I am already offended…
Well, now that I’ve gotten through the “threadkill” that fills the first fourth of this comment section, I will peruse what people are saying that has anything to do with the subject.
Sorry, I should have been clearer – he’s donated 3+ million to the Seattle Ideal org – he is the largest victim of the Idle org scam in the Seattle field. But you are right that it is his practiced response in defending his actions – he better be right — he can’t “afford” to be wrong! We donated 300K to the idle org and when I found out the truth I was stunned at the level of betrayal for quite some time, to put it simply.
I’m glad. Good luck.
Nice song by the way.
How she knew that your mail
was entheta when she
didn’t read it?
MOG–Tim said, “this is a management turnaround story.” In other words, “LRH didn’t know what he was doing, COB knows better.” Too bad Tim can’t even confront his own words on paper, or he’d see that’s what he just said.
Well, there was another whole section I was able to skip. Thanks for the filler, SnowJob!
This was the part that broke the reality of most:
Statement from Karin re: Debbie’s views:
“They are not shared by the thousands of Scientologists who are overjoyed by our 27 new Churches and what they mean to the communities they serve.”
Communities you serve? Communities you serve? LAUGHTER!
The CofS isn’t serving it’s own people and has not been for decades!
ok…here’s a better clarification of my point…(and I really do get what you are saying Marty about the I’s and Ts.).
Per C/S #45, “A C/S never C/Ses exclusively for result. He C/Ses for exact tech application. If that occurs, he’ll also get his result…
Never give a ‘very well done’ on wins only.Give them on tech exactness. ”
And the same applies for Admin policy and running an Org.
These guys who find reasons why it’s ok to have something other than Standard Admin are just blind.
It was early this morning, only one cup of coffee in me, and I was anxious to contribute… so did not totally explain as clearly as I could have. 🙂
This email sent by Debbie Cook will be the most damaging and most helpful email ever sent.
It will bring down the people who needs to be brought down and it will help raise people who have been suppressed and dictated to for the past 30 years. No need to mention names but Debbie cook has done something monumental for Scientology an d Scientologist around the world.
Thats my girl! Keep up the good work and don’t be bullied by you know who!
Dear Snow,
You say,
“We are Scientologists! LRH told us, it requires as MINIMUM, the Publics shouldn`t be repelled from our Buildings. ”
How many people are repelled from buildings where reports and evidence of people being imprisoned, bitchslapped by the Church leader, sent for abortions, used as slave labor, stalked and harassed for escaping and reporting it? Has David Miscavige beat you bloody yet? Were you stuffed in a trash can and slapped and hazed in front of hubreds of people? Did you have to climb down the rope of the ship to escape the Freewinds?
THIS is what repels people!
Haydn,
I recall that Flag Order where LRH exhorts: “the giddy diaper days are over. It’s YOUR Scientology too, you know!’
Chaulk up another which has TC picture. This story is making it’s rounds to all kinds of places. I’ve been collecting them up but will stick to this one here.http://perezhilton.com/2012-01-05-scientology-member-slams-leader-in-mass-email?relate=
Thanks. Big difference between not giving a ‘very well done’ and ‘stomping on” somebody.
Yeah Bert. The more a person has invested the more apt he is to engage in hard core denialism.
So far I’ve found about 2 dozen places running the story of Debs e-mail
I don’t know about you but we were forced to read the POB’s Wake Up Call and get star-rated on it numerous times. In fact, some got M9’d as Instruct requirements, if they failed to recruit.
Wake Up Call was being treated as THE reference to use to get people to act now or else and if they didn’t there would be “ethics” which meant justice. Though things had been going down hill for a few years prior, DM’s Wake Up Call seemed to accelerate the move into fanatical behavior where we now had to perform like chickens with our heads cut off to get the stats up because any day the planet would just implode.
Though people just showed up at a prospects house prior, it was completely justified now with the Wake Up Call and it happened more and more and more and more KR’s were written on public for not donating or joining staff or … you name it. You could justify any fanatical behavior with the “urgency of planetary clearing” and the Wake Up Call “came from the top of Scientology”.
I cringe and throw up a little when I hear about the “Wake Up Call” ….
Perfect reference. Thank you so much, Jim Logan.
Fascinating ride, this! The tsunami that Debbie’s email unleashed has probably yet subside and will no doubt bounce round the world for quite some time before all settles.
I wonder what after shocks we shall feel.
Leonore
And that my friend is why some of the long time albeit completely overwhelmed and PTS staffers just go along with the OOD from POB. They’ve invested 10-20-30+ years of their life? To go against it now would be to alienate oneself from EVERYONE they know. It would make them VERY wrong indeed. Disconnect policy and all. And so the blinders go up and the party line says “heretics” and here’s the LRH that says if we get attacked … blah blah. No thinking with the data, just what they want it to mean to them. Yes, investing 3 million dollars might be bad. But you won’t get your youth back, at least not in this form.
I think Debbie realized that she could play it safe, keep her head low and get by. But one day she woke up and thought, “Oh hell no, I am not betraying LRH by saying NOTHING. I have power too!” And indeed her comm lines reached thousands. I love this!
And that is DM’s worst nightmare!
DM, by his own statement, says his power derives from people that will listen to him.
Debbie Cook sent a salvo into the corporate scientology ship, and it is taking on even more water. This will be the beginning of waking up for many but certainly not all.
It is a continuing process. Each person will be different. When a particular person’s tolerance level is finally exceeded, they will begin to look and find their way to the truth.
Please try to be gentle. Name calling doesn’t particularly help them. We were ALL in that ship at one point.
+100000000000000000
Thanks Martin Padfield for the laugh–the really big laugh–on reading your take on Snow White’s diatribe: “My hovercraft is full of eels.”
And thank you Tom Gallagher for that lovely bit of James Taylor.
And Thanks again to Debbie for standing up and speaking out in a way that only she could do.
Correction (sorry for not being a more careful editor):
Perfect reference. Thank you so much, Jim Logan.
The tsunami that Debbie’s email unleashed has probably yet TO subside and will no doubt bounce round the world for some time before all settles.
I wonder what after shocks we shall feel.
Leonore
Excellent analysis!!!
Tim Stoner…( Stoner…huh, huh, huh) ( In my best Beavus impersonation)
The Kool aid is strong with this one…
Exactly Jimbo, for the enablers of DM I don’t think is so much a lack of K or C as a lack of R..
Dear Larry, If you feel some sense of “Guardianship” about the Scientology, I ask you to consider this. I wrote a poem once:
I cannot accept
who I am,
until I accept
who I have been.
It was a little mantal jingle to give myself guidance about finding peace of mind.
All of us here, when we think of Scientology, think of it as an “I” sort of thing.
WE are Scientology. You are Scientology too. DM is Scientology too. The Sea Org is Scientology too. We are all Scientology to some extent, born of various avenues of it.
Full responsibility admits errors, outpoints and transgressions. Admits needing correction. The “public” who claim “all is well” in the Sea Org really do not believe it. That includes you Larry. Because if you thought it was, you would all be there. In the Sea Org.
I don’t know what your agenda is here Larry. But you have not been on the front lines for a long time. Something happened to you too. You stepped to the back of the room. You lost confidence just as the rest of did. Not in Scientology, but in the crowd. I don’t care what people think of Int Management that have never been in the Sea Org. They don’t know it all and they know enough that they don’t go there. They rely on flyers and planned speeches DM never wrote himself to know about.
So I am going to let in you in on some fresh news to you, a few decades old to me.
Larry, when you left the Sea Org, you were thrown under the bus too.
Chilloco was called an “abortion” while the regges raked in millions calling it the “premier dug rehabilitation program” on the planet. None of the money donated to Chilloco actually went to anyone there though. It was just a cash cow that bought in millions for the C of S. 40 Indians were put through the program as part of the lease and six stayed alchohol free. On top of that it turned out the Indian Chiefs were runninn gambling and child pornography rings off the same property, and it was kept hush hush so it could be held up there as a cash cow for the C of S.
This really illustrates the same “dedication” you illustrate here to keep the show on the road.
WE in BEING Scientology object to such violations of humanity and disown it. That is because we can admit faults and outpoints. We are not so fragile that we assume the Scientology is connected to social props.
There are many inconvenient truths you have yet top share the burden on.
That is not our bad.
T.O.
P.S. Larry, I hate to tell you, but all of the love, care and hard work you put in too helping children off drugs was turned into an “overt product”.
I heard nothing but slander about you at the Flag Command Bureau. The 250,000 you spent on the Barbara Mandrell concert. They made it back 100 fold. You made millions for the CofS with Chilloco and they NOTHING but entheta to say about you. You were described as an overt product maker. That is how they justified turning your dream into a cash cow that did nothing to help anyone but them. There were 13 Naconons in the U.S. when A.B.L.E took over. They bled them all into bankruptcy by taking away their bank accounts. There were three left within two years of A.B.L.E taking them over. Those Sea Org members are not allowed to walk on the Streets of Clearwater, let alone walk into a Narconon yet they RUN THEM. Larry, you do not belong as an occasional swiper on a blog. You do belong on the front lines with your dreams, which were the only decent evidence of care I saw in the Sea Org.
I am asking you to come back. To a real and genuine issue.
And if you can not, please do not suppress the ones that are.
You were once my hero for your dreams and visions to help children off of drugs. L.R.H. donated 75,000.00 to Narconon L.A.. I watched the Sea Org come in and take it all away ten times over and close that building down.
These things I write are true.
T.O.
WakingUp…
No fast answers. Scientology was meant to be a road to truth and understanding. I think you should follow the goal to increase understanding and agreement of truth. You state you want your family out but it is their choice. The key tip is to keep your own integrity of what you know is true. You are up against (really just an apparancy) some belief or agreement (which has never been understood or evaluated). This process doesn’t take forever. Some are faster than others.
I suggest reading the blog, the past postings and getting a feel for where your family are at. You might try to communicate with understanding but ultimately it is their choice as to what to believe.
Expect to move up and down the tone scale some but in the end and during you will be just fine. I would not say it is an abrupt awaking but that does not imply it may be a rude awakening. Life goes on and we, as beings, just love a game – even those that love an aberrated game. Don’t give up at the first hard to confront area. Life is to be lived, not hidden from.
How did you find that out, this full equation? This is the top secret book title of my memoirs. Favorite for the subtitle was “Lost Touch” but that was to long for a subtitle, so the concentration is now on just “Lost”. To speed up the trademarking of the word Int Management is doing currently a full documentation of every place where the word “Lost” has been used in the past. This is going to be monumental.
“DM”
I have also noticed that with very few exceptions, the articles are all respectful of Debbie’s email. The media are taking her communication seriously. Her communication was so clean and forthright that it is being forwarded, as is.
The money and time invested are two huge reasons but there is another playing a huge factor – the pride & “toldya so!” I know more than a few people who got involved with Scientology did not have support from friends and family. People in their lives would tell them they were joining a cult. So besides time and money it’s the ego – having to admit to these friends & family they were right to a degree – or even worse you are totally isolated from all the people who used to care about you being forced to chose CoS over them due to disconnection. It’s got to be incredibly difficult to confront and I do believe many “in” are scared shitless. (Getting down the road they may be able to explain the differences between Scientology and DM’s cult, but that would come later and not remove the initial sting.)
Then add to the fact so many “in” bots didn’t read or pretend not to read DC email, or at least put on a public front that as soon as they realized it might have anything counter to DM immediately said they reported to RTC. These bots posting on Debbies wall to show their DM loyalty just proved they live in total fear of their supposed “church.” Of course, not displaying the perfect KGB like response to honest communication would mean having to pay thousands for sec-checking, or de-PTS ing or even being forced to disconnect from loved ones or being declared. Totalitarian rule by fear and brutality – and they pay for it!! The way KR have insured cult members are terrified of honestly talking to each other, for fear of being reported, has ensured CoS members are unable to use the most important tool LRH promotes and called the universal solvent. I just don’t understand how they can be okay with an environment totally intolerant of open communication, when improved communication skills was a major reason many got involved in the first place.
The knowledge reports, PTS and “natter” concepts have been used by DM to ensure terrified, cowed silence in the face of his abuse and corruption. In fact, due to auditing I believe most bots live in fear of even having thoughts about his evil BS due to the chance it could come up during session and therefore those critical thinking skills atrophy. Bots are actually scared of their critical thinking skills and have to suppress them to avoid the many brutal repercussions that could result from using them. (Which is exactly what DM intended – no DM unapproved thoughts allowed, much less communication or conversation.)
Has there been any further information about Tommy’s wife? I surely hope if she is actually Ill as has been rumored, that he is actually by her side.
Unfortunately, since DM’s evil knows know bounds I could see him lying about an illness to explain both being MIA. There’s been too many examples of people blowing the SO and they try to keep the truth away from everyone possible. A few people commented that current SO members had no idea DC was out of the SO. However, I’ve not ever heard of a serious health issue being given as the cover story – usually just lie about a transfer or mission. Health problems are usually covered up in the cult, all the GAT OT’s getting cancer or dying in other ways doesn’t make DM look too good.
I was hoping maybe there had been more news on the grapevine about Jessica’s health, hopefully of the good kind.
Those insidious words on Ron Paul are from the mass media!!
Please, do not come here to contaminate the reputation of this Politician.
I’m sure is hands are more clean than yours…
Ho…wait…are you Karin Pouw ??
Just forward Debbie’s E-Mail believing she is still the FSO Captain and tell them she recommended you to do so. (Who said you had any Clue she was no longer on Staff? You thought you were only following FLAG Orders.)
No Riff-Raff, the message just gets forwarded painlessly.
Mike was the tipping point for me too 🙂
😛
‘funnerer’ 🙂
Good advice from Jim – that’s what I’ve found works too. Just keep your TRs in and handle each origination as it comes and be patient. Some thetans take longer to come out of the slumber.
🙂 ♥
Larry,
Knock off the conspiracy theory bullshit. Stop being a spokeshole for Miscavige. The real problem with Scientology is internal, not external. Get your f*cking ethics in. You’re so out of valence you don’t even know your out ethics.
Yep. After the IAS came on the scene, was when I no longer wanted to bring anyone into Scientology. To me, at that time, in the mid 1980s, Scientology WAS primarily the orgs , missions and their staff.
I made some contributions to the IAS and decided “well, I guess Scientology is not for me – I can’t afford it. And neither can most people I know.”
The whole IAS pitch was “You give us money and we’ll do it for you – you won’t have to do anything. We’ll create an ideal world for you, in which you will be able to go Clear or whatever. In the meantime you’ll get more case gain from donating to the IAS than from anything else you can do.”
They were making people feel ‘important’ and ‘special’ to get our money.
They totally had a succumb intention towards us, the opposite of what LRH intended per his lectures.
oh – this was my reply on your excellent Snowhite-profile!
T.O. This is one potent Salvo, you’ve just ‘aired’ here!
And here’s the rub, poor ‘defensive’ CO$ adherents:
Your “most defiant,resolute group the world has ever
seen ” The IAS, ( consisting of David Miscavige and
David Miscavige ONLY, sorry to break it to you.) is Not
there, to forward any of the purposes of LRH, but
merely another ‘front’ laboriously and cleverly created
to defraud, yes, DEFRAUD and rob you, literally of
your hard earned wealth, whatever size that may be!
Your wonderful new Ideal Orgs are, in reality,no more
then unsustainable Idle Morgues, (empty,empty,empty)
again, fraudulently PR’ed and crush-regged as the
‘New Golden Age of Unprecedented Expansion’ The
biggest shock to the massive contributors of these
excessively opulent Buildings, is that they will NEVER
belong to Scientologists, but become the sole holdings
of their exalted ‘Leader’ Mr David Misvcavige to be
leased back to the ‘proud’ ( but totally duped ) new
management!
Please, all you confused, frightened CO$ faithful,
just do what L.Ron Hubbard asked you to do ??
” Open your eyes and just LOOK ” You will find,
what you thought you were getting..you’re NOT!!
Hullo,sheeple, WEE-HOO! HULLO! Are YOU there?
’cause Real Scientology is over HERE! with the
Independents….ready to accept you when you
decide you’ve had enough!!!! Luv & ARC Li’ll bit
Excellent!
“I mean that’s an unfortunate via.”
Hello FOS,
yes, I think it was the same way all over the world. Mass engram.
But hey, it resulted in 70x expansion. 😛
https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/the-circus-comes-to-town-2/
Great Guitar!
+1. Thank you Oracle. One inconvenient truth is that the organization treated its members as expendable. Like throw-away help at a fast food chain. Larry probably has no idea how much he was trashed, I am sure. The 3rd dynamic of the church became heartless, and a far cry from the Christian upbringing I had. Thanks again for filling in some more of the story.
+1. Larry and I worked together in the mid-70’s. He was older than I, my senior, and I looked up to him. And i would like to see him back as well. Thanks Oracle.I dont know if Larry is still reading the blog. But marty would have his e-mail.
>making it difficult, or impossible to everyone
Suppressive alert!
I simply refused to watch DM’s DVD. I looked at it, it was put in my hands, there was great insistance that I get ‘with the materials on the DVD’ – but I looked at the physical DVD, itself, and made the following observation:
Was there *ANY* Scientology on that DVD?
No. There wasn’t.
Was there *any* LRH on that DVD? A single attribution to LRH on the graphics, the title, the packaging?
Nope.
Then, I will have nothing to do with it, or the people who promote it.
The terminals involved, imploded.
7:43 AM, CST: Good Morning America is about to cover the Debbie Cook story on TV… tune in fast and you can watch.
Its no less a slur than Wog, say, which was LRH’s term for the same ‘kind of individual’.
The fact is that there are wogs/koolaid’ers all throughout society. Sheeple. Drones. Wage Slaves, salarimen, ‘squares’.
Whatever you want to ‘call them’, its not a helpful thing to start a vital conversation with such individuals on the basis of a degrading slur.
Call those who fail to actually apply Scientology, non-Scientologists. There could be no better term for those in the Church, and out, who make the claim but don’t deliver the results. Certainly, degradation of others isn’t much use in the Scientology applied philosophy.
Stevie, here’s the link: https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/01/06/good-morning-america-meet-debbie-cook/
WH,
“Watching the pathetic “defriending” of Debbie Cook or her husband from people WHO KNOW BETTER, is simply showing how little respect they now have for humanity. It really does make me sad.”
Yes, Corporate Scientology’s ill-willed reaction to Debbie Cook’s e-mail
downgraded my perception of them as well. In fact, if I had any money on
account, I would seek a refund.
GMW
Well, but it is a rather derogatory remark, sir. There ought not be some caution given to rampant dramatization of the very personalities we’re attempting *not* to become, after all .. I see vehemence in “Kool Aid’er” like I hear hatred in “DB” ..
Sam,
Thanks for adding “Buddhists”. We come in a wide range of flavors, colors, and forms of activity.
May Debbie Cook and her husband be well and happy!
May all beings be well and happy!
GMW
John P,
Thanks. He was a great star in the Middle Ages, and he still shines for me today.
GMW
I sent Debbie’s email to some of my “friends” in the field.
One, a local HES, got in touch to handle me on it. The party line on Sunday was “you know she (Debbie) could have been implanted”.
Two points on this gambit. First, I had just learned three hours prior to this, that the church’s standard campaign against VIII’s that speak out is to say “he/she has been implanted; it’s the only explanation as to why he/she would do something so horrible”. And WHAM! the same line showed up 1,200 miles away in a completely different comm cycle! (and what’s so funny is that the people (church staff) who forward these lines, honestly think one cannot see through them!!!)
Second, the individual I had spoken with could not defend that position. I simply stated: You are asking me to prove a negative, which is impossible so your point is moot. And you can’t prove that she (Debbie) was implanted either. He stammered and stuttered for a bit and moved on.
Just thought I would share one of the PR lines and a defense for it.
Andy
“…time and pressure…”
Some (reporters) still don’t get it.
But at least they hint to the reformation code.
And most of them emphasize the differentiation from LRH vs “The Pope of Scientology”.
But, even the Pope (the catholic) is elected by a council by dozens of cardinals. Miscavige was not. He’s just a dictator. Debbie is right with her e-mail.
“Have you ever been PDH’d by a cat?”
WTF? Wouldn’t there be some place on the bridge where you are strong enough to resist implants, or other negative actions taken against you? Isn’t the purpose of auditing (one of them) to make you strong enough to rise above any of this? To not be a victim? To not be an unwanted effect?
So, if you are OT VIII now, you are a shrinking violet? Ah, that must be it!
Thanks, Andy.
Yes. Metta for all beings.
May Scientology come back to its philosophical roots without greed, blindness and ARC along all dynamics.
Hello Sunny, you wrote:
“The money and time invested are two huge reasons but there is another playing a huge factor – the pride & “toldya so!” I know more than a few people who got involved with Scientology did not have support from friends and family. People in their lives would tell them they were joining a cult. So besides time and money it’s the ego – having to admit to these friends & family they were right to a degree – or even worse you are totally isolated from all the people who used to care about you being forced to chose CoS over them due to disconnection.”
You can allways say that you still believe in the original teachings of Scientology and that they are the main reason you first started with Scientology. And finally you are glad to have found out what makes Scientology seem like it was a cult. That it’s not Scientology but it’s perverted administration on the highest echelons.
Nice summary.
After the “Wake up call” I stopped to disseminate.
I was a good FSM before, but after the “Wake Up Call” things went worse on SCN lines. I don’t wanted my people, friends and family being confronted with such confusion. IAS was major part of it.
Martin, you’re a wag par excellence!!!
John F, many of us have been around for years that includes Mr. Byrnes.
It is not about PR. Had we called a spade a spade long ago we would not be in this situation!
This is exactly why I took pains to end the paragraph, with what you cut off, ” (Getting down the road they may be able to explain the differences between Scientology and DM’s cult, but that would come later and not remove the initial sting.)”
I Waking up.
You are getting real TA action now.
Your wins will be commensurate with that. Persisit and you will get through it. You are doing the right thing.
Peace.
Tony
Hi Waking up!! 🙂
Comment trouver cette traduction ? How does one find the translation? Can you post it here? (with Marty’s permission)
Ah, the power of a well placed lie. Get’s the not quite bright every time.
There aren’t all that many that can hold their own space in this universe, never has been when you look at it, otherwise we wouldn’t be in this pickle.
OT umpty dump still suffers from 2nd phenomena and a host of other ills if the price of Freedom is yawned at.
Maybe, some who purport to chase Freedom don’t really want it at all or if they did stumble onto it, it might scare ’em to death. Freedom is a concept foreign to this universe, or more aptly stated has many definitions.
What does Freedom mean to you? is an interesting question to ask of the rank and file of RCS. You might be surprised at their answers.
Tu recherches avec Google (en français) “Message de Debbie Cook” et tu tombes sur un fichier pdf International Freezone, et voila
You just Google (google.fr) “Message de Debbie Cook” and you find a pdf file from International Freezone.
Bonne journée
Ah, parfait – merci ! Bonne journée à toi !
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