The following is my opinion along with the facts I base it on.
The Cruise camp’s only three utterances since the divorce filing of Holmes were:
1) First, reports that Tom Cruise was ‘suprised’ by the filing and was ‘saddened.’
2) Next came a ‘source’ from Cruise’s camp expressing dismay that people would think Scientology had anything to do with the matter since Katie had nothing but wonderful things to say about Scientology.
3) Cruise’s attorney Bert Fields taking the incredibly childish swipe at Katie for allegedly orchastrating the international media storm of the past week.
2 and 3 above give strong indication that Tom Cruise is still listening to his best man, Scientology Inc. cult leader David Miscavige. They both sound like vintage Miscavige.
As to the claim that they are so suprised because Katie only expressed ‘love’ for Scientology, that is right out of Miscavige’s well-worn strategy to use pressured, documented, positive utterances (called success stories) against former members in the following wise. Success stories are required after every Scientology Inc service (counseling or study courses) in which the individual puts in writing how the counselling or course changed his or her life for the better. Those succcess stories are the first thing that are mustered and organized for defense when a former member sues or speaks ill of Scientology Inc. to the media. Miscavige has Scientology Inc lawyers and hacks wave about previous success stories and claim that Scientology Inc. is shocked the person who wrote such stories has ‘suddenly’ had a change of heart. Along with that comes their baseless, shrill charges that the person must have been ‘deprogrammed’ by ‘enemies’ with horrid, anti-religious motives.
As to #3, Miscavige and Scientology Inc can’t help but play the victim with queer media conspiracy theories. Has Katie Holmes made a single utterances publicly about the divorce in the past week? No. Yet, the august, venerable Bert Fields snidely claims as a fact that Katie has been working the media against poor Tom.
Based on Miscavige’s white-collar-criminal/abusive-wealthy-corporation way of going about business of late, here is how I see Miscavige/Cruise dealing with this unprecedented public relations flap.
Well before the first court appearance, or next filing in the case, that could set off further media storms, aggressively and intensively negotiate the case to settlement.
Likely terms Miscavige/Cruise will obtain at an astronomical price (Miscavige may even need to dip into Scientology Inc’s war chest to help pay the price):
a) Katie signs a document that indicates there is to be joint/equal custody of the daughter of Tom and Katie. However, there will be a side agreement (that will sit locked up in their lawyer’s safes) that gives Katie sole custody, control over education, and some visitation rights to Tom.
b) Katie signs a document that indicates that Scientology was never an issue nor consideration in the filing for divorce.
Miscavige and Scientology Inc hacks then make the media and their sources wrong for having allegedly jumped the gun to insinuate Scientology into the matter in order to bludgeon Scientology Inc, Miscavige and Cruise.
Miscavige, at bottom, loves the victim card and when his back is against the wall he always plays it, and plays it well. He has, and will, pay untold sums of money to orchastrate the apparancy that he and Scientology Inc. were the victims.
The scenario I predict (buy silence at any price) is precisely what he did earlier this year when former member Debbie Cook testified that Miscavige ordered her to be tortured by associates (see post, Debbie Cook Tells The Hole Truth). He has been doing it for thirty years. The price to accomplish it keeps getting higher. While the price will likely be in a whole new strata when it comes to Katie Holmes, Cruise and Miscavige have plenty of cheese in their Scientology Inc. war chest to pull it off.
In the brave new world of Miscavige/Cruise’s Scientology Inc., image is the only thing.
Update: For those unfamiliar with the character of Miscavige, this just in from the BBC’s John Sweeney writing for the UK Independent, Sweeney on Miscavige.
UPDATE 7/9/12: Village Voice Acknowledges Accuracy of Prediction.
Moving On Up a Little Higher 
#2 and #3 above show what is wrong with Scientology. Why lie about obvious things just to try to be mean and intimidating? It is failing to have that valence from the top down and very Un-religious.
It would be better if you did not use this enturbulated family matter for your own aggrandisment !
You are correct in this up coming divorce gala.
Although how much money the ” Manwife” and Tom
will spend to purchase Katie will no doubt be enormous,
I would like to know.
Like Katie hush money could purchase a Nimitz Class aircraft carrier?
or bankroll a fully staffed Moonbase?.
Boggles the mind.
Very very sad if it does play out this way. I had high hopes that Tom might have finally been jolted into looking at the deeper truths here and realising that with a BFF like Miscavige who needs enemies?
It’s interesting how the media are using census reports to debunk DM’s lies about explosive growth. DM has directed his minions to lie so much that they have about zero credibility with the public. I don’t think it matters if DM plays the victim or not anymore. From what I can tell, the general public consensus is that if comes from corporate Scientology, it’s a lie. Let him keep lying. The more, he lies, the deeper the media dig to expose him and make a public of mockery of him and his church. They seem to enjoy doing this at this point. It’s almost as if the media are trying to get even for all of DM’s strong arm legal tactics against them in the past. Karma’s a bitch.
Marty, you are absolutely right.
I’ve no doubt, Miscavige and his trained seal will follow your prediction like the script of a “B” movie – a horror movie at that.
Ummm, where is Heber? What about Alex… how is Karen, is she making any progress??
I don’t give a shit about your celebrity gossip at this point. SORRY!!
Even if things goes as you say, Corporate Scientology still comes out smelling like a skunk. People don’t believe a word Miscavige says and Cruise’s PR isn’t much better. The negative articles in the press aren’t slowing down and I doubt Miscavige making them wrong (and himself right) will lessen their thirst for blood. Given DM’s penchant for creating bad press I think we can count on him to turn this into an even bigger mess, no matter how the divorce matter ends.
At the end of the day if Katie Holmes and her daughter are safely away from Miscavige, all is well, no matter what it takes to get there.
“In the brave new world of Miscavige/Cruise’s Scientology Inc., image is the only thing.”
I would clarify that to say image is the only thing as seen from the eyes of his loyal followers. It is impossible to believe that Cruise, Miscavige and the cult of Scientology come out the winners in the opinions held by anyone other than the remaining loyal cultists. That virtually all the rest of the world’s population with an Internet connection or access to a TV is laughing at Tom, at him and at the cult he heads is apparently not a big deal.
Actually, there was an even more odd sentence in the Bert Fields statement that also sounds like vintage Miscavige, in further support of your assertion that Miscavige is already playing the “victim” card internally. Fields said,
In other words, “we’ll let the opposition run the score up to 42,000,000 to nothing before we get in the game and respond with our foolproof PR strategy that we just know will wow the ‘wog’ world into stunned silence and then we’ll dance to victory and score a major victory for the Church of Scientology and for Tom.”
There are touching, heroic come-from-behind victories that make great TV movies, and then there is detachment from reality.
You are surely spot on as alway – image, image, image tweaked by the self-styled master-genius. Msicavige tans, fancy motorcycles and digs, the glitzy buildings are all supposed to represent what Miscavige is trying to represent: [Misvagabe’s idea of] perfection, beauty, wealth and some kind of esoteric philosophic “Godliness and triumph over evil”. I would say that is the “brand” Miscagave is trying to build. Unfortunately some other images come to mind unbidden these days, so the brand now includes silencing of critics by means abhorrent to most humans; filthy tactics intended to slime whistleblowers that end up backfiring onto the source of the degraded crap that is supposed to “dead-agent” the whistleblowers. Top that off with TRYING to look like the victim, but looking like LIERS – like the “wives” and over-the-top transparent keep-in-step press that continues to spew forth.
Meantime, Marty and others, have managed to show what is possible by people of good will simply trying their best (without warchests and so-called great celebrities to front for them) to actually help decent people have a better life. And that by using respect and decency toward others, it is a win for all mankind. Damn. What a concept.Different image.
Miscavage. Fail.
It makes sense. But now that you have boxed them in and predicted their moves, will they take another track just to make you wrong? Probably not. But they must be tempted. Making you wrong may be hard to pass up.
As you say Marty, this program is already being executed. Nothin’ to do now but report compliance.
Right Katie?
Don’t knuckle under to these cats. You’d be doing a great disservice to mankind if you do. We’re trying to reform the corporate church and need all the help we can get.
Hi Marty! Hope you’re enjoying the Independence party!
Great post! Miscavige can’t get away with anything right now without being fully exposed to the rest of the planet. With so much to hide, he’s probably really reeling right now.
I concur.
“orchastrate” is not spelled correctly.
It looks like the IAS will have to step up their game. That kind of hush money could buy 100 Idle orgs sans staff raises. Bill
MIscavige should re-write the policy on “what your donations buy”….It reminds me of all of the Reg cycles I’ve had and how I was told how badly the money was needed, or the the world would end if they didn’t get the money now (or before 2 on Thursday :-)).
Glad to see all of those “Third Dynamic” theta flows to the “expansion of Scientology and the good for all of mankind” is going to good use. I can really see know how buying Katie Holmes’ silence makes such a difference in the expansion of Scientology, considering they will pay her from money collected from my friends that emptied out IRA’s, 401K’s, college funds, and told their parents (at the suggestion of the regges) that they were “in trouble,” just so they could get money. Non Scientology parents mortgaged their homes, cashed out other investments to help their children because they thought they were in “trouble.” They did what ever it took so that Scientology could “make it” and the church would be protected. That was the greatest good. I am really glad to see that all of that extorted money obtained under false pretenses is going to good use. I can see now that in order to stay in the fold, you have to assume the beingness of Miscavige. You have to become a “Mini Me.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkmi_UTsjtE
Paying off Katie Holmes’ is protecting the church? If the church was really practicing Scientology and getting out products, they wouldn’t need to “protect it,” because the public would have their own reality on the workability of the tech. Since they are not doing that however, the church needs to buy people! Makes me sick.
If only my Kool Aid drinking friends LOOKED to see what their financial overts was actually buying, then they would have a little BPC like me. 🙂
I know its off subject but hows the weekend been, all you indies that attended? Bill
I honestly don’t think Katie will fold or compromise her daughter’s future. She has her parents behind her and her own career. I doubt this is about money. As she has said little, one can only guess. I like the fact that she
has hired new bodyguards that have no association with TC, gotten herself a new cell number and engaged some pretty high powered attorneys.
From what I’ve seen in the media in the last 6 months, TC has been very tight lipped on the subject of scientology so I’m still hoping he will wake up.
Hope all of you are having a great time at the Indie Party! Maybe next year I’ll make an appearance.
Had to post this. Headline: Tom Cruise in ‘Major Crisis Mode’
http://celebs.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981461735
Totally agree 100%. My additional two thoughts are:
1) Lil’ Tommy will only go so far relinquishing his star-worn capital (even POB knows how far to push his media star before he breaks, and he can’t have that). Therefore, Lil’ Davy will have to cough up the rest – and it will be a pretty penny for sure – largest outlay to date. But, he’ll just turn around and demand some still bludgeoned koolaiders to replenish his war chest and he’ll be right as rain again. Or so he thinks, as the holes in the dyke become serious fractures.
2) “Image is everything” to Lil’ (Simon) Davy (i.e., if he can’t glow it right, he’ll just strangle somebody!). This is truly ironic since the RCS cult has the lowest PR, appeal, word of mouth (inside and out), induction rate, worst tech and worst media in its sorry recent history. Only its self-annointed pope thinks he’s fixing the image of the church. He’s a joke.
P.S. Loved your book!
i agree 100% with you Victoria !
Amazing that you can’t see how this is all related.
I agree with Marty. Katie’s first priority is her daughter and her family. She’s not the person to do this. However, with the exception of TMZ, who are Team Tom, the press isn’t going to buy Scientology’s spin. Lisa Marie is probably a better person to do real damage, but she’s seems unwilling.
What’s so enturbulated about this family matter? A woman and her child are getting away from a vicious, brutal cult run by a psychopath who happens to be best friends with the husband of the soon to be ex-wife. Enturbulated? Look at the recent photos of Katie Holmes. She looks happy; the best she’s looked in ages!!!
I say this calls for a celebration, unless of course you’re Tom Cruise or David Miscavige.
bob, you missed “apparancy”.
Charlie P – Whut?? Uh, sure. You mean, because Marty is actually right, and telling the truth, and saying he knows what the deal is? Right, Charlie, only DM is allowed to be right which of course makes him the greatest ever ever ever.
Did the Sovients ever stop using their same old propagadist heavy handed techinques against the West or thier own dissenters? No way. Because the point is not what the outside world knows or can see is obvious. Its about keeping the theta-slaves on the plantation.
Marty,
Do you think Tom Cruise is the new #2 guy in the church of scientology?
It’s absolutely insane that a church would help pay off a members divorcing spouse. Not saying your wrong in your assesment of the situation Marty, but it blows my mind that anyone would do this.
I suspect you are correct Marty in that things will be settled
between Tom and Katie behind closed doors.
Several stories that this is in progress but I have no idea if
they are correct.
Best I know you don’t know Katie and I certainly don’t.
To agree with settlements that are secret and publically state another settlement is happening is a lie.
I see no reason for Katie to lie. She has the whiphand, why compromise her integrity? As you advised, Tom should give her everything she asks for. She hasn’t asked to be a lier or compromise her integrity.
Dateline NBC’s doing a show on the Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes split and the Church tonight. It’ll be in the 2nd segment starting around 8:30 PM EDT.
If one sets all the fanfare aside, I just wonder what this Tom Cruise character is actually doing, what is the truth to him, what would crack his case beyond the fear of “everyone” finding out about him. It is rather obvious he’s far from being free in any stretch of the imagination. Lawyers are his ‘auditors’ now.
After 10 years on the front line in a Scientology Class 4/5 Org I was never ceased to be amazed when a “popular & likeable” person wobbled on lines all manner of tech & policy was ignored to appease what was thought of “not to upset” this most popular of people.
LRH was right in that, it’s a silly thing to become famous – all manner of tech & policy gets perverted around you. The only route out for anyone (IMHO) is a standard interview, a good C/S, auditor & ethics officer and your feet firmly planted on the Bridge.
Whose kidding themselves that the likes of Tom Cruise, Miscavige and anyone connected to them arent in a very dark place. They have corrupted Scientology – I can’t think of a worse crime that could be committed.
Do the ususal? Boy, what is that in this circumstance?
I like an old military saying – it’s a rock show!
Its a lot of speculations and evaluation re Kate /homes at this point /
all to do with what might / what if / and from rathburns evaluation and clear data its open for anything that buys with money / Silence is the worm
/I will say the press in the UK is hammering / Todays on line Daily Mail UK has a long write up on Karen De Le Carrie’s situation with her son , and the denial of viewing son’s body from in-laws. I think the pressure should be kept up and reforced/
This scenario should have top prioroty Heber / karens son, the
pressure should continue on for an open investigation and get questions answered.
I cant see why on earth an escort protection cant be carried out
and grant Karen a police escort visit to Hemet, Based Assuming Heber is listed as a “missing Person ” officially ? Requesting ex wife notification in person to her ex Husband of this death since they both had this son together.What power does the corp of scientology think they have
( In this case one has only one source to question who makes the rules this being DM ) and on which goverment authorthy backing
has he got this ? Since when does the church have ownership over blood related families and by what law if they are in the the Church of Scientology and no one is notified / by what law is this ? if So ? . I don’t think any one signed up for that .
A correction on the time for Dateline NBC’s segment. It’s 7:30 PM EDT
BTW, NBC’s Rock Center will cover the split and the church at 10 PM EDT this Thursday, July 12th.
I’m sure Katie has nothing but nice things to say about Scientology. For real. They have had the unique experience of actually having people care about them because of their celebrity status. If every Scientologist had been treated as they were, nobody would have anything bad to say about Scientology. Apparently David Miscavige and everybody else in the Sea Org and on staff is so fucking PTS to the middle class that you have to be in the 1% of the upper upper class on the planet before you can have a decent experience in the Church o Scientology. Tom and Katie actually do NOT HAVE A CLUE about what it means to be involved in Scientology. Since the “Scientology experience” they have had is unique only to them. If everyone were treated with the same respect and consideration, there wouldn’t be a problem. I doubt David Miscavige has been bitchslapping Tom and Katie? I doubt they were fed rice and beans? I doubt Katie was ordered for an abortion and I doubt Tom and Katie ever spent a day on the RPF. I doubt they were ignored in the courserooms. I doubt they have ever been assigned a condition. I doubt they were kicked out on the street or comm eved. These people HAVE NO RIGHT to be spokespeople or representatives of Scientology. They don’t have a CLUE about Scientology as it really is. In this regard, they too HAVE BEEN SCAMMED!
“If the church was really practicing Scientology and getting out products, they wouldn’t need to “protect it,” because the public would have their own reality on the workability of the tech. Since they are not doing that however, the church needs to buy people! Makes me sick.”
So true! Exactly!
Look at the huge out P.R. created because DM can’t stop ser facing on Karen De! How can one think after this he can make decisions based on the greatest good? He should have been at the door of her home with flowers. How much effort would it have taken him to use this opportunity to reach out to someone and make mutual healing? There sits the little runt behind a desk, under a rock, out in the desert, ser facing ON A CLASS 12 C/S TRAINED BY HUBBARD! He DOES NOT HAVE THE ALTITUDE TO SER FAC on her and this is why it is backfiring all over the place.
I have already had three phone calls from people in the Church in good standing telling me “THIS IS IT, I’M OUT OF HERE WITH MY KIDS!”
And, the blind little bully is doing this HIGH PROFILE in the back drop of Tom’s custody dispute!
I’m sorry, he is FUCKING STUPID! Anyone who claimed he is “brilliant, intelligent or smart” IS SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION!
He is Scientology Yakuza sans tattoos! Dense, glib, blind, stupid, flashy pimp from Philly.
And hang on to your seats because the fire works aren’t over. He can’t use or think with ethics so he can’t pull him or the Church out of this tsunami. He has steered the entire activity into a condition of confusion with the out tech, wrong indications, lies and scams. He is an ethics particle all the way. You KNOW what condition he is in and the Church is in and the corporate Scientology culture is in. CONFUSION.
Expect things to ONLY GET WORSE. This is SCIENCE. I predict not more than eight days go by before the next HUGE aftershocks! HEADLINES!
Charlie, What’s actually occurring is exposure of a criminal organization that’s responsible for destroying families and committing serious violations against human rights. But you probably already know that.
If the COS pays off members, how does this affect their non-profit status ? Hasn’t their non-profit status already been violated with DM’s personal wealth and the IAS ? Doesn’t the IRS still have to see their books to ensure compliance of codes and regulations ? (So sad that a few get a lot of money and ‘toys’, yet most staff member and SO often get paid $50 per week after or less when COS decides..)
NY Times: Tom Cruise, Katie Holmes Eye Settlement: Reports
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/07/08/arts/08reuters-tomcruise-katieholmes.html?_r=1&hp
Well we know what David Miscaivge’s next moves are. But it remains to be seen what Katie’s are. She’s already out-played him once and she knows she has back-up. I don’t believe she’s going to go down quietly the same way as Debbie Cook and Nichole Kidman but it’s clear that she will do whatever it takes to protect her child and in that she has my full love and support and that of many others (including my own children).
Go Katie! xxx
Has anyone asked DM how many column inches have been printed in the last week about the abuses of scientology? And how many inches it is to the sun and back?
Nice slap!
Hi Amy. We’re having a great time. I’m voting for the great northwest for next year.
Ooooh! Can I be a cheerleader too? You so rock victoria! Boooo! Bad uncaring Marty!
How dare YOU use Karen and Heber to forward YOUR agenda you sanctimonious sack of shit… (sorry for the bad language guys)
Miscavige and Cruise can agonize all they want over Corporate Scientology’s image. But its image now sucks so bad that nothing will ever rehabilitate it. The following hilarious video on youtube by two clever fellows illustrates how the world regards Corporate Scientology:
The chief benefit of Katie v. Tom thus far is an emboldened press that, although it sometimes gets the facts wrong, is no longer afraid of swinging for the bleachers when reporting on Corporate Scientology. The things published about the cult in the last two weeks online and in newsprint make the Time 1991 story read like a bedtime story.
Regardless of how the legal settlements turn out and no matter what their terms are, thank you, Katie Holmes.
“I’m voting for the great northwest for next year.”
Agree!!! I will help put it together!!!!!
Love,
Anat
Portland, OR
I am inclined to agree with you. One thing about the high profile celebs – they’ve got TONS of money and thus are likely much less susceptible to the inevitable buyoff attempts.
I mean, how could anyone buy off Lisa Marie? What the hell, she could probably buy off Miscavige if she wanted to. Maybe that’s what she meant by “You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet”.
One can always fantasize . . .
Yes; this little psychotic tyrant will deplete the coffers of his ill-gotten treasures to keep his crimes hidden.
Good call Marty. It’s now just a matter of time.
Yeah, it sucks to be BFFs. Especially the implanted one.
Consider that perhaps Katie didn’t want to pull a Shelly…………..
Update added to post: For those unfamiliar with the character of Miscavige, this just in from the BBC’s John Sweeney writing for the UK Independent, Sweeney on Miscavige at http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/faith/this-is-what-happens-when-scientologists-come-after-you-7923556.html.
We’re fully capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time, Victoria. Like Max said, all of these stories are inter-related, and they all spring from one source – David Miscavige.
Marty,
I told myself ever since I’ve be following your blog that I’m not going to kiss your ass the way today’s Scientologists kiss DM’s ass. I don’t want to contribute to another disaster. I want to question you the way I questioned Scientology from day one. But your evaluations here are so insightful that I can’t help but give you my complete admiration for what what you have to say. Your insight here is truly revealing in a way that only someone in your position could understand. I want to thank you for what you’re doing and I hope you will continue until everyone can practice Scientology the way it was intended.
Great article. Had to laugh at Sweeney’s “exploding tomato” comment. Poor man, it’s a miracle he survived all that was thrown his way.
In case Katie Holmes’ father and lawyers had any doubts, this article will set them straight.
I have already had three phone calls from people in the Church in good standing telling me “THIS IS IT, I’M OUT OF HERE WITH MY KIDS!”
Kudos to those parents. Obviously, they’ve lifted the blinders enough to take a look at the storm raging outside their windows, and are doing what good parents ought to — getting their loved ones the HELL out of there.
Tell you what. I’ll bet those three families are only the tip of the iceberg. The tide has turned. The exodus has begun.
I really don’t think Ms. Holmes needs the (dirty) money on her books. You know you’re rich when you have to pay other people to count it for you, i.e. I doubt she’d even notice it, and not everyone can be bought, certainly not with a muting agreement that might in the future affect her daughter.
This is not just a divorce from her husband: it is a divorce from the tentacles of the Co$ imposing beliefs. Additionally, her Hollywood image might suffer if word leaked of such an agreement, accepting money in exchange for silence. Despite Hollywood being Hollywood, it is NOT all about the money. It really never is. Money counts, yes, but the truly great minds and beings of the world have stated plainly that it is far from everything. It is lesser mentality that places money above integrity.
bingo—–
“I would clarify that to say image is the only thing as seen from the eyes of his loyal followers.”
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And it will be written in the freedom rag. We are under attack, but “again” won’t be mentioned and “it was because of my actions by DM” won’t be written. That will be hidden from the followers as they will not be able to connect the dots or see the big picture. It’s a small world inside the “followers”. Funny, because the followers are supposed to expand in their viewpoints, it’s on the tone level scale thingie, chart of attitudes thingie.
sam, despite all the good things i have heard about you, and even the respect i have for what you have been through. you just always seem to be there to “slam” your personal brand of “ethics” in. i’m just not on board. been there, done that.
i see the inter-relation. but i will never in a billion years give little davey that much credit. plus, i just want to know what is going on with heber, karen, and the situation with alex. one of these things, in present time, is not like the other.
Come on, the Karen issue is but a symptom of the evil organization built by dm. Finish him, and that will no longer happen.
Hubbard was a big student of PR. All dm had to do was to follow the PR Series and the book Hubbard followed. But no, the dwarf knows better.
I don’t understand. I thought one of the security check or PTS questions was something like a person should not be given special favors in auditing and training? Am I wrong? I also refer to the book Problems of work.
One of the definitions of postulate is strong expectation. In other words what you really expect to happane actually does happen. With all the occurrences of the last two weeks, I would like to pose the question to the group. What do you expect to happen in the next 3 month with Co$ and it’s supreme leader dm? Let’s go beyond KH and TC in that.
thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And what you said also goes for all the mega IAS/Super Power big bucks donators of MONEY to the cause.
Thus, DM gets Marty to be a super duper auditor to audit Mr Mega Bucks, TC and the rest of the high rollers. And he, DM, thought, he had Marty in his pocket.
And the lowly staff think this is great that we got such Celebrity’s on board. OMG, if they only knew the truth, the real stats.
“These people HAVE NO RIGHT to be spokespeople or representatives of Scientology. They don’t have a CLUE about Scientology as it really is. In this regard, they too HAVE BEEN SCAMMED!”
God damn Oracle. Truth you speak.
Thank you Marty for all that you do. I don’t post that much, but I read your blog regularly. I remember in Scientology I was told that the tech. would solve any problem, but lately I see nothing but victims. In the early 80s I took the course “Essentials of Dianetics” which went through Book One in detail. I loved every minute of it and helped a friend at work with the tech. I saw the “magic” that it was. But in 82 I saw a different side. A side of hate and “victimhood.” It wasn’t want I learned… It wasn’t what I believed. I wish everyone involved the best and hope that the true tech can be applied that I grew to learn and love.
on Wall Street, it’s called TRANSPARENCY. Or, lets see Mr Company, you say this and this, well prove it.
Moderator, miscavigeisscaredofsam deserves a red tag.
don’t you just love freedom to express yourself, to state your opinions. To state what you think is right or wrong. What is good or bad.
Sorry about all of the yelling. This thing with Karen’s son has been the most entrubulating experience since I read what they did to Scott Campbell. Running a “can’t have” on her with a dead body! Of all the things Scientology was NOT supposed to do! Can imagine Hubbard ever doing something so utterly ridiculous? Just to ser fac! What damage is she going to do to the body? This story will bleed through time over and over and over again like a ghost sitting on top of the Church of Scientology. Just because DM could not rise above a ser fac. He might have been paranoid before traveling with a circus of body guards (as if any one gave a fuck about him) , but now, yes, he had better have a body guard. He just every MOTHER IN THE WORLD hate him and the Church of Scientology! How many MORE people will you BLOW OFF David. IDIOT!
Sorry typo, I meant: He just made every MOTHER IN THE WORLD hate him and the Church of Scientology!
I’m for that. Thanks.
I agree. I never have nor never will kiss somebodies ass.
to get ahead that is. the only security there is – is in you. As LRH says.
Kiss my ass, I say. But, I won’t allow another to do it.
that tech is on the many backs of many people, and still is. Thanks for communicating. Please do so more as it is the universal solvent. When in doubt, communicate. Sorry, I’m just talking.
Sniff, sniff, sniff… Hmmm… I smell a troll!
Oracle, you are so right about them not having a clue to what regular Scn’s experience. I remember one time when i was in the SO, the senior execs where all in a flutter over a berthing issue. I asked somebody what the heck was going on as I had never seen the exec’s really care about berthing issues. I was told that or Org had a new recruit who just happened to be a member of one of the richest families in the USA, if not the planet. I remember when i arrived at the org it was like pulling teeth to get a blanket and pillow for my bed from the Dir RAM. But in this situation the whole upper strata of a major SO Org where pulling out the red carpet and laying it themselves with great care for a new recruit from the 1%.
one of these things, in present time, is not like the other.
If you mean that a celebrity divorce is not the same as the untimely and unfortunate death of a perfectly healthy young man, then I’d say, yes, I agree with you.
No one’s trying to take away from, or diminish the tragedy of Alex Jentzsch’s death, but there’s a source point of dark influence that is common to that incident, and the Cruise/Holmes divorce. It’s that insidious and diabolical influence that most here are correctly targeting.
Thank you… That mean so much.
If I would have to write the plot, I’d have another layer arranged in the dark: DM arranging or provoking tensions/split up in order to get a tighter grip on Tom. If I look from the “who benefits?”-viewpoint this seems to shine through. Tom, Cathie and Suri I see on the losing side, alike.
I am also sick of emotional blackmail and extortion. “Pay me to keep my mouth shut”.
IF Katie Holmes is demanding buckets of cash to “never discuss Scientology”, that is straight up extortion.
I don’t like it when people threaten parents with loss of their children either. I don’t think the CofS should be doing this and it goes both ways. I don’t think Katie Holmes should be doing it either. Nicole’s children call Katie “Mom”. They don’t even acknowledge Nicole’s role as a mother! That is fucked. Now they are getting thrown under the bus with Tom. Threatening Tom in any way that he will lose his daughter is fucked too. This is setting the children up for losses! Not cool! What the Church did to Karen’s son making him choose was cruelty. What the Church did to Nicole’s kids was cruelty. Using children as pawns in a game or using them instruments to torture another human is WRONG! Children should not be used as weapons! That is very covert child abuse. And I’ve seen some posts on Village Voice of people now using Karen’s son’s situation to knock HER in the dirt. And there is a person who has a history of using people’s children and / or their mishaps to unmock and slander people on the net. Using the children as weapons. A culture that can not take care of it’s young is not a culture worth living in. This is the Church of Scientology’s biggest outpoint. It is an outpoint in any one who can not rise to this trust. Not only with their own children but other people’s children too!
Pat,
Yes the “enturbulated” old line. That’s what my nephew told me by text phone message when I got out, He said this is too enturbalating for me when I got declared,
These blokes are oozing out of the wood grain lately…
Hey Charlie P., are you proud to be a member of the clubbed seals? It’s really much better for everyone’s ARC=U, including your own, if you would get your confront in and just say what’s really on YOUR mind, instead of what’s being fed to you to say.
Still hopeful here that may happen Martin. As has been observed, Cruise has been unusually quiet of late on the subject, perhaps a little introspection… which doesn’t hurt anyone now and then.
Tom’s star rose in the 80s, right? He just did a musical set around 80s music, too, right?
Hey, Tom, assuming you don’t have people just plain filtering out this ‘site, and protecting you from the (help me out here, Scientology folks, what’s the term for bad news or things the church doesn’t like to hear or so forth?) stuff, here’s a little music video for you. Erm, for your handlers to tell you is on this ‘site.
You can watch and enjoy too, Miscavige. Although I question your ability to appreciate music…
Ditto on all TO. Just need to say this, and really mean it:
Psychiatrists of every hue and persuasion would be hard
pressed ( make that flummoxed ) to come up with enough
diagnostic terms to describe this cretin, Miscavige!.
He simply defies description, in every sense of the word!
And you both missed “orchastrate” 🙂
Oooopppsss I clicked the reply by mistake
I meant “utterances”
And IF Katy Holmes has done her research and has decided she does NOT want to be connected to Scientology she should come out and tell the world WHY. She should tell the world about David Miscavige. She should tell anyone who could possibly be harmed in any way WHY. IF she feels the current culture under David Miscavige is destructive, she should be warning other people, not taking pay offs to keep quiet.
And IF Katy Holmes has woken up to find she has been scammed by David Miscavige through illusion, she should be suing HIM directly!
All the media hype, hyper-gonzo – so far – has been made up, purely from from bygone news, and half of that embellished. Neither have said anything publicly themselves, so far.
So what do we have? We have opinion, some of that highly valued opinion from experienced few, but little else. The rest we will have to wait to see.
Me, I hope for big news, from her, that Katie did in fact leave because of the concerns and pressures from Miscavige and her “assigned handlers”, and to hear from Tom himself, waking up and coming out to save his precious family. WOULDN’T THAT BE NEWS !! I don’t think that’s too far out there, but out there it merely is at this point.
Then again, if Katie just turned away from the entire scene with her daughter, and if Tom said nothing further about it, that too would be classy enough for me.
Based on everything I am learning from former church members, I simply cannot fathom that Tom Cruise or John Travolta are simply unaware of what is going around them in the CoS including the slave/abuse treatment of members by Lord Vader. And due to their public power and personal wealth, I just don’t understand why secrets told in auditing sessions would be a concern for them if leaked. Wouldn’t the later result in the worse legal nightmare for CoS? If a recorded audit session leaked, wouldn’t CoS have a HUGE nightmare to deal with? What about tit for tat? If Lord Vader even threatened to release secrets of a celeb, can’t the celeb threaten back with even worse secrets about the organization? Something doesn’t fit right, and I cannot pinpoint it. Perhaps it is just me who is putting too much weight on the observational skills of TC and JT and others. Truly they could be brainwashed, but even a grade school student can clearly see the harm going on with Lord Vader. If the celebs truly know what is going on (like how all you former executives knew what is going on), and the celebs have the power of the public on their side (in general)… why are they so terrified to speak up? Don’t they realize their own power at being a celeb? Jason Beghe is pretty out spoken, but I have yet to see any secret auditing footage leaked on him. Perhaps it then boils down to…. Tom Cruise has zero ethical standards, consciously chooses to ignore human rights violations, prefers to ignore the harmful behavior of Lord Vader, and thus is criminally guilty of contributing to the crimes. As it stands now, I feel I am a fan of Kate once again. But if it turns out that she does nothing in terms of exposing the CoS even a little bit, well I just cannot retain my fanship anymore. I respect her privacy and protection over Suri, and thus not wanting to get into a huge ordeal with CoS… but there comes a time when these people need to speak up, for the sakes of the thousands of CoS members being abused and mistreated. Quite disappointing to see all this non-cunning present. Lord Vader’s behavior is so cookie-cutter, entry-level bullying… I just can’t figure out why he hasn’t been squashed yet via a highly strategic coordinate effort. It is obvious though Lord Vader’s empire will implode from within. Almost every PR tactic backfires, and actually increases more awareness about the true nature of the church. I just don’t know if I can wait a decade or more for the implosion to occur. I personally have to do something about this, since Tom Cruise won’t.
Victoria and Plvs Ultra — Karen#1 is keeping her own counsel as to her immediate next steps. The steps are, indeed, hers to take — not Marty’s. She is Alex’s mother. We are all Karen’s friends.
I know that Karen is planning a memorial service for Alex next week. If you are friends of hers, you will have already been invited. If not, you can send her your condolences here or via her Web site. You could also post your condolences on a thread for her at ESMB.
I can tell you are hurting about this. Please channel your rage about Alexander’s untimely and mysterious death and Karen’s sorrow into something that will strike a blow at the source of all this pain — David Miscavige and the Cult of $cientology.
Peace to us all,
JM
Why do so many people believe it seems that if DM goes “all” that is bad about Scientology will go away to? 🙂 I admit DM has some very bad out-points he needs corrected and if it costs him his job then it was well worth the effort. But many people don’t seem to notice too much, people like myself {who was kidnapped almost across a state border for brainwashing by the church” LONG LONG before DM ever came around to do anything anybody has anything to say about him doing. What about those people? They are the good guys who were influenced by him? No, they are the bad guys upon whom he bases his current activities. If he goes, they all should go. 🙂
The side agreement is there to enforce the primary agreement?
And once the bad guys in Scientology are gone who then shall replace them? A slight power struggle here to dominate Mankind again?
You are right, I don’t think Katie could be bought with money since she is doing this for her daughter…but what if Tom Cruise’s attorneys make one of the conditions for her getting full custody of Suri that she (Katie) signs a statement saying that the COS had nothing to do with her decision and/or that she will never speak ill of the COS and DM? I’m sure she would sign that if it guaranteed full custody of Suri. I wouldn’t blame her…..Would Tom Cruise give up custody of Suri to save the COS from scandal? I’m not sure but, sadly, I think he might….I wish he would open his eyes and realize what he is losing thanks to the COS and DM…
That would be great!
Love it!
I love it when you get pissed………….. :-)))
lol
It was reported in the media that Katie is smiling first time in 5 years and they are happy she is out. Obviously there is some outness with DM Cruise operations.
Knock off the back step victoria. We all want to know about Alexander, and a host of other things I dare say even more so than Tom & Katie, but what gives you the right to butt in like a mouthful of tobacco spit to make Marty wrong in the process?
This story seems to confirm negotiations and settlements,
“After checking with a number of solid sources close to both Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, I’ve learned the couple went through very intense — but very civil — divorce negotiations over the weekend.” …
http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/13667750-421/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-keeping-their-cool-during-divorce-talks.html
At the end of the day, the celebrities, the rich people, the influential people get the same Black Dianetics like everybody else.
No wonder he has set the new purpose for the Church of Scientology to “Smash the psychs”. I am sure he is a textbook case for them.
I am not surprIsed at TC but I’m surprised at John Travolta. From what I’ve seen, he is a nice guy. He has been victimized by Co$. He should know that whatever they have on him will dissipate when they publish it. He is a movie star, not a politician.
Thank you Oracle. Straight talking and oh so true! imo
From the article:
“While specific custody issues over daughter Suri remain a sticking point, it appears that Holmes will walk away with many more millions than the estimated $15 million she’s supposedly entitled to in the couple’s prenuptial agreement.
There likely will be a Holmes pledge to never talk about Cruise, her marriage or the Church of Scientology.
In short, no tell-all book or Barbara Walters-style interviews.”
Mike, Marty, and everyone else on here: Considering the way things are going these days, I thought you might enjoy this song parody I did.
Pete
Bitter Defrocked Apostates
(Tune of Eve of Destruction by Barry McGuire)
The C of S, it is implodin’,
The stats are crashin’, attendance erodin’,
You’ve got nothing to show for all your devotin’,
And DM’s got a cough from all his chain smokin’,
And even the Freewinds has trouble floatin’,
But you tell me, over and over and over again my friend,
That you don’t believe those bitter defrocked apostates!
Don’t you understand, what we’re trying to say?
Espees smell the fear that you’re feelin’ today!
You’ve been pushed and pushed, you should be running away,
When DM goes to Bulgravia, there’ll be no church to save-ia,
What goes on at int base boy, is bound to scare you, boy,
But you tell me, over and over and over again my friend,
That you don’t believe those bitter defrocked apostates!
You’re life’s so restricted, feels like strangulation,
Just admit that blowing is what you’re contemplatin’.
Your church is so twisted, it begs for regulation,
Senator Xenophon wants to pass legislation.
The whole clam scene is disintegratin’,
It’s too late to save it with more litigation,
And your rice and beans diet is just too constipatin’,
But you tell me, over and over and over again my friend,
That you don’t believe those bitter defrocked apostates!
The C of S … you think nothing’s fina,
The day is coming when they turn on you and slime ya.
With all that auditing, to fix your head space,
You made no progress, you’re in the same place.
All your time on staff, you ain’t made first base,
Inside you’re feeling that you’re one big ball of case.
You can’t avoid the truth, that you need to face,
That the C of S, lacks any saving grace,
But you tell me, over and over and over again my friend,
That you don’t believe those bitter defrocked apostates!
No, you don’t believe those bitter defrocked apostates!
To folks in LA: Tune in to ABC Eyewitness News at 11PM on Monday July 9, for a special look into the Church of Scientology.
+1
I vote for Crawley, (or Peckham).
It’s for the greater good. Keep doing it, Marty. Bring down the supreme Leader!!! He ripped me off for 20 years and practically ruined my life. He hurt me and my family and I lost two girlfriend’s because they wanted nothing to do with the Church of Miscavige. Rock on Marty.
They are collateral damage. It’s what we all are to DM. He needs to go down. The celebrity gossip is helping. Read the PR series. Bad PR can bring down a church/business, anything that needs money to survive. This is a PR war. PR is the weapon, not guns. LRH explained it well.
Suri vs DM. DM more important to TC than Suri. am I wrong?!
They call it severence pay, retirement allowance. Whatever. They are better at laundering their moneys and covering their expenses than most of the drug cartels or largest corporations. Their stats are straight up and vertical on payouts and the payscale of their attorneys is also out the roof…
DM is taking the scientology teachings to hell with him. this makes me very sad because the general public lately associates scientology with DM. they’ll never make an effort to research and find the difference! how this could be changed I have no idea….
It would appear that anyone that does not fully concur with this particular ‘group agreement’ is attacked with vitriol and accusations of being a ‘clubbed seal’ a ‘troll’ and other allegations.
That does not appear to be real LRH style Scientology.
Either the individuals producing these comments are long term plants for the church of miscavige or at least doing a very good job for him !
Dear Mia,
There are lots of people working on this situation around the world. What you are seeing in this blog, is the tip of the iceberg …
Today’s Mail (UK): Accurate article on the tragedy of Alexander’s death and his Mother being prevented from seeing the body. Includes jaw-droppingly outrageous statement from the cult: “The Church takes offense at the irresponsible and false claims from excommunicated self-promoters who are sadly exploiting private family matters for their own personal financial gain.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170027/Scientology-Karen-la-Carriere-wife-Church-president-Herber-Jentzsch-allowed-sons-body-morgue.html
Another page 3 article in today’s Sun on Miscavige using slave labour to indulge his BFF. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/4418307/Scientology-chiefs-create-pen-out-of-tree-for-Tom-Cruise.html
Seems they’ve cottoned on to the Blog at last.
I think Marty’s assessment is realistic, and I prefer realism to false hope. It would be nice, though, to be pleasantly surprised for a change.
Hey, I found this brand new video upload to be very inspirational, and it certainly applies to the tyrannical nature of David Miscavige:
July 7, 2012 – “Mankind is at a crossroads. Humanity faces a decision: embrace the dreams of the universe and the fact that humanity is special and has potential, or succumb to the death of domination by a predatory elite bent on wrecking the species and limiting the paradigms of the mind.”
How about sunny East London? I know of a couple of suitable venues in the vicinity that’ll be free of athletes by then…..the only question would be whether they’d be large enough!
like the sentiment, Martin….
Great folks, great food, great communication and did you know some of these guys can really sing?
Les
Lol, at least Davey can still get something up, straight and vertical into the stratosphere and beyond.
WHAM BAM, thank-you Sam.
Vic K.
Northwest, YES!
Vic & Vicki
A self-determined being will naturally grant beingness to another. So when you get a Scn dictating YOUR ethics and YOUR actions, you have someone who’s not much of a self-determined being themselves.
Some will use it well, some poorly, but Scientology is NOT something to tell anyone what to do with their life. It’s a tool available for use if one cares to use it. It would make me a happier person if everyone in the world would get that straight, that Scientology is a science to be used. The heart of Scn is data about life and the use of that data is to audit someone so they can increasingly make up their own minds about their own lives and directions and purposes and so forth. Numerous studies have shown tht many are affected by authorities and by peers, and select thee as their ‘decision makers’. The idea in Scn is to be one’s own decision maker. Scn is all about self-determinism and an escape from uncertainties and from other-determinism.
We do not know what life is all about. We try to look to others for ideas to direct us. We try to do the right things. The thing not to forget is our aspiration to see things for ourselves. It is possible to listen to others, and take advice, and it is possible to fall back on advice given, to read books, study philosophy, go to church, study psychology, read newspapers, follow opinion leaders, study laws, study law, follow authority, and a lot of other things. But the goal to not forget is the ability gained to analyze a situation and arrive at the right decision (exact consideration) for oneself, and know it is correct.
Scientology provides all manner of tools to help an individual develop that studied ability for themselves. It is an acquired ability, but once acquired, is a perfect fit to the individual, and at that point, the help of Scn is no longer needed. Just do not give up your own self-determinism along the way. “You’ve got to be very careful if you don’t know where you’re going, because you might not get there.”
And I’m sure everyone can see this for themselves. L. Ron Hubbard states this in his books, and Mark Rathbun states this in his book, in other words, of course. Different beings, but somehow arriving at the same conclusions. Hmm. Isn’t that amazing? Maybe there is such a thing as truth? Maybe Scn is a science with accurate data about life? But that data isn’t there to enforce itself, or life, on anyone, it is just there to be read, compared, and used if one cares to. It’s a matter of choice.
No, no … at worst, a yellow card. Spain won. Applause to Italy as well. Well done on #2 – that’s a remarkable achievement in the face of a very disciplined Spanish team. Victoria has the ball, btw – free to reply. I don’t see anything wrong with covering both topics. As Max said succinctly.
You mean like OSA bot??
I’m not making light of anything. Tragedy is something difficult to confront. My heart aches and my mind is in turmoil over this. We accomplish step by step, and all of us are working on trying to ease pain and set things right. Each in our own way, to our own capabilities, wishing to God we were greater than we are.
I like Sams brand of ethics. 🙂
Satiric misspelling. “Orchestrate” + “castrate” = “orchastrate”. Were you being facetious?
victoria,
“Ummm, where is Heber? What about Alex… how is Karen, is she making any progress??”
All good questions.
“I don’t give a shit about your celebrity gossip at this point. SORRY!!”
I LOLED at this!! Although I agree with the sentiment I don’t think it helps to shit on Marty for not providing the data you wanted to see when you wanted to see it.
Note to all: I also don’t think it helps to jump all over victoria either.
In answer to your questions, victoria this is the only data I have. It comes from the Village Voice:
YOU ARE INVITED TO THE MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR ALEX JENTZSCH
ALEXANDER JENTZSCH 1984-2012 BURIAL AT SEA FROM A YACHT
Friday 13 July 2pm to 5pm
I will do the funeral the Church will not do. San Pedro/Long Beach
We will throw rose petals and wreaths symbolically into the Pacific Ocean as I do not have the ashes.
I will provide high level catering from a Five Star Chef and we can even do a champagne toast to Alexander.
Please Email me if you wish to attend.
Karendelac@aol.com
Karen de la Carriere
I’ll link the full article but you have to scroll down to see the memorial invitation. It is after the TomKat article http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/scientology_katie_holmes_tom_cruise_divorce_rathbun.php
And also this: 10,000 Scientologists Got This E-Mail Today About “Disconnection,” their Church President, and a Mysterious Death
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/scientology_heber_jentzsch_karen_de_la_carriere_email.php#more
Lets use ARC people
Mareka
Victoria, a more 1.1 approach works better for you?
Charlie P. is the latest name used by an OSA operative who has been posting here for a couple of years. He/she likes to use a last name initial thinking it gives some credibility. He/she is so very obvious and yet he/she cannot see it. I hope your proud of your “church” not allowing a mother to see her dead son for one last moment together. Do yourself a favor “Charlie P.” and get out of there. LRH has left the building both in body and spirit.
Tom Cruise, you are a disgrace to the expected behavior of a TRUE OT. Unless the LRH reference, “The Third-Party Law” has been bastardized too, start with M4 and M9 word clearing of this reference, and then a full clay demo of each main concept. Pass only from a Course Supervisor trained during LRH’s lifetime. Next, Repair of Past Ethics Conditions as regards the Second Dynamic (a. The sex act itself, and b. the rearing of children. (The definition was very mysteriously and strangely changed to CREATE in the Life Orientation Course. )
If ANY other public on Solo NOTs with this kind of garbage being generated, on their 3rd failed marriage, how many intensives of out-tech Sec Checking would they be subjected to, with wrongly enforced ethics conditions, ad nauseum, until they were allowed to resume auditing on the level–for the next 8 years and can’t seem to complete it. Of course, as they are Cause, it’s all their fault–including their ability to come up the conditions, complete an auditing program, etc. , etc.
That David Miscavige is found out for enforcing abortions, child abuse, human trafficing, breaking of minor child labor laws, etc. and is jailed accordingly; that all Executives in Intl mngmnt be released and properly medically treated, using the reserves from our IAS donations; asking those that can do what LRH appointed them to do to do it, or, start their lives over with proper financial compensation; that the Corp Church of Scientology be restructured to what it was per LRH; that all Scientologists who were ripped off and not delivered what were promised be refunded for out-tech intensives, including off-policy IAS and other donations above the $100 lifetime HASI membership; and that all ethics, tech and admin references within LRH’s lifetime that HE authorized be made clear and available to anyone wishing to have and use it. Basically, starting over like it was in the late 60’s, early 70’s. Utopian? Unrealistic? Maybe, but you have to have a starting point.
God, I am so loving the internet. The cracking sound of clay feet is being amplified by the total unencumbered dissemination of accurate knowledge.
Davey, you cannot hide behind the wall of secrecy anymore.
How can you survive the weight of countless broken hearts and destroyed lives that freewheel in your brain like a festering blight in your numb and forgotten conscience?
The world now knows. The secret is no more.
Not knowing the laws and rules of life does not excuse one from suffering their consequenses.
The tsunami headed your way Dave is of your own making: all those hurts you are cause of, are spring loaded to snap back on you!
And the lawyers that are on your side don’t have to be skunks to start smelling like one: the consequence of hanging with skunks!
It’s time for this diabolical group of tyrants to fall under the weight of their own misdeeds.
Crack crack crumble
Quote from one of Tom’s movies, “The Firm”…his character was Mitch…
“We know you’ll do anything to protect The Firm…wontcha Mitch?”
In an eerie way, seems that Tom is living this character.
If DM’s stat was “inches of manhood” he’d be in Non-E
I spent 2 1/2 years fundraising for Superpower. During that time, I surveyed thousands of people. One of the questions on the survey was: How did you get into Scientology? I was very surprised how many people answered that question with: Tom Cruise.
Well, my opinion is that Tom Cruise is going to get more people out of the “Church” than he got in. He is going to show what he is made of in the next few months. The overall public love Katie and Suri and TC has fallen out of favor.
He is either going to step up to the plate as a father and a husband or he is going to go along with the dwarf running the show. Either way, as Marty said last month, the end of this year is going to be worse for the dwarf than Debbie Cook.
Cindy Plahuta
Pat, awesome handle!! :>)
Cruise and DM knows how to play the game and they play it to the letter. Why mess with success? They know how to work the system and they are very good at it. Not sure how this will all pan out for TC, SCN and DM but they know the game and they play it well. Kudos to DM, TC and SCN for knowing how to play a great game of chess and most of the time coming out as winners. I’m not supporting their tactics but they are good at manuevering the chess pieces.
Mike,
What the clubbed seals are really saying is “pleeeeeze don’t ask me to confront something other than a Hostess Twinkle, It’s just too enturbulating!”
What the hell do they think auditor training and TRs are for? Confronting the sort of stuff that the midget is doing is completely off the charts for those still in the CO$.
Carcha,
I totally agree with you! Scientology is a toolbox of useful formulas and other items to help you arrive where you want to arrive. I had an art business for many years and to the degree that I either instinctively or calculatingly applied the Conditions Formulas I was successful! when I was low on paying clients I poured the coals on promoting. At the same time I realized my company didn’t exist for lots of artists so brainstormed, “who or where are some more artists that I haven’t contacted so far?” A-hah, artist clubs and groups- yellow pages “Hello, my name is —I do—-would you by any chance line to have me give a talk on—-to your group? Applying the Non-Existence Formula. When I was so busy I couldn’t take on any more clients switch gears to just staying in good communication with my existing clients etc. Power Condition. These Formulas, you say are just common sense. Right! But there they were to remind me and sometimes to help me figure out what to do when I was up against a brick wall. When I first got involved in the subject I was painfully shy and kept to myself pretty much. I was audited on Communication and the question was something like “If you could communicate to —-what would you say? I remember seeing in my mind a bunch of thoughts like in one of those toys globes that you shake and an answer to your question comes floating up to the top. Then the next and the next until I had said everything I wouldn’t or couldn’t say to —-. I felt immensely happier and found in life that I wasn’t so painfully shy any more! Over the years of being audited on simple questions like this I discovered I was becoming a better and better person and could become proud of myself. No one ever told me what to do. I just found myself making choices that were kinder, more loving, more effective than I had before I had used the tools. You say well you just grew up a bit there . My answer is true. But in evaluating my growth over time there was a coincidence of rapid growing up that occurred right around my auditing experience. In my mind I attribute it to the help I got from the tools. tools don’t do anything in themselves they just help you accomplish something better or faster that you were trying to accomplish.
So making a long story shorter the tools are what they are aids to getting the job done. They have nothing to do with opinions. They work or not. They have nothing to do with thoughts the mechanic has when he is using them on your car! Any evaluation or invalidation used with them are irrelevant at best and destructive at worst.
Marty’s scenario fits in that Katie gets what she wants, and Tom can save face. But, the public is not gonna buy what DM dishes…you can tell that just by perusing comment sections on other sites. So even if he brings out these “win” stories, very few people will buy it. Or, they’ll say she was young and now she’s wised up, so those stories are irrelevant.
Marty’s scenario may also get play if there is a settlement. People will link to it, or TMZ might do “a source says”. And the media will watch to see where Suri goes to school, how Katie & Suri’s relationship is, etc. So long term people will be able to work out what the “true” settlement is.
Like I said last week, Tom has already lost in the public arena. Too much out there, too many media outlets, too much exposure. No matter what comes out, the public is on Katie’s side, and anti-Scientology.
Katie or family, hope you’re reading this, don’t sign away your rights, don’t let them buy your integrity as that happens to be your most valuable possession. You’re dealing with a true SP with no other power than restimulation. By signing away your right to speak you’re actually granting power to an SP and not only is it not necessary, it’s a mistake of proportions. You can’t buy peace of mind, you fight for it. The Church lawyers will threaten you with eternal law suits, endless court cases and relentless hardship in and out of court and no peace whatsoever for you and your daughter. But, like all their lies, nothing is further from the truth. In fact, they will go through great lengths to keep you out of court at any price to avert more PR flaps. It’s you that can get everything you want and more by threatening them with eternal court cases. Try it, refuse their settlement offers and let it come to the 17th and see how far they go to propitiate, please try, don’t be shy. The reason we can speak freely is that we don’t fear them and fear is their only weapon. Only those who fear have to shut up and are thus (somewhat) under their control and PTS to that degree. If you love your family, never ever ever give up your right to speak as only through communication will you be able to set TC free (like you’ve been set free) and return your daughter her rightful loving father. Your integrity is what will make you happy, no matter how hard they try to make you think otherwise. Sorry TC, if this seems a bit ruthless as it puts you in sordid bind, but you do need a wake up call and a good one at that. One day, when the suppression is lifted, you’ll be Katie extremely grateful for ha, slamming your ethics in ruthlessly.
{… applause! …}
Nicely done Mareka! 😊
From reading some of the newspapers I get the concept theirs not many who are too sane on this planet ( including me) What gives?
Victoria,
I think you missed the whole point that Marty was making in this post. Here are the links to the latest on Karen.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin…iere_email.php
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?27699-Karen-de-le-Carriere-emails-10-000-Scientologists-regarding-the-death-of-her-son
Read them, take a walk and if you feel like it, come back and read this post again. You may see it differently. I think that both issues need to be out in front. No one is diminishing the attention to Karen…as Ronnie say, we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
And while it is easy to knock down Sam from your computer chair, she may whack the beehive from time to time but she has got more guts and courage than many on this blog, sticking her neck out…not hiding at all. 🙂 See here:
http://exscientologistsireland.org/2…orning-uk-itv/
That being the case Carcha. The next time the Crocs show, I thumbing a lift.
Wow! Great song! I think it would make a great rap tune!
Well said!
After reading martys book I had a realization that unless you have been in Scn you wouldn’t get.
Its on disconnection. The church will state time and time again with utter conviction that there is no disconnection “Policy”. What that means in translation is that there is no LRH policy contained in any of the OEC volumes (the churches bible).
Well this is very true. There is no direct LRH PL that states that one must disconnect.
So if thats the case every time you ask them what the policy on disconnection is you will get with utter conviction the same answer.
As you know the the practice of disconnection is applied all the time. Its happened to virtually everyone that ever did a course.
So I realized that you are asking the wrong question. Don’t ask if there is a “Policy” ask if disconnection is ever “practiced” and under what circumstances.
Here’s the mechanics. Hubbard said that if you were connected to a suppressive person your life would likely roller coaster. Therefore when you are in session you would lose the gains you had gotten. Therefore when it is found that someone is PTS they are sent to ethics and a PTS interview is done. The person is asked after spotting the SP if they would like to “handle or disconnect”. Note the word ASKED not TOLD.
Now it has become if you are found to be connected to an SP or SP group then you are told that you cannot enter a scientology courseroom or get auditing until you do disconnect and if you remain connected you are also declared an SP.
So this works on peoples fear of losing the tech and their spiritual freedom and all their friends and family and work etc.
So whats the outcome. Well I feel that the underlying theme here is hold people in fear. No actual policy but the event that if they don’t conform that they lose their all.
Well that’s suppression in itself. Does that mean these “practices not policies” were in fact invented by an SP?
Ask the question next time “Do you practice” in any form the act of disconnection and watch them not answer the question directly. Then compile a huge list of people that have been told to write a disconnection letter or were told to disconnect by an ethics officer. You will catch them in their lie this way.
Of course now the cats out the bag and there is an independent field where you can get real auditing that is no longer going to hold water and the fear of not getting gains is broken. The more that show themselves to not be subjected to the fear the less hold McCabbage will have. And soon as is happening now you will have an avalanche.
I was in the Sea Org for six years and had no idea what was going on at the Int Base. If not for the internet I would still be dubbing in. It is bad that the public do not net, research, or look. They know it will only lead them to the ethics office if they do. The staff hit them because the staff don’t have a clue themselves! The WORST is the Sea Org Members that support the Int Base financially and in every other way, that have no access to ANY information that are being used, uninformed, and mislead all the way. They are the ones keeping Miscavige in Power at all and they are totally kept in the dark. This in itself is a serious breach of fiduciary trust. The taxes collected by the Int base are gotten dishonestly and fraudulently. It is not only the public being defrauded. It is the staff planetwide in the Orgs and the Sea Org.
Carcha , thanks for that posting ..
“Tom Cruise, Katie Holmes Reach Divorce Settlement”
“Holmes’s attorney Jonathan Wolfe confirmed the deal in a statement to People: “The case has been settled and the agreement has been signed.” ”
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20610394,00.html
DIVORCE SETTLED! – 12:31 pm CDT – Breaking news
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/09/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-divorce-settlement/
If you can believe TMZ and numerous other media outlets, Marty is uncanny with his Prophetic abilities to know the outcome of legal matters and settlements for all things CofS related. Because he knows the twisted mind of the Dark Lord.
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/09/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-divorce-settlement/
Well done! This End Game synopsis is ringing true so far.
Cha Ching, Cha Ching! Pay to play! Marty was right. No mention of joint custody, only “meaningful and significant” time spent with Suri. The out PR created by David Miscavige , I think cost Tom his marriage, his daughter, his favor with the public, and untold buckets of cash. This is when “help becomes betrayal”. It does not pay to be blind. Even Katie Holmes knows that. I am glad she chose to profit off of the blind leading the blind.
That is what David Miscavige wants. Everyone kicking Tom Cruise in the dirt. That will give them something in common. Then his old pal Dave will “be there” for him with his posse. Do you know how few Scientologists there are on this planet? David has us pitted against one another. Haven’t you read the reports of his sadism and abuse, ordering staff to harm attack and suppress one another? I am not going to inherit his enemies or create enemies because of David Miscavige. Please think about who you want to harm, attack, and suppress. Clearlyu, Tom Cruise has moved from being a potential trouble source to an actual trouble source. When do we start suppressing the PTS? They are already suppressed. Adding to that suppression you only further enable the S.P. on their case.
+1000. Eloquent.
Also reported on Good Morning America.
http://gma.yahoo.com/katie-holmes-tom-cruise-settle-divorce-164940898–abc-news-tv.html
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/07/09/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-release-joint-statement-on-impending-divorce/
Very nicely said Mareka. Thank you for the links.
David Lingenfelter
I haven’t figured this out yet but sometimes my posts have my full name and sometimes just dlingen. Anyway they are both me!
David Lingenfelter
Thanks Martin for the info I do hope karen’s supported in her quest for justice She has that right.
Just read the TMZ report, and from what I gleaned, this has played out exactly as Marty predicted it would.
According the report: “…one condition Tom had for settling was “meaningful, significant” contact with Suri.”
That would appear to signal that Katie got sole custody of Suri. Obviously Katie had to give up something for the other side to concede that win to her. I’ll bet Marty’s right on that, too. I don’t expect to hear a single word from Katie about DM or the Church of Scientology now.
Sounds good to me!!
10:44 AM PST: Tom’s longtime lawyer, Bert Fields, just told TMZ, “The Tom Cruise-Katie Holmes case has been settled with a signed agreement. Tom is really pleased we got there, and so am I.”
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/09/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-divorce-settlement/
I still want to know how much money it took.
same with Debbie Cook. How many hundreds of millions did it take
to make them pop. Happy for Tom, sad for clubbed seals that will pay the bill.
COMMENDATION FOR DAVID MISCAVIGE
Another coup for David Miscavige! He has worked it now so every mother on the planet will hate the Church of Scientology. He has proven that all that could go wrong with Scientology, will go wrong with Scientology! He has declared all Scientologists the “blind leading the blind”.
At the rate he is going Scientology will be a thing of the past in five years and he will be cruising on some yacht in the Caribbean, waited on and served by the former wives of his peers. Hubbard and all of his knowledge buried in tombs underground . You have to give the guy credit. As a closet anti Hubbard anti Scientologist he got the whacks in on Hubbard’s friends and devoted followers. Bitch slapping them directly and torturing them and ordering them to torture one another out in the desert. What all the anti Scientologists can only dream about, as they pound furiously at their key board never getting satisfaction of seeing directly the misery they inflict. Miscavige got to see it in the stunned eyes of the people he most hated. He will travel with those cherished memories as he moves on to the next target. Like the child molesters in the Catholic Church hidden behind a mask of love for a God while they torture people for having hope and needing faith, crimes of sadism which rock the corner stones of the faith, keep people away, and discount any good that had been bought before by well meaning people. In the create survive destroy cycle of Scientology, he rises to end the final chapter with blood shed violence and destruction that is sure to entertain those who hang on waiting for that final ending to come with sex, money, invalidation, big names and opposing forces! One must applaud the greatest director in Hollywood! He puts Apocalypse Now and Francis Ford Coppola into minute status against the back drop of his reality theater.
You make some very good points. excellent post. What are your thoughts on the Doubt Formula? This i think is about the only thing of Hubbards that i have studied that i personally never agreed with. The general idea of the Doubt Formula is fine. But i find one aspect rather intellectually unworkable, if not dishonest. This regards the step when deciding wether or not to leave an activity or group or whatever, if you want to remain with it your current situation, or leave it and “attack, harm, suppress” etc your former deal. I can think of numerous examples where you can leave a person or group without having to actively wish or render harm unto them.
The only reason i can think of Hubbard wording it that way was to make anyone who wanted to leave staff or Scietology in general into an admitted SP, as only an SP wishes to harm Scietology.
Bravo! Oracle
@Rory: Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao etc where amazing strategists. Your comment reminds me of someone giving the thumbs up to the efficiency of the likes of Auschwitz.
“I don’t approve of Hitlers tactics but ya have to give the guy kudos for a smoothe running assembly line.”
Peoples lives are being destroyed and you choose DM’s efficiency and strategy to praise? Odd
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Yes, Ronnie, that Katie will not speak about Scientology is foreshadowed in their joint statement about “respecting each others’ beliefs.”
IA, can you fix tha link you posted? It doesn’t work and am seeing some commas in odd places, breaking it.
Thanks
There’s an idea TO! Hey perhaps Valkov still has a couple of connections that may be prepared to
offer a few of their highly professional clinical
“opinions” on the mental state of mind of the
current leader of the church. This would of course,
be perfectly acceptable and entirely within the law, as psychiatry is a discipline of the medical profession.
Any inputs, Valkov?
Marty – your prediction was dead-on.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-reach-settlement-divorce-case-exes-committed-working-parents-daughter-suri-article-1.1110636
“That does not appear to be real LRH style Scientology.”
No….????………what about saying what is true for you is not REAL LRH STYLE SCIENTOLOGY?
IMHO Charlie you behave like an OSA Bot AND a Clubbed Seal. Wake the F%&K UP …….
This thread is a good example of how the Int Base and the SO degenerated!
http://www.prisonexp.org
Ouch!
Ronnie,
It is uncanny how what played out was exactly as predicted by Marty!
That alone will take any satisfaction out of the results for His Exhaulted Shortness and ………. since his every move can be predicted…….should get those copper rods into the overheated mode! Another very bad day for the Miscarriage.
I wonder what the IAS briefings will be about? “The Katie Holmes buyout was so devastating it has left a gaping hole in our reserve funds so we need you to step up now, own the problem and make it go away! Can we count on you for say 50K today?”
A LOT! Someday we will know. For now we speculate but know this about that cycle………………..the Miscarriages knickers are in a knot and are likely in a spot where the sun does not shine!
Very smart post.
I hope someone can find some of the court documents on Katie’s original reasons for filing for the divorce.
Just remember this all started with the right to anonymity. This may not be in the constitution but if you know your history it was something the founding fathers used. Never knock an anonymous protesters, chances are there is a reason for their anonymity and that reason may likely have something to do with your rights.
It is not difficult to predict the acts of a sociopath once you have him pegged.
Marty, you called it. “Give Katie whatever she wants.” And you were correct. Also, thanks for linking to Sweeney, I wish the general public had paid more attention to him years ago!
Very well put Oracle. I’d only change one thing in the nasty little dwarf’s commendation. Instead of “waited on and served by the former wives of his peers”, I make it “waited on and served by the former husbands of his peers”.
I wonder what the IAS briefings will be about?
One can only guess, but one thing’s certain – there’ll be a lot less bodies filling the seats, and the clubbed seals remaining will have an ungodly amount of pressure brought to bear on them. The Dark Lord probably took an enormous hit on ‘his’ finances this past week.
The web address is OK. Worpress’ automatic weblink generation is the culprit.
Just copy and paste the whole web address: http://…html
Pete – Nicely done!
I hope Katie hasn’t won the battle just to lose the war. In a abusive relationship, the most dangerous time for a woman is immediately after she leaves. What I have learned recently about Tom and his Scientology cult is that they both will do anything to protect their image and get what they want, which is Suri. I fear for Holmes safety. They have only signed a settlement agreement; the finalization of the divorce will take a few months. This sounds terrible but, what happens to Suri if Katie has a mysteriously fatal accident before all is legally finished?
Oracle,
+1
Divide and conquer is DM’s strat.
Presenting truths and observations and let others decide for themselves is ours.
Carcha’s post above blew a lot of charge of mine from past bad ethics cycles. The old You Are Bad routine. Funny how one goes into agreement with it sometimes. Enlightening how we see DM’s Co$ being forced to deliver it and how good staff have gone into agreement.
I was there once. I worked with DM personally on events & video & audio at various times. I can see how losing your own viewpoint can happen. Doesn’t make the person the scum of the earth. Once the suppression comes off one recovers. In my case I blew as I couldn’t see how to handle the forced disconnection from my family otherwise (I was up lines and they were not and never would be).
David Lingenfelter
She changed her mind.
Just to clarify what I meant:
1. Victoria has a misunderstanding and hence a disagreement about the goal of discussing KH and TC divorce. She voiced her concern not politely, but she did not make any personal attack. She just attacked what she perceived as celebrity gossip.
2. miscavigeisscaredofsam probably felt that Victoria was attacking her “leader” (Marty) in a covert way, and probably thought that Victoria was an OSA bot. So miscavigeisscaredofsam makes a heinous personal attack to Victoria.
3. People start justifying and even cheering miscavigeisscaredofsam behavior.
And to clarify my own position: I have a very good opinion about Marty and what he is doing.
Yours is one of the most concrete long-term success stories I’ve read, showing how you use Scn. Most success stories are on auditing, or some current events, but yours answers people who want to know “How have you benefitted from Scn?” on a continuous basis. With specific and very understandable examples. Congratulations on your successes, too! The ‘continuous learning process’ does go faster with Scn.
Lawrence, I am sorry for the comm lag. I read your web site, and I can see where you come from. I do believe however, that while everything you wrote here is correct, once dm is removed the problems as solvable.
Charlie,
Like I said… you are a TROLL (AKA OSA-Bot)
[Thank you Tony, sometimes it\’s hard to distinguish a davey TROLL Doll from an OSA-Bot 🙂 .]
The real outpoint in this whole situation … the most GLARING outpoint that no one seems to recognize is the fact that a divorce is settled one week after it was initiated. That is omitted data, change of sequence in events, dropped time, and probably more all intertwined. I have NEVER heard of a quicker A to B divorce in my life. It truly makes no sense …
This whole thing looks awful for Cruise and worse for the corporation. The corporation of Scientology is looking more and more like a Kafka novel each and every day … truly horrifying ….
“It would appear that anyone that does not fully concur with this particular ‘group agreement’ is attacked with vitriol and accusations of being a ‘clubbed seal’ a ‘troll’ and other allegations.”
I hate to agree with him, ( cause I know this comment might be moderated out or I’ll catch shit ) but that’s been my experience here.
Ok guys, now kill me. 🙂
Absolutely right, Mia!
Moonshot,
Thank you for voicing your concern, so it can be clarified.
The point 3 of the Doubt Formula is:
3. Decide on the basis of the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics whether or not it should be attacked, harmed or suppressed or helped.
It says: whether or not … or helped.
Example: somebody leaving a non criminal group, based on “the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics” should keep helping the group after leaving as needed. After leaving a job some years ago, I kept helping, during months, the old job.
Example: somebody leaving a criminal gang, based on “the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics”, should collaborate with the police (and suppress the criminal gang).
Well here we are witnessing another overall foot nuke from the psycho-dwarf, aka, David MissCabbige.
It truly sucks to be such a world-renounced cowardly small man.
Then again that forbidden door’s been opened in MSM. Such as where’s your wife and Heber?
You better go grab those now famous copper rods POB and have another really stiff drink. At this point in your utterly fabulous career you’re really going to need them.
QWB
Well said
George M. White
Yes, Marty, that is my concern, too. Does Katie have reason to fear for her safety, now or in the future? If she should meet with an “accident,” would DM/COS be the first looked at, or is she too high-profile for them to try that? Also, is there any possibility of Suri going missing (Sea Org) – or would that be too high-profile as well? Any need for worry, or will DM/TC/COS leave them alone? You’ve called everything right so far – I trust your judgment on this.
And as Mike Rinder has explained …….it really, really, REALLY SUCKS TO BE MISCAVIAGE!
Can’t help but wonder if getting Scientology Inc out of the headlines was a major factor in Tom settling quickly. I’m happy for Katie and Suri but I will miss all those negative headlines this was generating. Kinda like with Debbie Cook, just when it was getting really good, it is settled and will disappear. But great damage has been done, no doubt about it. A few more big nails in the coffin.
Not likely on the “fatal accident” theory. That would seal the fate of CofS for good.
No shit, newcomer. Exactly my point. Note this “enturbulating” comment came from an SO Member who used to be in Security. So much for SO members having “the highest confront in the planet.
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/09/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-divorce-settlement-suri-custody-scientology-nanny/
TMZ has learned, the divorce settlement between Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes is extremely complicated, outlining things both Tom and Katie can and cannot do with Suri.
Here’s what we know.
— Katie will have what amounts to primary physical custody, but Tom has significant custodial time with his daughter.
— A report claiming that Suri must be in the presence of Katie’s bodyguard and nanny when she is around Tom is “absolutely, 100% false.”
— The custodial provisions of the agreement are extremely detailed, and religion is one of the topics. We’re told there are restrictions on what Tom and Katie can discuss with Suri on the subject of religion, including Scientology, however, those restrictions are eased the older Suri gets.
In short, we’re told the agreement is extremely detailed and outlines a course of conduct for years to come.
Oracle….your too much! Way to get right to the point.
Bang.
You’ve got an apt handle, you know that? I think you’ve got x-ray vision or something, because what you just stated is surely what transpired.
+1000000000 😀
I think Marty and all of you here will find this interesting: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/07/09/katie-holmes-catholic-church_n_1659466.html
Karin Pouw (DM in drag) just released a statement. Not worth the effort to copy and paste but this much is true: The Lady Doth Protest Too Much.
Mia, I would like to try and answer your question,” how could this be changed?”
1. The church comes out and makes a very clear statement that is has been wrong and destructive and points the finger directly and DM and his
supportive minions.
2. Do the only thing that will ever matter in the end and that is to get busy make Auditors, Clears and OT’s in hugh numbers that LRH would actully agreee were products of his hard won technology!
At least one other celebrity wakes up. The Super Power Building is definitively scheduled to open in March. Everyone outside the fences at “Int Base” is declared. The court-appointed accountants and lawyers will be the last to leave the building (settling up, liquidating assets). Indies discover what the words “champagne hangover” mean.
Rupert Murdoch has really let his reporters loose. Hee. I’m surprised DM hasn’t tried to use Greta to soften him. Should it be assumed that she tried?
from his website-
“Security Check: auditing to locate O/W’s related to church security”
that’s a nice statement in view or as compared to the of the indie field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security
Or as known for OT7’s every six months 10k a pop, this-
“Security is the degree of protection against danger, damage, loss, and crime” But to who, the church is who run by a the leader DM.
I never did my due diligence back when in 1986 when I read Dianetics. I assumed what I read was cool, and then got an auditing session and it was cool. Dude, it was great. But here we are 26 years later and I am doing my due diligence on the organization called Church of Scientology, I am not doing my due diligence on Scientology. Big difference. Althou I am in to the degree that the tech seems to be different from what I read, or have read.
OK atcause, I do remember the handle from last year.
Since you’re expecting it, here’s some shit for you – enjoy!
You were a troll then, still are a troll now. Congratulations on holding your position!
If you like, I might dig up some of your old comments and post some links to them
I’ma vitriolic type of guy, so here’s hoping you go down with the ship you’re on.
Valkov the Vitriolic.
I can always tell just how scared Miscavige is by how many trolls come out to post in a particular thread. Or perhaps they are all one troll, posting under several handles? How many trolls does OSA have left, anyway? Can we have a census?
++1000!
but she has. she has divorced tommy. that silence as to why is just that.
and tommy is connected to the church of DM. And one day during her 5 year marriage she saw something on the internet, or somebody told her about the PT COS, and she LOOKED. And she decided.
Words are not needed why.
The only true words are “divorce”, or meaning not connected to this person TC who is connected to the $OS. She in her own why disconnected from the suppression, and w/o saying why, but she did it. And the future will tell if Siri will as well.
She did her own “disconnection. Very sad that she had to bring another into the world, when she did not know. But now she knows.
Lawrence, of course Miscavige has and has had his enablers and his cronies. That type of person has always crept into the world of Scientology, even back in the 1970s some existed on org lines.
But that has been acknowledged right here on this blog more than once, and in view of that, either you have not actually read this blog very consistently and thoroughly, or you are posting with some other agenda.
ditto
Thanks, not bad.
Shows how OT Marty truly is . TV new just had a trailer Cruse and Holmes divorce is settled this is July 9th 2012 one day after above post. Bright
Oracle, you are a voice of reason, and you are correct. I feel KH is being a coward in this episode. She is thinking only about herself and her daughter, and she does nothing for anybody else.
Anon, good point, thank you….
Sorry.
I don’t have any psychiatrists on tap, but these days most psychiatrists, to their credit (perhaps), stay away from offering public diagnoses of people they have not met. (Except they tend to label everyone they can, after meetingthem, as suffering from “depression”. That way they can prescribe an “antidepressant”, doing which creates a residual income cash cow for many psychiatrists.) The days of publishing “diagnoses” such a “Jesus was a paranoid schizophrenic”, are long gone. And are not missed, as far as I’m concerned. Such labels lack professionalism and are more along the lines of the National Enquirer trying for sensationalism.
Nah… He will end in jail.
Now that is very real to me.
Perfect call Marty…thanks for the heads up!
Come on Charlie! DM loves divorces! Hasn’t he been promoting and enforcing them for years?
Look Valkov, I’m not on any ship.
My handle from last year? Do you mean Tim H.? Tim Higgs is my name.
If you’re referring to the church of scientology, I hope that ship sinks too.
Do you listen to the LRH lectures when he spoke of the group bank?
Marty, perhaps we’ll get a full update on how the
Indie Day celebration went.Looking forward to it.
Having watched John Sweeney’s several candid
reporting assignments and interactions on video,
with you, Mike, Amy and Jason, I have nothing
but the utmost respect and admiration for him,
personally, and as a top journalist.
What is extremely refreshing to see, especially
in this latest report for the UK Independent,is
that he writes “from the heart” and limits ref.’s
to the sensationalism. He also makes some
very poignant allusions to the degree of effect
Miscavige’s pubilic PR, has blinkered opinion
leader’s who are apparently still out of touch!
Possibly, John may find some substance in a
notion that just came to me after reading his
report. Humour me on the following, please:
Mr Miscavige is likened to a Schizophrenic Dr. Frankenstein. who arrived on the scene
of Scientology over thirty years ago. Right
under the nose of a somewhat ailing L.Ron
Hubbard, DM immediately set about the
creation of what was to become a veritable,
“monster”, the present day “church” of Scn.
This illustration is meant to highlight the
distinction between the relatively academic,
though immensely powerful technology of
REAL original Scn, and the Stumbling,
loathsome, dressed up monster creation of
it’s highly disturbed creator, Mr Miscavige.
You, MIke and Steve have drawn this
distinction repeatedly, as between Scn,
and RCS or radical corporate Scientology!
I think though, that the time is ripe to make
a somewhat more deserving, if perhaps
more jarring distinction as suggested by
my offering above. Perhaps John woukl
be interested in running with the concept.
Thanks for making this comm.possible.
Calvin.
I don’t know how accurate this article is, but it reports that part of the terms of the settlement is that Suri may not be exposed to Scientology while visiting with Tom. http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/katie-holmes-fired-tom-cruise-daughter-bella-clothing-company-two-months-ago
Reuters say Katie and Tom settled yesterday. One can only assume Katie got full custody of Suri.
There was mention of how poor Suri would suffer if it were a messy divorce, no mention of the Church of Scientology or David Miscavige suffering which my cynical side feels had at least as much to do with it.
And so the dust will settle and Tom, if he’s to continue the pattern spotted by one beloved tabloids, needs to find a wife 11 years younger than Katie.
I’m not supporting their tactics but they are good at manuevering the chess pieces.
Yes, as far as I remember that is quite correct. PTSness is not tolerated by Policy for academy students, they are or should be routed to Ethics to get it handled and I’m pretty sure preclears are addressed only with PTS type handlings, usually in ethics first then in session until that situation is handled. An SP in present time destroys any gains achieved in auditing.
Reasonableness is common with untrained people & even worse when done by trained C/Ss, auditors etc – it does great harm in the long run and eventually even the PC recognises they have been betrayed.
The is no substitute for standard tech.
Oh Bother!
I was so looking forward to a most illuminating and
informative plethora of psychiatric disorders and
their prescription drugs dealing with the indications. Darn, there goes a whole drug store’s worth of
remedies that may have helped the little dwarf,
initially just suffering from “short man’s syndrome.”
Life can sure get complicated! Anyway,so then, thank goodness, he created “Miscavology!”
We wouldn’t have had Marty’s blog without it!
Greta, Get out.
Handling for “the blind leading the blind”: Open your eyes and become an Indie. Stop to trust the blind leader that leads the blind.
Karin Pouw’s “Church of Scientology” public statement is the pinnacle of smug, arrogant and knowing dishonesty.
Yeah! Let’s make some super cool event graphic animations exploding out the top of the building on the “Number of Column Inches of Press on Scn” — they would be Highest Ever in This Universe and Others! Whooo-hoooo! Standing ovations!
Message to Webmaster.
Please fix this bad weblink:
Web page: https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/holmes-vs-cruise-the-end-game
Weblink: UPDATE 7/9/12: Village Voice Acknowledges Accuracy of Prediction.
Current bad web address: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-02/news/32511987_1_scientology-managers-katie-holmes
Correct web address: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/scientology_katie_holmes_tom_cruise_divorce_rathbun.php
FYI: http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/leute/scheidung-von-katie-holmes-und-tom-cruise-beendet-geruechte-nicht-a-843339.html
A paragraph in this article reads translated:
“These last days, the outcome to the divorce affair that has now come to pass has been predicted. The prominent Scientology breakaway Mark Rathbun had conjectured, that Scientology and Cruise will do everything possible to avoid a negative thematisation of Scientology in public. For it was quickly said after the divorce petition that above all the actress wanted to keep her daughter from the influence of the cult.”
I tip my hat to you.
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Oracle and David Lingenfelter,
My words wrongly communicated my intention.
I am not kicking Tom Cruise. And yes, he is utterly PTS. He needs to look in his own backyard. He dramos what DM does–“get your ethics in scum!”. Others accusing others that there ethics are out have their own out.
This boy’s DATA needs to be sorted out. Can’t apply the data? GET THOSE MIS U’S FOUND AND CLEARED!
Thank you, Brian Culkin, for your poetic insight: “Not knowing the laws and rules of life does not excuse one from suffering their consequenses.”
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…the most GLARING outpoint that no one seems to recognize is the fact that a divorce is settled one week after it was initiated. That is omitted data, change of sequence in events, dropped time, and probably more all intertwined.
Yes, it is a glaring outpoint, Brian. There is only one reason that the Cruise/Holmes divorce was pushed through the normal process on such a rush basis, and that is PR. Specifically, the potential for catastrophic harm to the public relations of Tom Cruise, David Miscavige, and (sadly bringing up the rear), the CofS and the religion.
You can bet that every imaginable pressure to end this, was brought to bear by the full weight and ‘command intention’ of Il Douchebag and his entire organization.
The fact that it concluded so quickly also tends to indicate that Tom’s interests in the matter took a firm back seat to DM’s. He HAD to get this story out of the news, just as quickly as possible to salvage whatever good reputation he imagines he still has.
I just visited the link at the end and I saw a GOOGLE AD that says WHO IS MARTY RATHBUN? click here. It has a picture of Marty in his jail episode. Wow! No only are they not running their WHAT IS SCIENTOLOGY? ads but they seem very concerned about Marty. You got haters Marty. I think I read something about this on an article called “signs of success” or something like that.
Certaintly I would think exactly on the same lines /
TC has a lot to answer related to his status as a member of Scientology
under Dm’s regime , if he get to be asked for an interview, or will he rabbit away to being once again silence ( He would be a coward ) Its a Waiting game.
Honest Anon is Honest
You sir have lost the Game.
Reread “A new Slant on Life” to work out your conditions.
Your self-appointed Case-Supervisor
CD
What is wrong with you guys?! I was never in scientology but I absolutely believe DM is a sick, twisted little creep and I have tremendous respect for Marty and you guys who have gotten out and are practicing a purer form of scientology, BUT these personal attacks on other posters have got to go!!!! You can disagree with someone without name calling and attacks and accusations. You could just ignore them, flag the post so Marty can remove it or use another method of responding in a way that doesn’t make you look like a pack of creeps ganging up on one individual. You guys look vicious, unrelenting and just as bad as the hateful OSA members out there on the internet – and I KNOW that’s not what you want. I hope that’s not what you want, anyway. Doesn’t Hubbard teach you how to handle stuff like this by rising above it rather than thru vicious attacks? I bet he does. Again, I’m with you guys all the way from a philosophical stantpoint, but not on the way you handle people who are critical. You look just as bad as corporate scientology right now.
I was told by the “Ethics Officer” at Flag that if I resigned from Scientology I would be declared a “Suppressive Person” based on HCO PL March 17, 1965 entitled “Organizational Suppressive Acts”. It reads as follows: “If a group member rejects the group, he rejects everything about the group and no further question about that. Certainly there is no question in his or her mind of salvaging or helping the group…So, in Scientology, anyone who rejects Scientology also rejects, knowingly or unknowingly, the protection and benefits of Scientology and the companionship of Scientologists.” This quote and the reference to the policy letter are included in my SP declare which I have a copy of. I also have an audio copy of my meeting with Church officials for my “Committee of Evidence”. It would seem based on the above policy letter that Katie should in fact be declared a suppressive person as she apparently has rejected Scientology based on the joint statement they released.
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Not happening…
– I think you’ve made the mistake of trying to apply logic where there is only an absence of logic…
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Message to Webmaster.
Don’t forget to fix this weblink:
Web page: https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/holmes-vs-cruise-the-end-game
Weblink: UPDATE 7/9/12: Village Voice Acknowledges Accuracy of Prediction.
Current bad web address: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-02/news/32511987_1_scientology-managers-katie-holmes
Correct web address: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/scientology_katie_holmes_tom_cruise_divorce_rathbun.php
Thanks,done.
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I might be wrong but clicking on the ads on the Posts’ web page gets them revenue, I don’t know if the advertiser pays more though. Either way the “who is Marty Rathbun” ones are a hoot, some real howlers like how a close up of Marty reveals a psychotic gleam in his eyes. It defies parody and relects more on the authors than the subject.
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