Hello,
My name is Pierre Robillard, and I’ve been a scientologist since
1968. I was on staff from 1969-1993, with the exception of three years
in the mid eighties,holding mainly key posts like ED and OES.
Pierre
I joined staff in Toronto in 1969. My first post was CF I/C. I also
held the posts of test evaluator, basic courses supervisor, FBO, Class IV
intern and intern super. In july 1974, I was parachuted to Montreal and
held the ED MTL post until 1978. I went back to Toronto to do AG training.
(predecessor of OSA), acted as AG Toronto, went back to Montreal in 1980 as
AG MTL and ended up from 81 to 83 as OES/Senior C/S. Then there were turbulent times and I ended up as ED kitchener in 1984. I wanted to go back to Montreal. It was refused so I routed off. In 1985, the MTL org was doing very badly and OSA asked me to help as the Investigation officer. In 1988, I re-signed
my contract, did the OT levels up to OT 111 and spent the next 5 years as OES
and cumulating the C/S post off and on.
TRAINING
I’m a graduate class 1V auditor, NED auditor; I did at Flag the C/S series
in clay and I’m a fully trained Intern super. I was also fully trained in 1971
in LA as an FBO. There’s an amusing story on this subject. While I was interning
in one of the SO buildings, I was agressed (my shirt ripped) by a man named
Wendall Reynolds. I got so mad that they had to call an HCO bring order on me.
Finally, my FBO org officer, Pat Broeker sent me to apologize to Reynolds.
After I finished my last staff contract july 1993, I eventually ended up C/sing
in the field, my plan was to C/S at night, send money to Saint-Hill for the
briefing course and eventually phase out of my wog job. Well, GAT came upon us.
I submitted a plan to continue C/Sing and go train on GAT at Saint-Hill a month
a year. This was refused. I was not enthused by this situation. I was losing
my right to C/S, my past production was invalidated for what? added drills.
EXPANSION 1
I’ve been fortunate to work twice in a booming org. The first time was
in Toronto, early seventies. As I wore, at different times, various posts, I was
able to get a concept of a productive org. I worked in div 6 and was part on
occasion of the book unit. The org sold at times more than 500 DMSMH books
a week. I was not the best book seller but it did raise my confront ( plus
as a bonus that’s where I met my wife to be, Heather. I was the FBO toronto in
1972 when Ron sent a telex validating Boston org and Toronto org for financially
supporting the INT Management. As an auditor doing my internship in the HGC, I was part of a team auditing 400 hours or more of WDAHs a week (by the way,the HGC was located on top of an old funeral parlor’s garage and the cabins were made of cheap styrofoam). In 1974, I became the Intern Super and I was part of a huge qual that included 2 word clearers, 2 cram offs , a qual receptionist, staff staff auditors, staff staff C/S etc. There was more than 100 people on staff.
The hatting was very important. Besides my FBO training, I was fully hatted
as a div 6 personnel, fully hatted as an intern super. The org had OEC/FEBCs
trained on the flag ship. Part of the success can be attributed to the great
basic courses, especially the HQS course.
Heather
EXPANSION 2
It was in 1980, when I was privy to a boom. I was still AG MTL when the
ED MTL, Marc Vidril came to see me. There was a DMSMH Radio Ads programs
originating from L.A. and the ED wanted to implant it in Montreal. By this time
I was the OES again. The Org had no money to pay for it. I got my friend
Jacques Emond to organize and gather funds from the org public. They found
french speaking scientologists in L.A. to translate and perform the ads and
voila. The ads started in Montreal. Very soon we were selling more than 200
DMSMH books a week. Book One groups were being established everywhere.
The Survival rundown was being delivered, and like the HQS in 72, was making
hatted scientologists,and consequently a lot of staff.The org had more than
100 staff members, 20 people in the Tech Training Corps WDHs reached 400 a week. PD comps was in affluence and GI reached $40,000 And most of all, there was a buzz in and around the org.
MANAGEMENT
Of course, being a staff member in a Class V org, especially if you’re
full time, was never easy. Also, there always been a reality gap between
management and class V org, especially if there is a language barrier
or one doesn’t robotically obey to orders. For that reason in 1976, folo east US
wanted me out as the ED. They recruited a heavy druggie to replace me. I
persuaded FOLO to send my wife instead as my replacement.
She did the PRO TRS and The ED Hat at Flag and eventually replaced me.
MORE MANAGEMENT
My observation is that it got much harder to be a causative staff past
1982 (by 1982 Ron was no longer on the lines and New management had taken over) I described above how Montreal Org was booming early eighties. There were many management attacks to undermine it. For instance, a Mr Woodruff, Sea Org member started an off the rail Flag regging unit.They would reg MTL public for any services. One of the Unit members told me that the public should get a taste
of Flag. Eventually, it was dismantled and a few Unit members were declared SP.
But the damage was done.
SECOND ATTACK
The second attack and the most vicious was an attempt to squash all the
veteran staff members. Lots of them ,including my wife, Heather Robillard, did
not re-sign. I re-signed march 1983 and took over the HES MTL post and had in a
month the GI stat in affluence ( around $40,000) but I was sent to Toronto and
FLag as I was deemed a criminal because I had worked in the GO. I was given many SRAs ( severe reality adjustment), many sec-checks and repeatly told
that I did not follow command intention. I ended up in 1984 in Kitchener
as the ED KIT (which was an illegal posting). The Management did not want me
back in Motreal because “I would sabotage the command intention”. I routed off
and tended to my dying mother.What was bound to happen, happened: Montreal Org crashed in 1985. There were heavy entheta articles in newspapers, with front
pages photos of masked ex-scientologists. My friend Jacques Emond and myself
were recruited to help. I ended up in charge of the OSA Investigative section
as a volunteer (an ironic situation as 2 years before I had been labelled a
criminal because I had been in the GO). For nearly 2 years we ( jacques and I)
worked really hard,setting up all the various files, helping in the handling
of the many refunds claims (the Sea Org reserves paid them). Eventually,
OSA INT realized we were not staff members and tried to recruit us,to no avail.
And that was the end of that chapter.
FRIENDS
I lost 3 good friends in Scientology because I sided with management.
Zoltan Rona was a long time tennis buddy and I had him come to Toronto early
seventies to do a few scientology courses. By early eighty, he was OT V.
His wife Sharon was a CC Toronto staff member. One day, he told me about a
big meeting at Flag with Mission holders and Management. He sided with the
mission holders.Unfortunately, Management had already published ethics orders
on Mayo and squirreling missions( like the ding-a ling process). I sincerely
thought that LRH was in agreement with this handling so I wrote a disconnection
letter to Zoltan. I wish I had known the truth.
I first met Jacques Emond mid 75 as he joined staff. I mentioned before
that he was a key factor in the ads campaign and that he helped me in OSA in 87.
We were good friends and he had been my confident on many occasions. When he
refused to join OSA MTl, Folo Can wrote a Public enemy condition on him. There
were other run-ins which led him up to ask for a repayment from Flag in 1998. He
got the repayment. I was then a public and I did not want to be involved in any
situation. So that was the end of our relationship.
Alfred Calver is a MTL Org public which I befriended mid seventies. As
a friend and a volunteer, he has been thoughout the years a very supportive
individual on many aspects including financial support. In 1989, Impact magazine
published a totally unreal and fallacious article about the Montreal Org.
Alfred took exception to this. He wrote KRS and he was subsequently attacked.
When Jacques got his repayment, Alfred (rightly) took his side and I did not
want to hear about it. So I wrote him an ultimatum letter which ended our
friendship.
SINCE 1993
Since 1993, my presence in the Montreal org has been limited. In 1994,
I went to help my selectee on the Metering course drills. The scene was very
chaotic, many execs would pass by and give their opinions, nobody completed
the course.In fact, students had to go to Quebec Org to complete. My selectee
was routed to the PTS course and never completed the metering course.
At one point, I was putting regularly money on my training A/C at Saint Hill
for the Briefing course but then a Saint Hill tech terminal, in a D of P
started to reg me for my materials , and stupidly, I let him transfer most of
my training A/C money to books and CDs.
IAS
In the last 20 years, I have not done much, disillusioned, thinking I was
too old (I’m 65). I disagreed to the extreme regging of IAS. Never attended
events. In 92-93 as OES I used to fight to stop my future Completions to be regged
till 3 am.. When IAS first started, the stress was saving Scientology from
being taken over by SPs. I believed it was true for a long time. In 1990, the stress
was on promotion and we were promised many campaigns which never came true. Now, its a barrage of programs around the world that will supposedly clear
the planet. Every day, I get magazines like Scientology news, impacts etc that
claim to show we are winning. But in real life, its the opposite. Read the news,
the web, talk to people, 99.9 % of the news about Scientology is bad. There
used to be purif centers around Montreal.. No more. There used to be a Narconon
in Three Rivers, Quebec. No more. .
IDEAL ORG
There used to be an attempt to get the orgs Saint-Hill sized and get the
staff audited. Now its The Ideal Org program which totally misrepresents the
essence of the policy and violates basic finance policies like the Building
Fund P/l. The future Montreal Org is a gutted building bought 5 years ago by
local scientologists. There was times when The Sea Org Reserves paid for
buildings. In 1979, I was the AG Tor and the Sea Org sent an order to buy a
building. Brian Mcpherson was in charge of finding a building. As the AG Tor, I
dealt with the org lawyer for all the paperwork. I dealt with the Toronto Fire
Chief on the various building codes. I am the one who received the $ 1.9 million
for the Diamond building (actual location of the Toronto org). I also received
money for the renovation. Part of the plan was to continue to sublet more than
half of the building to various companies and to eventually increase the org
space if there was expansion.
CURRENT TECHNOLOGY
Since 1993, I mostly worked in the wog world, did a few basic courses,
attended some events (no IAS events and one Ideal Org building event). I mostly
wrote music, played tennis and spent a lot of time on my second dynamic.
( I am a great-grand father). In January 2012, I came upon a message sent to
Scientologists. It was written by Debbie Cook. I read it. It made sense. From
this point, I embarked on an intensive study of Scientology materials. Then I read the website www.friendsoflrh.org which compares what LRH says to what COB says. I came to the conclusion that the current teachings have deviated from the
original materials written by LRH.
LOW PRODUCTION
It would not be so bad if there was any production: auditors made and
preclears going up the grades. None of that. There has not been an auditor made
in Montreal since 1995 (advent of GAT). The auditors made came mostly from Flag, the others were already auditors and did GAT. One hears more about the different levels achieved as an IAS member than anything else. Public complete some Basics Book courses. But that’s not auditors. If one looks at the results of Quebec Org (recent Ideal Org),their web site shows mostly Basics Book Course completions.
De-PTSing
Researching HCOBs and studying the Church’s history especially since 1982,
has been beneficial to my physical and mental health. It has allowed me to get
a proper perspective on my staff timetrack, actually de-ptsing me. I understood
why , even after I had attained OT 111 in 89, I did not perform as well
on staff in my last contract because of the remaining by-passed charge in the
eighties. It also got me a better reality of the plight of the SO executives
stuck in the HOLE.
REHABILITATION OF WINS
It also rekindled the various wins I had as a PC, a Tech Terminal and a
staff member. In 1972, the auditing on Exchange by dynamics opened up my
viewpoint and the same year, I got married and became ED Montreal. Also in 72.
I received a confessional that freed me of a whole chunk of shameful thoughts.
The same year, I got audited on a heavy dianetics incident, which blew away
and had me floating in the clouds (this incident, rehabbed in 1979, validated
me as Clear. The last one was on OT 11. the auditing itself was exciting
because it was totally new to me. And then unexpectedly, a tremendous mass
blowing and a brand new world opening. Despite various difficulties, I overall
had a splendid time on this planet earth.
MY DECISION
And to have an even better life, I hereby make the following decision: I
must leave the C of S and join the Independants. The future is not totally
certain especially on the training side. But,from what I perceived from the
LRH policy I read and the Indie 500 website, the intention to follow Ron’s way
is certainly on the independants side. My wife Heather,plus a few others
are leaving with me.She started in 1963 in London England,She was one of
the best Class V orgs reg’s, was flag trained as an ED. She’s also been
a great wife, mother and a wonderful terminal as a staff member.
Moving On Up a Little Higher 
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Welcome out! It’s a whole different world out here, and much saner!
Cheers and Bravo
Welcome to the group.
We aren’t quite the coolest or the cutest.
However, most of us are brutally honest & open to conversation.
Again, welcome.
BED MAN Mike in OKC
Welcome! You will find that the independent side will rehab your purpose and great wins are ahead. The fear is gone and COS no longer has control over your life. There is nothing they can do to any of us which to me is the biggest win.
Pierre, my good friend. You supervised my very first introductory course into Scientology in 1971, the HAS Course. You made that first 2-hour confront an excruciating hell, of which I have never lost gains. Since then I became a contributing member of the Toronto staff and eventually the ED of Winnipeg and Calgary city staff, and Sea Org member of many years at ASHO-F, CMO PAC, and CCI Int.
I looked for you in Montreal when I was on mission there in 1988 but you were evidently elsewhere at the time.
Love you, my friend, and will surely see and work with you again in future generations.
Bruce Clark
Welcome to a new life, in truth! I can see a great future for you if you decide to pick up your tools again and deliver services in the independent field. There are so many directions to choose from and so many people (tens of thousands) who have been denied their Bridge that any trained professional can look forward to earning a decent living delivering the services he knows. If there is anything I can do to assist you, please let me know. David St Lawrence
Good for you and welcome out of the crazy cult of Scamonology! Golden Age of II is coming out soon – so good timing! Does anyone know what this is about? I heard it from a staffer a few weeks ago. Also – they are regging hard for money for the IAS – telling the staff that the psychs are out to get them…the world is going to hell in a handbasket ad naseum! The Co $$$$ is going to hell in a handbasket and the independants and ex scientologists are growing and revealing the truth about the extortion, scam, abuse and out tech crap they call Scientology.
Good job COB ~ David Miscavige – you are a nut!
Great story, my friend! Welcome to the world of sanity and comraderie!
Help me out,folks. While I am the resident “scientology geek” in my circle of friends & family. I have always wondered, for the people who were there in 1995. Was it just how Jason Beghe described it. He could not BELIEVE that the C0$, was going to try and charge people for the same Basics again.
I wanna know what you people were sitting their and thinking or feeling, – underneath the hip hip hoorays and standing ovations and plastic smiles—what the hell were you thinking while gritting through your smiles !
I am just blown away by it and not much surprises me, when it comes to RC0$.
But, to repackage and demand people buy them.
The balls on these people. (forgive me ladies)
Did redoing these “basics” help ANY one here or anyone you know?
Or.
Was it just how it appears to us now,? A crock of shit, that is almost unbelievable that anyone would try it –
Yet, Mismanage got away with it, which is easy when you force OTHERS to do your uncomfortable sales pitch for you. I mean am I correct in assuming that the Sea Org members were assigned this duty? I am positive they had massive quotas.
What a freaking gig this jag off has. Its really amazing when you stop to think about it.
Anyway, help me out if any of you have stories.
BED MAN OKC has spoken and he has nothing but love to give.
Cheers & Beers Friends and internet foes
BMO
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Salut Pierre! Tres contente de lire une excellente declaration. You really helped me back in the mid 80’s when I was ED Ottawa. I had only 1 course sup, 1 Book One auditor and no other tech trained terminals. At that time we were going great guns with the Dianetics campaign getting lots of new people in the org through the Book One line. In order to deliver the Purif we had to get Montreal to C/S for us (Montreal is a 2 hr drive from Ottawa). Jeez… sure made it go right, 24/7. And to make matters more stupid, the CLO recruited a CL4 TRAINED AUDITOR from our field to be the FR. She HAD to be the SINGLE HATTED FR!! No ifs or buts – that was the F@!!@??Program. Anyhow with the help of your tech staff in Montreal we were able to actually deliver something other than Book One auditing and training in the academy. Merci Pierre. My husband Dennis and I now live by the Ocean facing the amazing Olympic Mountains on beautiful Vancouver Island, BC. You and Heather are welcome anytime. Avec amitie
Hello from Ottawa!
So true about the none production since the Levels were squirreled. I know of some students in Ottawa doing GAT who couldn’t make it in the academy here, so, thinking something was wrong here went to TO to get help there, and crashed there as well. None survived, all are gone, criminal waste.
Monsieur Robillard! So great to see you here. I so remember you back in the day at the Montreal org. I was a public and left around ’92, being disillusioned by the management and really heavy regging. I am glad to read your story and wish you all the best! Welcome to the Indies. This blog is awesome and eye opening!
Chris
I am speechless Pierre. A staff member for over two decades! In a real Org! (Not a fake government where everyone wears Halloween costumes 24/7). Standing ovation!
Well done Pierre on your independence!!
Its such a good time to be independent, just before I read your story I got an email about a new training center opening in Los Angeles….
http://indietrainingla.org/
Maybe these will be opening around the world soon!
Welcome home
@ The Robillards: Welcome, fellow Canadians!
Welcome Home from a fellow Canadian. I hear you, eh!
Bravo Pierre!
It is about time that Montreal and Quebec people see the light and show they’re allegiances towards our founder!
Regarding Marc Vidril, I have talk to him recently… about a year ago concerning this movement… I just hope that he is reading this blog right now!
Some one told me a couple years ago that you have set up the first Org in MTL (Notre-Dame street) …Is that right?
Bienvenue a toi et ta femme Heather, dans le groupe des indépendants!
Eugene Francoeur (son)
Welcome out, Pierre! All the best.
Hi Isabelle, I remember an Isabelle, I guess you got married and your name became Prunkle. I always had affinity for the Ottawa Org, originally the Montreal Mission was created with 2 staff from Ottawa. One was Gary McKague. Maybe we’ll take you up on your offer to visit one day.
Kudos to you and your wife. Welcome to freedom.
Welcome Pierre!! Another Scientologist comes home! My Auditor in the Independent Field just turned 64. And Trey Lotz who is older is Auditing Full time and having meetings at 11pm at night! Hey 60 is the new 40! A Church terminal used to run the age thing on me from time to time. I’m rid of that consideration now. Welcome to theta, friends and freedom. Well done on all you have previously accomplished in Scientology. Thank you for all you have done in forwarding the Aims of Scientology. Glad you are here.
Mr. Robillards,
Congratulations on your independence. You have written one the best
explanations of the decline of scientology under Miscavige that I have ever read.
No auditors produced. ‘Basics’ graduates that can’t produce.
Sounds like miscavige evolved the subject into robot operated AV
rooms – just like American banks. Next step for miscavige is ‘outsourcing’.
Enjoy your freedom!
George M. White
A fake government that delivers NO SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC. DOES NOT MAKE CLEARS OR AUDITORS, AND TAXES AND ABUSES THOSE THAT DO!
Congratulations Pierre! I loved reading about your gains from confronting the situation.
Welcome and thanks for keeping your integrity on the 7th Dynamic. 🙂
Welcome Pierre and Heather!
Thanks you for your service and I think you will have many more cognitions being an Independent Scientologist. I also think that my wife knows you. Her maiden name is Marie Josee Roy.
Pierre, you were my twin on KTL in Montreal in 1991-92 🙂 I have great memories of all the laughs we had on that course & I’m still enjoying my wins although I’m now a big “bad SP” 🙂 My maiden name is Marie-Josee Roy. Here’s our declaration if you haven’t seen it https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/seattle-independents/
I’m really glad you found the truth. I hope more in Montreal will follow your lead. I tried to enlighten a few of them to no avail. Maybe your departure will inspire them. Don’t hesitate to contact me mariejoe@comcast.net.
This is the beginning of a whole new game that I’m sure you will enjoy very much 🙂 Have fun!!!
I have met OT III executives and feel the energy they give off in the hope they have for all of us. I have set in the car as they went to work. They picked me up because of their faith and would do anything for me. I have seen what an OT can do when it comes to effort. The main ability I will never forget is their ability to create heat without body. I do agree that I have seen things that no one else I know has ever seen and will ever believe, I have lost my career and life due to this. I have lost all savings of my life for this and lost the ability to give the effort required in order achieve the results of the bridge because I have felt alone. I want someone else to acknowledge what I have seen, especially the heat that you can experience when an OT is in your presence, without a body. Mike, please let me know that it makes sense to you? I have close relations to the Sea Org in LA, they are the ones that accepted my donations to the excess of receiving the knowledge and the print, that we are not mud. But to be the only one makes me feel even more protective and alone. I will die knowing the experience they gave me. But they never will acknowledge directly what was done. This will be my only attempt at understanding why they betrayed me, and why they do not show everyone what is possible with their technology.
Hello + welcome !
When great beings like you take a decisive step towards freedom and self-determinism – that really makes my day 🙂
Little man (DM not TC) seems to be loosing it. Although TC seems to be loosing it more and more as the days grow old. . .’This should be interesting.
Nicely stated Pierre, and perfect timing – right after the vulture-fest of the IAS event. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4604015/Scientology-cult-leader-claims-psychiatrists-caused-the-Holocaust-not-Nazis.html Double page spread in today’s Sun. Miscavige gave an “oddly emotionless speech”. Guess his mind was elsewhere..
Pierre,
I am so happy you have seen the truth. For decades the Church has hijacked our dreams and told us that it was going to do what we wanted to do ourselves. Told us that “it” was our third and fourth dynamic and all we had to do was support it and everything would be taken care of. Now it is dying, but guess what? We are still here and so are our true third and fourth dynamic intentions.
Welcome aboard!
steve
Video of David Miscavige on an Org inspection.
Dear Pierre,
THAKYOU,Here in brisbane,australia we to are effected by the disconnection,
policy,threw the years i lost heaps of frends here in brisbane and melbourne.
I do communacate with a couple of them,but do not want to do any scientology.ALSO THREE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE AT FLAG SINCE the 90s disconnected from us,I TOO had a heap of money ,for my training
,which 60% went to the i.a.s ,I hear where your comming from,You are not alone,I wish you
all the very best.
ERIC,BRISBANE,AUSTRALIA
Toronto, early 70″s, those were the days. Thanks for being a part of it. What a difference, then and now.
Hi Pierre,
Congratulations for freeing yourself from the yoke of Corporate Scientology. While reading your write-up it once again struck me how destructive this group has become to any self determined thought and any self determined action. Welcome and enjoy your independence.
I was the Dof P in Toronto during its heyday and fondly remember the excitement back then. One evening, when most of the staff went home you stayed and got your pc through a particularly rough time. I never thanked you for doing this – so Pierre – thank you.
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A BIG WECOLME ABOARD from Burbank, CA, Pierre Robillard, your wife Heather and those friends who are coming with you!
I loved your announcement letter! And what an obvious Up-Stat you are!
Cof$ loses in YOU and yours more HIGHLY VALUABLE BEINGS!
The enemy’s losses mount daily as we in The Independant Movement become stronger and more effective with each passing day with the likes of you!
I think you’ll find (as I have over the past few weeks since I joined THE WINNING TEAM) that the “Rehabilitation of Wins” you mention in your announcement, become more and larger with every passing day. Unlimited, Supercharged RESURGENCE comes to mind!
I also think you’ll find as I have, that you’ll have – OUT here, the camaraderie, kinship and pure joy of ARC amongst group members with a common higher purpose that has been sadly destroyed and lost by the old group at the hands of SP Miscavige.
So, Thank You for all of your past contributions and Very Well Done on your decision!
Steve
Marty, Got your new book “The Scientology Reformation – What Every Scientologist Should Know” in yesterdays mail and began reading it last night.
WOW! You Nailed It! – “What Every Scientologist Should Know” INDEED!!
Marty, Thank you for BEING THERE and COMMUNICATING!
Inspiring story of dedication to Mankind.
Very very well done for all the good you bring into others lives.
HI Pierre;
Ottawa also set up a Mission in Calgary, I think it was Calgary. Dan Carnwright who was the reg in Ottawa left and became the ED of Calgary.
Gary was EO here in Ottawa for a while. Last I saw of him was he was on staff in LA, not sure doing what exactly.
Ottawa was really expanding back then, many coaudits, course room full …
Another lifetime ago.
Is this the Bruce Clark of Asho F who was also a writer?
Boy, a lot more Canucks here than I realized.
Hello All!
Well done Pierre to you, your wife and friends… you’re on track now and the wins will come again free from the suppression and lies!!
Merci beaucoup Eugene, about Montreal and Quebec people, I think most are very nice, but they are definitely in a bubble.
Two Montreal O.T’s were trying to handle me and whatever arguments I would bring, like no production, alter-is of Tech, not many new public etc., they would reply that these were arbitraries that could be handled by reports uplines. I look at GAT as the beginning of Hell and they look at GAT as the beginning of Heaven.
Hi BMO, Thanks for your welcome – I am sure I joined the right group.
Pierre
Thanks RLB,
Hello Pierre welcome!!! Another talented being, such good news. May you flourish and prosper!!
Hi Bruce, Really good to know you kept your gains. Sorry I missed you in 1988. Hope to communicate with you again one day.
Hi David, Thanks for your welcome and encouragement. You are right the future is very rosy. My wife and her friend know of your website and read it quite regularly.
Thanks for your welcome idlemorgue
Hi Songbirdsings, Thanks very much for your welcome.
Hi BMO
My understanding is that the copyrights to most of LRH’s works expired (nobody had renewed them) So they went into the public domain (where they still are) The basic books that most of us bought in packages say L Ron Hubbard (not BY L. Ron Hubbard). The copyright in these books is L. Ron Hubbard Library which does business as CST..
There are minor changes in these books, (a line left out or a line added etc, supposedly a correction of what LRH meant to say.) But the thing is, the only thing copyrighted in these books is the line or lines that were changed. The original books/works of LRH are in the public domain.
Heather Robillard
“oddly emotionless”? Maybe DM is on psychiatric drugs.
Hi Isabelle, I have just gotten the hang of how to reply to people on the blog. I did reply to you but it is further down.
Much ARC,
Pierre
Kruc: I was in for about 4 years – never met ONE OT that I was impressed with. The more I looked – the more I thought the OT’s were “wierd”. They don’t talk, they can’t see, they can’t and won’t LOOK and they are pretty much some of the biggest assholes I ever met! It is interesting to hear about OT’s that were what the promises made in Scientology claimed to be. I just NEVER saw any! I did not even see any clears I was impressed with. I realized Scientology GIVES you problems (financial and disconnecting from your family in friends) you do not want – then has you become isolated and broke – and then charges enormous fees to go up their bridge – so when you hit bottom – you join staff. That never looked llike an option either – looked like slave labor and it is! It is a crazy group and if they get anyone new in – it does not take long for them to leave too. It is just the most bizarre group of nuts I have ever met in my life. Poor souls! They don’t even know that they are trapped in a Cult and it is criminal and all are told are lies and shown – propaganda. Merchants of Chaos and FEAR – selling fear and then bilking people out of all of their money in exchange for absolutely NOTHING! David Miscavige is a dick-tator and the Co$ is a CULT~
Congratulations Pierre and Heather. Yet another two valuable and dedicated scientologists that the RCS have lost. I am always amazed when I hear about veteran staff such as yourselves, and veteran sea org members who give and give and give, despite the obstacles put in your way. Nothing stops you – and its wonderful to know you are now with us. Hats off to you! May you always flourish and prosper. And the Debbie Cook email has done its thing again. I love it!
Congratulations mr Robillard, a warm welcome from us……
the guys of the Indipendology
The sun newspaper stated : He ( Miscavige ) insists that Scientology is out to “de-rail an upside-down Utopia where human sheep quietly graze in a biomedically fertilised meadow”.
I guess Dave meant to say “the Church of Scientology is out to set-up an upside-down Utopia where human sheep quietly graze in a propaganda-fertilized meadow, only to be milked by relentless registrars”.
Hi Bob, I get the impression it was the same many places.
Thanks Chris. Yes this blog is amazing – keeps us connected.
Hi Oracle, Thanks for the standing ovation. Your appreciation means a lot to me.
Hi Bob. Yep, that’s me. Good to hear from you, and that you are one of us here on the outside looking in to what’s been happening to corporate Scn.
Congratulations, Pierre and Heather. May you find the true group working toward LRH’s original goals in the independents. You will enjoy this new life at any physical age. Thank you for the very well expressed announcement.
Thanks Dave, Yes I am sure many more Centre’s like this will open.
Thanks Chris
Already calling me BMO – nice
Thanks a lot we appreciate the welcome
Thanks for the welcome. My wife remembers Claire Reppen (your mother?) She was a wonderful person and Auditor.
Thanks Claire!
How in the hell do I not know that. I am embarrassed.
It obviously makes sense. Why the Rc0$ is doing it.
I just thought they were trying to “pull one over”, which in effect, they were.
But, I did not know it was actually a copyright issue.
Wow. I have got to read the basics. New and Old and see it for myself.
Thanks for the respond Heather.
A belated welcome Pierre and Heather. Nice to see you in the sunshine. Congratulations and may your road forward be smooth, straight and wide.
Thanks. You are absolutely right!.
You are welcome. Heather
Thanks George, your acknowledgement is much appreciated.
Thanks a lot Tunedal
Thanks Idealgoal for your acknowlegement
I’m halfway through the book myself…very enlightening to see what/where/how the Independent movement is headed. It’s very good.
Thanks a lot Hans Solo
Thank you Halina. I do remember you and so does Heather. Yes it was an exciting time in Toronto in the HGC in which your causitiveness and ARC was one of the key factors in the boom.
Thanks very much Tango 23
Thanks for your welcome Alaska Ron
thanks icarol
Pierre and Heather. Thank you for your contribution and help in the past. Welcome to the real world of independent free thinking beings. Your future is before you. To play your own games, with your own goals, and to flourish and prosper is what you have the ability to do. Thank you for writing the data an details that you provided. Another chink in the wall. Enjoy your spiritual freedom – to be, to do and to have as you choose!
thanks a lot Wendy.
Thanks a lot. Wish I could read German. So glad that your blog exists in German – wish there was one like Marty’s in French.
thanks Yvonne. Your congratulations are much appreciated. We’ll see where we go from here.
BMOKC,
“Help me out,folks. While I am the resident “scientology geek” in my circle of friends & family. I have always wondered, for the people who were there in 1995. Was it just how Jason Beghe described it. He could not BELIEVE that the C0$, was going to try and charge people for the same Basics again.
I wanna know what you people were sitting their and thinking or feeling, – underneath the hip hip hoorays and standing ovations and plastic smiles—what the hell were you thinking while gritting through your smiles!”
I think the date you are referring to is 2007 as regards the Basics release. The 1996 date relates to the so called “Golden Age of Tech”. And that was largely new drills packs, drills simulator, etc. I think that also hatched the three swing F/N Demented auditor Management process from the anointed one.
As regards your question…..I really wasn’t thinking but rather just doing ….what we were told to do. By 2007 I was thinking and looking and when we were told to ‘toss’ our old outdated books’ or bring them into the org……..I said NO. My smile of 1995 turned to a nasty frown within 10 years. Then came meltdown and SRA’s! Don’t ask why it took so long because I have no answer.
Schopenhauer once said that TRUTH passes through three stages:
1) First – It is ridiculed
2) Second – it is violently opposed
3) Third – It becomes self evident
CO$ is moving from the second to the third stage now IMHO! (Although the post my Martin Padfield yesterday from the IAS event shows that there are many still in the first group!) Glad this group is beyond the third and very happy to be here.
I second that motion!!!
What a story! Welcome and congratulations on reclaiming your freedom.
Thanks a lot Mike
Congratulations, Pierre and Heather. I hope you find much joy in this next phase.
Did you happen to know John and Tucker Farrell, by any chance? They were instrumental in setting up Scientology in Australia in the 1950’s but later went to Toronto, I believe.
Thanks you very much Super Aude
Pierre et al!
Welcome to the freezone.
Glad to hear you and yours got out.
I studied in Toronto in the first part of the 70’s.
We now have a small group getting at it in Vancouver
The bridge is alive and well out here in the freezone.
ARC
Tim Daigle
Thanks very much Steve. I must admit with all this validation coming my way I feel as good as I ever felt. I look forward to the future.
Welcome into the sunshine Pierre. Your story is particularly interesting for the length of its history and the first hand experience of the changes you witnessed.
Well done on toughing it out and on seeing the light. Another seasoned auditor and C/S is certainly welcomed in the independent community.
Your experiences and first hand accounts of the destruction of delivery are invaluable. Many are those that will benefit from your telling.
glad to have you among us.
Tim Swanson
Hi Pierre and Heather-All I can say is all the competent, cool people are coming out!!!What will dm be left with??
I was there BDM (before dm) and it was DIFFERENT and way more theta. And now ADM, out here in the Indie field it is way more theta!
A big WELCOME!
Thank you! I don’t feel old anymore.
Pierre & Heather,
Great write up indeed! You certainly made your mark
and made your presence felt across Canada!
Hearty congratulations for leaving behind, the insanity of
miscarriage and his “church of spiritual $laveology.”
Big welcome to you both, where you will find that one precious
commodity in abundance: Good ol’ SELF -DETERMINISM!
Right here amongst a large community of REAL, gutsy, witty,
nonchalant, fiery, agreeable (or not!) friendly (mostly!) but
most of all —lively, and aware people!
Marty, our super hard working host, has made it possible, to
overturn the previously taboo restriction on looking at any
data, information or beliefs NOT sanctioned by the CO$
through the resolute application of unshakable faith in his
own ability and doggedly following through, when many
before him have been stopped an / or bought off.
At the same time, the courage of Steve Hall and Mike Rinder
have been a massive influence in attaining this new state
of reformation, as well as many other fearless individuals.
Of course, the biggest liberator of minds, the Internet, has
played a huge role in facilitating this new freedom, and now
enables people to enjoy their easy access to each other
and to a GOLD MINE of cogs and realizations about life,
themselves and the lives of so many!
Fun filled times, and hilarious inputs and light hearted
“theta – jousting” make this a special place to visit, each
day, while getting to grips the the business end of dealing
with the rapidlly expiring, dodgiest of dodgers, hiding in his
Golden Bunker. (remember Adolf & Saddam, davey?)
Looking forward to hearing about your upcoming wins,too!
Just my 10 c. worth,
true ARC,
Calvin B.Duffield,
Durban, South Africa
Thanks Pierre. Every time someone announces that they are now independent, I get a release. It’s a third or forth dynamic thing I suppose.
“Cult leader David Miscavige”. Wow, David made the Sun in the U.K.!
Amazing that he tolerated “the public” for four entire hours! Although he WAS doing all the talking.
I wonder where they shipped those 2000 of the 3000 strong in from?
I wonder who got sent to RPF for torture as a result of the media presence? I mean, how many got sent to the RPF.
Oh! The celebrity ball of the year for Scientology! Not to honor any auditor, but to worship David Miscavige for four hours in person!
Are you still writing? I remember you showing me something you had written decades ago. You were doing pretty good.
Heather, is that true? Are LRH’s books now public domain? I thought that the copyright period was extended by the government via bill sponsored by Sonny Bono.
I considered when I heard of all the re-writes, that there maybe a copyright angle to it, but nothing was ever done as far as I know to find out for sure.
Hi;
Yes, it wasn’t a local cold, it was an international virus.
Hi Heather,
Thanks. Yes I knew breiefly John and Tuck Farrel as I did Level 0 in Toronto many years ago when they were running the Org there (late sixties), They were declared back then and I really don’t remember why.
I thought they were nice people, they had a few kids. Ron Tree and Judy Thiery also worked in the Toronto Org which was on Bloor Street at the time. Anyone know where any of these people are now?
Heather Robillard
Hi Martin, Heather here, well done on your demonstration outside St. Hill. I noticed in the article about you in the Evening Standard that you lived or grew up in Hinchley Wood. I used to live in Long Ditton and went to Hinchley Wood Secondary school (many moons ago) I wondered if there are other independant Scientologists in the Hinchley Wood or Surrey area?
Glad you too escaped from the prison of $cientology.
Hope many others will make it too.
It’s a double-page spread smack bang in the middle of the paper. Just to remind those reading from the Colonies – The Sun has more ABC1 readers than any other paper in the UK, and has by far the biggest circulation. Also, quick ack to Sam for briefing the journos on answers to give security if needed (it wasn’t. Security BIG FLUNK!).
Thanks to Amy for suffering the 4-hour bum-numbing, and coming along to the Cult in Your Backyard conference the following day. All in all a rather successful week-end.
Pierre – You said in a couple points that you audited on OT 11, i.e. “The last one was on OT 11. the auditing itself was exciting
because it was totally new to me.” Is this a typo? As far as I know, there is no bridge past OT 8. OT 9 and above have never been released and they probably don’t even exist.
Wow. Bravo Pierre and Heather and welcome to the world of the free Scientologists. Declaring rour independance is certainly the correct way to use the disconnection policy like LRH intended. When it is not possible to get the SP to realize who he is and what he is doing, there is unhappily no other choice. Being out of SCN inc is the safest place to be for any Scientologist who want to remain sane and have a chance to reach for spiritual freedom. Sad but very true. Like Mike Rinder says and it gets me to have a big laugh every time: it sucks to be Miscavige.
ABC1 also known as ‘white van man’
He meant OTII. He just used 1s instead of Is for Roman numerals.
that is exactly what most OT’s and Clears do. They look normal. Do nothing OTlike. They do not attempt to proove anything. Basically to go up the bridge is not to BE OT but to be free. If you meet an OT that has to demonstrate something he did not make the grade.
Sorry, if you want a demo go to a Uri Geller show.
looks like that you have been overwhelmed by someone in order to get as much money out of you as possible.
Hi Bob,
One reference is http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm
Heather
I have met MANY OT’s. And not all of them were Scientologists! I have found there is something in every person I have ever met, something that extraordinary. There are teenagers walking the floor of the desert in Afganistan in military uniforms. That impresses me. I think it is very OT to survive in a combat zone. The guy who created Facebook built bridges between people. That was very OT. Anthony Robbins, a motivational speaker, is a very OT guy. There are a lot of OT’s around.
The thing is that people make choices. An operating thetan will make choices. It does not mean they will make the most intelligent choices. There are people that do not have much experience in social intercourse, which is an education in itself. There are people who haven’t read a book in decades. Where people go and what they do and how they decide depends upon many many factors beyond the walls of Scientology.
Yes, you will die knowing the experience they gave you. You will die knowing the experience everyone gave you, and what you TOOK from them. And you will live also on those same terms. What “everyone” has been shown as possible, is an absolute, and absolutes are not usually attainable. If you want everyone on the planet to see what you see, that could become a problem. I can feel your frustration. I was once where you are now. Trust me, you have time. You have time to work it all out. And you will pull through it and get on top of these changes in a comfortable way. People say the world in coming to an end. The truth is, we are still only the cradle.
We give one another things that don’t get lost.
You are correct. I misspoke GAT & Basics Rerelease. I was convoluting the 2 incident/stories. Thanks for the response.
..” We heard the bizarre declarations of Miscavige — including his insistence that the Holocaust was started not by Nazis but by SHRINKS.”
It’s a God damned shame when a cult leader can only bring the tone level up to BLAME for something in “the past”! Hasn’t that man seen the Clearing Course platens? You know, I don’t think he even has it going on as cult leader. The man is a dead beat as a cult leader!
Thanks for all you do Martin!
i wish i was OT X1 ! there used to be a mention these levels on the Grade
Chart. These are roman numerals. OT 11= OT two. Pierre
“OT 11” looks like a typo because he is also mentioning “OT 111”.
(If it’s no typo, we all would like to hear about it.)
I assume by “OT 11” he means OT II (2). Just a keyboard thing, not a revelation.
I read him to mean OTII.
first Own your feelings and inspect them, second try to help others.
But you did do that. Now you have havingness of your own soul
“In the last 20 years, I have not done much, disillusioned, thinking I was
too old (I’m 65).”
Kruc, I met real Clears and OTs, but it was back in the 1970s. I know what you’re talking about, and the kind of things you may have perceived.
I haven’t met any of the more recent crop of so-called OTs, but I am wiling to believe they are not the same breed of OT as I met in the past. No OT or Clear I met back then would have participated as a “Squirrel Buster”, for example. Yet a couple of those bozos were supposedly OTVIII. No way they were really OT, as far as I’m concerned.
That’s spooky. I also went to Hinchley Wood Secondary! Bloody small world eh? Hated it. But Long Ditton, or rather Thames Ditton had some of my favourite watering holes – esp The Swan. Used to row down the Thames from Winters Bridge Sea Scouts just to get a good pint!
Indies there? Well not really in that area, although I did run into a guy who also went to HW school funnily enough who did pretty much the entire Bridge outside the cult. I wasn’t from a Scn family so there was never much activity in that area. Plenty in this area these days though…
I Googled “Roman numerals”, but could not find any reference where the symbol “1” is used in roman numerals. Maybe it’s a Canadian version? 🙂
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals
Come on, MaBu! He hit a “one” instead of an “i”. This is not a mystery.
Hi Heather;
This is what I found;
…………………….
For works published between “1923 through 1963”, LRH’s time period.
If the work was “published with notice and the copyright was renewed”, then it remains “copyrighted for 95 years after publication date.”
……………………
Does this mean that the copyright for LRH books was NOT renewed?
If they were renewed, then the copyrights are still held by CST.
Did you find that the above criteria were not met?
b
Hi Bob. Can write to me via our website: http://www.thebrooster.com
Bruce
Oracle: you are spot on…I have met many OT’s too but outside of the Cult called Scamonolgy. In fact – I was more OT than any OT I ever met inside the Cult and I got out so I would not LOSE my skills and abilities. I saw many that did lose them – and they are nuts! The one’s that left regain their sanity and abilities rather quickly.
I love to help others and soon realized I can’t help anyone inside that psychotic cult – unless I become a slave – and then I follow “command intention” to- extort, bribe others and damage their lives – and take orders from a nut job in California named David Miscavige!
The best thing I did was to continue to LOOK and observe what was real – and that gave me the ability to get the hell out of that crazy, kooky cult.
Bob, He is hitting the “1” (one) instead of the “I” on purpose (like in “OT X1” in his comment above) . That is the mystery. 🙂
Learned a new word today. “Distopia”
From Wikipedia:
A dystopia is a hypothetical or otherwise imaginary society, often in the context of a work of fiction (especially one set in a speculative future), characterized by elements that are opposite to those associated with utopia. A dystopia is, therefore, a place in which “people lead dehumanized and often fearful lives”[1] or in which “everything is unpleasant or bad, typically….totalitarian or environmentally degraded.”[2] Common elements of dystopias may vary from environmental to political and social issues. Dystopian societies have culminated in a broad series of sub-genres of fiction and are often used to raise real-world issues regarding society, environment, politics, religion, psychology, spirituality, or technology that may become present in the future. For this reason, dystopias have taken the form of a multitude of speculations, such as pollution; poverty; societal collapse or political repression and totalitarianism. Famous depictions of dystopian societies include Nineteen Eighty-Four, a totalitarian invasive super state; Brave New World, where the human population is placed under a caste of psychological allocation, aspects of the film Demolition Man and Fahrenheit 451 where the state burns books out of fear of what they may incite. The Iron Heel was described by Erich Fromm as “the earliest of the modern Dystopian”.[3]”
Another example: The Church of Scientology under David Miscavige.
moderator: could you please remove the link in my above post as it is incorrect. Thanks. Heather
Congratulations Robillards! We are happy you have joined the ever growing numbers of Independents, you’ve got lots of company here. Just a few short years ago (June ’09) a few brave souls started this, (Marty Rathbun, Amy Scobee, Mike Rinder & Tom De Vocht, speaking out in the Truth Rundown series in the St. Petersburg Times) that had us riveted and never able to turn our back from those truths so bravely exposed. These are posted over on the upper right on Marty’s blog under media called the Truth Rundown. I can’t imagine what a lonely path they had to walk, attacked at every turn by CofM but now they have the support, love and gratitude of hundreds and hundreds speaking out and hundreds more in silent support and actually hundreds of non-scientologists who abhore the human rights violations, so my guess it’s now in the THOUSANDS!!
Pierre and Heather.
Fabulous write up ! What a time track !
Good on both of you. High fives !
Congratulations !
love/Karen
Hi Bob, I have never seen anyone still on post say LRH copyrights passed into the public domain but I found many places on the Internet that say they did…. I’ve pasted here one of them…
Jesse Prince is at an ASI meeting. David Miscavige, Lyman Spurlock, Vicki Aznaran, Patricia Brice and Edith Buchele are present. The meeting was about the fact that the copyrights had not been registered and thousands of pages of LRH materials were now public domain. (By law, once a copyrighted work falls into the public domain, it stays there forever. You can’t get the copyright back.)
David Miscavige orders Pat Brice to begin the process of mass copyright registration for all LRH materials. Pat Brice says it is too late and Miscavige says to do it anyway.
Then Jesse saw Pat Brice come and say ‘we can’t do this, per the law, we can’t even do this. There’s a lot of this stuff we can not do anything with it because it went into the public domain. We have no rights on these things. Miscavige jumped up and screamed at her, “I don’t care what you have to do, just do it”.
In mid 1983 a massive program to register LRH material began. They knew it was not copyright-able and Miscavige told her to do it anyway. She then proceeded to file 1000s of false copyright applications. After that, Pat Brice left the church. 10
In Scientology, a person who alters Hubbard’s issues or procedures is called a squirrel.
The Golden Age of Squirreling by RTC and Church of Scientology International began.
After Miscavige heard that the copyrights on LRH issues had not been renewed, causing those issues to fall into the public domain, Miscavige ordered Pat Brice to file for those renewals, anyway. But, that does not work, once they fall into the public domain they remain there forever, you cannot get them back.
Miscavige and his attorney pals, and Church of Spiritual Technology had a big problem. Their big plan was to be able to control all of Scientology by owning those copyrights. Their big plan was going to fail because the copyrights on LRH issues had been lost.
They tried to get around this by putting LRH HCOBs into tech volumes and then getting a copyright to cover the whole book. But, if you look at the individual HCOBs in the tech volumes, the copyright is missing on each individual one. Know why that is? Because they don’t own the copyright on it anymore, it’s in the public domain! It is there to stay.
The issues in the public domain can be used by anybody, they can be copied and sold.
Jesse says common practice is to take an issue that has fallen into the public domain, change a few lines of it, then get a copyright on their revised edition. By law the only part that is copyrighted is their change. The part that was in the public domain remains in the public domain and is not copyrighted. I’ll find the link for this an put it in another commment.
Heather
Hi again Bob, The link for the above is http://mikemcclaughry.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/scientology-roots-chapter-thirty-four-copyright-hoax-and-additional-crimes/ scroll down to just under Lymon Spurlock’s picture and the text is there.
Heather
please disregard the above statement a new post and then another post with a new link is correct.
Thanks,
Heather
bonjour mariejoe, I enjoyed reading your story too. Luv, pierre
Great job, Pierre and Heather! Welcome out and great write-up 🙂
Thanks Luis, I read you declaration too some time ago. It made a lot of sense.
Thanks for the welcome Tim. Glad to hear you have a group in Vancouver.
Hi Pierre,
Very well done to you and yours for stepping into the light and declaring Independence!
You have a long and storied history of dedication to helping others with LRH’s technology. The wins you have helped bring about in others using Scientology technology remain. No one can take that away from you or the others you have helped.
I’m glad to see that you are ready to embark on another adventure! I’m sure you’ll have fun reconnecting and making new friends.
Hello Pierre,
For many years I have tried to find out whatever happened to you and where you were…to no avail. Welcome back old friend. Bruce and I and our wives got together for the first time since the early 70s.
You were one of my best friends (you, Clark Balcom, Dorothy Anderson, sheila nagy to name a few) from my viewpoint at Toronto in 1970-71.
I still recall Anne Archer my auditor having given me such great gains in my auditing back then, the two of us walking back to 50 N. Hayden that night, making snow angels in the new heavy Torono winter snow and easily pushing a very heavy vehicle stuck in the snow back on the road to help a stranger. I left in may of 1978, ended at Saint Hill then St Louis Org on staff.any other adventures since then. left the RTC in 1986, 2 weeks after the passing of LRH, my wife and I went independent, and have been auditing and training people since then. If you have not guessed who this is by now?????? Frank Davis. Email me
porkchoplane@yahoo.com
Welcome, Pierre and Heather!!!
Thank you for sharing your parts in the history of Cof$ and telling us of some of the more recent abuses. Thank you for all you have done so far. It is easy to predict that you will both become an important part of the future of Scientology as it is being created outside the insane controls of POB.
Enjoy!
Congratulations Pierre and Heather on your newlly atained freedom may the halls of Toronto & Montreal orgs hear the roar of your voice once again and follow your lead. Well done old man lol.
Tootles
Pierre, congrats to you and your wife Heather. Great to have you in the Indie nation and here’s to a much happier life!
It’s truly good to see a good portion of the old Toronto crew still with LRH, but not with the current suppressive scene. I so much wish Clarke Balcom would come to his senses…, as well as some of the old Toronto Class VIII’s who left years ago.
Hi Heather;
Thanks for the link. It is a big site and it will take time to go through it all. I did read the section down to where you quoted.
There is an outpoint. All through the 90’s, RTC had Moxon use copyright infringement to successfully attack many x-CofS ers who were putting LRH up on the net. Many persons were attacked on such a basis, IPs removed vast numbers of LRH material. Of course, it didn’t work because all the material was mirrored instantly and just kept popping up. This was when OSA first realized they were in deep trouble on the internet, it couldn’t be controlled.
Anyway, how could OSA be so successful at attacking based on copright infringement if they didn’t have the copyrights?
b
Pierre and Heather, thanks for speaking out.
I was on Vancouver staff from 73 to 84 with a year getting Calgary going 74.
It was an exciting time with the booms and depressions. The future out here looks very bright for those who wish to create it.
Les
Like! Very pertinent word, and thanks for the word clearing.
People tend to focus on similarities. For those of you still bewitched, sitting on the fence, what are the similarities between you and David Miscavige? How many Scientologists actually have ANY similarity to David Miscavige? I ask you now to list your similarities on one side of the paper and your differences on the other side. Does anyone in this entire arena have ANY similarities to David Miscavige? Did YOU compete to take over the C of S? Well then, what similarities do YOU have with David Miscavige? Frankly, between all of us, I do not know of one single person among us , who worked so hard and so passionately to be in total control of EVERYTHING outside of David Miscavige. I do not think anyone involved with the Church of Scientology has ANYTHING in similarities with David Miscavige!
David, you think you “won” because you assumed your position. You think you “won” because you reached for something nobody else wanted. You are on such a different purpose line than the others.
Nobody else wanted to be the “YOU”, that You became. How easy was that?
Thanks Tootles
Thanks Tootles.
This is a very good observation. In fact I am going to read it again.
Heather
Thanks Shannon.
Thanks Les. I was reading about Your Life Enhancement Centre. Sounds like a very peaceful theta place.
Heather
Pierre,
Thank you for having the courage to stand up and fill in the blanks. Your write up will be very helpful for others.
Congratulations to you and Heather on your new life with family and friends. I’m sure it will only get better!
mercibeaucoup jacques and thanks for your heart warming phone call.
Getting out of SCNinc is great, opening the door to a brand new exciting
world is even greater. arc pierre
thank you karen. Did you ever come to montreal and had trouble at
the border but handle it? If so, I remember you. Luv, Pierre
Thanks everybody for your wonderful theta please don’t stop sending it.
We would love to hear from more people from Montreal & Toronto (even if under that radar or on the fence) We will be back tonight (we both work full time) and will reply to any more comments then.
Much ARC,
Pierre & Heather
Hello Pierre 🙂
So happy you found your way out of the lies and back to truth again. Enjoy your freedom 🙂 xxx
Hello Pierre and Heather — Wonderful write up and terrific productive history.
I *just* missed you in Toronto where I went on mission from Flag sometime in ’77 or ’78 — with Alan Buchanen (RIP) to “boom” Toronto and put in the purif, which was then only on telex lines. I had the part of the mission for the purif and Alan had the production side. Emile Gilbert was dusted off and brought back in — to the horror of many and joy of a few others.
In any case — it was an exciting time. I can’t remember the name of the gal who was the AG PR at the time — but I liked her well enough — unless she is recently out — I think she’s still heavily into the kool-aid.
Before that time I was in Toronto having been sent by Yvonne to help CC Toronto – Bridgette and Jack Manning (how are they?)
Great city — glad to see that there is now 2 very young and able old-timers ready to make the place hum again.
Love,
Christine
AG PR might have been Susan (nee) Morgan.
Nope but thanks — her husband owned/ran a successful construction company I think … they had a few dollars 🙂
Yee Haw! Welcome, Pierre and Heather, to the Indie Movement! Thank you for your detailed write-up of your history. It is very clear that you have many abilities, talents, and training, (the original LRH kind) which will make you and Heather, (this applies to both of you) very valuable in creating the New Civilization based on the real Scientology philosophy that LRH created.
Many of us had failed purposes on being able to do that, and the Independent movement gives us a way to rehabilitate those failed purposes. It definitely is a NEW LIFE when one is not suppressed on the third dynamic by false tech and arbitraries forced on one that don’t make any sense, especially the arbitrary of ENFORCED DISCONNECTION and BEING DECLARED AN EVIL PERSON (SUPPRESSIVE PERSON) when one questions those things that don’t make sense. It is too bad that the Church had to become it’s own HELD DOWN SEVEN in the game of life!! Thank God,and LRH, that the philosophy has the ability to correct itself, and we have the ability to correct ourselves.
I got into Scientology on September 30, 1971 and remember when it was booming! My org had to audit me in a bathroom that was really a closet, and we rented an extra building a few doors down the street just for all the people on the HAS course, which we called The Communication Course. It was a wonderful and happy time. People were lighthearted and excited about Scientology, and the staff cared for the PERSON, and the money was secondary. People wanted to spread the word, and I sold DMSMH paperbacks door to door (on my own initiative) because it was important to me that people know about it. I do whatever I can in present time to make certain that people in my environment know how fantastic the technology of Scientology is, and that the current management does not practice the correct technology. Once that is out of the way, it is very easy to disseminate, as people need the technology now more than ever!
Again, welcome, and enjoy yourselves! And, thank you for all that you have both done for Scientology in the past.
Love,
Catherine von Ach
Austin, Texas
Hi Bob, let me know if you get any answers to your question as I have the exact same question.
Cher Pierre je t’ai rencontre a Montreal en 1992. J’aimerais te parler
Very Interesting.
Thank you Heather. Welcome to the Independents! Thank you for all that you are!
Mike and Marty would know. Mike was involved in application of anti-copyright legal issues. I remember seeing Mike in the raid on Dennis Erlick’s home, getting the computers and stuff.
A life time ago…
Just once again to welcome you back to the world Pierre. When you nget nthe timne email me, Frank Davis (we were on staff together back in 1970-71 at Toronto. Did many orgs and much training and auditing since last saw you when you we AG at Toronto when my wife and I visited there.
porkchoplane@yahoo.com
salut admin, voici mon adresse de couriel
nomoresilent@hushmail.com
Hello Christine, I definitely know all these people you mention, I haven’t
lived in Toronto since mid 1980. But I know that none of those guys mentioned are on Toronto lines.
Heather thinks she might have met you at Flag in1976 or 77 when she was doing the ED hat and internship
Love,
Pierre
Hi Frank, I sent you an email.
Pierre
Hi Catherine, You sound like an interesting lady. Were you always in Austin Texas? When we sold books in 1971 it was on the main street in Toronto. (we had a book unit that consisted of four or more people and we all traveled in a bread truck with
Dianetics logo on it. I guess much like you did door to door My wife Heather was the Letter Reg at the time and she had the job of writing to all the people that bought books.
Love Pierre & Heather
Hi Admin, my email address is nomoresilent@hushmail.com
Hi Frank, I did send you an email.
Hi Frank, I did send you an email.
Love Neil. Love the song. Love the point you made with the line from his song. Agreed. Very theta.
Beautiful.
Mine’s arriving Friday!
Thanks Pierre.
Yes indeed. What a great memory you have !
Please Email me. Karendelac@gmail.com
love/karen
Thanks Sam
Allo Pierre et Heather de Montreal!
I have met you both in MTL after 93 especially Heather and her friend or daugther(I’m not sure) when there was a St-Hill Event.
Me I’m out since 2012 (January)Declared, mainly because I send the e-mail of Debbie Cook to all my contacts.
I will e-mail you,
arc Sylvain D.
WOW ! Phenomenal pedigree ! Félicitations !
1. Thank you for your dedicated service and contributions
2. Welcome aboard the Independent Scientologists
From what I’ve seen on the page so far, you’ve already re-connected with true friends. That’s fantastic! Better brace yourself ’cause it will get even better 🙂
My best wishes.
Great word!
Sentence: I experienced a dystopian society first hand during my years as a Sea Org Member.
Our border/customs agents couldn’t fathom this most precious gem 🙂
Hi Sylvain, Look forward to receiving your emai
Heather
Hey Pierre.. Great write up and great memories via the followup comments! Wherever posted.. the experience was amazingly similar for all! Gee! I was staff at Miami, EULO, Flag, ASHO F, Snr C/S CC INT… and C/S for the FIRST Indie Mission (The Clear Center in LA, 80s..). And I feel like I just attended a big CLASS REUNION EVENT! Ian Waxler
Hi! I miss you. I just read “going clear” and feel its very accurate. How are things?
great to hear from you. please send me an e-mail at nomoresilent@hushmail.com luv pierre
Hey Jacque; So wonderful to find you on this Blog. I would love to get in comm with you. You helped me out with some money back in 1982 or 3 sometime, then we lost the connection. You were very kind and special to me and my family. Please do say Hi at this email anytime: gallian101@gmail.com I am thrilled to know you made it out and are free to FLY! Also I would like to get some comm to Pierre & Heather as well, if you have their email, that would be great. PS: last time we saw each other it was with Pierre in a restaurant.
Hey Pierre: So great to see you – find you here. Would love to reconnect with you. Think Toronto Org 74 – 75, wife’s of that time named, Cindee and that might ring a bell. No big mystery intended but surprises are fun too, so email me at gallian101@gmail.com – would LOVE to hear from you.