The following is a report from Invest Aide OSA INT (Office of Special Affairs International, the propaganda and dirty tricks arm of David Miscavige’s church of Scientology International) on dealing with Scientology critic David S. Touretzky – professor at Carnegie Mellon University. Note that it is titled “DR”. That stands for Daily Report. There are dozens of these daily reports in OSA INT files on Touretzky. There are hundreds of such reports on more effective critics. There are thousands of these types of reports on those critics whom David Miscavige considers a threat to himself personally and who have withstood Scientology’s wrath over time. Ask yourself: should United States taxpayers be subsidizing an organization that spends its considerable dollars on such hijinks? And, what is with Scientology’s apparent predilection for inserting sex toys into their operations?
April 27, 2006
D/CO EXT OSA INT
CC: CO OSA INT
INVEST CHIEF OSA INT
DR – David Touretzky – 27 April
This is an update on Touretzky.
Feedback on Touretzky: Greenway claimed that the producer of the MSNBC show Touretzky was on a last week was impressed with Touretzky’s performance and wants to use him for any future shows on Scientology. Greenway said that she wants Touretzky to become the “voice of the critics” and not Lerma or Tory (she hates both of them). Greenway that the Church never leaves Touretzky alone. She said that she never asked him about the dildo which some CMU students put up on a website. She thinks the Church made up the dildo invoice and sent it to Schwarz.
Greenway was told that it really looks like some disgruntled CMU student who has a bone to pick with Touretzky put up the website (a site by a “student” critical of DST). Greenway insisted that it is done by the Church (Greenway is upset about the CMU students’ website and the dildo’s exposure). Greenway talked about how the Church has gotten numerous letters sent to CMU about Touretzky including one from Hillary Clinton asking that he be fired, but CMU still stands behind him because they don’t care what he does on his free time. (This is a falsehood as he does not perform all of his anti-Scientology activities during his free time and we have documented evidence showing that he is doing it from CMU).
Greenway said that every time Touretzky does something against the Church he sends the legal department at CMU a packet of information concerning his activities so that they are briefed when the Church contacts them about this.
Following are updates on the handling steps previously laid out:
1. Get the NY PI to relay the article on Cohon and get the feedback from his media contacts about getting it printed.
The NY PI spoke with his contacts at UPI and AP. They have received the proposed article and said that they are going to research and then submit it to their editors. The PI reminded both of his contacts that Touretzky is [ deletion of salacious – quite apparently false – accusation], and then we are going to have another Columbine because of him. The contacts agreed and said they will get back to the PI about the story.
2. The alumni to complete going through the records and find alumni they can trust to brief and activate on DST.
Another Scientologist alumnus was found. His name is Christopher Rath. He will be contacted and activated.
3. Debug done on getting a resource on the chat room.
This prediction line has been debugged. We now have a person that is on IRC and he has set up a totally secure connection and the line is operational to log the chat sessions. DST is still active on this chat daily.
4. FOIA request project written and started with at least 2 FOIA requests filed.
Seven FOIA requests were filed with the NSF on people that are connected to Touretzky as they either worked with Touretzky in the past or are currently. The people are: Walter Schneider, Tai Sing Lee (CMU Computer Science Dept.), James McClelland (Psychology Dept & CNBC Director), Julie Fiez (Pitt Psych Dept), William Skaggs (Pitt Neuro Science Dept), Daniel Simons and G. Bard Emerntrout.
5. Get out the new requests to NSF on the “desk audit” CMU did at NSF’s request on Touretzky’s grants and get out the new request for data on Scientology. (This is a follow up on a cycle that had been dropped earlier).
The new request was drafted and was sent to [deletion – attorney information] for ok. [deletion – attorney information] Two went out from the Church and the third one will go from a private individual.
6. Get Freedom the rest of the briefing materials on Touretzky that is needed for them to put an article together about DST/CMU.
The materials were put provided to Tom Whittle who is researching and drafting an article on Touretzky and CMU.
7. Get current students and parents of current CMU students located for the purpose of getting these parents briefed on Touretzky and willing to take actions.
No current CMU students or parents of CMU students have been found so far. The PI in Pittsburgh is checking with various contacts and comm lines he has to locate them. The PI has closed and started a resource who is a student at CMU who is doing a special training on computer systems at CMU. The resource is 43 years old and he will be used to befriend Touretzky, and find names of current CMU students who can then be surveyed to get their parents contacted and stirred up.
8. Offensive postings continued.
BS continued to push her message about Jared Cohon condoning Touretzky.
9. John Fisher (alumnus) meeting at CMU.
On Saturday alumnus John Fisher’s, was further briefed and prepped for his meeting this week with two CMU faculty members (Fisher was called to CMU to assist in so matters related to the university). Fisher was given a briefing pack about Touretzky and he would take up Touretzky’s actions with these faculty members and get them to agree to take action. John Fisher will be back in LA on Thursday morning and we will then get his debrief and work out the next action.
This is ok.
What, nothing about Bruce Thompson? He’s the Philly OSA who was sent on missions to Pittsburgh to work on Dave.
Thanks for posting this.
This is completely disgusting. I am so sick of them having tax exemption and using that money to further this insidious agenda. If that professor has tenure, it would take a LOT for the university to let him go. Especially if they are at all familiar with CO$ dirty tricks.
I would love to see a blog done with any kind of advice you could give on where to start with getting the tax exemption removed. You are a wealth of knowledge. Something in this area would be helpful. There are a LOT if people who would jump on it.
OSA is a strange group, because it is composed of weird people. The DSA NY spied on me and my family for 10 years at a business she ran under the table up the street from my house with other members of the church in New York, BEFORE she “gracefully” accepted the post of DSA NY. Can you imagine using ME, Lawrence, as an excuse to hold job in an Org?! 🙂 I sat down with my famly and discussed it. Obviously they were afraid of me for some reason. I breathed a sigh of relief when I learned this. And concurrent with this, one looks around the globe at CMU and sees that wherever there is an OSA nearby one finds these deranged activities going on. It is like saying “I got into Scientology to get rid of the causes of all the negative tendencies I have, so that now when I do these things I know it is for the church and the greatest good and not some part of my bank I am listening to. That’s cause over life” 🙂 Is it really? Way to go OSA! You’ll have ten new ridges before you know it at that level of operating thetan! 🙂
Looks like the cob is a J. Edgar Hoover wanna be.
“Frits” is probably Frits Kevenaar, who is listed in a number of lists of OSA personnel. I do not, however, know anything else about him other than his wife and daughter and that he appears to be Dutch.
This has nothing to do with a Church, with kindness, with seeing others do well, with helping and living in harmony with your neighbor and so on.
It is completely another world; corrupt, surreptitious, covert and that, with hate and revenge, attack those who have a different opinion.
You can’t be both: a Church that promotes well being and sanity and activities that are full of hate.
The corrupt and criminal ones will choose and behave fully on the deteriorated, out of reality with others, group.
Is BS Barbara Schwartz?
It might help to look for Godefridus Victor Balthasar (Frits) Kevenaar. I don’t know, just a suggestion.
Well, now. It has long been speculated that Barbara “Babbles” Schwarz, official Net.Kook was being used as an OSA resource. This document is the first I’ve ever seen to document that.
Michael A. Hobson
The crazy thing is when you grow up in scientology you think these types of things are normal.
You’re right. Hoover was into dirty tricks too.
And the avatar photo is Hilarious!
We need better laws in this country to protect the public from destructive cults. This is typical for what cults do …. ALL OF THEM. It’s just pathetic.
I’ve seen various reports ending with “This is ok.”
What does that mean?
I see the CoS/OSA has David Touretzky on their uber creepy and uber bogus “Religious Freedom Watch” hate website which they recently admitted to creating in court. Infiltration, propaganda, dirty tricks, black PR, extortion under the cloak of “religion”? It’s Nazi.
Daily Reports on the organizational progress achieved by the Church of Scientology in trying to destroy peoples’ lives, as a 100% standard application of L Ron Hubbard’s holy Scientology scripture.
All received daily by the Pope of Scientology, David Miscavige.
This is a tax exempt religion in the United States, protected by the first amendment to the US Constitution.
They are even able to recruit Hillary Clinton to help destroy peoples’ lives. They can do this because of their position as a recognized tax exempt religion in the United States.
Think of that: Hillary Clinton was part of an OSA OP!
Oh my god that is funny.
Hillary Clinton is an OSA Spai!!!
Or an OSA DUPE.
I’m laughing, but I do not think Hillary’s campaign manager for 2016 is going to like this.
I need a rolling on the floor fucking laughing my ass off smiley – stat!
THE CREED OF THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY
“We of the church believe that all men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others.”
L Ron Hubbard
THE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGING
Come gather ’round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You’ll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you
Is worth savin’
Then you better start swimmin’
Or you’ll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin’.
Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won’t come again
And don’t speak too soon
For the wheel’s still in spin
And there’s no tellin’ who
That it’s namin’
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin’.
Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don’t stand in the doorway
Don’t block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There’s a battle outside
And it is ragin’
It’ll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin’.
Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don’t criticize
What you can’t understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Please get out of the new one
If you can’t lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin’.
The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin’.
For many years the Co$ has been using dirty OSA tricks and the courts to ruin utterly anyone they deem an enemy.
The times are changing indeed.
It would be great if a Mole would leak the list of OSA bots currently working in the cult. Does anyone know how OSA operates at the Class 5 level of Org? Missions? Are they public or staff members or both? Yes – it is time that the US Government yank the Cult of Scientology’s tax exempt status. What kind of Church lies to the parishioner’s about where the money is spent and then harasses anyone who has a right to freedom of speech to talk about what Scientology really is – a CULT! This Professor did not sign the Staff Contract that states “I agree to give up my right to freedom of Speech” like the poor and stupid OSA agents do. Those fools – Scientology is incredibly evil and it turns good people into evil robots if they stay in long enough! OSA SUCKS!
For a while I was doing DRs (Daily Reports) on Alan Walter and “Monte Drake – Private Investigator” operations (his employee infiltrated the Alan Walter group in Nacona, TX – Knowledgism).
The Private Investigator expenses were enormous. Multiply this by every West US and East US DSA, and add Flag, and you get a picture of millions of dollars per year going into this nonsense “non-profit-church” activity worldwide (I imagine that Germany alone, at certain times might have matched or exceeded any USA sector).
Very little ever turned up – most of it personal to Alan and nobody’s business. Yes, Alan was somewhat money-oriented – money-motivated, but he was not “out-exchange.” He had happy clients – more so than the church percentages, by far. He audited rich elites, but also made very sure that his center and ranch were affordable and open to all.
Alan Walter never really attacked the church and had to completely re-write the tech in a new language – at his own time and expense – to try to make the church happy (yet they still hounded him with organizational infiltration to the end of his life).
Security about all this was hyper-fanatical. I had to speak of this in whispers, use initials ‘ACW’ rather than his name, and…
Once when I copied my superior (Pam Bowen) on a test encrypted e-mail (“Hello – is this working?”) to Monte Drake, I was reprimanded for “out-security” and told never to send anything – even encrypted. DUH! The program we drew up specified that’s how we would communicate and yet… – the hyper-paranoia on all that was surrrrrreal.
I well remember this Pam gal – how she would audibly gasp(!) in horror every time I dared point out how silly it was, how we sometimes went about things. She was one serious…(yah-no-what-I-mean?)… and in her mind I guess, I was a “loose cannon.”
But fear not.
I may not be bolted down, but I know exactly where to shoot!
DSA CCDallas – 1999-2004
DSA Costa Rica – -2009
Independent Scientology Auditor Class 0+ – 2010-present day active
How bad is Scientology? It is always worse than you think. More dildo’s? Hillary Clinton involved? David Miscavige is a “J. Edgar Hoover wanna be.”
darn it. i had started a lengthy piece on irs tax exemption and inurement that i intended to post on mr. ortega’s, mr. rinder’s and mr. rathbun’s websites but, in the interim, my hard drive died and i lost the piece, which was three pages long at the time. looks like i will have to take the time to re-create and get the message out. much respect to you, mr. and mrs. rathbun. may you win your case against the co$.
What a waste of good peoples effort and resources. To think I donated money which eventually contributed to things like this.
Spying, Stalking, intimidating, using male penises (dildos) as some kind of grotesque vigilante device. kidnapping, holding against will, holding in isolation, devising programs to “utterly destroy” the target, all done by ‘Sea org members who have signed billion year “Religious” commitments for ECCLESIASTICAL DUTIES.
“Executives may not OK anything done or to be done below their level unless their immediate junior has also stated or attested with initial that it is OK.
“Unless one can fix responsibility for actions there is no responsibility anywhere and the whole show goes to pot.
“Never let a junior say, ‘Is this OK?’
“Always require the junior to state or initial, ‘This is Okay’ on all work, actions or projects.”
(HCO PL 13 October 65)
Exactly. Then you find yourself puzzled about why everyone else seems so upset. Kind of like, “Well, yeah, doesn’t everyone [big organisation] do this?”
Can you hook up the drive to another operational system and see if you can still access it to retrieve data?
Well, I see that Scientology Inc. is still applying LRH tech.
The fraudulent business pretending to be a “church” (The “church” of $cientology, Int) once again proves how far they’ve moved from actually doing *anything* religious, kind, caring, or useful. I’ve told you forever, “Dave” Tick Tock, Tick Tock: Time IS on *our* side! Your empty, dead “orgs” are pathetic and you insisting the members pay for your gigantic, empty buildings is even worse while you roll around in your bullet proof car. Chicken shit! Grand Opening? What a joke. See ya there, “Dave” 🙂
PS: And “Greenway hating Lerma and Tory” is just FUNNY!
Bring it all out to the light of day.
You are a great writer and you have a lot of very important information to share with the world.
Bring it all out. Names, places, events, dates.
All of it.
Sunshine disinfects. And there is a lot of cleaning up to do with the Church of Scientology.
The time and energy that this Scientology criminal cult devotes to intelligence gathering and the infiltration of legitimate, honest critics is evidence of the madness, the insanity, that IS Scientology.
No ‘religion” in history has EVER, EVER been so invested in the concept and practice of the personal destruction of individual critics as Scientology.
In the US, this cancer is a recognized religion, and thus its excision by means of law enforcement is problematic.
The internet, and the popular culture, however, have the power to cause it to wither on the vine. Sooner, rather than later, please.
“Offensive postings/BS continued to push her message about Jared Cohon condoning Touretzky.”
I’m guessing that’ll be Barbara Schwarz. At the time, I assumed that she was being used since her connection with RCS was quite deniable.
Do you have an update on the letter you sent them?
I really want to know what’s up with this legally.
Yes, I think you’re right.
I would love to see more documentation of other people who have been part of OSA Ops against critics, either knowingly or not.
I’ll bet there are other familiar names who should be seeing the light of day.
Hillary Clinton pretty much takes the cake, though.
LOL!! Still laughing.
I second that!
Here is Hubbard’s Big Brother mandate, out of Frank Oliver’s Investigations Full Hat:
“Intelligence is mostly the collection of data on people which may add up to a summary of right or wrong actions on their parts.
It is basically a listening and filing action. It is done all the time about everything and everybody. Then one day some random data make a summation that can be used. “It all adds up”. But if one never collected data, there would be nothing to add up.”
Gee-whiz Ron, I thought this was all about spiritual counseling.
Where have I seen all of this before?
OSA Information Retrieval Apparatus:
Here is some of the work that David Touretsky has done to expose the Church of Scientology:
The Secrets of Scientology
The Lisa McPherson Clause
Scientology Pickets Carnegie Melon
The Secret Library of Scientology – what L Ron Hubbard would not want you to read
Stop Narconon – Protecting the vulnerable from Narconon/Scientology
Personally, I’m bemused at your collective vehement reaction of OSA practices (even if at times over the top), when you look toward history and recall the squabbles and, yes, even wars between the Holy See and the various Crowns of Europe. And, what of the examples of the Prophets and the differences they sometime had with the Kings of Judea? Someday, a court case will rise to the level of the Supreme Court in the U.S. which will settle some of these outstanding finer points of ecclesiastical autonomy
separate from the secular, but when and which case?
Please up your IAS status. This shit costs money, lol
For those of you who watch House of Cards on Netflix….DM is the Francis Underwood character to a tee! 🙂
Those who continue the ‘Ron is a new GOD’ mantra will continue to display devotional lunacy where crimes and criminality are wholly justified.
Welcome to Scientology?!?!?!
The Sea Organization is a communist society.
Communism (from Latin communis – common, universal) is a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology and movement that aims at the establishment of this social order”.
It is typical in these societies where each person is expected to wear the hat of a police officer, to create spies and plants and covert operations and infiltrate. The Sea Organization is a government. (A government is the system by which a state or community is governed). see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government
Communists by rule, are anti religious. Until recently, in communist countries, religion was illegal. My husband grew up in a communist country and had to buy a Bible on the black market (and keep it very hidden to be read in secret).
Bella Dodd is a famous former communist agent whistle blower and explains how part of the communist plan was to infiltrate churches to bring them down. Communistic structures in themselves are as anti religious as it gets. Work is enforced and people must carry little passport type of books which keep their employment status up to date. Police are allowed to stop anyone anytime for interrogation on whim. If you are caught not working you are hauled off to prison. If you do not report your neighbors for wrong doing, you are held accountable as well for the wrong doing.
The Sea Org Government has slid further into communism now with the demand that people surrender their civil rights if they choose to be “part of the group” (Sea Org Group). As the rest of the world rises above communism and places it on the shelf as an unworkable solution, the Sea Org slides further into it’s practices. Removing themselves from the government the rest of us coordinate with and separating itself from the constitution and surrendering their rights. All the while with CCHR promoting itself as a human rights voice! See this clause in the latest laws enforced on all staff:
“…. I also know that I am giving up forever some very important personal rights under the United States Constitution. But I also understand that I would not be permitted to serve as a member of the Church staff unless I agreed in advance to the terms of this Non-Disparagement Covenant.”
Well, first of all, what a waste of time. I am sure nobody signing this was provided with an attorney for legal advise and being dependent upon the “Church”, is a form of duress. So, It just turns out to be a testament as to the true nature of David Miscavige. Probably the worst P.R. I have yet seen for the “Church”. It may be the cause for revocation of tax exempt status. Forcing people to surrender their constitutional, civil, and human rights crosses WAY BEYOND the line between Church and State. This should be sitting flat in the middle of the Attorney Generals’ desk as a 911.
But, for all of the I.A.S. threats issued to group “members”, Note, no longer “followers of L. Ron Hubbard”, that place gets away with murder (literally) and they are not considered a threat to anyone since David Miscavige took over. And trust me, they KNOW EVERYTHING.
If grown assed adults want to live on tampon allowance, eat bad food, dress up in military clothes, play 007 Bond games, volunteer to be bitch slapped pimped in the ground and abused by a sociopath, that happens to be their RIGHT too. And I will not be any more popular to point out, the people who volunteer for this type of masochistic lifestyle can turn real sadistic towards others when they choose. It is a sado masochistic type of situation. And that is exactly how it viewed by the general public at this point.
That said, the “Church” is NOT a success business enterprise. Sorry, it just is not. If they ever had to pay fair wages the place would have folded half a century ago. It is not hard to keep the front doors open when you have no payroll to speak of, except for your COB and his legal and living expenses, although David is extremely high maintenance. They can not survive now even selling and delivering Scientology, the place floats on donations and David has run the place into poverty otherwise by destroying it’s P.R. or and good will it could have previously claimed. He has covertly bankrupted the place and covered it up with beggars.
Hubbard was not a successful businessman before he wrote Dianetics. I am not sure how much of the fault is his business plans or the staff that never finished high school or read a book and wanted to be abused. Or abuse others. But the combination has been a disaster.
I am still at a loss for words for people who thought exploring Scientology was a trip to heaven and Hubbard was God. For Christ’s sake the guy had a driver’s license and social security card. Go figure. Talk about a wrong item on a list. No wonder……. Anyone reading the sec checks he mocked up could figure out that guy was a long way from “holy”. And that doesn’t concern me. But some folk thought he was supposed to be holy because he was supposed to God and are thoroughly dismayed to discover, No, no holy man here either. Frankly, not sure if one exists at all. And I have no interest in being one myself. What a fraud.
All of that said, I think Hubbard was way off when he said, “You can’t be half in and half out of Scientology”. I did it and it worked out fine for me.
I am still getting auditing. I have not been disappointed. The rest is just crazy.
This is a book amount of material.
Later down the road, someone ought do a book, and include all the docs you are putting up.
Or this site’s content needs be published somewhere, in a volume, for history.
This DR from Fritz on Touretzky could get local media and should get media attention.
I wish this could have been revealed years earlier, like back in 2006.
This is Scientology’s Stasi files coming to light, wish a lot more would come out!
How to get their whole file system out, and let some history minded people paw through them all, and see the extent of this whole massive document behind the scene life of Office of Special Affairs.
Anyways, here in Pittsburgh, I think this ought be picked up, at least on campus newspapers and City Paper, and the Pittsburgh Post Gazette.
For the curious. Quotes by Bella Dodd communist agent flipped whistle blower on infiltration. This is Communistic operating basis.
Mrs Dodd said: “In the 1930s we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within.” The idea was for these men to be ordained and progress to positions of influence and authority as Monsignors and Bishops. A dozen years before Vatican II she stated that: “Right now they are in the highest places in the Church” – where they were working to bring about change in order to weaken the Church’s effectiveness against Communism. She also said that these changes would be so drastic that “you will not recognize the Catholic Church.”
Mrs Dodd, who converted to the Faith at the end of her life, was personally acquainted with this diabolic project since, as a Communist agent, part of her brief was to encourage young radicals (not always card-carrying Communists) to enter Catholic seminaries. She alone had encouraged nearly 1,000 such youngsters to infiltrate the seminaries and religious orders! One monk who attended a Bella Dodd lecture in the early 1950s recalled:
“I listened to that woman for four hours and she had my hair standing on end. Everything she said has been fulfilled to the letter. You would think she was the world’s greatest prophet, but she was no prophet. She was merely exposing the step-by-step battle plan of Communist subversion of the Catholic Church. She explained that of all the world’s religions, the Catholic Church was the only one feared by the Communists, for it was its only effective opponent. The whole idea was to destroy, not the institution of the Church, but rather the Faith of the people, and even use the institution of the Church, if possible, to destroy the Faith through the promotion of a pseudo-religion: something that resembled Catholicism but was not the real thing. Once the Faith was destroyed, she explained that there would be a guilt complex introduced into the Church…. to label the ‘Church of the past’ as being oppressive, authoritarian, full of prejudices, arrogant in claiming to be the sole possessor of truth, and responsible for the divisions of religious bodies throughout the centuries. This would be necessary in order to shame Church leaders into an ‘openness to the world,’ and to a more flexible attitude toward all religions and philosophies. The Communists would then exploit this openness in order to undermine the Church.”
This conspiracy has been confirmed time and again by Soviet defectors. Ex-KGB officer Anatoliy Golitsyn, who defected in 1961 and in 1984 forecast with 94% accuracy all the astonishing developments in the Communist Bloc since that time, confirmed several years ago that this “penetration of the Catholic and other churches” is part of the Party’s “general line [i.e. unchanged policy] in the struggle against religion.” Hundreds of files secreted to the West by former KGB archivist Vassili Mitrokhin and published in 1999 tell a similar tale, about the KGB cultivating the closest possible relationships with ‘progressive’ Catholics and financing their activities.”
In her book “School of Darkness”, she defines the Communist Party’s purpose “was in reality a device to control the ‘common man'”.
From these links:
Good to hear from you again.
And it is happening right now in the good ole US of A. Piece by piece. In all large groups (including govts), corruption and power, (including money and possessions) is at the heart of all substantial problems.
By the way, “You can’t be half in and half out of Scientology”, is a Can’t Have.
And a Must Have at the same time.
Someday, a court case will rise to the level of the Supreme Court in the U.S. which will settle some of these outstanding finer points of ecclesiastical autonomy separate from the secular, but when and which case?
Perhaps it will be the equivalent of Jesus vs. Pontius Pilate!
But I don’t think so.
It’ll be more like Al Capone vs the IRS.
Very interesting — thanks very much for helping me understand that.
I tried to imagine requiring something like that of my juniors (I’ve overseen close to 100 or more people at times). I decided what works for me is a different kind of management and leadership.
It does make me wonder about her campaign to FOIA-spam the government on a variety of topics. While it was crazy on the surface, it was a good way to “ping” to see if any records existed, and since she had sued RCS and had a crazy story, there was no provable connection.
They could hardly deny it. All email to RFW passes directly through the Church of Scientology servers, and the contact with Prolexic in 2008 would probably give the game away too.
Hm. I wonder… Does Deviant Meranige think that hiring PIs is a one-way game? It isn’t.
Or should I say, a “Can’t be” and “Must Be” at the same time.
There are can’t have’s and must haves.
There are also can’t be’s and must be’s, can’t do’s and must do’s.
Whatever you can think with as regards to HAVE, (as in must HAVE and can’t hHAVE) you can think with in the same regards with DO and BE.
CofS O.S.A. plant attempts to infiltrate the Indie movement:
I feel for these people that mock up a purpose line to be a snake among the squirrels.
Seriously, on this big playground called Earth, who the f*&k would make a choice like that?
You start thinking about the “Can’t Be’s” and “Must Be’s” and “Can’t do’s” and “Must Do’s” in the “Church”. These are just as suppressive to run on someone as the can’t have’s and must haves. And it is LOADED with them.
I’m talking LOADED. LO DEAD!
Just think with the fact that to even be accepted on lines you MUST BE,
Not connected to anyone antagonistic.
A believer after your first day.
And you will understand why the “Church” stands empty across the planet.
The ROLE of the ETHICS OFFICER or MAA, is to ENFORCE:
Therefore, the role of the ethics officer, MAA, and Sea Org, (to put “ethics” in, which they view as doing all of the above) is a suppressive hat.
“Now that we have run can’t be’s , must be’s, can’t do’s, must have, must do’s and can’t have’s on the world we are suppressing the shit out of Earth’s population!
What does the “Way to Happiness” propose? MUST BE, CAN’T BE, MUST DO, CAN’T DO, MUST HAVE, CAN’T HAVE.
Seriously, if you are going to think with Hubbard’s theories. The “Way To Happiness” is fucking suppressive.
85 million copies in circulation? I really don’t think you have managed to suppress one single person with that.
DAVID, I don’t mind you playing the part of the bad guy or the S.P., but frankly you are boring us with statistics. You have become so transparent it leaves little to the imagination. The mystery is gone, the thrill is gone.
Can’t you step up your game just a little? Otherwise your final season is fast approaching.
Hate to be the one to tell you David, but Hubbard mislead you when he said the biggest crime in the universe is being broke. And I am not about to give you any hints.
I’ll always remember you like a child, girl.
I think you took the “LRH is god” thing too literally. I doubt people came into Scientology (in the 60s and 70s at least) with that thought or purpose in mind, but rather came to believe or act that way by bowing to peer pressure and being in the Scientology environment. It is complex PR over a long time, not necessarily an initial purpose.
I grew up in there, and was inculcated to admire LRH as flawless from the start. I never consciously saw him as god but like I said earlier, this is what it boils down to when you take away the denial.
I don’t know about a trip to heaven, but a “bridge to total freedom” sounds like he one-upped the Catholic Church on that score.
Talk about THE BASICS David! What part of “It’s a two terminal universe” did you NOT GET? You thought it was a one way flow with Hubbard? And you were a one flow with others as his “messenger”? Little brother you are so out of the loop with the BASICS. It IS a TWO terminal universe. And if you can not add your OWN input and intelligence into the pieces of this puzzle, you become a broken piece. Just, like you are now.
Dildo Tech is a very sadistic bit of psychological warfare. I’m certain its intended effect is to make the recipient feel violated, dirty, embarrassed, and destroys the sense of personal safety. One might consider it a type of emotional rape.
From L. Ron Hubbard’s MANUAL OF JUSTICE
From Frank Olivers’ INVESTIGATIONS FULL HAT
INVESTIGATION BY OUTSIDE SOURCES
Overt investigation of someone or something attacking us by an outside detective agency should be done more often and hang the expense. It’s very effective. Often investigation by a private detective has alone closed up an entheta source or a squirrel organization. In fact at this writing I can’t remember a time when it hasn’t!
PROCEDURE ON ENTHETA PRESS
In the case of a bad magazine article which is signed, use the following procedure:
1. Tell them by letter to retract at once in the next issue.
2. Hire a private detective of a national-type firm to investigate the writer, not the magazine, and get any criminal or Communist background the man has. (Because all subversive activities foolishly use criminals they “have something on” and men who have been paid to attack us, you’ll have data incoming from the detective agency if they do their work well.
3. Have your lawyers or solicitors write the magazine threatening suit. (Hardly ever permit a real suit – they’re more of a nuisance to you than they’re worth.)
4. Use the data you got from the detective at long last to write the author of the article a very tantalizing letter. Don’t give him your data on him. Just tell him we know something very interesting about him and wouldn’t he like to come in and talk about it. (If he comes, ask him to sign a confession of collusion and slander – people at that level often will, just to commit suicide – and publish it in a paid ad in the paper if you get it.) Chances are he won’t arrive. But he’ll sure shudder into silence.
5. Give any new data you have from the detective to your attorneys for their use against the magazine.
Don’t let the whole matter disrupt you, take much time, or upset the central organization.
INVESTIGATING A SQUIRREL
A person or an organization using Dianetics or Scientology wrongly or
without rights, or a wildcat magazine, is best shut down or shut up by hiring a private detective. Tell the detective “We don’t care if they know you’re investigating them for us. In fact, the louder the better.” Detectives cost dozens of dollars or pounds. They save thousands.
When you get their data, give it to your attorneys for any action they want. Or post it.
Nope. It’s Feudalism, with David “Darth Midget” Miscavige as the Lord and Master.
Michael A. Hobson
(former Sea Org member)
She was also mentioned in the program to silence Tory. See https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/radical-scientology-dark-ops/
There was no response from them, which is what we expected. I sent it as step one — so they can’t say, “We didn’t know,” etc. When the trap eventually springs shut, there will be no way for them to wriggle out.
Oracle, I found the information in your post most interesting, thank you.
The basic outness in Scientology is it only gives “lip service” to God. The bible does not say “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” for nothing. Epignosis not gnosis is what is required.
I agree you can only be IN IT, OUT OF IT, or OF IT. Me, I choose to be IN IT, whatever the church says. That is both the Christian Church and the Scientology Church.
Is this getting to the people who can do something about it? The police, lawyers, CMU?