Shreff Sets Flag MAA Straight

For having protested David Miscavige’s systematic distmantling of the church 0f Scientology, Mark Shreffler is now being subjected to a systematic black PR campaign by Scientology Inc.  Mark is actively challenging accusations about him to his friends emanating from Flag (Scientology Inc’s “mecca”).   A letter he recently sent to a Flag MAA (Master at Arms – the Ethics Officer) evidences just how deep the rabbit hole of falsehoods goes in corporate Scientology.  It also sums up very accurately how Miscavige has decimated Scientology Inc.

AO FSO MAA (Slavka)                                                                      August 2, 2012

Mark Shreffler



Dear Slavka,                                                                                              


The latest rumor is that the “dead agent” handling used at the FSO for my friends regarding me is that “Mark’s questions were answered but he did not like the answers he got.” This puts everyone on the wrong scent, and many will not recognize the smell because they are trusting and honorable people who would never think that their most trusted terminals in the church would lie to their faces.  Yet, they remain hung up at Doubt. How can an OT with 38 years of highly commended service suddenly go postal and walk away from his friends and colleagues, refusing viable answers to his questions?


Of course the implication here is that I am the one who needs the correction and not the squirrel activities I have been reporting and trying to address. 


I’ve realized, with these “r-factors” you have given to my friends, the degree to which third party has been used as a “management tool.”  OSA personnel are quite expert with this device. Their normal operating basis seems to be, from what I can determine, deception.  This is to such a degree that I’m actually concerned about them personally.  It’s like continually postulating trouble!


It causes the actual problems to persist as these lies entered in to the scene make impossible an as-isness of the dilemma.


It is made easier for you, I suppose, by the fact that my friends know that if they call me on the phone to get my side of the story, they’ll be punished for doing so and be driven to huge amounts of expense and dev-t.  You threaten their lifestyles and family harmony, and they forget what Ron went through to make the tech available to all of us.


DOUBT formulas are clearly no longer allowed in our church.  People with questions must accept what they are told by their MAAs, and anyone with the temerity to communicate outside of those parameters is quickly throttled back in to line with sec checks or goldenrods.  “Not being happy with an answer” means the doubt was not resolved, and the notion that one must settle for whatever he is told is fundamentally repugnant to any being applying a standard Doubt Formula, and would only be accepted by a robot.


There, by the use of force and the intelligence of an SP, goes the Church of Scientology.


I did not take the questions I presented you in 2011 lightly, and I really would have noticed if they were answered.  It was not in my mind that it would take more than a week or two to handle, and I certainly did not anticipate that I would be walking away from a 38 year career as a gung-ho and highly commended member of this group until I discovered there were no answers for these management aberrations to be found in policy, and no willingness on the part of my terminals in the church to even inquire as to why these outpoints remained unhandled.


So, please, repeat for me if you would the answers I was supposedly given to the following questions:


  1. LRH      said that the “make-break point” of org expansion is 5.4X.  This figure was the foundation of the      Birthday Game which was giving LRH the only thing he wanted for his      birthday:  church expansion.  He did not want new buildings or people      to increase their level of membership in some unaffiliated gung-ho group.      My question to you was:  “What org      in the world that was here 30 years ago is 5.4 times larger today than it      was then?  How many orgs have      achieved this expansion rate? If your answer is “ZERO”, how can we explain      these proclamations of “unprecedented expansion?”  WHAT is expanding, exactly?  And to what does “47 times the expansion      of any earlier time” refer?  What      happened to LRH stats? I don’t recall your answers to these questions.
  2. What      are the STATS of the church from 1985 to 2011 on an annual basis on First      Service Starts, WDAH, Pd Comps and GI?       How many CL 8 auditors have been created over those years, and what      is the trend? I did not get ANY stats from you or any of the terminals at      OSA after hours of conversation and many requests – yet this is an essential      part of the doubt formula.
  3. How is      it that COB does “International Events” every few months and, in so doing,      bypasses the entire command structure to relay information to the      rank-and-file that SHOULD be coming to them from their local executives      (and thus maintaining the command lines and empowering them)?  This is obviously in violation of the      policy DANGER CONDITIONS, RESPONSIBILITY FOR DECLARING and drives the      lower echelons in to continuing Non Existence conditions.  These events also disperse the attention      of our congregation to the four winds and AWAY from their local      scenes.  They alter the importance      of the one-by-one nature of Scientology, and the vital need to put most of      our attention on bringing NEW people in to the church for services, per      PROPORTIONATE MARKETING.  How are      these “INT EVENTS” justified when there      is not ONE policy that supports them or explains their value – quite      to the contrary.  This is a      continuing and Titanic management faux pas.
  4. Why      have my reports since 1992 on the squirreled nature of the FSM program been      ignored?  If  “the whole purpose of the field staff      member program is to help increase the number of new people contacted,      disseminated to and gotten on to the bridge,”  (FSM SERIES #1) how is it that the      entire program has been hijacked to the TOP of the bridge, gutting the      lower echelons of their public?  Why      have I gotten many sec checks and a comm ev  [which fully vindicated and commended me      but ignored utterly the squirreled FSM program] for just writing these      reports when millions in fraud have been reported and the flow of new      people on and up the bridge brought to a standstill, and the pay of staff      members from FSMCR eliminated?  How      can such obvious crimes that unmock our front-end groups be committed and prolifically reported with no      interest or action from management?       I don’t recall your response to these queries. 
  5. I      mentioned to you the fact that the OCA that LRH used at Saint Hill is not      the squirreled version used in the Church today, and that the results of      these different versions vary dramatically.  This is a game changer because this test      is a fundamental tool used in div 6 and div 4.  It allows us to MAKE CONTACT with the      public with reality.  It gives us prediction and allows honest      evaluation and correct programming so the public is winning at every      turn.  Because people are not      trained in the use of this tool but are ordered to simply read off      computer printouts, trait-by-trait,       they have no familiarity with the test or with the fact that it is      not the same profile LRH used at Saint Hill and to which he refers in      Policy.  The results rendered today      set up our Div 6ers for wrong indications on their new public, and wrong      case programming for C/Ses.  This guarantees un-standard results      which are puzzling because people do not question their measuring tools!      This opens the door for squirreling the tech. How can such a huge      alteration occur and it not be corrected – after innumerable reports on      the matter?
  6. Why      are there no Basic Books in most of the libraries in the United States      even after our management promoted that this job was “DONE!”  Anyone can check this because all public      libraries are listed on the internet, including what books they have and      which ones are being checked out and in what volume.  This was my FIRST question to you when      you asked “did you write this up?”       Remember? I don’t recall your answer to this question. You clearly      did not have one – and assume like many others that “everything is OK and      that this, too, shall pass!” 10’s of millions of dollars worth of books…      vanished. How did this occur, and what is being done about it?
  7. Why is      the hallway at the Sandcastle lined with photos of people who have given      money to the IAS, but no photos of people who have achieved the two      purposes of orgs and given blood and years to the task of clearing people      or opening missions or auditing people?       (I understand that these photos have recently been taken down, but      I wonder if the off-Source purpose they represent has been removed as      well?)  I don’t recall your answer      to this question.
  8. What      policies create and drive the IAS?       It takes many millions from the congregation of the Church of      Scientology (to say nothing of the distraction it creates to the attention      of our group) and yet has no oversights.       This is the elephant in the room.  It is, by what I can determine, a      renegade operation that has ZERO representation in policy but is      apparently simply a money pit to be used in whatever arbitrary fashion is      required by management. Where does all the money go that is paid to the      IAS?  What policy governs it?  Who is in charge of it’s      disbursement?  It is not controlled      by the Church of Scientology and does not go through the FP Committee of      the Church.  If the church public is      only dwindling since the “founding” of the IAS by Yeager and Miscavige,      how is its existence justified? Where is it in writing that LRH had any      knowledge of this group’s formation or purpose?  I don’t recall your answer to these      questions.
  9. How      many members are there in the IAS?       This is an important number because one cannot do service in Div 4      without being a member.  We hear      numbers of Scientologists “in the millions,” but all I can document is      less than 40,000 worldwide – and shrinking.
  10. Why      does management promote that there are so many “new orgs” when in fact      they are just new, subsidized buildings, and the “old orgs” they replace      are not used any further?  The field      has not expanded: only their org’s expenses have expanded.  How is this beneficial to the actual      exchange of Scientology with the world? Who is going to pay the bills for      these buildings when the delivery of the org cannot support it? As this is      falsely represented as being supported by LRH, does it not invalidate the      workability of his actual policies and thus demean the image of Source?  I presented a stack of policies that      invalidate the conduct of the so-called “Ideal Org” project and was shown      ZERO references that justified it.       Did I miss something here? 
  11. You      will recall the Rollback you gave me regarding my answer to the query of a      friend in Australia concerning the Ideal Org project.  You asked me where I got these ‘enemy      lines’ and I showed them to you in OEC Vol 7.  That ended the rollback, of course, but      I wonder if you pulled the string further to get to the real heart of that      matter – that the Ideal Org program was in contravention of that policy I      cited to my friend?  The one who      started the Ideal Org program, in fact, is the enemy you seek with your rollbacks!
  12. Who      actually OWNS the Ideal Org real estate that is purchased?  The Church?  CST? What is the policy that governs      this?
  13. The      promotion for these Ideal Orgs and the IAS is taken off the page of VERBAL      TECH PENALTIES when LRH cautions against the use of brief paragraphs out      of context without saying from which policy the quote was taken in order      to make it appear that LRH is in      support of the program when, in fact, he is clearly opposed to it. I      provided evidence of this but there was no reply to this question that I      recall.
  14. Where      is it written that LRH put David Miscavige in charge?  Where is the structure of church      institutions (CST, RTC, CofS and so on) published so we can all see the      command structure and org board of our management bodies and understand      their relationships? 
  15. Where      are the people who run these activities?       I know that Guillaume was made “ED INT for LIFE” by LRH, but we      never see him anymore. The WDC? Where is Heber?  Mithoff?       Eastman? Wilhere?  And where      is Diana Hubbard?   Did you answer      these questions?
  16. How is      it that “Command Intention” and LRH Intention are taken to mean the same      thing when they clearly are NOT?       How is it that I have friends who have been declared for being      concerned about issues raised in Debbie Cook’s letter – before she was declared?  When was it decided that concern for our      survival as a group became a suppressive act?  When did communication become a crime in      our body? Did you answer these questions, and I just missed it?
  17. How is      it that one whole issue of our FREEDOM magazine was mailed out to the      readership of the St. Pete Times proclaiming that one of our senior      executives was documented as having beat up, on 40 separate occasions,      other members of the crew?  This      issue of FREEDOM was devoted to throwing the entire church management      strata, the Church of Scientology, the religion of Scientology and LRH      under the bus in order to protect one person: David Miscavige. The rest of      our “International Management” were apparently standing around bearing      witness to these beatings. They even allowed themselves to be videoed by      the press professing the innocence of Miscavige and the guilt of his      lieutenant. Did anyone have the idea that the IMPORTANT thing is to show      Scientology, Source materials and LRH were not involved in this psychotic      demonstration of PTSness, and then use the incident to educate the world      on the effects of suppression and the need to be constanty alert and      constantly willing to fight back?        After all, this “handling” by FREEDOM was a MISTAKE of Tsunamic      proportions.  These only occur in      the presence of suppression.  Was      there an investigation done?  The      protection of Miscavige was the ONLY important factor in this entire third      dynamic engram.  Did you address      this question with me, Slavka – because I certainly recall the look on      your face when I brought this article to your attention – and the fact      that the entire magazine was used not to promote Scientology and the      Church and LRH but to white-wash the results of PTSness at our highest      levels.  Lastly, if the lieutenant      was guilty of these beatings as was admitted in the FREEDOM mag, was COB      not aware of this behavior?  To      believe this we would have to think that COB is either incompetent,      stupid, or deaf, dumb and blind.  If      he was aware of it and did nothing to stop it,  he needs some time to think for a couple      of hundred years before he does A to E.       In either case,  NOTHING WAS      DONE, and this engram continues.       What a mess.  I don’t recall      your address of these issues with me except to ask “Who is in your ear?”      as though I have an evil Leprechaun on my shoulder.  ANYONE can see this stuff, and what      manner of person would NOT want something done about it?
  18. If our      management is as unethical as all of these things suggest, is it rational      to assume that the tech and the admin in our church are IN?  Do you have an answer for this?  Has it not occurred to anyone that      people actually like Scientology – Ron’s Brand – and stay away in      droves from squirreled activities?       How many in the church would leave it if they did not have children      or businesses that would be affected? I, myself, have concerns about      bringing people in to this atmosphere – and this has been my purpose for      the past 38 years! And how many NEW people are turned off by what they      THINK is Scientology when it is only the unchecked dramatizations of a few      PTS executives – and the PTS congregation that permits it to continue?
  19. We      have an opportunity here to educate the world,  but instead we turn on each other and      play the “who can we bankrupt first?” Game.  Why?


I had many other questions, but I think any Scientologist would have these and would agree that they need to be fully confronted and resolved.


Please stop telling people that “We answered Mark’s questions but he did not like the answers.”   You KNOW this is a lie and it is beneath you.   I implore you to find out for yourself the answers to these questions and let me know what you discover.


You showed me the reference about how an SP becomes one – where a period of stress at the hands of the SP is followed by the person taking on the SP’s valence.  You were showing me this reference as regards Debbie Cook to explain “how she became suppressive.”


I asked you – and I mention this as the last unanswered sample question in my collection – which person it was who’s valence this long-time, highly trained and decorated Sea Org veteran was first suppressed by and who’s valence she later assumed.


WHO were YOU talking about? Did it not occur to you that perhaps the SP who suppressed her and who’s valence she allegedly assumed is still in the church?


Is it a truthful thing to say that by pointing these destructive but actual things out that Debbie Cook was displaying suppressive characteristics?


My own contention, of course, is that after the wars with the IRS in the 80’s and the battle with that band of suppressives, the “war” was actually not over as COB proclaimed. Our own management strata was completely stressed out and actually took on the valence of the SP IRS personnel. It’s just a theory, but there is substantial evidence to support it.


A review of the policy PTS PERSONNEL AND FINANCE would describe what is happening in our church today, and the need for the gargantuan PR machine that was put in place to cover it all up.


It’s all very fixable, but won’t be as long as the insane are running the asylum.  Hence, the growth of the Independent movement  – most of whom have shed their PTSness and ironically are more Scientologist than many of the uniformed reps running around.


In any case, this would seem to me to be an important investigation, and might open up the door for a handling or two.




380 responses to “Shreff Sets Flag MAA Straight

  1. Don’t hold your breath waiting for Slavka to actually answer this honestly. She is a hard-wired puppet of the Demented Midget. The “church” cannot be fixed internally, no matter how much people wish it could.

  2. Forever Lurker

    Probably the most well-written summary of events I’ve seen while reading and viewing everything on the Internet the past five years!

    My utmost respect to you, Mark.


  3. ❤ me a little logic for breakfast!!

  4. Brian Culkin

    The #churchof$cientology is a ‘potential destroyer’

    It does not build people, grow their innate goodness, and potential. It sucks money and ultimately the very life force from their soul.

    The good news is that I know deep in my heart that #$cientology won’t be around for long in this current incarnation. More defections, lawsuits on the horizon, pr disasters in the wings, and The Master about to be released. Too much light shining on the darkness.

    “The laws of karma are unrelenting. Never forget this” -Sivananda

  5. Excellent letter, Mark. Very thorough. I don’t see how any rational person can remain connected to RCS after reading this.

  6. E.J. Croughs

    Great letter, send it out far and away as it’s not confrontable for the puppets it’s addressed to. I didn’t know they create and disseminate their own black PR to the complete St. Pete’s readership, but he, I could have expected some foot bullets like that. Policy now enemy line? OCA also reversed? Being concerned about the group a crime? Guillaume ED Int for Life? Good to know! Nice take on Int Management being in the valence of the IRS, the very outfit that tried to wipe out the Church for decades. You know Davey triumphantly announced to have closed a deal with the IRS and opened an OSA office in their building. He’s not doing anything else than dramatising IRS behaviour.

  7. I recently read the Freeh report that concluded that that the most senior leaders at Penn State showed a “total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky’s child victims” for 14 years and “empowered” Jerry Sandusky to continue his abuse. There is much discussion going on about how the culture in an organization can foster the type of an environment where good men and women will violate their own moral code to such an extent that the the reputation of the organization becomes of the highest importance to such devastating ends. What happened at Penn State is a horrifying example of what is happening within the Church of Scientology. The effort to cover up for the unethical and immoral actions of someone so clearly disturbed must have been hard at the beginning, but is now part of the culture of the organization. People talk about Miscavige, but I suspect that there is a lot more that goes on that we don’t know about – physical abuse, emotional abuse, mental abuse. I would not be surprised if rapes and assaults have been unreported and covered up. Any one who dared pick up the phone and reported anything to the police would surely be ostracized and punished for doing so.

  8. Mark Shreffler is asking:
    “What org in the world that was here 30 years ago is 5.4 times larger today than it was then?”

    I recently looked for statistics, and found these figures over a 30 years period for OT6, which in my opinion is one of the main products of scn. That is the number of OT6 attestations taken from the “Source” magazine. I believe that is a good indicator of the real condition of the CoS.

    1982 238
    …….. (no or missing data for 83 to 85)
    1986 208
    1987 306
    2009 200
    2010 95
    2011 134

    Over a 30 years period, one of the main statistics is down.
    The condition is “danger” or below.


  9. Shreff, this is awesome.

    LRH talks somewhere about what happens to personnel on legal lines and I think he says something like they have to be rotated off these posts every so often.

    I remember on a trip to Flag that I arrived and had to sign a stack of legal documents, among which was one that said I agreed to be subjected to the Introspection RD if necessary. I remember thinking that the Church had gone PTS to the Lisa McPherson case and that all these documents I had to sign were the result. It seemed to me that my freedom was being threatened by my Church, and I sure didn’t like it. For that reason and others, I was never comfortable at Flag, kept my trips there as brief as possible, and finally stopped going there.

    It had seemed odd to me that we “win” these legal cases, or we “win” the battle with the IRS, and then we suddenly find ourselves beholden to the rules of those who attacked us.

    Truth is, if the donations for services were a reasonable amount, and if the IAS was not in all members’ pockets until they were bled dry, the tax deductibility of donations to the Church would have been much less of an issue. The church needed the IRS to bless its existence, giving it another tool to suck more money from its parishioners.

  10. Bonny Elliott

    WOW! THAT was hard hitting! Hope you cc’d all of your friends, because it would definitely make one think – and hopefully start to wake up.

  11. Cuss’n-A. This is a clinic. Well done, Shreff!

  12. Mark,
    That is a very very well done communication to Slavka and it of course hits all of the nerves that Scientologists everywhere have experienced with the corporation called $cientology. Thank you immeasurably for putting it in writing.

    It continues to amaze me how anyone trained in even the most basic areas of the tech let alone an MAA at Flag could continue to ‘not look’ or even worse ‘be UNWILLING to look’ when presented with the facts.

    This fact (the UNWILLINGNESS) more that anything should give folks of good will everywhere a sobering reality on just what sort of a predicament we all face in trying to bring man out of the mud.

    I have my own experiences with the Flag MAAs and their complete unwillingness to confront the truth. I have their lies stated in their own words to me in writing and even those are denied. What LRH stated is his early lecture is now true…..$cientology has now been turned against man in an attempt to control him.

    Dear David Miscaviage ………KNOW THIS ABOUT YOUR PREDICAMENT.
    ……………………….. WE KNOW YOU! ……………………………………………….


    LRH States in the Ethics Book, chapter on the Anti-Scientologist, ‘the Basic Reason’ “when such a personality goes insane, the world is full of Martians or the FBI and each person met is really a Martian or FBI agent. But the bulk of such people exhibit no outward signs of insanity. They appear quite rational. They can be very convincing.”

    Well buddy boy, your days of being convincing are done. And you are not quite as rational these days! And you will need to add a new category to those items mentioned above as YOU GO FURTHER INSANE……..that of the INDEPENDENT SCIENTOLOGIST!


    Get right on it Davey because we are coming to get you………………..BOO!!!!

  13. Hello everyone,
    This is my first posting, after a couple of years of being a spectator. I’ve been a Scnist for 30 years, ex-staff, OT. For various reasons I am unable to make a public declaration (friends, family, work,etc). Several years ago I woke up and began re-evaluating Scn and the corporate church. For the corporate Scnist this is probably the worst thing they could experience, but for me it was liberating and long overdue. Somewhere along the line I lost sight of “What’s true for you, is true for you” and put my blinders on and got myself up the Bridge.
    After much research and observation I have concluded that the corporate church’s Lower Bridge is out. Think about it…

    Grade 0 Communications Release – the church cannot communicate freely with anyone on any subject, nor will they permit its members to do so. What comm lines they do have are either extremely slow or unreliable (e.g. no responses to reports sent uplines – ever), or they just load them up with unwanted particles.

    Grade 1 Problems Release – the church is a problems factory, with an insatiable appetite for flaps. I only realized this once I got myself off-lines. My own life calmed down and straightened out. By being onlines you tacitly subject yourself to this aberration.

    Grade 2 Relief Release – the church is quick to disclose other people’s “overts” claiming to be the victim, while completely incapable of getting off their own and taking responsibility for their own actions. They are quick to betray loyal members and launch vicious personal attacks. And they have a bad habit of lying, particularly in PR.

    Grade 3 Freedom Release – the church does not have the ability to face the future. The future it does see (quite possibly correct) is filled with doom and eminent destruction. They are always on the verge of being wiped out by the “SPs” lurking around every corner.

    Grade 4 Ability Release – in my 30 years of involvement I have never once seen the church admit to any wrong-doing or fault. If you had a bad experience with them you “pulled it in” and can pay to get it sorted out. “You didn’t get the expected results? Let’s find out what’s wrong with you.” And should they get attacked, it’s always the other parties fault, never their own.

    Summing all of this up, it occurred to me that the church as an entity is at best neurotic, and more increasingly psychotic. Where would you put an individual with such dramatizations on the Tone Scale? My educated guess would be 1.1 to 2.0. How could an organization like this possibly free someone?


    PS. I had these things kicking around while driving home from work and felt I needed to post them.

    Mark Shreffler – wow, what a salvo fired straight between the eyes! It’s been many years, please contact me at, would like to reconnect.

  14. Dear Mark,
    What a great letter, addressing such accurate and crucial questions. My realization working with a few Ethic Officers at the AO and Flag is that they have limited training and therefore limited understanding of the tech. Another observation of mine is that some SO members got in so young that this operation today is all they know , with no real experience in life, which makes it hard to evaluate and spot the outpoints of today’s operation. To them their lord is COB and he is the one deserving their loyalty. That sadly, seems to be their only reality and therefore any other viewpoint is being brushed off as “squirrely”.

    Regarding point 6: I was calling some people in Anchorage, AK to reg them for the “Basics” and one person told me that he couldn’t find the books in his local library. I did not believe it because the library campaign showed that Anchorage was done, which means all library in this city carry the basics. So I called a few to find out that this was not so. I reported it to Bridge Pub but thought how come the public are not being mobilized to take responsibility to make sure the books (that we paid so much for) remains in their local libraries???
    So I wrote a whole plan of what can be done and how and gave to Patrick at Bridge. He was sending it “Up line”. I followed up but nothing was said and nothing was done… I cognited then that the church does not really care if the basics are in the libraries or not and that they don’t want the public involved because they don’t want us to find out the truth and that way the selling of the basics can continue uninterrupted.

    Thank you Mark for what you are doing!!!!
    Much Love, Anat

  15. When my husband got declared, we heard that the Flag MAA was spreading the rumor that we were getting a divorce. They even told his SO kids that. Why would they do that? It’s all part and parcel of the manipulation. They are telling our friends, “Look at what happened to that beautiful marriage. That could happen to you too – so ya better watch it!”

  16. Wow! All so very true. If these people would wake up and smell the coffee… I know it’s hard, I “grew up” exposed to Scientology so I didn’t have any clue about the fact that it COULD go corrupt in the wrong hands. It took me a little while to wake up and realize the stark inconsistencies between LRH Policy and the current scene. And the fact that despite writing up volumes of reports, evals and proposed handlings, all I ever got back were “ack” written on my communications.

    Years later, I am hearing the same tune being played over and over like a broken record. This is insanity and it is what church management IS and it’s scary.

    Thank you for spreading the truth!

  17. Wow! I would also like to hear the answers to the questions you have posed Mark. A lot of us have had the exact same questions for at least a couple of decades now. I am of the opinion that you will not get your answers from the C of $ but instead will have to look elsewhere which is what you are now doing. Welcome to enlightenment and thank you for posting this letter to the MAA at Flag.

  18. Jeez, wow, holy smokes, shabaam! Talk about correct indications… I didn’t want it to end! One could certainly think some of this has got to penetrate even the thickest of veils. Well done.

  19. Brilliant questions, Mark!!!! Not so with the MAA-I loved the “where did you get that enemy line?” and you so adroitly point out from LRH, of course. Unfortunately, LRH is now the enemy. It’s also interesting how the ethics dept. is trained to train the public that Debbie cook became a suppressive WHILE in the in the Co$-it’s pathetic.
    Mark, do you know where I can get the original OCA?

  20. Enough Already


    PHENOMENAL write-up! One of the best ever!

    By the way, you can tell your friends and selectees that the REAL answers to these questions (at least many of them) can be found on my favorite website:

    I couldn’t send people to this site for the past month cause they were hacked by the Church, who got Google to say they were “infected by a virus”. This is ALL HANDLED NOW. The Google page no longer has that warning, and I can link to them now just like I used to.

    In my opinion FRIENDS OF LRH, along with Marty’s 31 FACTORS (found on the top of his home page), are the BEST summaries of what’s wrong with the Church you can find. (Of course, now I have to add your wonderful write-up to that list!)

    If people’s attention spans (or “courage spans”), won’t allow them to read through all these, tell them to at least go to the page on Friends of LRH that shows the actual stats of # of Dianetic, Class VI, and Class VIII Auditors made in the 70s vs. currently. That’s what ultimately did the trick for me. The graphs say it all!

    All my love,

    P.S. We met once at one of your Tone Scale seminars in L.A. I’ll write you separately.

  21. “I didn’t know they create and disseminate their own black PR to the complete St. Pete’s readership,”

    Not only that EJ but they gave it to Jon Ronson when he went to St. Hill in the UK to ivestigate material for his book “psychopath test.” I was floored as I was reading Jons description of “Freedom” magazine about a slut and some violent men,,, just freakin’ incredible. All the CO$ seems to be in power on right now is their own arsenal of foot bullets.

  22. Quote from Mark Shreffler:
    17. … “the IMPORTANT thing is to show Scientology, Source materials and LRH were not involved in this psychotic demonstration of PTSness, and then use the incident to educate the world on the effects of suppression and the need to be constanty alert and constantly willing to fight back?“ …

  23. I saw that same stack of papers upon attempting to route in, and it hit me suddenly that I was sitting in am implant station. That is what the FSO has become.

  24. Mark, I love you! Very beautifully put.
    The point about “Applying the Doubt formula is not allowed in the Church” is so true.
    I applied a proper Doubt Formula and talked to Declared Terminals, namely Mike Rinder and Christie Collbran. I wanted to ‘investigate both sides. I got Declared for this and lost many many friends.

    Do Kudos about wanting to bring back Scientology!

    It may be time for a Portland Crusade at Flag, let us Independents resurrect true LRH tech, not this Squirrel Bullshit!


  25. I can tell you what hapened with the books in libraries-
    Libraries generally arent keen on placing all donated books on their shelves. Many libraries have limited shelf space and the “Basics” were seen as promotional materials. Some were kept, but the majority were sold for pennies on the dollar to used book stores or if not, then as recycled paper pulp. A proper comm line was obviously not made to these libraries and libraries didnt know what to do with or have ARC for receiving large boxes of Scientology books. They were simply seen as unwanted, unrequested books that they did not have shelf space or demand for. Libraries receive many donations that fall into this catagory and they just dump (sell/recycle) them.

    This was written up and known and still they continued with the program and even started a new program to get the basics in all the school libraries.

  26. one of those who see

    Wow, Wow Wow Mark. Now that is a communication that should wake the dead. Hopefully it will do so. Well done!

  27. plainoldthetan

    20. What happened to LRH-specified standard marketing campaigns, such as selling books? The hugely expensive ACCs should be funding a Dianetics book campaign per HCO PL PROPORTIONATE MARKETING. Promotion should only be selling books 10 Feb 65 AD AND BOOK POLICIES (4. Only books may be advertised.) not using insensible television ads to sell “what is scientology?” right? What policy supercedes AD AND BOOK POLICIES?

    21. Recent events claim that all sectors of Scientology have expanded 70x. What stats actually demonstrate this?

    22. If Ideal Orgs actually expand Scientology, then you could show me the one-year stat graphs before and Ideal Org opened, and the one-year stat graphs after the Ideal Org opened, and I could see it for myself. May I see them please?

    23. Recent Int Events have obscured the actual statistics of the church by saying things like “one new person disseminated to every 10 minutes”. I can’t see a the trend in that. What LRH stat is covered by “one new person disseminated to”. Can I just get the real graphs for that LRH stat on an international basis showing the one or two year trend?

  28. Nice work! Thanks so much for sharing this Mark! I have great faith the front-end will be widening for many very soon and, in fact, see another lane opening right now because of your conviction and because you CARE enough to ask these questions. I’d consider going fishing in the morning…I think there’s another monster coming your way! Doug

  29. Excellent observations. Grade 4 particularly hits home. I used to think of it as supreme arrogance, but you’re right, it’s a ser fac. No responsibility for overt products. “He has mu’s or is out-ethics” and end of story.

  30. Mark Shreffler,
    Outstanding letter! Excellent de-PTS tool.
    Anyone that truthfully answers even a third of those questions will no longer be PTS.

    David Lingenfelter

  31. Ooops, I did not meant question, I meant an important statement: … constantly willing to fight back“ …

  32. Grande Mark,……what a excellent letter……..

    My respect to you…….. : )

  33. Doubt is no longer allowed in CoS, I understand from this important letter
    Having doubts, being uncertain about something is extremely important in the thinking process. But free thinking nowadays is also extremely dangerous within the Co$.

    In the fifties, when Hubbard wrote his Dianetics and other texts, a medical doctor in my country (across the ocean) wrote a book about Patterns of psychological lapses (derailments). It has to do with doubt – uncertainty and why it is essential for the route to freedom. I have translated a part of it in the hope you will like it too. The English is probably not fluent, but I hope you’ll get the message.
    “Ideas, impressions play a great role in our minds. We have an idea of something that seems desirable and now we are going to pursue it. This happens, because we actually identified ourselves with this idea. But in fact we abuse our valuable ability to form ideas. The identification makes that ideas become in a way fatal to us, in stead of being valuable material to work and live with.
    A mere example of this is the dogmatic disposition of people. Something was discovered by a person that appeared to be valuable and was represented in certain words, so that somebody else could borrow these, because they struck a sympathic note with him. But then he stuck with them. He identified himself with them and so his thinking was raped; he could no longer disconnect from these ideas, could no longer really work with them, and so they became the ‘truth’ for him and his own thinking stopped.

    In our own lives we will have to examine this identification with ideas and so we will understand the big mistakes in which we lived, the power of illusions and the fictions. And then we will be faced with uncertainties. However, uncertainty is very valuable. And through uncertainty we can discover who we really are – something that is dynamic. There lies our freedom and invulnerability.”

  34. Wow! Mark, an awesome communication of truth. Quite frankly, I have had saner dealings with the IRS than with IAS reges.

  35. Wow, Thanks for helping pointing out the wrongness.

  36. As they say in France:

  37. The truth will set you free!!
    You’re getting some as-isness now Shreff!!

  38. Absolutely right, these robots in HCO are so sub human that they can no longer even think logically. They forward their fascist agenda and claim that it is LRH.

  39. Hi Mark,
    Wow, that was brilliant! The very list of Q’s we all want answered and I love the righteous indication tone of it. Well done my friend.
    Would you please info me the ref’s you mention especially the OEC Vol 7 ref in item 11.
    I’m in the middle of the dreaded Doubt condition from hell and this data would be very helpful to me and mine.

  40. “I would not be surprised if rapes and assaults have been unreported and covered up.”

    Yes they have, but the person who knows about those is refusing to talk as he is vulnerable.

  41. Yes. And if you look at the OT8 that are coming back from the Freewinds you will see that they are in really bad shape as beings. The Freewinds is even worth.

  42. Here is my definition: Cult: A group who promotes ideas to their members and actively engages in controlling the information that the members recieve so as to keep the members in line with the views of the leaders. Thus you would have varying degrees of a cult. A cult would become dangerous to the degree that it used manipulation and force to control the information of the members.

  43. It was my distinct honor to assist Mark in finding out the truth over the past 18 months. Onto the next name on my list.

  44. For anyone trying to not-is the outpoints and still get up the Bridge, a quote from Yvonne Gillham, circa 1972….
    “I won’t be free until everyone else is free”

  45. Good going Mark. I postulate your friends and selectees follow step.

  46. Very well done, Mark. Question with boldness!

    Another question I’d like answered is this: What policy or directive cancelled Flag Order 1124, from 1 July 1968, entitled HAZING?

    This is the issue where LRH states, “The hazing or physical punishment of a Sea Org member by officers, petty officers or other Sea Org members is subject to Comm Ev on charges of brutality.”

    This issue was adopted as official Church policy by the Church of Scientology International.

    So, where is the issue by LRH cancelling this? If not cancelled, where is the Comm Ev results on david miscavige for violating it over and over and over again?

  47. Shreffler is such a theta guy the MAA really has her hands full trying whip him into submission. Continually, I see the theme occurring again and again – A long term upstat Scientologist who was previously recognized for great contributions suddenly is labeled an S.P. (usually through non standard labeling practices – like Facebook?) The official reason is then attributed to the person in question having so little control and such a lack of understanding of the mechanics of suppression/PTSness that they themselves have now moved into the the valence of an S.P. Many of these individuals are highly trained and processed but are nonetheless now an S.P. because of a valence issue. What a crock! I think the truth is more like this. Question anything about the Management of the Church and you are PTS or SP A=A=A. Bank, bank, bank, attack, attack, attack all the way. If the MAA had the balls to ask the same questions she’d be severely punished. So she can’t afford to look at the points Shreffler makes… Rock vs Hard Place.

  48. The MAA’s at Flag are hand picked for their lack of conceptual understanding. I am sure that every single one of them would not pass a star rate checkout on “The Ethics Officer – His Character.”

    In the old day MAAs would write in red on a routing form things like “Not relevant – dev T” or “Upstat – Ethics Protection”

    Now, it is: “You are wrong! You are wrong! You are wrong!”

  49. Tory Christman

    I agree with you, Forever Lurker! Great write up, Shreffie, and excellent questions, too. ”

    It (third party–someone saying bad things/lies/half truths/twisted “Facts” about another behind their backs) causes the actual problems to persist as these lies entered in to the scene make impossible an as-isness (The demolishing of something so it’s gone) of the dilemma.” (In other words, when anyone spreads lies about you or another—there is little way to clean it up as it’s being spread covertly, behind your back, not out in the open). If it were in the open, it would be cleared up in a second, same for myself and many others. Davey boy and gang know this–it’s their specialty now, and that alone–more than anything else IS what is destroying their phony “church” of $cientology.

    Very true, Mark. Please start a blog or YouTube site. You have TONS of factual information to share with the world. C of $ is no longer in the business of “Tech” “Clearing people” “helping mankind”. They are in the real estate business, and doing to you (and many other Ex’s or Scios who left their organization) what they have just done: PERIOD. Please check out my YouTube site, ToryMagoo44. I hope you’re doing great 🙂
    My very best to you! Tory (Bezazian as you knew me) Christman
    aka: Magoo! Burbank, CA (818) 588-3044–give me a call, I don’t bite and most of what you’ve “heard” was created by them, same as this shit about you.

  50. Wow, I got case gain from reading all that. Imagine if more people came out of their shells in the corporate church and actually saw that Mark’s questions should be EVERYONE’s questions, in a organization of thinking, aware people.

    I admire Mark very much.

  51. Freedom Fighter

    ROFL!!! I was looking for this exact video to post!! Perfect!

  52. Way to go Kevin!! 🙂

  53. Candy Swanson says she has original OCAs. She’s out your way.

  54. Li'll bit of stuff

    newcomer, my approach exactly! but you said it BETTER!

  55. Tory Christman

    PS: I’d like to remind people lurking, who *are* spreading “Marty really is planning to take over the Church”…this, too, IS Third Party. When Anonymous arrived, one of THE best things they arrived with was and is:”Dox or STFU”. So? Where are the dox? What happened to *that* re Marty? Who ….of all people….would “win” if most outside the “church” thought “Marty is working with DM”? It’s a TOTAL SLIME BLACK PR PIECE OF CRAP WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY OSA. If I’m wrong, I’ll publicly eat my shorts….well, not really—-but I will apologize IF I’m wrong, but so far….that’s how I see it I.

    don’t mind people “Not liking” Marty or anyone else. I DO Mind endless falsehood (with no factual back up) spreading, and people who say they are Fighting this organization passing on programs that are exactly what the very group their “exposing” specialize in. Get the dox, please. Say what you feel openly so ALL can hear it, and tell their sides. That way it’s fair, we’ll win, OSA cannot. 🙂 Tory/Magoo

  56. Freedom Fighter


  57. Mark, great.
    Love the tone, love your strong 8c to look at Miscavige.
    You move universes.

    Miscavige, we see you!!

  58. Flag does not stand a chance against a guy this intelligent and passionate. If he could beat his head against the stonewalling at Flag for 20 years it has made him just about the toughest sumbitch around. (But in a high-toned, insouciant way, which wins over a solid, massy party line any day.)

  59. Tory Christman

    <<<<< Waives to OSA Ops. You're F**d and by now you *should* know it. Ok, someone had *a* win last week. Ok, you got a rap guy to make the video about IAS making it *look* like you're reeeeally jumpin. GO LOOK In your orgs. Compare to 20 years ago, honestly. WE WERE THERE! We KNOW the *real* Stats, then and now. Per all said, you should be 5X then, eh? Are you? Hell no! Your "Ideal Orgs" are not only empty, your FSMs (people who get others on services) are gone, and the Mission network got killed in the late 80s.

  60. tessa,
    “The more thetan you have present, the less policy you need and the better things run. Only a thetan can handle a post or a pc. All he needs is the know-how of minds as contained in Scientology. That was all he ever lacked. So, given that, sheer policy is poor stuff, as it seeks to make a datum stand where a being should be. That’s the whole story of the GPMs. So why not have live orgs?” PL 23 Oct 63, REFUND POLICY.

    I was reading the other day, that J.P. Sarte, in his BEING and NOTHING-NESS, had spotted the existence of the potential awareness unit is “no thing” until they themselves form up an identity. And here is this fella you’ve quoted, right down the same alley.

    Truth is truth.

  61. Good product, Kevin!

  62. Yes, that is mind control in action via information control. Great perception of it. What is insidious about how it is set up in CofS is the subjects of the mind control police themselves to ensure they don’t break out of the mind control, they keep themselves controlled and manipulated.

  63. Bravo, Bravo, Mark. What a exacting write up! Thank you so much.

    note: regarding the Sandcastle, my last visit, was in January and the Celebrities of IAS pictures were there. Hopefully removed now, as you say.

  64. Mark,
    You sure have a way with words to communicate in a very acceptable way pointing to ALL of the unknowns in the Co$, the withheld answers, the ones they CANNOT give us without leaving themselves right away if there was any integrity left. THANK YOU!!!

    I will send a separate email regarding LRH’s original OCA.

  65. Li'll bit of stuff

    Schreff, this is a bomb! The explosion will be heard & felt
    world wide. The one’s who will feel it the most, are those
    unfortunate souls located closest to the self appointed
    COB. (Commander Of Bullshit (baffles brains!))

    Schreff, do you recall an LRH tape , where he asks:
    (while referring to Hitler,) “I don’t know who first took him
    (Hitler) seriously, —-but it was a MISTAKE!!”???

    the same question needs to be TR-3’d, enough, so as to
    evoke the required response; —–to just WTFU!!!!!!

    Calvin, Durban, South Africa

  66. I thought the letter from Mark Shreffler/ was Exellent !!! with many questions It will not be easy I think to get answers / I think its a letter to get spread through the net for those in doubt inside, the same force as Debbie Cooks letter.Well put to gether Nice work also from Kevin Tighe.

  67. Hi “quack.” Thanks for posting. I am more addressing my friends with this comm than Slavka. I think your assessment has merit, and this is not lost on public with sincere questions. The fact is, one must continue to assign and enforce conditions and this letter is my joss on that alter. The truth is, I really like Slavka and she has served loyally for years, but found herself like the frog in a slowly heated pot that is now boiling. I hope she reads it and it does her some good, but it’s really for anyone who might blow some charge reading it – and then getting back to the GOOD news and disseminating the miracles of our subject.

  68. Many thanks, “lurk.” I hope it does some good for many of our friends.

  69. It’s not a fun place. I came up with a million excuses not to go there before I finally realized I just didn’t want to go there.

    I have friends who have “quit smoking” but they smoke when they go to Flag. Bad indicator much?

  70. StatPush, that was an excellent summation. The Church is creating engrams rather than blowing charge. This descriptions goes hand-in-hand with Marty’s book where he explains how the Church is delivering Reverse Scientology/Black Dianetics.


  71. “Another observation of mine is that some SO members got in so young that this operation today is all they know…”

    This is an excellent point and imho applies to all Co$ Scientologists, not just SO members. My first course in the Co$ was in 1997 and I noticed things from the off that were irrational and/or imbecilic. As a lowly noob, however, I learnt to accept them as the way it’s done. It wasn’t until years later that I started looking, only to find that “the way it’s done” is, for the most part, dangerously off-policy, extremist and/or insane. The write ups of old-timers, even those from as far back as the earliest days with LRH, are vital for people like me who clearly came into contact with a Scientology of a very different kind to that of many here. This is exactly why books such as Marty’s are so important. More recent $cns have no reality of what Scientology is at its purest, most successful, ethical and insouciant level. I wholeheartedly recommend more old-timers get books out so their experiences of a once good-natured, fun and (genuinely) spiritual Scientology can be disseminated beyond simple internet forums and social gatherings. Such stories really help to differentiate between DM-brand and LRH-brand, which is vital for enabling “latter-day” churchies to start their disconnection process. imho.

  72. Hi Brian,

    Isolating the correct BPC is an important aspect to recovery, and I have no doubt that Scientology – Ron’s Brand – is alive and growing, even as this particular group – the C of S – is suffering growth pains that may end it.

    I think we all need to take a breath and realize that it took a Tsunami of these proportions to SNAP US OUT OF IT and get us all to realize what we should have grasped years ago: that KSW has to do with each one of us. We went loosy-goosey and caused the current scene – but OT yet remains and the game we engaged with so many years ago remains to be won.

  73. Thanks for the comment, Maurice. I hope that it de-stimulates people and gets them moving and being more alert. The rest will take care of itself!

  74. E.J.,
    I think there is more to know about the arrangements made behind this whole scene. I cannot believe that DM has the licks to pull off the complete defeat of the church and it’s executive body. The BIG problem, of course, is that all of this drama keeps everyone from dissemination and delivering our tech to new people, and getting them in to service zones where KSW is the law. Whatever these guys are doing upstairs, it’s what WE do that counts. Maybe I’m naive, but the allure and promise of OT and the effect TRUE OT can have on this whole game is beyond imagining. We need to re-double our efforts in that direction.

  75. Hey Dean…this is completely off topic but seeing how you are here I thought I would ask. I had great wins doing my NOTS with Lynne and I believe you were my C/S at the time too – what-ever happened to her? Last I knew, and this was years ago, she was routing out of the SO after doing the LOC.


  76. Hey Ryan,

    I see what you mean.

    The people who do these things are taking themselves down. It’s an interesting demo of what happens when one’s only friend is the bank.

    The important thing, I think, is that we keep our attention on things we WANT rather than things we resent. (I don’t mean to preach – but what the hell, I AM a preacher!) If we put our attention on restoring the spirit of play and ignoring these bank-types, there will come the day when we have accomplished the scene we postulate.

    My letter was, as much as possible, a list of queries to lead people to honest and complete DOUBT formulas from which they can decide to play more survival games.

  77. Great write up Mark!I especially liked the question about the Library Campaigns – the fact that all of the library’s have discarded all of the books.

    I travel quite a bit and have been to 10 library’s in the United States alone – NO LRH BOOKS – NOT ONE!! I asked a few librarians and they said they threw them out. There were books against Scientology in the Libraries but none of the Basic Books that I personally donated tons of money for – to put in Libraries across the Globe!

    I would not hold my breath for Fraud Land Base to respond. They lie and twist the truth to get their $50 per week – they have to – they are being oppressed and are slaves being forced to commit crimes.

    I tried to get money that was extorted out of me when I was at Flag years ago. The ethics / registration office has merged and I was hammered for donations or I would not go into session for donations to get out of conditions. One of the conditions was questioning transparency in the church – I wanted to see the tax returns and financial statements for Flag, IAS, Way to Happiness Campaign, Super Power – because my best friend was hammered last time she was at Flag to donate to all of these causes after spending 80,000 on auditing. She was devastated and will never go back to Flag again.

    The Chaplains at Flag are NOT THERE – they have to LIE and twist the truth to justify KEEPING MONEY, not answering questions that are rational, reasonable to any parishioner – they simply will lie, file false reports, twist the truth to survive. You are dealing with Criminals – the staff at Flag and they are too far gone. Sad but true!

    I loved your write up and you are getting it very clearly – certainly criminal activity with the Church of Miscavige!

  78. KABOOM! Smack down!

    I honestly do not know how she can read that and NOT have it indicate in some fashion. But then again…. (sigh)

  79. Curiosus, Thanks for this. If a genuine evaluator came on this scene and did a complete eval, the result would be a book I would definitely read. And no doubt the WHY found would get everyone on board pushing for more new people getting trained and co-auditing up the Bridge to the top. I dream.

  80. Shreff,Well written letter. Your questions have been asked by many to no answer. From my viewpoint only robots are left! DM has NO desire, no need and zero responsibility to expand Scientology and actually help the world.

  81. Hi Simple,
    One of the best wins I’ve had along this line was in the cognition that to become PTS to someone I needed to take on his problem as my own. Of course it’s HIS problem so it hangs up – and me with it! This dramatization is rampant today. People so concerned about what will happen if they say this or do that. “Don’t piss off your MAA,” or “Don’t do that or someone will get upset!” The confessional is used today to pound beings in to boxes that comply with certain dimensions.

    How does one become himself AND compromise his own reality at the same time? What a games condition!

    These forms you speak of are confirmations of this invalidation that people allow on themselves.

  82. Exactly my thoughts as I read through the questions. They are very valid and pertinent questions. But one isn’t allowed to ask questions. “Minerva” famously told me a couple years back that it was “reverse management” to dare ask about the stats etc. True. I’ve still got the email. As Sam recently said the technical term for this is “pissing in the wind”. Church is dead – a deceased Church.

  83. Hey Bonny,

    I’m happy you agree and hope you will pass it on! I’m asking my friends to post in their sites.

  84. Thank you, Glasshppa.

  85. Scientology, the “New Natizism” and we all know how well that worked. To the programed few, and the scared, look around you, if you can. Come out of your chains! Grow a brain and become a thinking and rational person again. LRH is rolling over in his grave/do you blame him. Little Hitler is an embarrassment to himself and the ones he represents. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. or the one…..even the fictionalized character Spock knew this, but DM, it’s all about the needs of the ONE! Let this raving psychopath go off on his own. Maybe he could take a sabbatical in the desert…………by himself………….without anything or any one…………………..Peg

  86. Hi Newcomer,

    Thanks very much for this. More communication, not less, is the way through this drama. I’m glad to see your post.

  87. Selling LRH books would be forwarding the enemy line, can’t be doing that.

  88. Hi Statpush,
    Very interesting observations here and an excellent example of training in action. You remember when we “came in” to Scientology the idea of getting professionally audited was sort of… “What?” Everyone trained, and we boomed. Those days are ahead of us again. Thanks for your comments.

  89. Hello Anat!

    Thanks so much for your comm. It’s very true that a young, inexperienced staff is being trained in the “new church,” and that what is going on today can be a troubling business for one who feels tied to it. Fortunately, we are not – you and I. We are tied to our own commitments to OT and to helping our friends get free, and as long as we carry forward on that postulate we will win. It’s great to hear from you!

  90. Hey Lisa,

    I hadn’t heard this before, but it certainly proves the paradigm. You guys were on the BC when the declare happened and I recall my shock when I heard. I mean, you and Kev have always been crazy – but that’s why we have been friends for so long! That kind of crazy used to earn Kha Khans. OK. On to the new game!

  91. There are no answers to this questions. That is why they are not given.

  92. FOS,

    You are welcome! I would love to see everyone suddenly stand up say, “Hey! What the hell is going on? I have QUESTIONS and I want ANSWERS.” I reckon there would be a sudden shift.

    In the meantime, are you doing something about your own Bridge?

  93. Hi Deano,

    Thanks for the comm, old friend. I have answered all of these questions, as a matter of fact. No answers, however, from my terminals in the Church, and the answers I did find would not be given “I/A” for general distribution to the congregation of the church!

    The fact is, the questions are the thing. Everyone has to do his own looking to call it a real Doubt formula, and my purpose here is to pose those questions that only a robot would miss – and then present the solution: Do the DOUBT Formula completely and exactly – looking WHEREVER you need to look to find the answers. The process is quite cathartic and leaves you at the end with a certainty unknown in the church today as their doubt formulas are pre-fab, hence people are stuck in confusion.

    Hell, I’m preaching to the choir here, brother. It’s great to hear from you!
    If you have specific questions you want me to address, by all means let me know! I’d love to expedite your illumination if it’s in my power.

  94. I certainly hope so! Thanks, Ronn.

  95. Hi Ingrid,

    Good to hear from you, friend, and thanks for your comments. The OCA is being delivered correctly wherever the “Performia” company is being used. Sterling Management, for example, uses it to great success. This is an on-line recruiting activity out of Stockholm. Unfortunately there are very few clients in the USA. I had a site of my own until my announcement. It is not available for people who are declared.

    I’m sure the test can be found elsewhere, and if you find it – and the platens used to grade it – please let me know!! I can train people in it’s correct evaluation and would love to do it!

  96. Hi Shannon,

    Thank you very much, and I agree with you completely about that website. HIUGEly theta site that answered many questions. I’m glad you mentioned it.

  97. Hi Paul,

    I blush! Yes, this squirreled Doubt formula – all the lowers, actually – ensure that people stay confused and compliant. I’m going to address this point on my blog as the formulas are AMAZING when correctly applied – and when they are not we get what is happening in the church today. Thanks for your post, buddy.

    Mark (I love you, too!)

  98. Mano,

    Thank you very much for this enlightenment. I’m sure it’s helped many get some relief on this area.

  99. Yvonne Schick

    Thank you, Mark, for this kick-ass report. I have no doubt that it will be re-route and unfortunately Slavka will not see it personally. The good news is that others will!! Several people have asked me, “did you report your concerns on the ‘proper’ channels?”. Your report here clearly demonstrates what a piss in the wind that action is.

    You are such a remarkable man and so dedicated to helping others improve the conditions in their lives. It is wonderful having you here on the team for right.

  100. From ~The Creed of Scientology:

    Definition of Creed:

    any system, doctrine, or formula of religious belief, as of a denomination.

    any system or codification of belief or of opinion.

    an authoritative, formulated statement of the chief articles of Christian belief, as the Apostles’ Creed, the Nicene Creed, or the Athanasian Creed.

    the creed. Apostles’ Creed.

    The Quote from LRH:

    “That all men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others.” ~LRH

    Does anyone think that the “church” follows their own Creed??

  101. Mark, thanks for sharing this collection of clear-eyed, thoughtful questions with us. These are exactly the sorts of questions that every Scientologist should be asking of church management, and they should continue asking them until the church provides the answers.

    The irony is that of all groups, one would think that Scientologists would see these outpoints, and demand answers. The fact that they aren’t, indicates just how much force has been applied to keep the members from utilizing the tech of their own religion – which contains every tool necessary to resolve those outpoints.

    Is this the very height of madness or what?

    I don’t know. Perhaps one needs to see what’s going on in the church from an exterior view to see how incredibly insane it all is. Lord knows, it’s pretty tough to put it all together when you’re still on the inside, because you’re agreeing to not inspect all of the available data that could help explain it.

    Great post. Hope you put it up on your blog.

  102. Mark’s letter is great for anyone hung up at doubt or sitting on the fence. It will have no impact on the MAA unless, of course, she’s already starting to question things. The MAA isn’t going to answer Mark’s 19 questions and why should she. The group she’s in, Miscavige’s cult, doesn’t operate on LRH so why answer the questions. They operate on Miscavige’s dictates.

    Here’s the thing. The only thing Scientological about the RCS is that they own the name Scientology. That’s it; there’s nothing else. LRH admin & ethics policy have been trashed along with the tech. It’s the Cult of Miscavige although it doesn’t use his name. They consider anyone who has left to be suppressive to them and you know what, they’re right. Anyone who is for Standard Tech is suppressive to Miscavige’s cult. Scientology and Miscavige are polar opposites. Debbie Cook’s outing them in her letter and on the witness stand was suppressive to Miscavige’s cult. Get it?

    Anyone who has been declared SP from the cult should wear that declare like a badge of honor. Forget the IAS mumbo-jumbo levels. I can think of no finer award/reward/honor than to be declared suppressive by people who squirrel LRH’s tech.

  103. Roy MacGregor

    Great letter Mark! Very well put. Sadly Slavka has little IQ to work with. What she does have is devoted to making her book sales quota and avoiding spending all night cleaning toilets. Slavka is a simple hungarian, who joined the SO young and has a very limited knowledge of the world around her. She is representative of the new breed of SO members. Gone are the Class VI’s and Class VIII’s and OECs, None are being made and those that were made are either SP declared or laying as low as humanly possible. Now we have semi-literate Hungarians who have been personally trained by RTC staff on how to invalidate and introvert people that express any deviation from the party line. RTC runs special training for MAAs (Sea Org ethics officers) and security staff. They are trained and run directly by RTC. Their training includes simple or basic LRH Ethics courses but then outside that they get “special training” direct from RTC staff which revolves a lot around pushing people around and intimidating people and how to punish effectively. With all the “special” training, they do become good at it. RTC musters them up after hours and makes them endure cruel punishments, and then makes them cruelly punish others as part of their “training”. It’s hard to understand at first, how ethics officers and security staff could be treated so viciously. Finally I understood that to make the problem is how to make stupid but more or less decent people act in a cruel and out-of-valence way requires that you first place tremendous duress against them. Then you use the threat of this duress to make them act cruelly to others. Once that is accomplished you now have a complete out-of-valence ethics officer or security guard who will on their own lie to other staff and inflict vicious punishments without further orders. Just so you know who Slavka is and why she might by lying her ass off to try and damage and hurt you. When you think of her, think of her in training, hungry and bone tired, heavily restimulated, crying herself to sleep for a few hours on a dirty floor. She came from poverty and could easily be returned to it. She will never be allowed deep Scientology training. Such people are the rank and file of the Sea Org. It is FOR them that I will fight as best I can. Not against them. Your letter reflects this – Kudos to you for standing up for some real ideals. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you are doing.

  104. This is me Chris Mann. My WordPress is acting funny.
    My “user name” is dfb99, so I am either that or, my name Chris Mann.
    mano13298 was my password

  105. It’s probable it’s worse now, but even in 1989, a true doubt formula wasn’t really a doubt formula if one side involved the CofS, because the CofS (in my experience) would require that you use THEIR data for the other side. Of course, that’s inherently a violation of the doubt formula.

  106. one of those who see

    Was on the phone with Largo Paris 69 the other day and he just blurted out a brilliant phrase: “Stop Declaring The Scientologists!.” it was so simple and expressed the Insanity in the Church so perfectly I had to post it. For how many decades has The Church of Scientology been Declaring SCIENTOLOGISTS Suppressive!!!! Wonderful, theta people, Clears, OTs, Auditors, C/S’s, Disseminators, Sea Org, Staff Members & FSMs. Nuts, absolutely Nuts.

  107. They pretty much have to control access to information. If people read this email they would lose a lot of people. I’m guessing that most people in the church have doubts, but because of fear they cannot examine or voice these doubts. Not my kind of group.

  108. Great cog, Shreff, and useful!

    For me, it leads to further thoughts about “that guy who always tried to make his problems my problems”.


  109. I hear ya, Plain Old,

    I think the dawn is rising on a whole new idea called KSW, and the first group to keep this casually but resolutely IN across the boards will be the next evolution of our church. It will probably be a number of separate facilities since Scientology is all about independent action from common agreements. It is an inevitable circumstance, and caused by all of us who did not KSW the first time around. We will get better as we go! Ron tells us – and we all agree – that people love Scientology – Ron’s Brand – and that means KSW.

  110. Hey Doug!

    As it happens I will be in the same stretch of river tomorrow but with a different mission: to show my brother-in-law how to do it! It will be just as much fun, though.

    Yes, I’m confident that this game will re-invent itself along very standard lines and use these “trials by fire” to good effect in the game of getting beings across to OT. I’m looking over a number of groups now to see how I can engage with the game in such a way that the greatest good will be served.

    Also, I’m thinking the internet is a channel we cannot ignore as a dissemination wing and I’m hoping my tone scale seminar will be useful on that line. I’ve had many visitors to it with good effect.

    Thanks for the comm, Doug!

  111. Hi David,

    Your lips to God’s ears! It certainly had that effect on me!

  112. Artista! Thank you for this beautiful compliment.

  113. Hi Mark,
    You don’t know me but I had the distinct pleasure to at least hear you once when doing my training at Sterling in 1988.

    First of all, great write up! I find it very useful to pass along to anyone sitting on the fence, or in “not-know”

    “I’m sure the test can be found elsewhere, and if you find it – and the platens used to grade it – please let me know!! I can train people in it’s correct evaluation and would love to do it!”

    Regarding the OCA. I purchased the OCA from Sterling in 1988, WITH the platens for grading. Would be this the correct test you are referring to? If so, let me know here with an email, or I can contact you via your blog.

  114. Shreff,
    I think your letter packs more punch than Debbie Cook’s email, and needs to be widely circulated. You have, in effect, taken the gloves off, and isolated some critical outpoints which must be explained by the church.

    The Tone Arm is moving…

  115. Tony,
    The answer is no!

    The question: How could they when only orders are being ‘looked for’.

  116. ps. the OCA platen is copyright 1978, 1981.

  117. Mark,
    Fantastic write -up! The format, as a letter of questions to the MAA, I believe would really communicate to many people. I hope you add it to your blog.
    One of the buttons pushed by the brainwashed minons (also known as Flag MAA’s), when bringing to their attention any off-policy actions of the church is this: “Did you write up knowledge reoprts on what you observed?”.
    You know, if you see some out ethics stuff in the church, you’re “supposed to” apply KSW and write it up…but inside you know its really a pointless endeavor and will only lead to more problems and sec-checking.
    So, later if you mention the bad points you observed to someone they ask you: “Did you write it up?”. And really this is just an effort to introvert you, to stop your continued observation of the bad points. I guess the idea is that you’ll say “No, I never wrote any knowledge reports about the out ethics I witnessed.” and somehow, because YOU never wrote it up, YOU now become/became complicit, and so, feeling like you’ve become part of the problem, (you have your OWN overt of omission: NOT writing up the out-ethics) and so this “cognition” (I am to blame, too) will stop you from pushing forward with getting the bad shit corrected.
    I know, for myself, I witnessed many, many out-ethics activities by executives in the church, many of them Sea Org Execs. I saw first hand direct violations of LRH policy. But I rarely, if ever wrote them up.
    Instead I went off muttering to myself and usually wound up scrunching my eyes until I came up with some way of looking at things so that I was at fault, that it some fucked up part of me that was the problem, never our fearless leaders.
    I have great admiration for you, Mark, and your due diligence of the comm cycles with the MAA. I wish I had had the balls to do the same, or the ability to pull my head out of my own ass long enough to be able to confront what was, and not let myself be introverted and distracted from confronting, head-on, the multitues of out points…
    And there is always some tiny, tiny thread, of question or doubt there: “What if I HAD confronted this shit head on?” Would the end have been any different for me?
    Well, your write up answers that question!!!!!
    NO, I would have been declared an SP even faster!
    Because I did not confront these questions head-on my departure from the church was a long drawn out affair, I KNEW something was wrong, I kept making excuses, until the out-tech and crazy shit was so much that I left, still thinking it was “me”. It took me years to destimulate enough to see things straight.
    Your letter to the Flag MAA is perfect. It lays out the obvious questions that ALL Scientologists SHOULD be asking, along with the “answers” they will receive and the end result…declared an SP.
    I believe it will help many people.
    It has helped me.
    Thank you!

  118. Hi Nancy,
    Agreed. There are so many dichotomies in corporate Scn. Marty does a great job in detailing the main ones in his book. But I also think it goes way beyond first dynamic auditing technology and manifests itself across the dynamics. I am reminded of one of my favorite LRH lectures Games Processing from the PDC, where he talks about how the games being played on Earth are 180 degrees opposite of what they should be. We can now add the church of Scientology to that list.

  119. Hi Tessa,

    Thank you for this thoughtful post. The thing you translated seems a mash of a several lower conditions. One, the condition of the person himself – the identity he chose to be. Another – the identity driven upon him or assumed artificially (which is an enemy to the one he wanted originally.) The third is the result of the collission of these identities – the confusion of their mingling.

    One must separate these put and view them from a distance, and Ron provided us with these tools in the Conditions formulas.

    The reverse process is provided by Ron in these formulas: The confusion formula to get the being’s attention – without identity – in to Present time. Then the Treason formula to identify his basic purpose – the one he is most aligned or in agreement with. And then the Enemy formula when he discovers who he is REALLY being, and thus by inspection as-ising these characteristics not desired by him and which are counter to the basic purpose to which these other characteristics are opposed. Then, of course, he is in the DOUBT condition where he compares these two identities or “packages of characteristics” and makes a decision about what needs to be done with each, and with which one he will align as he continues up the line to Power.

    That’s a very loose interpretation, anyway, that addresses the situation of people getting too bound up in conflicting ideas and experiences. These are important data in these times where so many are confused.

    The full data for these things are actually on the “Volunteer Minister” website that contains all the volunteer minister materials. There is a free course on the Conditions Formulas and it fills in all the holes. Very interesting stuff.

    Thanks for posting, Tessa.

  120. Totally Agree ST. And I hereby cast my vote for the most OUT ETHICS FLAG MAA as Jasmin Arellano although she is in very close contention with the others. Thing is about Jasmin is that she really likes being mean and as a result she likes her job!

  121. “Ron tells us – and we all agree – that people love Scientology – Ron’s Brand – and that means KSW.”

    Yes, we want that stuff Ron wants us to have.

  122. You’re welcome! Let’s just not get stuck on them! Scientology is a HUGE rightness – more than enough to overcome!

  123. THTAT’s what I’m talking about! :))

  124. “The important thing, I think, is that we keep our attention on things we WANT rather than things we resent.”

    Mark…….that statement alone just rehabbed a major win for me. Shit, I have goose bumps just like the old days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The night I finished OT VIII I was on the bridge late at night. I was alone but I was also very connected. It was wonderful and I was experiencing what was around me. Suddenly I received a very distressed communication and it was from nearby. I knew right then……I was on a prison ship! And so the battle began …… to keep my attention and intention on what I want and not what ‘pisses me off’!!!

    This site has a very therapeutic side to it in that I can vent and then have a real good belly laugh to be sure I’m not getting too serious!!!

  125. Amen to that!

  126. Hi Ack!

    The Doubt formula is very therapeutic if the earlier ones are well done. The ref I referred to is copied here:

    “In twenty years an enormous amount of experience has been gained regarding the quarters and housing of orgs.
    From this experience there are only a few clear-cut lessons. These follow:
    A. VIABILITY of the org… is the first and foremost consideration… not how posh or what repute or what image.
    …Example: Stockholm took very posh, fancy quarters. Up to that time it has been viable. The overload of expense rapidly upset the salary sum, the staff began to moonlight (work on other jobs), and the org all but collapsed until cheaper quarters were found.
    Example: Phoenix 1955. A beautiful, big building at small expense was found. It was very prominent… the full reserves of the org went into furnishing these quarters. The area had to be abandoned, losing all reserves.
    Elizabeth, New Jersey, 1950. The shabby quarters there made lots of money. Beautiful country quarters were under survey for purchase. The psychiatric block… began action [in the area] to invoke a law against medical schools. If the better quarters had been purchased, they would have been lost.
    …CONCLUSION: Viability of economics must not exceed the income of the org. The SAFE figure for rent and mortgage payments must not exceed 15 percent to 17 percent of the gross income of the org.
    …C. Image is a secondary consideration.
Example: Hotel Reycar Alicante Spain was relatively cheap. It was quite posh. Students complained as it cost a bit more than they were willing to pay. Image in this case worked against the org.
    Example: Johannesburg’s three old buildings foolishly sold and the money squandered has yet to attain the income it made in its “old, horrible quarters” despite its newer image.
    … An org which adventures more than 15 percent of its current gross income for rent or purchase payments can get into far more serious trouble than an org with a poor building image.” HCOPL 23 SEPT 70 

    Hope this helps,


  127. Excellent write up – powerfull

  128. Mark you be the man! Your knowledge and background and experience in LRH Tech is so far superior to most Scientologist (in or out of the SO) it would put most into questions about what is happening IF they just read your comments on this blog.

    I am sure that many will forward your comments to others that should have the opportunity to read such a well laid out list of “questions”. People that do not read this blog, but still believe.

    I admire you for your very long term unwavering commitment to Scientology and your steadfast positions on trying to turn this mess around.

    Thank you for all that you have done and are continuing to do.

    Ken Schick

  129. Hey Kev,

    Another fine mess you got me in!

  130. Hi Pumpkin,
    Me too! And everyone else as well! Thanks for your post!

  131. Awesome writeup, BTW … how would Slavka ever read this, though, while a DM minion in the SO? (or is that just a rhetorical question?)

  132. Well I got my Declare today. As I have not actually heard from anyone in an org it follows the random pattern of insanity that is going on right now. I have received not one piece of communication prior to today. No KR’s, no warnings, no comm ev; nothing. I didn’t get a Golden Rod, phone call, email, letter or text.

    Way to go COS.

    To add insult to injury my FSM seems to have known prior to me as I was defriended on FB by him two days ago.

    Up to this point I considered myself lurker. Hanging on the sidelines seeing what will transpire from this mess. Hoping that it will sort out. This proves to me that the COS is not applying even the slightest piece of ethics tech. When I was on the EPF I remember going over and over the ethics book clearing words on the ethics gradients. How does one go right to Declare without any kind warning.
    Look out for my doubt formula. Now I can complete it

  133. Wow, Mark.

    Those are some very insightful and penetrating questions that you ask there. You would think that anyone reading them – no matter how PTS, would at least come up to “look” on the Know to Mystery scale and start identifying and duplicating the outpoints themselves.

    Sadly, however, this game we are playing appears to be more diabolical than it appears on it’s face.

    The person to whom you sent the questions is named Slavka (female slave).

  134. Mark,
    Thanks for standing up and being counted. Your questions are pertinent to the reality of the church today. If there is any chance of saving the good in the subject, it will be because more people like you do stand up.
    You have made a huge difference and we are truly grateful! Thanks again, love, Laura and Mike Wilson

  135. LDW,

    Thanks for your post. I see what you mean. It was something of a forecast, wasn’t it? In fact I cannot imagine the need for a policy or a directive that says “Don’t beat people up!” It’s like writing a policy that says, “It’s not OK to intentionally poke yourself in the eye with a sharp stick!” Ron talked about the Puritans in early America not being so pure. You could see how many laws they made to keep people from doing stuff for which I don’t even have a concept!

    What is the estimation of effort required by policy in order to get the purpose to flow? This requires a historical perspective, obviously, in order to correctly evaluate it. Ron was dealing with some real savages!

    I think policy writing can get pretty extreme, but when you are managing extremists, what the hell. The ideal scene, of course, is that we are managing with high ARC, and managing people who respond to that, and who don’t even therefore need policy!

  136. Mark — I guess the real irony of this is you asking for statistics should be greeted with “We thought you would never ask. Of course, look at these, we have graphs and information on our incredible statistics, as much as you want.”

    Because you KNOW, that if those statistics existed, the very ones you are asking about, they would be being shouted from every rooftop.

    You would see exploding graphs by the dozens and rousing videos showing REAL people in the orgs bursting at the seams (the obviously staged shots filled with extras).

    You would see the hundreds and thousands of OTs manifesting themselves (rather than avoiding regges and otherwise hiding).

    You would see the IAS promoting the massive number of members they have around the world — in fact, I believe their numbers are shrinking.

    And my oh my, you would never hear the end of it if there actually WAS a new org (just one….) in amongst this unprecedented, massive, straight up and vertical expansion that has been going on for decades under the guidance of the most supreme commander pope on a rope.

    Oh, be sure, you and everyone else would be having this information rammed down your throat with details and specifics (don’t forget the excruciating detail POB will engage in when he feels he is on strong ground — remember the “Basics” briefing?) rather than the unverifiable, incomprehensible vague generalities that are foisted off at every event — “more people being introduced to the tech now than at any time in history and 50X the decade previous to then.”

    States are irrefutable. It’s why there is so much policy written about them and why the Doubt formula says to examine the STATISTICS.

    It is also why Miscavige has made an art form out of phony “stats” and propaganda by redefinition of terms: “Square footage = expansion”, “new building = new org” — and then SHOW those things. Because there is nothing else to show. The “statistics” of the RCS are strictly how much money can be sucked in and how much MEST can be purchased and displayed. It’s a sorry state of affairs for the organization that is supposed to provide Dianetics and Scientology and all that they offer.

    So glad to have your voice adding to the chorus — singing a song that is gaining popularity by the day. And a song that can even be heard inside the walls of Miscavige’s sand castle.

  137. Robert Earle

    Against the tide

    Each year, the editors at 24/7 Wall St. identify 10 American brands most likely to disappear. This year’s list reflects the brutally competitive nature of certain industries and suggests what can happen to companies that fall behind in efficiency, innovation or financing.

    The website takes a methodical approach in predicting which brands will disappear before the end of 2013, based on the following criteria:

    A rapid decline in sales, contributing to steep losses.
    Disclosures by the parent of a brand that it might go out of business.
    Rapidly rising costs that are unlikely to be recouped through higher prices.
    Companies that are sold.
    Companies that go into bankruptcy.
    Companies that have lost most of their customers.
    Operations with rapidly withering market shares.

    The above is a news item on the web re Brands most likely to disappear. I would say Corp Scienology fits at least some of the criteria for disappearing. At least the first and the last two items on the list.

  138. Hey Jim,
    Off-topic-Wanted you to know I have responded to your posts from the previous article. But they will likely not show up till Tuesday (it takes my posts 24 hours to be moderated and posted. No idea why so long.) So if you have a chance, maybe check the previous page comments on Tue.

  139. HEY ALL,
    Does it take everyone else — or anyone else — 24 hours to have their posts moderated and posted here? Or is it just me? Just noticed this yesterday (Sunday). Seems a little odd, and way too long. Do you think there may be something messed up in my profile that needs to be fixed? If so, how do you suggest I should do that?


    P.S. If I’m right, this post will show up on Tuesday, but will be marked Monday, Aug. 6, 8-9 pm-ish.

  140. Hi Patata,

    Imagine the spiritual stress these people are experiencing! A being basically knows, and my heart goes out to these guys who have been slowly turned in to the sun and their eyelids gradually made transparent. Now they are blind and used to it – and braille their way through each day dedicated in their hearts to LRH and not – ising the betrayal of their management. Man, I have been there. You have, too.

    Roosevelt called it “The Big Lie.” If you’re going to lie, tell one so big no one will believe it is a lie. Hence we have Kennedy/Oswald and 9-11 and The New Order and DM’s iconic “The War is Over!”

    The war WAS over – and we lost. Now THAT is an interesting historical perspective.

    Now we need to pick ourselves up by the bootstraps and re-evaluate our importances. We need to Snap Out of It.

    The one thing that defeats all of these lies is to quietly go about getting LOTS of people to stable OT. That is really the only thing. That’s what I’m going to do, and what I’m going to suggest to my friends. Eventually we will pick everyone up who can be salvaged.

    The game is afoot, my friend.

  141. Hail, Centurion!

    Very kind words. And I share your dream about The Awakening. We are all in the same boat, after all, and a leak affects us all.

  142. SKM,

    Many thanks for your post and for your shoulder at the wheel.

  143. You can contact me at I would be happy to answer your questions. When you write me please let me know who you are so that I may ask Lyn if it is okay. I am sure she will remember you.

  144. The moderation depends on schedules and other things happening. Sometimes I will moderate and if I am unsure about certain comments (ie whether Marty will want them posted on his blog) I will leave those for him. You and Jim seemed to be off in your own world and I wanted Marty to decide what he wanted or didnt want appearing…. Hope that explains it to you.

  145. EXSO, I assume this was a “double secret” declare? Did they even say what you were declared for?

  146. Hey Dan,

    Your posting is not addressed to me but I can still say that no greater compliment is paid than one from whom your own list of favorites is topped. Your contributions in a poster would adorn my wall, the Michael Jordan of Scientologists!

    But these are a footnote to what we as a group will accomplish in the future! I look forward to playing with you again.

  147. LatinAmericanMX

    I thought Mexico was the only country where the completion of the Library Donation campaign had been false reported. I am a reader since I was 10 years old (and while I was on the Sea Org at LATAM they tried to take it from me by making fun when I would read anything that was not from LRH, but I would keep doing it anyway even if I would need to hide to avoid the jokes on me or the penalties given, following the pattern of Flag) so I love libraries.
    I am a regular user of 3 of the biggest libraries in Mexico: Jose Vasconcelos Library, also regarded as the biggest of Latin America; the Biblioteca Central of Ciudad Universitaria UNAM, the main library of the most important university in Mexico and for spanish-speaking countries as well as the main source of books for the Faculty of Philosophy and Literature of the same university, and the Biblioteca Mexico, which is one of the oldest and most renowned libraries of Mexico.
    In none of these libraries I have been able to find the Basic Books, and I have looked for them since they reported Mexico City as a completed target.
    I remember being asked for more money for audiobook donations and so for, but there is no way I’m giving them a penny any more.

    By the way, I loved the way you questioned the right things. Let me know if you get any answers.

  148. Hi Lizabeth,

    You’re very welcome! It really was my pleasure to write as it was too long locked away in my gut!

    I can only hope that the tides are changing at FSO, but I am moving on to a new horizon. I think by the time they get it together I will have passed my prime, and there are so many people to Clear!

  149. Hi Greta!

    YOU ARE WELCOME, my dear. I’m afraid that folks have been so third partied about anything that comes out of my mouth that it will do little good within the church, but my hope is that it may inspire some sincere Doubt handlings, and the more DECISIONS we get, the grater the TA and the better things move.

    I’d love to hear whatever you have to say about the OCA, and I know I am not alone!

  150. I got HCOPL 7 March 1965 RB. Issue 1 Revised 8 Jan 1991. That states (reissued 4 november 2001 to correct the date of this issue. This PL was originally issued 7 March 1965. When revised in Dec 1965 the Mimeo typist erroneously altered the date of the PL to the revision date of 23 December 1965).
    This is an alter is of the HCOPL in my green vols.

    Then I got:
    Continued membership in a divergent group.
    Continued adherence to a person or group pronounced a suppressive person or group by HCO
    Failure to handle or disavow and disconnect from a person demonstrably guilty of suppresive acts.
    oh and the killer
    Engaging in malicious rumor mongering to destroy the authority or repute of higher officers or the leading names of Scientology or to Safeguard a position.
    Oh and then a generalization:
    Violation of KSW.

  151. Hi Calvin,
    Thanks for the fireworks!
    I don’t recall that tape about Hitler.
    Yes, too many people paid too much attention to that little man. And Hitler, too!
    Have you seen my Blog yet? I’ll be posting some pictures of crowds in South Africa, and certainly one or two of Hout Bay which is probably my favorite spot on the planet!
    Thanks for posting, Calvin.

  152. 🙂

  153. Sally,
    I’ve invited you to communicate directly to me via hushmail (it’s secure).

  154. Thank you Mark for standing up. I sense and really understand the significance of your pronouncements and actions.

    Us, as Human Beings, will continue to “wake up” until we realize we are something so much more. Thank you again for hammering that eternal reminder.

    Perhaps we’ll have a conversation that complements that one circa ’75 or so at the Cincinnati Mission on Jefferson Avenue.

    Yeah, it changed and improved my life in ways that cannot be simply written without a long winded session. None-the-less, I consider you a Scientological Hero.

    Please don’t blush……………

    There are real heros and you are one of them. I’m temporarily star-struck having met one of them. In short, thanks for everything you are doing and I could go on.

    If it were iin my capacity, I’d assign you a condition of power. However, if there’s one higher, it would be Kha Khan.

    I’ll cut this short.

    Thanks Mark!

  155. Tom Gallagher

    This is to be from Tom Gallagher.

  156. > “I think there is more to know about the arrangements made behind this whole scene. I cannot believe that DM has the licks to pull off the complete defeat of the church and it’s executive body.” … “ Maybe I’m naive, but the allure and promise of OT and the effect TRUE OT can have on this whole game is beyond imagining. “
    No, I don’t think you are naive (and I don’t think that you think you are naïve). I think your write up (1. – 19. …) are “emergent properties”.

    > “We need to re-double our efforts in that direction.”
    I think we (also) need to concentrate in the “underlying non-emergent properties” (and I think this is what you meant).

  157. Ah. Was this supposed to be self explanatory or did they say how you did these things?

  158. Hi Morgue,

    It is a bleak scene, for sure, but hope springs eternal with me and Ron also tells us that all aberration teeters on the end of a pin.

    I remember some dark days on my own track when a correction list turned everything around “on a dime.” (Which means, for our European friends, turned in a very small space. A dime is the smallest coin in America.)

    I’ve turned organizations from failing to prosperous in days. When the right WHY is found, miracles can happen. It’s a magic carpet ride.

  159. Ahhh, another strong shoulder to these wheels. Boy, is it nice to read your letter and your reponses to these comments. Yessiree. Very nice.

  160. Horse,

    Yes, (sigh). My concern is with the datum of sending comm in to confused areas. It just adds to the confusion. But my hope is that many will read it and the ship will turn.

    I have contingency plans, of course, because we can’t allow these speed bumps to keep clearing from going on!

  161. Hi Carol,

    You’re probably right, but I am compelled to keep assigning and enforcing the condition, lest I buy it myself. There are more constructive things to do, for sure, and I am pressing on those as well.

    Thanks for your comm.


  162. Joe Pendleton

    Shreff is obviously an extremely cool and VERY aware individual. To say nothing of his virtually four decades of contributions in the dissemination and delivery of Scientology. As to the MAA he addresses, well, I would say there will be no change in the way the CoS operates in this regard no matter what. This is because the WHOLE ETHICS SYSTEM as set up in the 1960s STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN! The proof of this is quite simply the product you see before you. NO ethics officer or MAA had the character or confront to ever recognize or deal with the rise of Miscavige. That’s because the WHOLE SYSTEM in Dept. 3 is set up/colmpletely geared to protect and defend the power in the church from ever being challenged by anyone. The “recourse” in policy is just for show, it is a sop to the masses, a disguise that one ONLY has the recourse that the power at any time decides is in its interests to give. Dept. 3 is there to keep the folks in line and kick out and defame anyone who offers ANY real dissent to the power in the church. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY. Miscavige has just kept the ball rolling. And he has been smart enough to do it with teenagers and/or other extremely “influence-able” folks who either know nothing about Scientology or are deathly in fear as a tone level. And NO ONE opposed him. Hello Heber, Yager, Guilliame, you alleged “OTs” …… The system itself is an oppressive and sick one. And then there’s the whole system of “informing” that was set up, all the different “reports” one has the duty to write as an obligation to the third dynamic. How much do you bet that none of this system (or just the bare minimum needed to handle true suppressives on the 3D) will EVER be applied by Independent Scientology. Thank you Mark for once again exposing this sick, fascistic system and how EASY it is to be taken over by the Hitler Youth and their leader. Qual? Don’t make me laugh. If the top “OTs” in Scientology have absolutely no confront or ability to deal with any type of evil and are so easily co-opted to agree (yes sir, we will walk into the Hole for you, because we have no minds of our own and are incapable of saying no to you) how do you expect the “Correction Division” to act? Of course, it hasn’t. A COMPLETE collapse of the whole Scientology admin system. A house of cards when push came to shove and there was a REAL challenge. Right before our very eyes. Yeah, nice buildings and money. And Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin were able to steal money and build things too.

  163. My dear Yvonne,

    Thank you so much for your post, and as usual you have duplicated this action completely. I have been peeing in the wind for so many years my uniform is a fisherman’s slicker!

    I am no longer concerned about the future of the church. I will press my reports but in the end it is not the TRAIN but the TRACK that is important. Any train can get you down a track – but there is only one track to OT.

    I am now concerning myself with the TRACK. Once I find a viable one that is completely KSW and effective, I will engage with it and start funneling people.

    Jees, it’s like the Underground Railroad we ran back before the Civil War!

    Freeing Beings is the game, and I know you’re with me on this one!

  164. > “The important thing, I think, is that we keep our attention on things we WANT rather than things we resent.”
    In this case, in order to get what we want, we also need to handle what we resent.

  165. Hi Ronnie,

    Thank you, brother, for your post. Once again, you and I are birds of a feather. You don’t flyfish, do you?

    I won’t post this on my blog as I want to keep that free of this sort of news. My blog is about introducing people to possible solutions, and everyone already has enough problems without taking on the ones we have with our church!

    You ever get through New Mexico?

  166. Dear Mark,

    I have lots of admiration for people like you (loved your online tone-scale seminar).

    Someone already posted a chunk from the Creed of the Church here, but I would like to post another Creed I found in my “What is Scientology?” 1978 Edition.
    The vast majority of Scientologists already forgot this one.
    It’s short, it’s laconic and it’s beautiful.

    Here we go, Page 188:

    Start snippet >>>

    Another valid though lesser known creed is that of the Founding Church of Scientology of Washington, D.C. formed as a religious society on 21 July 1955.


    That God works within Man, his wonders to perform;

    That Man is his own soul, basically free and immortal, but deluded by the flesh;

    That Man has a God-given right to his own life;

    That Man has a God-given right to his own reason;

    That Man has a God-given right to free and open communication [sic];

    That the human spirit is the only truly effective therapeutic agent available to Man;

    That a civilization can endure only so long as both spiritual and material needs find place within its structure.

    <<< End snippet

    So yes, your communication is welcome and I really thank you for KSW, Scientology Ron’s Brand.

    Scientology is for people able to have it. Let’s splurge on it!

    (Miscavige, can you have Scientology?)

  167. Now there’s a game I want to play! Count me in, Pal!

  168. Hello Roy,

    It is a cruel device that takes the dreams of spiritual freedom and then mocks them. This should not occur to anyone, and I would have this undone. Talk about de-compression! Can you imagine when these guys are released? They will need a hand, and mine will be there for them.

    I heard today that Leona Fine and her husband Mike routed out of the SO. Apparently Mike has some sort of bone cancer. I have no other details, and no advice to offer them except to start with a complete and thorough PTS handling. How, in the SO, can one name his SP if it is one of the so-called “good hats?” What a pressure cooker games condition.

    I wish them the best.

  169. Exactly. How far we would go with KSW!!

  170. An amazing perception. Well done.

  171. Mark,

    This write-up is brilliant — your logic, undeniable. The out-points are blaring — distribution of “Freedom” to St. Pete Times readership, the epitome of stupid!

    It blew charge for me and no doubt it will help others who share the same thoughts and questions you raised.

    You’re amazing, so damn smart, and I have tons of respect and admiration for the efforts you’re taking to spread the truth!


  172. Thetan > Policy
    Says a lot, especially if trained in LRH Policy and Tech.
    That said, evidently the MisCarriage Midget has pumped up the egos (self images) of Church thetans to ignore LRH policy.
    Big difference.

  173. Assumed Identities are not Identical. Hey! When’s the last time anyone ran HC lists?

  174. Slavka:
    • Gender: Feminine
    • Usage: Slovene, Croatian
    • Meaning & History: Feminine form of Slavko
    ¤ Source:
    • Gender: Masculine
    • Usage: Croatian, Serbian, Slovene, Medieval Slavic
    • Meaning & History: Derived from Slavic slav meaning “glory”.
    ¤ Source:

  175. Hi Andy!

    Man, you’re one of my heroes of many years! I recall the tenacious quality you brought to everything, and a die-hard attitude that had me laughing on more than one occasion. It’s great to have a comm line with you again.

    While reading your post and your comments about my balls I realized that I don’t have balls, actually. What I have is a willingness NOT to be in the church that equals my willingness to be IN the church. Or anything else for that matter.

    The notion of being declared, for me, was NEVER an issue. It’s not something anyone can hold over my head or extort me with. Hell, I’ve been declared a couple of times before. Those who declared me ended up being declared themselves!

    I have a very independant and lovely daughter who is always on my mind – but if I am declared she is still my daughter and the love of my life, and she has a beautiful husband and children and her husband’s family are everything a father could hope for. So I’m OK!

    I hope this is a helpful observation for you as it just helped me to understand my puzzlement with your question about my balls.

    Mind you, I do have balls, but I just never considered they were on the table. My spiritual eternity is on the table, and I have not given ANYONE the right to determine that. NOBODY but me.

    I KNOW that if I do the right thing and get expelled, it will be no problem. I will be back.

    I KNOW that if I screw something up and get declared – OK, I’ll do A to E and I’ll be back.

    I KNOW that if the people handling me are squirrels and do not KSW and have other dramatizations of out-ethics, they CANNOT have good tech or admin so why would I want to be in that group anyway? So I’m OK!

    I know, in other words, that Scientology is the game where everybody wins.

    God, I love being a Scientologist. I’m honored to be your friends and the friend of anyone who stays on this track – or who loses it from time time doing some crazy thing but then getting it out of their system and getting on with the game of OT.

    So any way I look at it, I’m OK. YOU”RE OK. We are ALL OK. This does not take balls. It takes a willingness to lose them.

    Let’s talk soon!


  176. Hi Ken!

    GREAT to hear from you, and I really appreciate your words. having seen the feedback of so many excellent people I am very encouraged that I did the right thing by posting. I think we are spending too much time on all this crazy shit, but there are people who really need to have a handle on things and I forget that I was one of those a few months ago! So I posted in the hope it would help, and from your feedback and Yvonne’s and so many other friends, I’m feeling a fishing trip boil up in my innards!

    I want to know when you and Y are heading North in the hope we could hook up. I’m out of the country soon for a week, and then back for some other forms of mischief.

    When are you going?

    Thanks again for posting, my friend.


  177. Lurker 2.0!

    Hey man, now you stop lurking and just hang out in the open. It is truly weird that you had no other gradients, but stranger things have happened!

    We’ll be looking for that announcement, dude.

  178. Hi Scott,
    I think a reasonable strategy is to stop paying attention to that game once you have made a decision in doubt, and just get on with more constructive games. I agree with you that the church today is like a Gordian’s knot, and will finally come unraveled when everyone lightens up about it. The we can fix it or just get on the right track and leave this train behind!

  179. Hi Laura,
    I agree that we all need to take a stand, and it’s quite easy after the formulas are fully done. What a relief!!

    I’ve very happy that you guys are winning.



  180. BTW, ” Slavka” was the MAA who forced me on the meter my last Flag trip… Love your quote “It (COS) does not build people, grow their innate goodness, and potential. It sucks money and ultimately the very life force from their soul. ” Whoa ..

  181. Hello Mike!
    Your sage words are a blessed relief as this issue on stats has been at the center of my rant with HCO and OSA for the past year, and what you say is very true: if we were actually producing these stats they would be tooted from the rooftops.

    I was so tired of the game-show mentality of these so-called “International Events” that could not do anything BUT bring about Non Existence in lower echelons. It is transparent.

    The Manchurian Candidate re-visisted. I was reminded of a ride I took once in Disneyland called “INTO the ATOM!” that was guaranteed to introvert the hell out of anyone who rode it. It was the time I realized that amusement parks are implant stations without the electricity. Just like INT events.

    Which raises another, more onerous, matter: there is no intention of creating these stats because it is no longer the game in the church. The game of creating auditors and making real OTs is a fiction that they don’t even pay lip service to any more. This is my opinion, but in my gut I think that game is over. I don’t see it happening, and I see no enthusiasm anymore for CLASS 8 and other accomplishments that used to get us all excited.

    My interest, frankly, is in salvaging as many pieces as possible from that game. Like the “Great Escape” movie where they dismantled the barracks to build tunnels to get people OUT and on to the right track.

    I’m really happy that you posted, Mike. I hope you’re doing well and that you’ll check out my blog and give me a piece of your mind.

  182. Brian, I lived at the Sivananda ashram for awhile. He’s one of my faves.

  183. Yes, I use to smoke at Flag. Bad Indicator. Now I don’t even think of smoking. Interesting Indicator.

  184. Mike,
    Seems to me Sally smells a tad like a service facky, aloof OSA Bot.

    She is in a “Get your fucking act together and answer me when I am talking” kind of valence. HMMMMMMMMMMMM now who does that remind me of …?

  185. Hapexamendios

    Awesome write-up! Thanks for sharing it here where it can be seen far and wide. No sane person could read that and not cognite that things are very, very wrong in the corporate church.

  186. Latino!

    Thank you for the post, amigo.

    I love libraries, too, though I don’t frequent them anymore. I have wondered why our entire LRH library has not been downloaded to an iPAD, as I read everything anymore in a digital format and with today’s state-of-the-art there is plenty of room.

    As to the answers for my questions, I did resolve them but not in a way that would be given Issue Authority by church management. I went to the Internet for most of it and the rest I cobbled together from friends on orgs staffs around the world and from obnosis.

    It was an ordeal because the church has been my ally for 38 years, and suddenly I was being treated like an enemy just for asking questions. At one point a friend, Dan Koon, told me they were planning all the way up the lines how to “handle me” and they were concerned I was going to “resign from the church.” I went in the next day to the continuing series of OSA interviews and brought that up as the first point: You may be concerned that I’m going to resign from the church. I will not. You will wish that I did if you do not answer my questions, because I am not going anywhere. But these questions are.” That was in July 2011, and here are the questions today – unanswered by the church but, happily, I have made peace with them.

    Good luck with your Bridge – which I hope you are pursuing!

  187. Tory, Mark has a blog he started:

    Damn girl, for someone who claims to no longer be a Scientologist, you sure sounded like a pissed off independent to me tonight! I say this with measurable affinity btw. 🙂

  188. Hi Joe,

    I’m with you, brother. You’ve obviously chewed on this bone for awhile and I’m glad to see your conclusions. I’m amazed that it took me so long to see it, but then I am only recently arrived from the graveyard of the not-quite-dead!

    I actually think our future is a LOT more interesting than our past has been!

    I hope to see you in it!


  189. Hi Marsha!

    Your help has been invaluable, my friend. Thank YOU for that, and I look forward to some sort of collaboration up the line.

  190. Theo Sismanides

    Communication on such matters now is possible.

    Going to a safe place and speaking up.

    The Indie Field, the mighty Internet as the new means of human (fast) communication all this make up for DM’s fall.

    Reason prevails again in Scientology. It was not like that ten years ago. A long of time has been lost and we underestimate ourselves in what we can do. I am being told to concentrate on Greece and myself when I see all those people around me who can do something about it. Like Mark. So I will keep on encouraging my 3rd dynamic to get even closer to each other and do things together.

    Mark, thanks for coming out, thanks for stating your questions, sticking to them and demanding a decent answer.

    Though we are not using much Force or much Intelligence we use enough Free Theta to fight this battle. And though I can understand how people became reactive to any idea of uniting, organizing and working together (something that only LRH could have gotten them to do and DM undoes it big time), I will insist on saying that ALL of us can push forward and do it. Each one to the degree he/she can perform certain actions.

    One by one people are leaving the church and coming to the Indie Field so they can take a breath of theta. This is the admin decompressing era I guess.

    Thanks again Mark.

  191. SKM, that creed is really beautiful. Thank you for reminding me of it.

  192. Theo Sismanides

    Joe, good observations, however I don’t think any system can think by itself. So don’t blame Admin for what Thetans didn’t do.

    The actual problem is Ethics level and as we know it this has to do with Tone Level. High Ethics would be High Tone individual. So in my opinion we have been going through a test and the test has been how do you deal with Suppression from within especially when such suppression is found at the top of the org board. And it looks like we failed to deal with this.

    Now, the latest solution IS to go out, away from the suppression and handle it from a distance. So the Indie Field has assumed the post of Keeper of Tech in Dept 21 and other hats. The only difference is that the KOT and the other hats are being performed outside the Organization. Reports keep going in now and they are targeting the right terminals and people feel safe and insist on putting ethics in. So not everything is lost and yes the system is working when there is SOMEONE There. And now there are some someones Here. Really are for the first time after so many years.

  193. Mark,

    E very brilliant and astute write-up! It is my first choice of a write-up to show any inquiring mind.

    I know you addressed it to an AO MAA but you no doubt were reaching out to those who actually would take your questioning to heart.

    I was twinned for a while with an ex-Coachman MAA on the RPF and got some insight into their life at the FSO. They are all young – under thirty and most started in their teens.

    They were all trained under the direct supervision of the D/IG MAA and RTC Reps.

    They regard the RTC reps as semi-Gods.

    From what I could derive it seemed very apparent that from 1995 onward DM intentionally only wanted very young people to be posted as auditors and MAAs – those who had no prior experience of LRH tech the way it was. All while slowly getting rid of old-timers who knew how it was when LRH was running things, except for those old timers who donated amply and were willing to bow down to DM.

    Any MAA is supposed to be a PTS/SP specialist, trained in every nuance of PTS/SP technology, condition application, etc., but instead, the new breed of MAAs are personally instructed and the material interpreted for them by the very people who they would find have suppressive characteristics if they were truly applying and understanding the tech they so carefully studied.

    Most MAAs are just young people with good intentions. They have been trained up to become bitches and bastards but that’s trained in and not inherent and most of them as people are probably nice people, as I have no doubt even the MAA you’re addressing is like.

    It is a pity the very people who should root out suppression from an organization have been indoctrinated into protecting the real suppressives while rooting out the real productives.

    Your intelligent and well-worded questioning will have good impact among the Scientology community as it gets spread!

    Thanks for doing this, Ulf

  194. “In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell

    Modified for corporate Scientology …

    “In a time of deceit, doing a proper doubt formula is a revolutionary act.” – Independent Scientologists

  195. Kevin-I’d like to know who that is.

  196. Joe Pendleton

    Totally spot-on definition, Tony !

  197. Shreff-you got it!!!

  198. Thanks Mark. I will surely visit your blog — what is the url (it will benefit others to have it posted here too).

    I have done a lot of postings and comments on this blog concerning the stats and events and the scam of the Ideal Orgs. It really is a master sleight of hand that Miscavige has managed to pull the wool over so many people’s eyes. They actually believe that this is the “greatest period of Scientology’s expansion ever” in spite of what is in front of their face. They buy smoke and mirrors and illusions because they cannot see the omitteds.

    I don’t think we have ever met, but I know a lot of people that speak so highly of you. And from reading what you have written, I know why.


  199. Steve Hassan, author of Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves, answers the question of “Is it or isn’t it a Mind-Control Cult?” with the following characteristics of a cult;

    * Behavior Control

    o Regulation of individual’s physical reality
    o Major time commitment required for indoctrination sessions and group rituals
    o Need to ask permission for major decisions
    o Need to report thoughts, feelings, and activities to superiors
    o Rewards and punishments (behavior modification techniques positive and negative)
    o Individualism discouraged; “group think” prevails
    o Rigid rules and regulations
    o Need for obedience and dependency

    * Information Control

    o Use of deception
    o Access to non cult sources of information minimized or discouraged
    o Compartmentalization of information; Outsider vs. Insider doctrines
    o Extensive use of cult generated information and propaganda
    o Spying on other members is encouraged
    o Unethical use of confession

    * Thought Control

    o Need to internalize the group’s doctrine as “Truth”
    o Use of “loaded” language (for example, “thought terminating clichés”). Words are the tools we use to think with. These “special” words constrict rather than expand understanding, and can even stop thoughts altogether. They function to reduce complexities of experience into trite, platitudinous “buzz words.”
    o Only “good” and “proper” thoughts are encouraged.
    o Use of hypnotic techniques to induce altered mental states
    o Manipulation of memories and implantation of false memories
    o Use of thought stopping techniques, which shut down “reality testing” by stopping “negative” thoughts and allowing only “good” thoughts
    o Rejection of rational analysis, critical thinking, constructive criticism. No critical questions about leader, doctrine, or policy seen as legitimate.
    o No alternative belief systems viewed as legitimate, good, or useful

    * Emotional Control

    o Manipulate and narrow the range of a person’s feelings
    o Make the person feel that if there are ever any problems, it is always their fault, never the leader’s or the group’s
    o Excessive use of guilt
    o Excessive use of fear
    o Extremes of emotional highs and lows
    o Ritual and often public confession of “sins”
    o Phobia indoctrination: inculcating irrational fears about ever leaving the group or even questioning the leader’s authority. The person under mind control cannot visualize a positive, fulfilled future without being in the group.

    (Does this nail corporate Scientology on its head clearly identifying it as a cult, or what? It’s as if it was written FOR corporate Scientology but it was not. This list, alone, I should think would wake up corporate Scientologists. It can certain be part of the doubt formula.)

  200. I say “never give up” on what you view to be true, and I think all the frogs in all that hot water actually are aware of the things you talked about in your dispatch, Shreff.

    Too many people are being super-critical of those still in the Church and it isn’t helpful. As LRH made clear in You Can Be Right, few change their mind through criticism; admiration and communication are the only true universal solvents.

    Staying in high ARC and continue to talk. That’s been the answer to “fixed conditions” forever.

    Slavka knows better than most that something’s “mighty wrong in Mudville” and it won’t be long before she becomes an active agent for change for the better.

    People are always telling others “It won’t work” and, “things will never change.” Going on and communicating with the postulate that “it won’t work” certainly isn’t going to work, but the right answer is to drop the postulate, not to stop communicating.

    Keep talkin!

  201. “Aren’t allowed to ask questions?” YOU are! So, go ahead and ask them of them. The Church may have a deadness in it, but the “deadness” you seem to see in Church members is simply circuitry built on a poor foundation of failed purposes.

    Most of the people now active in the field, I’d wager, were once stagnant in their thinking and robotically doing whatever management told them to do.

    A little like a hypnotic state, but certainly tractable! Put a comm line in and don’t bitch about your pc!

  202. In the last analysis until Miscavige is removed from the self styled position he holds and the church is restored on track as LRH intended, there will be no case change with regard to the church other than a continued deterioration.
    Arguing with minions and yes men (or women) who are obviously in total effect of DM is a waste of time. His does not practice scientology. His minions do not practice scientology. No one at that level practices scientology. Why are there?
    One needs to handle the source. A continual persistent overwhelming demand for Miscavige’s removal as violating church tenets, the philosophy and any other charges is what is required. Here we have the only route for man researched and presented in this universe and it is ok for one evil intentioned being to suppress it! I don’t think so!
    Miscavige should be forced to resign.

  203. Tory!! For crying out loud, my friend, isn’t it about time that you learned to say what’s REALLY on your mind?? Girl, we really gotta talk, and I look froward to it. Shreffy

  204. FreedomFromYouIn2006

    My husband has always had a good word and a grin whenever he brought up “The Shreff”! He really did always think of you as a hero, and someone to look up-to. I can see why he thinks this! Thank you for this intelligent and clear-as-day analysis of the current C of S. Looking forward to seeing what else you have to say.

  205. Hey stats,
    The fact is, they won’t answer these questions. But the fact that they won’t answer these questions IS the answer to these questions. It is not Ron’s church any more, and as they stand silent before the mast, the congregation will see the comm lag and fall on to it. Then we rescues as many as we can and get a real train to OT operating!

  206. I think this idea has great merit. In fact there are still a number of old timers around who worked with Ron, and a compilation of their stories would be a best seller. Or a book featuring the successful actions of old timers back in the boom days of 70s and 80s. It’s an excellent idea and I think would fill a niche.

  207. Shref,
    Wow, wow, We blew so much charge reading your letter. Thank you! Thank you for caring about LRH and Standard tech! That is really what it gets down to when one becomes an Indie, demands for standard tech, LRH’s tech. The stuff that changed our live’s and what we wanted to get to the world. The stuff that is being squirreled by ALL of those in the current “church”. Those that are unknowingly commiting overts on LRH because they are to PTS to look. There is a state worse then blindness, that is thinking you see when you don’t. Your letter will go viral.
    Kat and Jerry Brady

  208. “The ethics / registration office has merged”

    Huh? This two departments in totally separate divisions have merged?

    Can you clarify what you mean? Thanks!

  209. Starman, thank you very much for your post. My email is and I’d love to hear from you!

  210. + 1,000,000 statpush

  211. Hello Mike,
    The blog is
    That is the “URL” I assume… I’m pretty new at this new fangled stuff.

    You and I.had one brief encounter at a New Year’s party at the Boneventure in the first year of the Power FSM program. I was one of the recipients and was invited to the INT party afterwards. Man, that was a party!

    It would be a pleasure to meet you again in quieter circumstances. Talk about questions! I’d have about a million for you. And we know a lot of the same people in Australia, I’m sure.

  212. Hi Tom,
    Boy, these words have been fermenting for many years, and go down like the finest wine. Thank you, brother. And I remember that building and location with affection, and the crew we had there grew in to some real champions. Thanks for the memories, pal.

  213. Your questions say, you are not alone. So many people thought they were a messed up case or it only happens down here in my little world, I must have misunderstoods, I must be bad, wrong, etc.
    No, it is NOT YOU. Wrong Why.
    I love it!

  214. Mark, of course they will not answer these question. The cannot. Therefore, they skip the part of clarifying the facts in “How to Defeat Black PR” and go straight to the next. That is why they look like a five years old trying to justify why his pants are soiled.

    They do not get that the public does not buy their stupidity.

  215. Tory Christman

    Thanks, Ronn for Mark’s Blog. (And I guess he still isn’t talking to *me*, eh? LOL…it’s ok, it’s why I DO get pissed. Remember, I LIVED this kind of 3rd Party for many years before most peeps here were out. (Some may have been out, but not publicly speaking, using their own names, etc). I had attacks going **daily** for 8 years (Until Anonymous Arrived). They still have their BS lies up about me on RFW, and per Shref not even saying “hello”…I guess it (Or other Black PR/3rd party) worked.

    Just because I’m out of Scientology and not an Indie, doesn’t mean I forgot 30 years of training, darlin 🙂 And I respect people for whatever they believe, as long as they are not harming people. I’m tired of saying that to person after person, so I thought I’d just post it here. Trust me, I’ve said it many times…and some peeps now don’t like me, because of it. (Which is the SAME Shit C of $ does:::::DUH!!!)

    We grow stronger together, weaker apart. “United we stand…divided we fall”. There’s a reason that quote is still used! ((And note: To those who want Marty and Mike to cough up ALL the info: I agree, me too. Hopefully one day that shall happen. Until—Peace to you ALL and my Thanks to each person who helps expose this insidious, phony “church”..the CULT of $cientology.

  216. Reblogged this on My LRH.

  217. Great write up Shreff! While there could be plenty more, here are a couple more questions I would add to your expansive list:

    20. What happened to the TRs?
    21. What happened to OT?

    These two questions summarize the overall “gutting” of SCN – from bottom to top.

    Re TRs (at the bottom): To start, there is no longer an HAS (Hubbard Apprentice Scientologist) course. You know, that great course in the 60’s and 70’s that everybody did when they came in – that many went exterior on! And these incredible TRs, especially OT TRO and TRO, really made Scientologists! And we had a public boom like no other because of them!

    Now there is just the newly “gutted” HQS (Hubbard “Qualified” Scientologist) course. OT TRO has been replaced with a Meditating-like “be there,” that has no CONFRONT attached to it. (That’s right, since 1992 “confront” has actually been taken out of OT TRO! It is no longer “Be there and Confront,” but rather just “Be there”…). Now, one is supposed to just sort of meditate and BE there to a major stable win. Then after somebody has a “win” after 10 minutes or so (no time limit – and also how can one qual someone in just “being there?”). It’s like PC (politically correct) feel good TRs!

    From this inititial bastardization, they move onto TRO – Confront. And now this incredible TR is NOT done to a MSW (major stable win), but just for some hours. So now we get a “feel good” kinda TR flow where somebody can do a couple hours of skating through the most basic fundamentals in SCN – and then whew! – it’s onto TR1.

    Oops, did I miss something? What about TRO Bullbait. Nope, didn’t miss it – it was taken out too! There’s no bullbait on HQS!!! I shit you not!

    I could go on, but this minimally is why I call the bottom of the Bridge “gutted.”

    Re OT (at the top): There is much on the net about the EP of OT 8, missing processes, altered sequences, dropped out whole levels, as well as multiple forms of OT levels, and no further OT levels to come (for one source, see Marty’s book for more on that) and finally, too much/many sickness and deaths of OT themselves in the corporate SCN arena. No wonder it doesn’t truly produce OT.

    A final note on corporate OT. Miscavige can’t have OT, much less truth. If there was indeed a further OT line-up, he would screw it up so it wouldn’t/couldn’t work. Just like he’s been doing with Super Power: it probably wasn’t that it didn’t work all these years; it probably/actually worked too well! And lil Davey couldn’t have that – he’s just got to dumb things down (right to his level!).

    Clubbed seals can’t go OT anyway – it takes an OT to be one 🙂

  218. “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. or the one”

    Cringe. The heart of the 3rd dynamic engram, IMO. Who takes precedence, the individual or the group? I believe G. Edward Griffin answers it best:


    This is the second concept that divides collectivism from individualism. Collectivism is based on the belief that the group is more important than the individual. According to this view, the group is an entity of its own and it has rights of its own. Furthermore, those rights are more important than individual rights. Therefore, it is acceptable to sacrifice individuals
    if necessary for “the greater good of the greater number.” How many times have we heard that?

    Who can object to the loss of liberty if it is justified as necessary for the greater good of society? The ultimate group, of course, is the state. Therefore, the state is more important than individual citizens, and it is acceptable to sacrifice individuals, if necessary, for the benefit of the state. This concept is at the heart of all modern totalitarian systems built on the model of collectivism.

    Individualists on the other hand say, “Wait a minute. Group? What is group? That’s just a word. You can’t touch a group. You can’t see a group. All you can touch and see are individuals. The word group is an abstraction and doesn’t exist as a tangible reality. It’s like the abstraction called forest. Forest doesn’t exist. Only trees exist. Forest is the concept of many trees.

    Likewise, the word group merely describes the abstract concept of many individuals. Only individuals are real and, therefore, there is no such thing as group rights. Only individuals have rights.

    Just because there are many individuals in one group and only a few in another does not give a higher priority to the individuals in the larger group – even if you call it the state. A majority of voters do not have more rights than the minority. Rights are not derived from the power of numbers. They do not come from the group. They are intrinsic with each human being.

    When someone argues that individuals must be sacrificed for the greater good of society, what they really are saying is that some individuals will be sacrificed for the greater good of other individuals. The morality of collectivism is based on numbers. Anything may be done so long as the number of people benefiting supposedly is greater than the number of people being sacrificed. I say supposedly because, in the real world, those who decide who is to be sacrificed don’t count fairly.

    Dictators always claim they represent the greater good of the greater number but, in reality, they and their support organizations usually comprise less than one percent of the population. The theory is that someone has to speak for the masses and represent their best interest, because they are too dumb to figure it out for themselves. So collectivist leaders, wise and virtuous as they are, make the decisions for them. In this way, it is possible to explain any atrocity or injustice as a necessary measure for the greater good of society.”

    Extract from

  219. Hi Theo, I enjoyed your observations.

    There is a hue and cry about “handling things from within,” but handlings always require a comm cycle and when these get stuck on a one way flow, sometimes it requires a POP to break the circuits and get the flows going again. That’s my limited experience, anyway.

    I think, too, there is a bit of a sur fac war going on wherein people get more in to making themselves right and the opponent wrong than they do making progress towards any useful result. This is the lack of a real Qual.

    For this reason I think anything that snaps us in to PT is probably a justifiable therapy. I think I’ll make myself a tee shirt with “SNAP OUT OF IT!!” written on the back. And I think there should be more importance on the track than on the train. – which is to say more value on the accuracy and standadrdness of the steps to OT than on the vessel that gets us there.

    The history of this evolution we are experiencing will be fascinating to see, and I’ll bet dimes to donuts we’ll find a reference that Ron wrote fifty years ago that precisely nails it!

    I think we as a group will arrive, eventually, at a gooey center that does not take itself so serious but in a very casual manner and with highest ARC ruthlessly adheres to KSW.

    Focus will be on local delivery and independant control that is monitored by sane and trained Qual personnel who will provide correction services to the associated groups and who are known for their ability to GRANT BEINGNESS.

    Jees, this sounds like something more out of HG Wells than LRH!

    I’m interested to hear your return on this.


  220. Li'll bit of stuff

    Great ack, Shreff, and yes, had a quick squizz at your
    blog…… looks like we are in for some interesting pics
    of the locals, and of course, good ol’ Hout Bay!
    Really looking forward to see-ing all the rubber balls,
    (the OSA’bot variety!), as they come bouncing back,
    after harmlessly deflecting off the as-is’ing Shreff
    hide!! …pshtock! boing,boing,boing! Pssht! (sorry,
    THAT dud actually punctured!) Pshooo.. that, missed!
    boing! boing! boing! ….Hey, these are fun, Shreff!!
    Can we lob a few back from whence they came??
    You can bet, though, our aim will be a little better,
    after all, …….it IS,….when one is fully in PT, hey??

  221. Hello Theo,
    As good reality is a common wavelength, you and I have it in spades.

  222. “The only thing Scientological about the RCS is that they own the name Scientology. That’s it; there’s nothing else.”

    ROTFLMAO. Right on!, Pat.

  223. “Their training includes simple or basic LRH Ethics courses but then outside that they get “special training” direct from RTC staff which revolves a lot around pushing people around and intimidating people and how to punish effectively. With all the “special” training, they do become good at it. RTC musters them up after hours and makes them endure cruel punishments, and then makes them cruelly punish others as part of their “training”.”

    I’m very sickened by this. Isn’t the MAA there to gently assist one get their own ethics in on themselves? This “special” training helps MAA’s do this, how?

  224. Thank you, Ulf.
    As unsettling as your description of MAA training is, I found it aligns well with my own observations working with HCO at FSO. There were certain MAAs they would not think of putting me with because I was considered “volatile.” Slavka has an excellent comm cycle and a wonderful beingness, but a narrow “band width,” if you catch my meaning. The degree of her naivte was unsettling because I always knew that to get my questions addressed I would have to see someone far more senior. It s like her tool box was limited.

    One SO exec from another country, an old acquaintance of mine, remarked that my questions were “above the pay grade” of the crew at FSO, But their product is finishing people on 7 and how can you do that if you have these questions unanswered?

    It was all puzzling for me until I realized, that it was not their intention to handle me, it was their intention to CONTAIN me. That’s when I realized the game was over and that I would never see the top of the Bridge at FSO.

    OT is not about containment. I don’t know what it is about, but for me it is NOT about containment. It has something to do, however, with a blemish-free code of honor and with an infinite TR0.

    That should put me in the ballpark, anyway.

    Thanks for your thoughts, Ulf.


  225. E.J. Croughs

    It’s not making me popular here but I think that in the end the lawyers behind CST will throw Davey under the bus and replace him with another puppet and continue the scam while blaming Davey for all the bad PR. Davey is being exposed in international media for over 3 years but they don’t even flinch and no crime gets investigated. I think we need more truth and try and find out which psych treated Davey in 1980 when he was hospitalized, how he got his life changing “cognition” of “power is assumed” from asthma treatment, which amphetamines he was given for it, etc. You know the good old stuff any data evaluator used to engage in. We might be able to get to the bottom and expose the illegal and secret takeover of the Church and the small group of people behind it. We know for a fact that the weapons of brainwashing, corporate takeover, black mail, extortion, etc, were all heavily wielded by the few real enemies of Scientology (and the world). Those things used to get exposed by freedum frequently but they are too busy nowadays and as long as the 3D engram impinges on the group, dissemination will be hampered.

  226. When I was public at the Celebrity Center in LA in 1999, that was the time I was newly discovering the alterations and deletions of the “L. Ron Hubbard Library” versions of the books versus the “By L. Ron Hubbard” versions, both of which I had copies.

    After I wrote up my Knowledge Report of the 9 entirely deleted chapters of “Scientology: A New Slant On Life” out of the new version, I ran this by to an old veteran “safe” terminal I knew at CC, and showed and told him about my new discoveries. He told me, “Wayne, don’t report this! You will bring a hell down upon you from RTC.” He scared the hell out me. He was scared for me, too. So I didn’t. I thought I’d be able to handle this “oversight” from within. It was then, I knew I was in a suppressive regime. Shortly thereafter, I quietly left the “church” after finishing KTL with my girlfriend.

    But then I made it a mission of mine to through and compare all the “by L. Ron Hubbard” book versions, to the “L. Ron Hubbard Library” versions, and posted my findings of RTC squirreling on the Alt-Religion-Scientology (ARS) and Alt-Clearing-Technology (ACT) newsgroups.

    I wonder how many times this discouragement of Public writing up Knowledge Reports and sending them up the lines, comes from corporate Staff? Are there GI stats there to be protected for the Org, and there’s fear yet another Student will be taken off course due to an “ethics” cycle caused from a questioning Knowledge Report who’s questions are unsafe?

    (Perhaps now you know why I favored the alias of “Safe”. :))

  227. Dizzy Mizz Lizzy

    David also needs to know that there are lots of people within the chuch, worldwide, who are starting to wake up and are communicating with each other behind the church´s back. They just haven´t verbalized it in public yet. So, as Steve Hall says: “There´s more to come!”

  228. I truly empathize and understand the extreme level of betrayal you’re likely going through right now. I’m so sorry. Everybody here has experienced this, too, I’m sure. IMO, this venue here is a fantastic way to heal. I consider it one giant group auditing session. I think you’ll find the same.

    I can hardly wait for your doubt formula, if you want to post it here. Welcome to the group of individuals here I consider the real Scientologists, who are now free and independent! 🙂

  229. “I have wondered why our entire LRH library has not been downloaded to an iPAD, as I read everything anymore in a digital format and with today’s state-of-the-art there is plenty . of room.”

    Hi Mark. It does exist in digital form, all of LRH’s non-squirreled “By L. Ron Hubbard” versions. It was produced by the anonymous people in the freezone, and it’s in a zipped 3.4 gigabyte file which you can find here:

    Thank you for such a powerfully indicating write-up which I know the “church” will be non-responsive because there’s nothing they can say to justify the out-points you so very clearly pointed out using the Socrates method. VWD!

  230. Wow! What a fascinating pull-no-punches statement! No concern about being politically correct, here! lol. I appreciate that. And I appreciate you were allowed to say what you know and feel, here. 🙂

  231. Charlie Sweeny

    Excellent list of questions, Mark! Yeah, I saw the writing-on-the-wall in 1995…after I comp’d my Class IV Academy training at SFO…and split then when Debbie Hurtado and Janet Meinsma were attempting to reg me for the ‘Auditor Update Service’ (read: precursor to GAT). VWD on achieving Escape Velocity! Still remember you from when we worked together at SF Msn on
    Sutter. 🙂

  232. Thanks for your interesting reply. Especially the quote “sheer policy is poor stuff”, in this context, says it all. A datum where a being should be. Indeed!
    Live Orgs? In my opinion orgs are now ‘dead’. No more free theta around, just dead data. The free theta is now outside the orgs.

  233. Safe: if very normal things are revolutionary, like thinking for yourself, having your own opinion, it means these things have become dangerous, which means that the suppression is very heavy indeed and that revolution is necessary.

  234. Perfect — yes, that’s the url. Look forward to meeting again.

  235. Hey Shreff,

    Fancy meeting you here! LOL! Lisa & I had actually both comped the BC but it’s true about the “divorce rumors”. We have multiple sources who reported back to us (and would gladly sign affidavits) this had been told to them. Our old friend and top FSM, Steve Besio, was one of those spreading the rumor. When I found out about these rumors I sent an e-mail to the Justice Chief FLB that I was aware of the rumors and I knew who was originating them (an MAA). I made it clear that if I received one more report I’d take legal action. The rumors ceased. We also had one of our former regges, Steve Poore, calling clients attempting to rip them off. I documented this activity with the clients who were contacted. I again warned the Church through the Justice Chief FLB to knock it off. No more clients were contacted.

    I’m not sure if I ever told you that I have the audio to my Comm Ev. I have never actually listened to it until the other day. It’s pretty interesting as it documents the Church’s willingness, almost eagerness, to destroy a family over the most flimsy of “evidence”. As an example, when you hear me reading the Bill of Particulars, one of the charges is that I spread “malicious rumors” to two Sea Org members. I ask the Chairman if this refers to my two own children! The Chairman acknowledges that, yes, it is referring to my children. Later on we hear me testify that I spread these “malicious rumors” to my children only after months of them asking me to discuss with them why I wasn’t on service anymore. The other Sea Org members I “spread” rumors to were OSA & the MAA. LOL! That I mention there were literally hundreds of Scientology friends I never said a word to seemed to fall on deaf ears with the Committee. Anyway it’s an amazing piece of evidence of how the Church has no problem destroying a family and how it tries use the “Justice” system, not as an actual tool to gather facts, but as a tool of coercion.

  236. Hi Mark,
    I’m more of a fry fisherman LOL

    Makes sense that you’d reserve your blog for answers and solutions. There’s been so much attention put on the problems with the church already. Yes, we all have to take responsibility for whatever part we played in the collapse of the church, but at the same time, we have to move forward and begin building the new model that will replace it.

    I’m afraid I don’t get out as far west as New Mexico these days. I’d like to, though. I was just watching a program about that state. Got some beautiful country there.

  237. Sally J,
    Thank you for your email this morning!! I’m saying it again here, just in case I didn’t get it across in my answer to you.


  238. Shreff,

    I’ve figured out a way to get this comm of yours to the MAA into the hands of some our mutual best friends who are themselves big time OLs. It’s time we rescued a few of our old buddies, don’t ya think?

  239. Joe Pendleton

    Mark, your comment on infinite TR0 very much indicates to me. Maybe not as an absolute about OT, but as nearly as can be attained and always progressively steadily approached. i think that potential of infinite TR0 would include the ability to confront anything, the ability to deal with anything, the sense of one’s own beingness AS a being with one’s own viewpoint and the right to it. Also of course a confidence in one’s ability to postulate life. And a great amount of ARC and caring for other beings. That’s why I am so disappointed in folks like Heber, Yager, Leserve, etc. It’s not because I’m such a sterling or in ethics being or better than they are, because I’m not. It’s because I want to attain the above beingness and I thought I would (and I joined staff 42 years ago) and this whole inability to even recognize someone like Miscavige, much less confront or handle him and what has happened to the church has been a huge and bitter disappointment to me as a Scientologist about what training and processing really means. But I think there is a future for the goals I have stated and a lot of the hope for that is due to the inspiration and work of people like you and Marty. Keep up the good work and the communication. What you do and say and your ARC is greatly appreciated by many.

  240. Hey Safe,
    thanks for the torrent.
    Just downloading the whole package.

    (Miscavige, can you have Scientology?)

  241. Hey Mark – your post landed on the blog, on the same day and with the same precision as Curiosity’s landing on Mars. You and Curiosity will kick up some dust for sure, but I think Mars will yield its secrets long before the RCS will. It is a truly valid exercise, though, to blow the charge and move on up. You have so much heart Mark. Its a very, very cool thing about you!

  242. Hi Statpush or SP for short (i just had to haha)
    Very good points and very well done on your first post.
    I think you will find at some point an obligation, if you will, to assist in the exposure of this dangerous cult.
    Daily I see my friends who are so completely PTS to the CofS. They are living in fear.
    Welcome to the light! Now consider please continueing to shine it on what’s going on 😉

  243. I had to laugh when I was presented with the Mike ‘n Marty DA pack at the AO, they had about 6 or 8 actual stat graphs in the pack. This was to “prove” that the org was expanding like mad. But all of the numbers had been removed!! I just smiled to myself, knowing exactly where they stood on the subject of truth.

  244. Mark
    Wow! Just WOW! You know I read this originally yesterday right after it went up. I went back and reread it again today. I have no comment that has not been posted already.
    I just want to tell you this:
    Your courage and persistence regarding this gives me a huge amount of admiration for you. It makes me even more proud to be part of this Group with guys like you Mike, Marty and the many others.

    PRICE OF FREEDOM, constant alertness, constant willingness to fight back.
    There is no other price. (AHMC-1, 6012C31)

  245. Mike I goofed on my name. Please take the y out. Should be freeatlast.
    Give me a call sometime, Lets get together

  246. tessa,
    The potential for life remains anywhere, since life can view from “anyplace”. There is another datum, from a policy called OT Orgs, 14 Jan 69:
    A stuck picture or a motionless org are similar. Each has behind it a failed
    That law (it comes out of OT VIII materials) is so powerful it would practically revive the dead!
    It applies to orgs.
    It applies to cities or nations.

  247. I’m sorry. Would a round of golf on me make up the damage? 🙂

  248. It was you Ingrid! Oops, too late!

  249. Dan, my questions have been logged with OSA UK for 3 years. I have been to St Hill to ask further questions, I have made myself more available to those still “in” than anyone else in the UK with the possible exception of Sam. My only motivation, as anyone who knows me will verify, is precisely to help my friends still in snap out of the hypnotic state. Your tone is ill informed and inappropriate, and btw, I don’t consider recommending that people get Ls auditing over Skype as a valid way of “putting a comm line in”. It’s squirrelling plain and simple.

  250. newcomer,
    I’ll take full responsibility for this. I jumped on the first comment for the express purpose of nixing DM’s denial of the facts. It had nothing to do with the poster. Just the falsity of the denial by Dave as expressed in the initial question posted.

    A bit of a baptism of fire for the poster. Of course, in keeping with an everchanging persona, which is fun as hell moving about in Mood Drills and identities, I’ll keep a wary eyebone on things, based on my fears of…

    OK, ran out of fears, but there is some good reason I can mock up for whatever it is I need to, I’m sure.

  251. Roger from Switzerland Thought

    and OTTR0 for example in the VM Hanbook doesn’t exist anymore it’s now called TR0 with closed eyes. No OT anymore just a body that closes it’s eyes and tries to be there ?????.

  252. Damn!! That is pretty friggin accurate.

  253. Alex Castillo

    Mr Shreff,
    Well done for maintaining your integrity and speaking out loud and clear!!
    People like you are the people who REALLY helped Scientology become part of mainstream society in the old days before the Church of Crapology.
    Take a bow!
    I am an old timer (1968-1981) fully trained and practiced in OEC, FEBC, DSEC, HEJSC and I truly know what I am talking about. In my days as a Flag Evaluator, when we had Scientology booming around the world with hardly any bad press, I knew or met many people like you. What we used to call the Field, from the point of view of us Flag Org Managers/ evaluators, was what was making Scientology accepted by people from all walks of life, an acceptance that was utterly destroyed by Mr David Miscavige, beginning in 1980-81.

    In my opinion, these poor deluded people who have been appointed to be Ethics Officers/MAA’s have absofuckinglutely NO IDEA of what Ethics means, never mind what ethical behaviour is. If they did, they would promptly walk away and join the people who do know.

    But the most shocking thing to me is to see the OTHER poor souls (many of them fairly intelligent people who put themselves in the hands of these deluded (and not so intelligent) people) to get their “ethics” “handled” by these ignorant, mostly illiterate individuals who should really be called David Miscavige Law Enforcement Officers. Not MAA’s or Ethics Officers but DMLEO’s.

    Once again, well done for your action and I hope many of your friends will follow.


  254. Excellent comment Mark.
    I realized this too while on OT7. I thought being cause over life included being cause over my church.
    So in my attempt to be at cause over my church and realizing that they wanted me to be an effect, I resigned and then got at cause over my church and cause over my life too!

  255. Safe,
    Just took a quick look at your site. Are these books comparisons available there?

  256. Shreff, I don’t know that “we are spending too much time on all this crazy shit”. For me, the accumulated unaddressed outpoints over the years were driving me nuts because there were no answers to be had, and the ones I did have were mostly lies. Little by little the information and viewpoints I have read here have clarified things for me. That has been most valuable, and my favorite thing to do when having my morning coffee (and when I take a break from work, and…….) is to check in at Marty’s blog.

    That said, I am also seeing the future taking shape here, and and failed purposes being rekindled. It looks to me like we have the beginnings of something like the very successful mission network of the 70s being built. I’m sure that there are many of us who are reorganizing our lives to be part of this future. In the meantime, Marty’s blog gives us a chance to find out “whatever happened to Shreffie” and lots of other people who each have their own stories to tell.

  257. Mark,
    You’re a Rock Star! 🙂

  258. Wayne,

    “New Slant on Life” was changed several times through the 60s and 70s. It has always been a collection of LRH essays that were meant to be pertinent to the times. So that’s ONE book I personally don’t mind seeing change over the years (I have several printings in my own collection starting with the first 1965 edition).

    On the other hand, a location which has ALL of the changes in the books and lectures over the years, especially after 1986, would be a very useful resource I think.

  259. Thanks Mark,

    There were several ex-MAAs on the RPF and each one was personable and factually quite intelligent, but, as you said, had a very “limited bandwidth.”

    Your old SO exec friend was right. Sadly however, you would probably get more answers out of your MAA than anyone at Int/OSA.

    I had a similar turning point when I decided to leave, but it wasn’t exactly containment, which I do fully understand in your case. For me it was realizing that I had to be and think a certain way to “succeed” within the Sea Org/Church. I joined the SO and Scientology for that matter mainly because of the tenets about self-determinism and thinking more freely and all demonstrable factors, real ones, were going in the opposite direction.

    People were trying to tell me that I was deluded but that is hard to convince someone who just thousands of hours of FPRD and TRD. No I had seen truth and that wasn’t acceptable so I left.

    I am not OT, but I do believe that a being cannot be stronger than the ultimate Code of Honor, so your own description rings very true. If one naturally and inherently applies the Code of Honor, one is power, in all positive aspects of that word!

  260. Li'll bit of stuff

    Thanks for sharing some of your personal travails, and also interesting to hear how you took it upon yourself to do some immense work in the book comparisons, too!
    The postings you did should prove invaluable, in time
    to come, when the religion thief & corrupter is finally
    brought to reckoning, which can’t be too far off now.

  261. ¤ Source:
    • Gender: Feminine. Usage: Slovene, Croatian. Meaning & History: Feminine form of Slavko
    • Gender: Masculine. Usage: Croatian, Serbian, Slovene, Medieval Slavic

  262. HOLY SMOKES — Leona and Mike were/are dear friends of mine. Until I left in 1993 and until the time when SO were not allowed to “hang out” with non-SO – Mike and Leona would spend leave time or weekends with my ex and I. We treated them to a weekend at The Ritz Carlton Laguna Nigel.

    I’m heartbroken about Mike. Do you have a way to contact him or where he might have gone? Miami?

    ON the positive side — I learned that Cheryl Liccardi Ronhaar has NOT passed away but is ACTIVELY the ARCx auditor in the CW area and might travel elsewhere.

    She’s still obviously IN but at least she’s NOT DEAD.

    BTW – your write up is wonderful. Glad that you managed to step back enough to really really see how unfixable the current scene is FROM inside the bubble.

    NOW — if Al Ribisi could just please please do the same. He was my first senior and as a result my memories are long and fond.


  263. RFST, I never saw that. Wow. They couldn’t take it out of the bulletins (way too much LRH!), but I guess they found a way to strip it out otherwise. So now the score becomes “Meat body 1, OT zero.” Sickening…

  264. Roy MacGregor,
    You’ll get a better understanding of how “more or less decent people act in a cruel and out-of-valence way” reading Dr. Philip G. Zimbardo.
    Stanford Prison Experiment:
    Book: The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil:

  265. +1
    Thanks for saying that, Dan.

  266. And yet a further fact about how diabolical the usurpation of the tech has become, LRH amended in ’78 the original TR bulletin
    (Training Drills remodernized from ’71). He said that this change was to replace all issues in all packs and checksheets. Further he stated, “THESE TRS ARE DONE EXACTLY PER THIS HCOB WITHOUT ACTIONS OR CHANGE.” Yet in ’92, the following bastardized heading found its way onto this very bulletin:

    “Reissued 7 July 1992 to correct the purpose and training stress of OT TR-O. When the bulletin was reissued earlier, OT TR-O should have been corrected per LRH data to clarify that on the drill the student is to simply “be there,” not “be there and confront.” This correction was erroneously missed and is being rectified now.”

    What LRH data (hidden data line)? Who authorized this change (and didn’t have the balls to say it either!)? All in total violation of something that, per LRH, was never to change again!

    And to make matters worse, the HCOB (joke) referred above (should probably be called “MCOB”) has virtually disappeared from all courses etc., replaced by the “original” (LOL) it formally replaced (revised 5 July 1978), with no disclaimer as above, and “confront” totally taken out of OT TR O!

    In other words, the corporate alterisers are now reissuing altered bulletins (and I imagine much much more), as the LRH “originals” with no reference at all to their alterising!

    Boogles the mind!

    It would be great if, somehow, somewhere and sometime, a full comparison summary could be made available on the net of exactly just what and how this criminal has perverted SCN piece by piece, tech by tech, issue by issue, so as to make it unworkable! Friends of LRH was a good start. But Corporate bastardization has gone way further now!

  267. I don’t get your point here.
    Slavka comes from slavic: “slava” => fame, glory.
    This feminine form is very common in the Balkan area (Bulgaria, and former Yugoslavia).

  268. The “Stanford Prison Experiment” and it’s findings are *not Science* as Dr. Zimbardo’s paper was completely destroyed during the Peer Review process with multiple fundamental flaws being cited – the chiefest of which was this: Dr. Zimbardo directly intervened in the “experiment” to influence the “guard” roleplayers to behave as he expected of them – instead of remaining a neutral observer and just documenting what took place.

    This “experiment” has never been repeated by any qualified researchers for verification of the results, either. All the “Stanford Prison Experiment” *really* proved is that a college instructor can get a bunch of desperate students (paid research “volunteers”) to do pretty much what he wants them to for money.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist

  269. SKM,

    Here is another torrent and how to index the torrent’s files:
    A Source Information Retrieval system for every Independent Scientologist:
    Revisions to the Freezone Library of LRH materials for your Source Information Retrieval system:

    Another free LRH’s library: True Source Scientology Foundation:

  270. Hey freelatlasyt,
    Thanks. At the moment I am unable (actually unwilling) to publicly declare my independence. If it were just me I would not have a problem with it; however, the ramifications on friends and family is what is keeping me from playing that card. They would experience far worse than I.
    So, I see it as a process, for myself and those around me. People close to me know where I stand with regards to corporate Scn. I am not shy to express my opinions and observations.
    And the org knows where I stand. I have made it clear that I have withdrawn my support. In response they have investigated me, threatened me, third-partied me, sought to disrupt my family, you know…the Standard Ethics tools. Why they haven’t declared me, I don’t know. I guess they’re off their game.
    In the meantime, I will continue to take things on a gradient, posting on this blog is a big step for me. I see this too as a process, a third dynamic one. And if I can in some way contribute to that, then that is good. I personally have received much benefit from reading this blog over the past two years, so time to give back.

  271. SKM,
    Also, a free collection of 1056 LRH lectures 1950-60:

  272. Are the current OCA’s not an LRH approved item? I worked in Div 6 for a while and I always had trouble with the OCA’s- with new people you are suposed to read this scripted evaluation. I mean, it helped a couple times, but mostly it upset people and seemed weird. I thought I was doing it wrong or something. A new guy comes in, takes the OCA and then you are supposed to sit down in front of him and say “You are cold blooded and heartless, etc” . Most people have a couple low points on the test so it ca get pretty brutal. I found people arent keen on that much “impingement” when they first walk in. The way the script was worded seemed to invalidative to me.

  273. martyrathbun09

    Regardless, it sheds a lot of light upon the upper levels of the Scientology Inc Hierarchy.

  274. SKM,
    My point is that Slavka is not Hungarian.

  275. Tory Christman

    :::Wooooohoooo::: Thanks, Shreffy! See? Simple communication *does* work. Yes, we do need to talk. Give me a call when ever you have time (I hate to type!) (818) 588-3044 Love ya and am SOOOO happy you are OUT! Tory/Magoo PS: Remember your BIG plan you had many years ago? Now you can do it 🙂 You spotted THE stop. (Davey boy and his gang of fools).

  276. That’s a great bunch of in your face questions for any RCS terminal. I dare say any one of them would blow a gasket in the first two sentences. Their ability to confront what is actually in front of them is pretty sad.
    I got out in the mid nineties, their weird alteration of the tech line up (squirrel co-audits and intro services) even before GAT pretty much emptied my academy. It was the strangest gut wrenching sensation seeing all the glitz & glamor poured around in that group, yet no products. It takes a lot of sweat to make an auditor, especially in Qual.
    My only question to the Church is and always will be – where are the auditors? Buildings, money, promises & robots don’t audit.

  277. WOW, thank you for posting that link to section 2. I can’t tell you how much charge blew reading it. NOW I understand how in my 14 years in Scn, all on staff in a Mission, it seemed like no one ever got auditing, especially not me. and not many people were coming off the lines at the local Orgs as Auditors. It is so sad, as LRH had it all taped. Most of the auditing I did receive was from a Class VIII who had been trained back in the 70’s, and it was wonderful. If we had a zillion more like him, trained per LRH and not all the squirrel tech introduced by DM, we’d have tons of auditors, Clears and OT’s, and the reasons I got into Scn in the first place would most be realized by now! I am grateful for the Independents, and hope someday, somehow, things will be different.
    No matter how much I suffered all those years, I still know the actual LRH tech works. I just wish it was still used.

  278. Hehe, I smell a happy reunion coming on between Shreff and Tory. I might even get a little misty-eyed. 🙂


    P.S. How does one get an invite to read your blog? Or would be prefer to keep it reserved for those whom you know personally? No problem if that is the case.

  279. Hi Marsha! Just wanted to say HI 🙂 It’s Kelly from Clearwater Mission, out since 08. Hope you and Steve and all the kids are doing great. Miss all the people I don’t see any more out here. But I’m doing so much better now!!!

  280. I can’t imagine there being another Mike & Leona Fine. If it’s the same I met them in Miami in the early 1990s. He was the WISE Charter Committee. She’s Italian. They had 2 sons. They were both OT 8. I only had a few brief encounters, but ran into them at Flag in 1993 or so when Leona was having a handling for cancer. I believe I heard she had been to the ship. I later learned she didn’t make it and much later that Mike also had a similar fate. While I’m not 100% certain on this, I know they haven’t been around Miami for years. The very last thing I heard was that the 2 sons were quite antagonistic.

  281. Common sense Mark! You gotta know when to fold ’em.

  282. Pat and Safe, could not have said it better myself!

  283. I’ve been corrected, wrong Mike & Leona Fine.

  284. I totally agree. The church is full of good beings that are kept in a perpetual state of “emergency trance” and false reality. The Sea Org members cannot for themselves go explore the Internet and reality outside of the false PR. As I realized a while back, the thing to do is to rise up above all that and channel love and understanding to those you still care about in the church or not… and sooner or later the situation will change. The lies cannot persist forever.

  285. I’m glad you have the 1965 edition. It includes the vital chapters on Freedom and Communication. As you can check yourself, the following chapters of New Slant On Life are missing from the 1988/1990 “L. Ron Hubbard Library” version produced after LRH’s death.

    1. The Reason Why
    2. The Conditions of Existence
    3. Myths of the Mind
    4. The Man Who Succeeds
    5. On Death of the Consciousness
    6. Accent on Ability
    7. Freedom vs Entrapment
    8. The Human Mind
    9. Communication

    For me, it’s intolerable and unacceptable to make any changes to LRH works which were done after his passing. It clearly couldn’t have been authorized. (Of course, David Miscavige could claim that the spirit of the man labeled LRH was talking to him telling him to delete these important chapters, or perhaps those damn SP stenographers “forgot” to include these 9 vital chapters in the “L. Ron Hubbard Library” version.)

    What’s also intolerable to me is for changes to be made without Scientologists being notified of those specific changes, WHY they were made, and source and proof of authorization to make those changes.

    IMO, it is being “reasonable” to think this is OK to do. Clearly, it’s out-KSW.

    Unless corporate Scientologists minds have been too nullified and dumbed down, knowing that alteration and deletion of LRH’s works has been done, alone, should be enough to wake up corporate Scientologists enough to really look as to what is really going on. IMO, not enough emphasis has been done with this.

  286. Thanks for that Jim. I’ll be bugging out and leave the comm in your well trained hands.

    And I have no problems with an apology to Sally J. as the situation warrants! It of course would not be the only time I have fired a salvo and then checked to see what was being shot.

  287. statpush, it is interesting to consider where the organization is on the tone scale. Here is what indicated to me from Handbook for Preclears, page 81: “After you have associated with a person who won’t let you talk, won’t agree with you, won’t let you feel as you want to feel, what is your reaction? Where is this person on the Tone Scale? This is an inhibited ARC person, or BELOW 1.0. This person is afraid or apathetic. This person has endocrine ills. This person lies. This person hides things. This person is physically and mentally maladjusted.” [capitalization added]

    A few years ago when I was on lines I definitely have met beings that operated well above 1.0, but it seems that the overall ARC started to fall very rapidly as the Ideal Org program unfolded, and I definitely ended up on the receiving end of the above paragraph. I also was shocked, but not surprised to see so many Sea Org members going to alternative medicine doctors as I started doing myself. Some terminals that I remembered glowing with theta at the onset of the Ideal Org program looked drained out and bleak years later. The last time I went to ASHO a few months ago, it had a beingness of a hospital or some gloomy place like that. It no longer had a sense of warmth and homeliness that I could still experience even a few years ago. This is quite something. There may have been more MEST, but there’s definitely been less and less theta.

  288. Dear Mike Hobson,

    Thank you for your comments.

    Thanks to your post, upon reading my post, I realized I could have been more polite (I’ll remember next time I post) and write something like “Nice cognition! I think you may expand your understanding …” instead of “You’ll get a better understanding …”.

    I would like to clarify some points.

    ¤ Roy MacGregor had a nice cognition about Co$, and I wanted to help him to improve his cognition. I gave him some references so he could analyze them by himself.
    I think it would had been more appropriate if you just showed the related links so anybody could read them and put Dr. Zimbardo’s findings in the appropriate perspective.

    > “Dr. Zimbardo directly intervened in the “experiment” to influence the “guard” roleplayers.
    The same happens in Co$ where the upper level is influencing the lower levels. So, I think this is a good reference.

    > “Dr. Zimbardo directly intervened in the “experiment” to influence the “guard” roleplayers to behave as he expected of them”
    Even though Dr. Zimbardo intervened, and had influence, I did not see that he had such a strong influence on the results.

    > “This “experiment” has never been repeated by any qualified researchers for verification of the results”
    Related experiments have been done with similar results. E.g.: telling people to give increasingly bigger electric shocks to experimental subjects (of course the shocks were not real, but the people giving them did not know it).

    > ”All the “Stanford Prison Experiment” *really* proved is that a college instructor can get a bunch of desperate students (paid research “volunteers”) to do pretty much what he wants them to for money.”
    Would you please clarify how you get this deduction? Paid research “volunteers” = Bunch of desperate students.

  289. Michael, “Miscavige should be forced to resign”. Okay by who his “body guards”?

  290. I’m trying to recover my past work doing this. I have on 9 missing chapters on NSOL, the Introduction to Scientology Ethics, and the 3 missing Study Tapes. You can find out about it here:

    Realize in 1999, corporate Scientology went after my real name behind my alias of “Safe” after I wrote an article called something like “The 274 errors, misdemeanors, crimes, and high crimes against the Church of Scientology”, and then I listed them right out of the squirreled L. Ron Hubbard Library ethics book.

    So corporate Scientology fraudulently obtained a subpoena to force AT&T to reveal my real name so they could shut me up with a threat of a lawsuit. They falsely claimed I was infringing on their copyrights.

    This abuse by the “church” and even AT&T made the news. You can read my story here;

    Corporate Scientology’s ruthless fear tactics worked. I realized how the Church of Scientology hammers on one so hard BEFORE one even has time to appropriately respond.

    “Dan Leipold, an attorney who was advising Safe, said that AT&T had not given him reasonable time to respond to the subpoena while still protecting Safe’s identity.

    “AT&T didn’t seem too enthusiastic to file objections or to stall this for even a couple of days,” Leipold said. “If I had two weeks to deal with this I could have gotten everything done nicely.””

    Their evil scared the hell out of me so much, I completely stopped voicing my opinions for the next 11 years. Until recently.

    Thanks to Marty, I feel much safer speaking out again. Marty has done MUCH to help create a safer environment for all NAMED and IDENTIFIED people to voice their opinions without feeling fear in doing so.

    Marty, I can’t thank you enough for this. Thank you!

  291. A radical question?

    Ive been following this blog with great interest since the Debbe Cook stuff kicked off at the start of the year and have developed a real resect and affection for many of the folks who post here.

    From that base, I would like to pose a perhaps radical question – but one that has been recurring in my mind for a few weeks:

    What if all you great, talented folks who have left CoS, REALLY left it – and devoted all your energies to creating the new better world that you want, refusing to be drawn back into the dysfunctional mental and emotional quicksand that you have left?

    I’d really welcome your thoughts

  292. True, Slavka is not common in Hungary.
    And now?

  293. Thanks Safe. I’ll be delving in to all this!

  294. I’ve got my lines baited and in the water. Waiting to see if I get a nibble or two or three…

  295. When we do put our attention back on the church, it is because of our love and compassion for those still under David Miscavige’s influence. Our leaving the church did not diminish our love for our fellow staff, veteran Sea Org crew members, and friends and family still in. Although we ourselves are now safe, it would be like leaving our dying on the battlefield. I woke up, and do not despair of others doing the same – with our help.

  296. Thanks for the links.

    There is still lots of work to be done and to make the Source Materials available and better searchable.
    It is still a labyrinth sometimes.

    Some PDF files are not searchable (Scientology Journals, Ability Mag et al).
    I have seen some leaked materials from Anonymous which were searchable (and selectable) scans compiled as PDFs.
    Despite the ambiguous objectives, they did some good job.

  297. Hi Shreff, Great post. You know, my own theory about how it all went south is something like this: Perhaps it was some event, like the 1963 FDA raid on the Church, that caused LRH to “bypass habits and normal routines” or even abandon handling the external scene the same way we would handle a pc in session: using the Scientology principles inherent in the Auditor’s Code. And then the Danger Condition was never ended and normal routines never put back into place.

    As I think about it, what was it that really made Scientology great but the greatness inherent in the Auditor’s Code? What a concept! The pc could say or do anything and elicit no reaction from the auditor, but standard TRs.

    It brings one back to the original confusion — can a group defend itself from attacks and yet maintain that code?

    Once they got into a rut of dirty tricks (evil intentions) toward attackers, they piled up overts until eventually DM stepped in and staff went from being PTS to SP by adopting DM’s valence.

    In short, my general theory is that the Church went PTS, then eventually SP. There is really no reason on earth why the organization had to be a cult. But it sure is today.

    It’s like the prior confusion the Church faced was “how to stop attacks.” The stable datum (policy) it adopted was to use dark tactics against them and bingo — the Church rapidly became suppressive themselves. An interesting area for exploration might be can anyone use what might be called such “dark arts” (for lack of a better name) without becoming suppressive themselves? I think this is something we as a group really need to explore.

  298. Li'll bit of stuff

    SP, Just a really superb done so far, in your”giving back”
    and certain that you will so continue. Two years is quite a
    long time to be under “the radar,” blogwise, and your
    circumstances must be damn frustrating for you,not being
    able to step out! In a similar, but not as severe situation as
    you, I had endured it for a mere 7 months, before was in a
    position dump the heavy mask! I feel for you and your family,
    knowing the terrorist mindset of the sick little mindgames,
    madmidget and his osa’bots are obsessed with playing.
    The GOOD news, is that their capacity to inflict actual harm,
    is being reigned in, as we speak! Soon, there will be no
    more personnel left, to serve the li’ll dictator any longer!
    Hang in buddy, it will all be over, shortly, and then you can
    ALL sing again!

  299. Thanks Mark,

    Yes, I agree. That’s why I don’t even bother engaging the church anymore. To me, the entire key to clearing the planet is to get enough people up and out the top (Training and Processing) so that their spheres of influence overlap. At that point, the Fourth Dynamic Engram can be audited out.

  300. My server is now under a very heavy DDoS attack. So for now, you won’t be able to access my site. It’s down. Tech is on it now to figure out where this is coming from.

  301. You’re welcome. It’s my joy, Calvin.

  302. Beautifully stated and ‘exactly’ Michelle.


  303. Athena8, I very much support your concern for those still organisationally ‘enslaved’, for the value in having an assorted bank of eye-opening reference material for whenever a person is ready to look and for the need for a decompression period.

    But given the degree of dysfunctionality experienced, i’m wondering to what extent repeatedly re-visiting that sick world, is mentally and emotionally helpful.

  304. Someone deleted my post.
    Maybe it seemed my etymology of “slava” as being “glory, praise” is wrong because of the link Scott C. posted.
    But this etymology is the origin of the word before the slavic people were catched as “slaves”. This is the origin of the slavic meaning.
    Slovo in the most slavic languages (incl russian, polish) is used in its original meaning “word”. Slava “praise (by words)”.

    So the derivation of the word “S(c)lave” (in german Sklave) and its changed meaning occured afterwards.

    See also Scotts link:

    As far as the Slavs’ own self-designation goes, its meaning is, understandably, better than “slave” it comes from the Indo-European root *kleu-, whose basic meaning is “to hear” and occurs in many derivatives meaning “renown, fame.” The Slavs are thus “the famous people.” Slavic names ending in -slav incorporate the same word, such as Czech Bohu-slav, “God’s fame,” Russian Msti-slav, “vengeful fame,” and Polish Stani-slaw, “famous for withstanding (enemies).”

  305. Off-topic here, but Kenny Rogers’ bassist is long-time Scientologist, Chuck Jacobs. Chuck’s brother, Dan Jacobs is a reknowned jazz trumpet player and many-time winner of the Auditor of the Year award back when he had his own field practice. I played in bands with Dan before I got into Scn and did not even know he was a Scientologist. Chuck also helped me record some demo tracks. Both great guys.

    Alas, Dan and his wife Myrna seem to have unofficially disconnected with me. I noticed that I can no longer post comments on either of their Facebook walls, but it shows that I am still friends with Myrna. (sad sigh)

    I sure wish they would see the light and join us outside of Plato’s Cave.


  306. “… I realized that amusement parks are implant stations without the electricity. Just like INT events.”

    At least amusement parks are fun! You don’t have to make yourself scream “Hip hip, HOORAY!” if you didn’t really have fun.

    And no one forces you to ride on the rollercoasters.


  307. Hi SKM,

    “So many Slavs were enslaved for so many centuries that the very name ‘slave’ derived from their name, not only in English and other European languages.”

  308. oops, nvm, I figured it out. The correct blog is and somehow I found

  309. Hey Scott,

    The link you gave me is for the etymology of the word “slav” meaning people of Slavic descent.

    As far as I know, the word Slavka is not derived from the word “slav”. Like the word “Campbell” is not derived from “camp” and “bell”:

    > “The person to whom you sent the questions is named Slavka (female slave).”
    This phrase looks like you were deriving “female slave” from the etymology of the word “Slavka”, you were not deriving “female slave” from the ethnicity of the person.

  310. Li'll bit of stuff

    Simple, my exact sentiments, in every respect!
    And it simply goes without saying, that if this
    degree of duplication IS possible, through the
    written comm relayed across a blog, what does
    that say for the UNDERSTANDING possible???
    Marty said something similar in his 2012 New
    Year message, in terms of things just getting
    better! All tone 4.0 stuff, for sure! Pure Shreff!

  311. P.S.: Quote from Roy MacGregor:
    “She came from poverty and could easily be returned to it. She will never be allowed deep Scientology training. Such people are the rank and file of the Sea Org. It is FOR them that I will fight as best I can.”

  312. How would you feel if someone you were looking to for help sat down in front of you and told you you were a cold blooded heartless bastard? I guess that’s become ok in the name of ruin finding…? Good grief. There are ways to find ruins and ways to get someone up to wanting to do something about it, but cold blooded out of ARC evaluation is not one of them. As a former PES and Reg and FSM and OEC evaluator we were trained to use the graphs as guidelines, often quite telling once you knew what you were looking at and we were taught how to interpret amongst the catagories and to indicate areas of charge, weakness, backoof, compultions, etc., to help find the person’s ruin(s), ie., handle the person in front of you. I have a vague recall of when these new evals & computerized scripts started coming out. I didn’t think much about it (early 90’s as I recall) and largely ignored them. Dissem Drill, contact, handle, salvage, bring to understanding! Jeez, how tough is that? I didn’t realize how this dates me but I know it works well when applied, not so sure some rote computerized no ARC Miscavige bullshit.

  313. “Mark, do you know where I can get the original OCA?”

    Ingrid, I sent Mark the whole package tonight. If you’re interested I can send it to you too.

  314. > “She came from poverty and could easily be returned to it. She will never be allowed deep Scientology training. Such people are the rank and file of the Sea Org. It is FOR them that I will fight as best I can.”

    Roy MacGregor,
    I wish there were more people like you! ♥

  315. MaBű,

    I’m not saying anything about Slavka personally. It’s just ironic that a person in that position in the Corporate C of S would have that name.

  316. Scott, I see no contradiction here.
    Still the root-word ‘slava’ in slavic based languages means “fame, praise, glory, ‘what is talked about'”.

  317. “The confessional is used today to pound beings in to boxes that comply with certain dimensions.” -SCHREF. well put.

  318. “The stuff that is being squirreled by ALL of those in the current “church”. Those that are unknowingly commiting overts on LRH because they are to PTS to look. There is a state worse then blindness, that is thinking you see when you don’t.”

    Kat and Jerry,

    I couldn’t agree more. Corporate Scientologists are severely PTS. So PTS, they take on the colors of an anti-social personality (SP), being in treason against Scientology and all Scientologists (in and outside the CofS, totally unknowingly.

    As far as I’ve been able to tell, there is actually only ONE true sociopath (SP) who claims to be a Scientologist. Of course, that is David Miscavige.

    (IMO, sadly, even Ron was vulnerable to being PTS, too. He wasn’t infallible.)

  319. It’s wonderful you have a blog, Tara. The more people exposing the crimes of David Miscavige on their websites, the more opportunities it creates for corporate Scientologists to wake up. Your rather innocent and benign url of may attract corporate Scientologists who may not otherwise go to a site which has markrathbun in its domain name. Very smart, girl! 🙂 Thank you!

  320. Thank you, Safe.

  321. Just saying that I remember sharing with a fellow OTC member on the level that I never felt so much at effect as while at Flag. I didn’t really know the writing was on on the wall then. She told me to just keep auditing but Flag doesn’t let you just audit.

  322. Off topic can be good! That is interesting actually. I wrote songs for Andre’ Moore’s demo tapes when he was producing for Motown in L.A.. I even wrote a rap tune!

    It’s My World

    The girl on the sidewalk begged to be free.
    I stood there looking at blood on the street.
    “Just let her go” I said to her man. He said,
    “Mind your own bizness, run while you can.”

    “But I can’t leave her hurtin, give her some space.
    We gotta do somethin to fix up this place.”
    When the doctor stood looking with out any care
    her man downstairs waiting, cried in despair.


    They keep on telling me to look the other way.
    They keep inviting me to forget about my way.
    Why should I care? Why did I dare? Why was I there that day?
    Cause I own this place.
    I own this place.
    Even if I am a little girl
    this is my world.

    The baby was crying on a December day.
    He was only in diapers as I stood on Broadway.
    “Just get her help” I begged the police. He said,
    “The mother’s on dope and she don’t speak English.”

    “Don’t leave that baby inside this hotel,
    we need to do something to handle this hell.”
    The case worker talkin without any care
    But the baby was warm when I left him there.


    I’ll tell you a story that happened to me
    I was in New York City only sixteen.
    “You’de better keep living” He ordered me back.
    “I won’t let you die, you’re livin in fact.”

    He made me believe in some other hope.
    Got me to give up the needle and dope.
    The man had the power to make me believe
    I had a good reason to wake up and live.

    He kept on telling me
    “Don’t look the other way.
    They’re gonna keep inviting you
    to forget about your way.

    You’de better care, You’de better dare
    to make a better day.

    Cause you own this place
    you own this place

    Even if you are a little girl

    ………..This is your world”.

    Also spent a lot of time sleeping on the couch at Electric Lady on St. Marks Place in New York . We may have crossed paths with some of the same people. I went to go see Kenny Rogers in concert in New Jersey when I was 23. All of my friends thought I was lame so I had to go alone. Also had to go see Lisa Minnelli and Peter Allen alone.

    The off topic was refreshing. Thanks Nance.

  323. OMG, 2cents. I’m speechless. Though I shouldn’t be surprised after knowing what I know, now.

  324. Such a fantastic writeup and responses to others Mark. You are very inspirational and know the tech so well that anyone in doubt would really have to think hard about staying in let alone the ones not in doubt – after reading what you write and questions so many of us have had as well. Awesome is all I can say. I think if you keep posting like this you will have an army of followers coming your way.

  325. David Miscavige a psych puppet? Are you really serious?

    The drug used for treating asthma are antihistamines, not amphetamines. Besides, asthma is typically a somatic problem, and is treated by your run-of-the-mill general practitioner, not by a psychiatrist.

  326. It is called “as-is-ness,” elsewhere stated as “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.”

  327. This training of employees you describe, looks more like a training for jailers than a training for employees of a church or any other spiritual organization. It explains a lot. I understand that in the RTC people get the worst kind of military training possible. This would probably be an insult to the military – sorry.
    It looks to me that Stalin or Mao would have liked to have a training centre like this. It is really unbelievable.
    So the RTC is in heart of what is going on in Scientology?

  328. I cannot help but think that RTC is the place where ‘little’ SP’s or sociopaths are made, or clones of Mescavige. This is something for a horror movie.
    It is worse than I thought. My god.

  329. After reading all the posts may I conclude that Scientology as a church has been taken over by another cult? I mean literally taken over. Like a cancerous tumor. Then it is about to kill its host and at the same time itself.
    Sorry if I sound a bit naive (never having been in the sea org myself). It makes me think of the Islam religion (for a part) being taken over by the Islamists (the terrorist party). They even have a certain military training (RTC of ethics personnel) in common.
    But the picture of a terrorist cult having taken over the church suddenly struck me as true. And could explain a lot. It happened to other religions in past and present.
    In that case the Independent movement and others have a huge responsibility.

  330. Thanks Stuff.

  331. LTC,
    I agree, some of the finest people I’ve known have been staff members and who somehow managed to stay above 2.0. I agree with your observations regarding the Ideal Org program. Things may have gone downhill because people instinctively knew it was a mockery of what LRH intended. In that regards, DM hijacked staff willingness and dedication to LRH and used it to forward his own MEST-driven agenda.

  332. Hi Mark,
    Thanks for the ref check in OEC Vol 7, it is very helpful..

    Notwithstanding all the other alter-is, off policy and out tech
    application, I couldn’t believe my eyes when I noticed the
    complete bastardisation of the Code of a Scientologist in CSI’s latest
    FoT compared to the original HCO P/L 5 Feb 1969R . This is
    without doubt one of DM’s biggest mistakes for it cannot be hidden or
    denied what his game is. Only the 3rd precept is as LRH wrote.
    All others are either missing or alter-ised!

    All the best

    ‘ack (shortened from hacker an old nickname from my teens)

  333. E.J. Croughs

    Davey reportedly used a lot of inhalers, then as well as now containing amphetamines and/or steroids, with Davey obviously suffering just about all the known side effects.
    None of those drugs has ever been reported to cause case gain or cognitions. Davey is a NCG case thus cognitions, especially from medical treatment, are a red flag.

  334. martyrathbun09

    Has not been ‘on an inhaler’ since childhood to my knowledge.

  335. E.J. Croughs

    But obnosis tells me he still manifests the effects.


    • dizziness
    • mood swings, including anger, aggression, and depression
    • seeing or hearing things that aren’t there (hallucinations)
    • extreme feelings of mistrust or fear (paranoia)
    • problems sleeping
    • nausea and vomiting
    • trembling
    • high blood pressure that can damage the heart or blood vessels over time
    • aching joints
    • greater chance of injuring muscles and tendons
    • jaundice or yellowing of the skin; liver damage
    • urinary problems
    • shortening of final adult height
    • increased risk of developing heart disease, stroke, and some types of cancer
    • testicular shrinkage
    • pain when urinating
    • breast development
    • impotence (inability to get an erection)
    • sterility (inability to have children)

    • reduced appetite
    • insomnia
    • delirium
    • dependence
    • restlessness
    • nervousness
    • euphoria
    • irritability that might be followed by depression and fatigue.
    • dryness of the mouth
    • headaches
    • abdominal cramps
    • dizziness
    • sweating
    • tremors
    • altered libido and palpitations
    • growth retardation in children after long-term use.

  336. martyrathbun09

    You don’t know much of that. I think you’d be well advised to create a new scene rather than obsess with an old, dead one.

  337. Thanks Mike.

  338. Thank you. Apology accepted.

  339. All,
    Mea culpa. I’m sorry for the caps at the beginning of the post in question — which often denote yelling (and I guess, cussing to some people!) Yikes. Not my intent. My question was so late in the middle of a long list of posts, that I thought it would be missed. So I put in some “flashing lights”, i.e., caps. Big mistake! I appreciate your patience. It seems I am very clumsy on this site, and not aware I am offending people. So not my intent. 😦

  340. E.J. Croughs

    For myself I don’t know, but multiple reliable sources including you reported frequently on most of these side effects in Davey. I remember to follow outpoints until the most major one and the why are found which will open the door to a handling and I thought group engrams are better run than buried.

  341. Update: Everything is back up. It wasn’t any virus or anything. It was an attempt to overwhelm a specific IP with too many connections. I wouldn’t put it past the “church” doing this, though I can’t imagine my site warrants enough of their attention to try to take it down.

    IF it is you, “church”, nothing you do will permanently take it down. It’s stupid and futile to even try. You will get caught, and it will be exposed in the media creating another stupid foot-bullet you seem so good at doing. I’ve got the best tech guys around to trace the source.

  342. martyrathbun09

    Very few of them in fact. “Group engram running” infused with lies is not running engrams out, but contributing to running them in.

  343. “my general theory is that the Church went PTS, then eventually SP.”

    Great post, Thoughtful and your point deserves a LOT of attention.

    My take is Hubbard went PTS, which never got handled (we must remember, this is just an acronym for “potential trouble source which means what it says), and he created policies which created yet more trouble. Can one imagine the chaos of PTS leadership? At the time, Ron was the source of the trouble, and took on a few anti-social characteristics that weren’t in the individuals best interest. This led the congregation (church) into being PTS, too.

    Of course, with nearly everybody PTS, including Ron, this led to the vulnerability of being suckered by a true sociopath, David Miscavige. His 1.1 specialty apparently duped even LRH. With Ron gone, DM took any “PTS policies” (questionable policies Ron wrote when he was PTS) to the extreme. Eventually, church members unknowingly took on the “winning” valence of the SP, David Miscavige, as he was the new “leader” for the “church”, and the group became unknowingly suppressive.

    I know the critics of Hubbard think I’m too easy on LRH who believe he was a sociopath too, and that Miscavige just “took over” leading the suppression. But Scientologists know damn well Hubbard was NOT a sociopath. He meant well. LRH was a man, too, and vulnerable like all of us. He apparently succumbed to the suppression by SP groups, and eventually an individual sociopath, David Miscavige. Fundamentalist Scientologists who’ve put Hubbard up as an idol (practically worshiping LRH) have difficulty imagining that such a Being could succumb to suppression, and I’m sure this idea is not popular to them.

    During Hubbard’s duress, as Marty wrote in his book, policy became nothing other than POLICE enforcing PROHIBITIONS. I quote:

    “no matter how one dressed it up, Scientology policy created and required a force that one would have to be in utter denial to characterize as anything other than the POLICE enforcing PROHIBITIONS (italics in the book), so as to protect good people from other people presumably dedicated to EVIL”

    Marty continues to write, “I am quite aware that these views will be condemned by many Scientologists, corporate and independent alike.”

    So you know Marty, I agree with you 100% and I don’t condemn your view at all. You’re spot on, IMO. Like you wrote, “to ignore or deny Hubbard’s empowerment of such treatment and behavior is tantamount to condemning Scientologists to repeating a history they are systemically required to remain ignorant of and yet perpetuate.”

    I can hardly wait for your “history book” as a scholarly explanation of how things went south, by a respected top standard-tech auditor (such as you), is sorely needed! You got a new fan. 🙂

  344. It has also occurred to me, “What if Ron created this entire incident intentionally as a living lesson in how to take oneself out from under tyranny by applying Scientology to do it, knowing full well that the ending outcome of it all would be truly independent, free-thinking individuals?”

    Once we’ve figured out how to get out of one tyranny, we clearly know how to handle other tyrannies, such as 3rd dynamic government tyrannies. Then, and only then can we handle 4th dynamic. Could Ron have had this much forward thinking?

    Whether it was intentional or not, this is what I believe the outcome of all of this will be. We truly will have the ability to take on planetary suppression, and the goal of Scientology can finally be achieved, a world without war, criminality, and insanity. That’s why I got into this deal.

  345. Very interesting discussion. One question I’m trying to answer is “When did Scn become serious?” (e.g. chronically below 2.0) I’ve read accounts from the 50s and early 60s and it seems like a totally different scene, much more like an adventure, somewhat loose, but uptone. At some point the whole endeavor became deadly serious.
    There are several milestones that stick my attention:
    1) The formation of the Sea Org
    2) The publication of KSW #1
    3) The release of Ethics Tech (and subsequent abuse)
    Each of these seemed to usher in new levels of seriousness, and in many ways made doing Scn more difficult.

    Point taken on the FDA raid, hadn’t thought of that.

    Just a viewpoint…

  346. Although I am not confident that I understand everything that you are talking about, I am confident that you are a good guy. If you knew me you would not be concerned at all about my “inappropriateness”. I am easy to talk with. Don’t know about this Ls and Skype. Is this some sort of an idea of a withhold you think I have?

  347. Thanks for saying that, Bob!

  348. One other thing, it was not my intention to bait you, more to encourage you to continue. I am just an always annoying proselytizer of never shutting up.

  349. Hi Mike,
    I will do my best so that you will not have to deal with the “battle” issue you mentioned, going forward. I apologize for getting caught up in it unintentionally.

  350. Li'll bit of stuff

    Nancy & T.O.,
    I can clearly see a renaissance on the horizon, when ALL
    artists of every hue, including ourselves, will again freely
    practise what we inherently do best——-CREATE
    With a renewed certainty & zest, fully in the glare of the
    bright, open sunshine,we may again share the freedom
    of spirit, that makes realized beingness so special.
    ML, Calvin.

  351. Hi Dan!

    Well spoken, brother. Admiration is the key to everything.

    BTW, I have now received so many replies to this posting, and I’d like to respond to each one appropriately – but just scanning th site looking for the new postings is very time consuming. Can someone tell me an “insider trick” to expedite my searches for the new postings?


  352. martyrathbun09

    Mark, when you initially respond there should be an option visible to notify you by email of any reply to your comment.

  353. I found Marty’s Chapter 13, “Reversal”, indicated well to me and identified one major milestone.

  354. We resent suppression in its many forms, and the way to do the most damage, as LRH says, is to simply flourish and prosper. It is the ideal handling and win win.

  355. KT, I did not know you had a copy of that audio. A friend of mine getting comm eved mentioned to the MAA beforehand that he was getting equipment to tape it, and said that the comm ev was canceled the next day! Interesting data, and I don’t know if there is a cause-effect there, but I would sure as heck have a tape recorder in ANY meeting I had with OSA or a justice cycle of some kind.

    There is an interesting service fascimile, “We are right and your are wrong” kind of attitude with the staff that invalidates the notion of justice completely. A friend today was telling me that when she asked to see what LRH ref they were basing their fundraising on, these young SO people actually mocked her voice and ridiculed her for “needing an LRH reference.”

    Boggles the mind.

  356. Journey Continued

    I have been off travelling for a while and have only now had the great pleasure of reading your words Shreff. Not only does your communication get straight to the point on some of the major outpoints within the current Church scene but it is written in a wonderful style, with your panache making the reading all the more pleasurable. Through your communication you bring us full circle back to where we began – the game of building a better world.

    It was only some months ago while reading a train of thought expressed on this blog, that I had a bit of an epiphany. From the perspective of theta and mest, the trap we enmesh ourselves in, often on a regularly basis, is to put too much attention on the problem. Be it: running from it; avoiding it; fighting it; or fleeing from it, we to varying extents interiorize into and become the problem. All one needs to do is to be bigger than the problem and hey presto .. no problem.

    You definitely radiate across great distance that you are much bigger than the problems of Corporate Scientology. Have a great game.

  357. The Co$ has a long history of squeezing out the Independents. In the past, the Independents (Free Zoners) were heavily suppressed by the Co$ all around the world. If there is no strong counteraction, the Independents will be squeezed again.

    From the historic viewpoint, Marty and Rinder are a new phenomenon: they are able to counteract without being squeezed by the Co$, and without staying anonymous. This is due to their intimate knowledge of OSA, etc. In the past, nobody was able to do it.

    The only reason that you and other Indies are able to be in the open is because people like Marty, Mike Rinder, Steve Hall, Anonymous, etc, are handling the Co$’s suppression.

    You are a new Indie, and it looks like you are still not completely versed in the history of the Co$’s suppression.

    In order to succeed the Indies need to handle both: counteract Co$’s suppression, and flourish & prosper. However, if Co$’s suppression is not limited enough then the Indies will need to go again underground, and even underground OSA will continue to hunt them.

  358. Journey Continued

    No the scene today is very different to what it was in the past mostly due to the internet. This is something that did not exist when Mayo and a host of others tried to take on Corporate Scientology. I know full well as I was heavily involved in those operations as Mike or Marty could attest to.

    Today is a bright new day for the future of Scientology, with tech available to all and the independent field growing in leaps and bounds. Independents connected via the internet is an unstoppable force and psycho dave can do nothing about it.

    Sure they can continue to harass people but that is about all. In my view Shreff is right on the money with focusing on dissemination of true Scientology and this of course needs to be backed up by delivery.

  359. Mark: Your e-mail is going viral – THANK YOU!!! I don’t know if you sent it or who – but my friends and family still in got it and it is an effective blow to the Organization!! Very well done for sending it out to all Scientologists! This is waking people up because everyone sees the “out points” in this Organization and people are getting out!!
    The Organization is too far gone to correct it – but getting people out of the dangerous effects of the criminality is the right thing to do.

    Thank you Mark!!!

  360. Safe: The Ethics Department has been a Registrar for donations for a long time. They wear both hats. After you get fleeced, you go in session and that will stop you from thinking about it. Think about it. Make sense to you? It is the perfect timing to get as much money out of people as possible and then they go in session and get their attention on themselves again.

    Couple that with the fact that no one can talk about it – no entheta Safe … no entheta. Handle it in auditing. Get it?

    I know the books say it is two separate divisions but in reality – the MAA or EO is also a Registrar. Just like every ED is a Registrar for donations to the Ideal Orgs.

    What has been your experience and how long were you in Scientology? When were you last in? What orgs did you go to?

    What a perfect arena to get money out of people, no? You got a person who just put $100K on account to get up the Bridge. They have to go to ETHICS before they can get in session. They do an interview and if anything comes up – wala! The person must pay to get out of conditions! The person must pay to get to the next level. The person must empty their bank accounts, cash in their IRA, sell their stocks and borrow money from anyone they can to get in session. Have you not heard this is happening?

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