Miscavige’s Obsession with the Rathbuns

Many have speculated why the Miscavige obsession with our family is so intense and seemingly inexorable.  Miscavige has spent millions in a variety of forums attempting to explain or justify it.  The writings on that score in his publications, legal threats to media, and legal pleadings and utterances from his PR hacks and agents – including the deep ranks of expensive attorneys – are so far-ranging, self-contradictory and red herring in nature, that they are unhelpful in discerning the answer to the question: why such an obsession?  Yet, the answer is apparent, by the repeated expression of our objectives right here on this blog as well as in  a number of media interviews. Below are several excerpts and links to support the ideat that the motivation for Miscavige’s mania lies in his need to resurrect the effectiveness of Scientology’s domestic terror apparatus.

The record:

September 25 2009, Winds of Change:

To stand and communicate one’s convictions and defend the rights of other friends to do the same is the remedy for Miscavige’s brand of terrorism.  It can make one feel healthier and more whole. If enough people follow your lead, it will lead to the end of the Scientology reign of terror.

September 26 2009, Independent Scientologists Community:

People who have simply exercised their abilities to be there and comfortably confront when faced with Church intimidation tactics – and not allowed themselves to be drawn into flash fights and the resultant creation of ridges – have as-is’d the invaders. That has happened most frequently when the person being targeted by the Church has the comfort of knowing he has people who are behind him or her with unconditional love. It is quite remarkable.

I am fairly certain that if a decent percentage of independent Scientologists stand up, identify themselves, and freely associate with like-minded friends in the light of day at least three things will happen:

a. Many individual lives will regain meaning. Many more lives still will reap the gains from each of us who independently and freely use Scientology with no other motivation than to help others reach higher states of beingness.

b. Scientology (the subject and community) will experience a renaissance within society at large.

c. Miscavige’s church will be forced to either radically reform by reversing its suppressive operating basis or face its inevitable demise (note the intransitive is used; it is not because of anything that you or I will do to it that will cause it other than being their comfortably – it will be a self-inflicted fate).

February 1 2010, The Underground Railroad Goes Overland:

One primary purpose behind encouraging people to overtly declare their independence was to break the back of the mafia-like protection racket run by the C of M. That is, to help people get out from under the black cloud of intimidation and threatened execution of forced disconnection for purposes of breaking Scientologists’ wills and independent thought processes.  The idea has proven workable. Each person who overtly straightens his back demonstrates to many more how incapable the  C of M is to ride straight backs. For each who does so overtly, dozens more begin to straighten their own by witnessing it can be done without serious repercussion and seeing tall walking people blossoming.

January 21 2011, Confront of Evil:

The pathetic and empty nature of their threats serves as confirmation of my oft-repeated analysis: AS INDEPENDENTS BECOME MORE NUMEROUS AND COURAGEOUS, RADICAL SCIENTOLOGY’S RESOURCES TO HARASS WILL BECOME MORE DISSIPATED AND THEIR “ATTACKS” WILL BECOME LESS AND LESS EFFECTIVE. And so it has played itself out in that fashion.

August 18 2011, Why The Obsession?:

People who have been following this blog for some time understand that this is a message I have often repeated: when enough real Scientologists stand up and be heard as Independents, Miscavige’s resources will be spread so thin trying to intimidate them that his actions will be so ineffectual that the world will see there is nothing to fear from Radical Corporate Scientology. 

It apparently has come to pass that from Miscavige’s perspective too many people have stood up and been counted so that Scientology has lost its terror-control factor.  There are not enough resources to re-corral or make examples of all those who have stood and are continuing to do so, nor even a significant portion of them.  Apparently, in the mind of Miscavige the only way to discredit the notion that Scientology can no longer hunt you to the grave if you dissent is to very visibly and thoroughly destroy the guy who widely and repeatedly asserted that there was nothing to fear – and the current state of affairs to gain – by standing up.

229 responses to “Miscavige’s Obsession with the Rathbuns

  1. The CofS was very effective at ‘wack a mole’ when there weren’t very many moles. Now there are thousands, and DM can’t wack them all, and he knows that.

    So, to solve that problem, DM creates another problem; trying to wack the mole that pisses him off the most; the individual who helped others to stand up and see the whacker was really wacked himself, and not much to fear.

  2. Who can one contact to get some independent auditing?

  3. Marty: In my opinion DM and the “Crazy 88” are obsessed with your for a couple of reaons:

    1. DM Does not like the idea of you or anyone for that matter giving people a route to follow that “the church” is not in control of.
    2. For people in the world that are confused enough to believe the church still DM and the church want to paint a picture of you or anyone that is “thinking outside the box” as unspeakable creatures that the public should be warned about.

    I hope that the church realizes though, that they will be making more enemies than they will friends if they do this. And the Church of Scientology may go out of business, but the tech will live on forever and continue to be discovered and used, because of people like you and others that just made things go right with it. Doesn’t it seem odd too, that the church has all this tech and things never go right for them? I always thought they were pretty lame people.

    I believe their main concern is for all the OT’s that drop the church and/or drop their bodies. What if they came back and decided to set up camp outside the church and made it go right?

    That is the reason why.

    If the world was a nice place to live people could leave and come back without a care anytime. 🙂

  4. There is no Golden Age or renaissance with Miscavige, he is still applying the medieval, dark ages and barbaric “Head on a Pike” routine, as the Pope applied the Inquisition to handle the heretics.

  5. And from a more simple perspective, such as a Church of Scientology’s ignorant jaded viewpoint, the Church of Scientology is comparable to drug trafficking which is only as good as there are people that use drugs. As long as their are confused, bewildered or weary people in the world, the Church of Scientology thrives. When people wake up from the trance, the scene oustide the coffee shop today, your house yesterday, the middle of the street last year, is the end result.

  6. Could not agree with you more Marty.

    In his mind, his only hope to regain “face” is to “crush you like a bug.”

    He has no doubt repeatedly bragged that you were a “nobody”, that you would “just disappear” that you “really wanted to come back to the church because it was the only thing good in your life”, that you were “going to have a mental breakdown” that he would goad you into doing something that would “put you behind bars.” And many other variations. Anyone who has ever spent time with the guy knows he has repeated these things OVER and OVER and OVER.

    And now its an affront to his manhood that none of them has come true.

    But he prides himself on “never giving up.” And this goes to the point of insane behavior. Thus, he will devote ridiculous amounts of time and money to “taking you out” because he HAS to be right.

    He is going to be “right” about this, or die in the attempt.

    And he is killing himself off as he presses forward with this obsessive “make right”….

    It’s fascinating to watch. It is also VERY predictable.

  7. It’s called games conditions. Marty and DM are both stuck in it. Me, I’m rooting for Marty.

  8. Robert Almblad


    You helped me straighten my backbone and for that I will forever be grateful to you.

    Without question, you are “the guy who widely and repeatedly asserted that there was nothing to fear” if you stand up.

    I have made more Clear, OT and OT VIII friends in the past 3 months than I did when I was “in” in 2005. These people have left, sometimes with their real names intact and sometime not because of of family disconnection, but always with their pride and self respect intact.

    Auditing and training are being delivered out here in volume.

    Miscavige terrorism is spread too thin to stop it.

    Thanks Marty and Mosey

  9. Chris Shelton aka Galactic Patrol

    Hi Marty.

    You and I have not really be in comm at all since 1996 when the Golden Age of Tech was first released at Flag. I met you there as one of the RTC personnel overseeing the release when I was the West US management representative (A/Tech Aide WUS) at the Snr C/S conference and release event. You were rather intense but helpful at the time and our paths never crossed directly again.

    So here we are, both out of Scientology and both speaking out against it. The Golden Age of Tech, Arbitraries Removed, Wake Up Call, the Basics, Ideal Orgs and now GAT II (all Miscavige programs) have all been revealed to be utter failures and the Church has now deteriorated into nothing but a pure money-making machine with no thought or even pretense that it is doing anything else these days.

    I want to take this opportunity to thank you for helping to pave the way and give me the courage to speak out recently under my own name. I had been posting for months under two other pseudonyms and OSA even “busted” me for one of them when they found out. Initially I tried to go the route of cooperation and stopped posting, but even after trying to “toe the line” they disconnected me from the one person I loved more than life itself and that was the living end for me. It was clear that they would stop at nothing to control people’s lives. And for what? So they can have the freedom to terrorize people and make money. It’s the most disgusting charade of a “religious movement” that has ever existed on earth.

    It was your actions and your standing up to the head of RCS that brought their dirty tricks and horrifying tactics to light unlike any other earlier effort to do so. Make no mistake, we are all thankful to those who have been fighting this fight for decades – the Paulette Coopers and Arnie Lermas and Tory Christmans of the world. Without their efforts, I doubt we would have made it this far. But that doesn’t negate the profound effects your wife’s court case has been having in making a safe environment for all of us to finally speak out.

    Chris Shelton

  10. I agree. The only way to bring the insanity of the Church down, is for everyone that reads this blog to come out! It takes guts and everyone one of you can do it! You will feel like a new person when you stand up and speak the truth. You will be de PTSed! I remember when I finally just said that’s it, I am done and I am not afraid of this bully!

    I lost my daughter and step daughter but I have my integrity and I have my life back! I have been spied on, followed, filmed, etc and guess what, it did not hurt me! I am no longer suppressed by the Church because I DECIDED that I am not going to be abused or watch others be abused by the Church.

    I can feel, speak and make decisions again. I can watch TV and freely look at the internet. If you think that you can read Marty’s, Tony’s and Mike’s blogs and do nothing you are very mistaken. You are enabling David Miscavaige! He is a bully, as a group, we need you to speak out. We are at the tipping point. So much is happening now, the Church does not have the man power to go chasing around a bunch of honest, courageous people that are speaking out.

    You KNOW what it is like inside the Church, step outside and enjoy the rest of your life!

    And if you don’t wish to help yourself, help Marty, Mosey, Christie, Mike, Marc, Claire, Lori, Ginger, Meshell, Sharon, Sheldon, Sarah, Chrissie, Shane, Trish, Bruce, Nancy, Leah, Matt, ME, etc! Help all these little kids and babies without Grandparents, Siblings, Aunts and Uncles. We want our families back! Everyone of you that read this blog and do NOTHING are helping David Miscaivage and the Church of Scientology.

    As a Mother, I ask you, please stand up today, give your name on this blog or send your story in to Marty or Mike for publishing. You will feel great! Please!

    If you need help, contact me at: cindyplahuta@msn.com or stopdisconnection.com

  11. DM Can’t handle the truth!!!

  12. You are a hero Marty. Your courage to stand and speak out and to get others to do so is awesome to see. You were one of the guys who got me looking and then your blog as a follow up was unbeatable. I will always thank you for that. Many are called and few step up to the plate.
    Even if your wife loses the case and I pray she doesn’t, it will not change anything.

  13. The cob is a lunatic of epic proportions.

  14. So true .

  15. Marty audits. See all the “success stories” here: https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/07/11/the-rest-of-the-story/

  16. It’s also called a Ser Fac. laced with Evil intentions. I’m also rooting for Marty. He’s going to win regardless of my rooting for the very simple reason that he thinks where DM can only react. Not to mention that DM has put the pedal to the metal on his personal dwindling spiral.

    I think you’re right Marty, You and a few others are seen as pivotal terminals to DM in his continued creation of his current GPM case.

    In his next life he may well be an indy, just not a very good one, which will really spin him. Poor Dave. I really admire how strongly he puts an op-term there for him to fight. This is not the way out Dave, it’s the fast track to the bottom but feel free to keep it up.

  17. And the next act will be Miscavige falling on his sword………………..

  18. It’s the sunk cost equation and saving face. You are all of the SPs combined and personified.

    How could he back off now? He HAS to have an enemy so he can play the persecution card and therefore not have to A) look at the destruction he has caused and B) confront that his cover is now blown, there are no more tricks and sleight of hand to distract people from knowing that none of his enforced grandiose ideas have worked.

    Obsession with you is the only game in town. Obsession with you keeps him busy so he doesn’t have to sit in silence and cave in on himself.

  19. In other words, he needs noise and lots of it.

  20. “Evil succeeds when good people stand by and do nothing.”
    We have heard it but it bears repeating. This struggle is important.

  21. “To stand and communicate one’s convictions and defend the rights of other friends to do the same is the remedy for Miscavige’s brand of terrorism. It can make one feel healthier and more whole.”

    The Fox Without a Tail
    An Aesop’s Fable

    It happened that a Fox caught its tail in a trap, and in struggling to release himself lost all of it but the stump. At first he was ashamed to show himself among his fellow foxes. But at last he determined to put a bolder face upon his misfortune, and summoned all the foxes to a general meeting to consider a proposal which he had to place before them. When they had assembled together the Fox proposed that they should all do away with their tails. He pointed out how inconvenient a tail was when
    they were pursued by their enemies, the dogs; how much it was in the way when they desired to sit down and hold a friendly conversation with one another. He failed to see any advantage in carrying about such a useless encumbrance.

    “That is all very well,” said one of the older foxes; “but I do not think you would have recommended us to dispense with our chief ornament if you had not happened to lose it yourself.”

  22. I think the obsession goes beyond a mere pissing contest between DM and Marty. If one views themselves as bring above the law and in command of formidable resources, then one should be able to impose one’s will upon anyone. And if the measure of power (i.e. influence) is determined by the number of people who listen to you and comply with your dictates despite the facts, then the dwindling number of people who listen and comply and the growing number of those who balk and rationally criticize indicate a lack of any real power.

    Applying those false data (i.e. being above the law and possessing undue influence) inexorably demonstrates in practice that one is not above the law irrespective of resources; the more one’s will is imposed, the more it is rejected; and popular rejection combined with illegal conduct are influence killers. It is the refusal to face those realities that results in the obsessive attempt to somehow demonstrate those false data to be true, lest one’s construct of reality and self-image fold like a house of cars.

    Accordingly, he who most effectively challenges those false data, regardless of who they may be, gets designated as a terminal to discharge upon. Thus, the obsession is more about asserting the validity and protecting the rightness of a reality and self-image that are known to be built upon clay feet than about a vendetta against any particular individual. Unfortunately, the breakthroughs within the subject of Scientology and the resources of the Church itself get squandered into obscurity in the process by the avarice of its own Frankensteins.

  23. I have been getting auditing in the independent field from Dexter Gelfand. I was just telling him what a relief it was to be getting auditing outside of the church; to really be able to think and say whatever I wanted to.

    I remember in the days when Marty was posting more regularly, there was a push from him to get people to audit again. I have not yet taken that up, but, like I said, I am getting auditing, and it IS fun again. So, that’s a first step.

    I don’t any longer have that miserable feeling that the planet’s a horribly messed up place and we are it’s only potential saviors. It just is not true!
    The world’s a marvelous place with amazing people.

    I don’t know that anyone ever will be able to pull off all the things we once dreamed about in being “full OT”: total full cause over MEST and theta, subjectively, objectively and rah dee dah. There’s nothing even close to that’s been true for anyone anywhere, and I don’t even think anyone truly wants that.

    The REAL capabilities of Scientology are good enough for me. Scientology can help just about anyone feel better. For some of these, a LOT better! And then for some of those, even a LOT better than that! And then… ad infinitum.

    It’s not to Scientology’s benefit or to anyone’s benefit to say it is better than anything else, because that would not be possible to say unless one had actually tried everything else. No one has and no one could.

    I have never wanted to sign that Indy 500 thingy. I don’t know why, I just don’t. But I have been happy for some years now to post under my own name, here, at Rinder’s and at Ortega’s.

    Rambling! Yes, I am. It’s late! But I just wanted to pop my whack-a-mole head up here and kind of give everyone at OSA the raspberries and say hi to all the rest of you!

  24. Joe van Staden

    I agree with the point made by Marty: “I am fairly certain that if a decent percentage of independent Scientologists stand up, identify themselves, and freely associate with like-minded friends in the light of day at least three things will happen:” For this to occur however, a shift in mindset is required. In this regard I have selected one question and answer from the 101 questions and answers covered in my work SIMPLE ANSWERS TO UNIVERSAL QUESTIONS, I believe it is appropriate here.


    The truth which defines our world and by which we live, regardless of how it may seem, is determined by the “angle” of our perspective and not by the “actual facts” of existence.

    Reality (truth) from the human perspective is contextual and it is mindset which determines context. To understand the Anatomy of Mindset is to know the origin of our truth on which is based our beliefs and assumptions – our choices and actions – our feelings and motivation.

    Feeling down, depressed, afraid, confused, bored, content, confident, ecstatic or amorous? In each case how you feel emanates from what your truth is at the moment. As implied by the old adage; the glass is seen as either half full or half empty. How the glass is seen – how anything in existence is seen – is determined by the prevailing mindset. Not only does beauty lie in the eye of the beholder, but so does the meaning, relevance and value of it all.

    Changing our mind changes our orientation – our perspective, and consequently also our truth and life experience. Even a minor shift in mindset can change how we see and consequently how we experience life. Our sense of self can be changed from that of a victim of circumstances to an empowered participant in the game of life by a simple shift in perspective. A close look at the Anatomy of Mindset – the role of mindset in shaping our reality – leaves one in little doubt that achieving mastery over mindset – mastery over perceptions – the ability to change one’s mind at will, must qualify as the most empowering life skill.

  25. I have observed Miscavige operate on the premise of “pushing to the limit to see how far it can go.”
    He does with punishments. He has sentenced people to do the RPF 3x !
    When someone is hurled into SP Hole, they are there for YEARS.
    When someone like Foster Tompkins or Charlie Rush got in trouble, they were sentenced to the galley *for their lifetime*.
    Auditors lose their certs and taken off tech lines “for their lifetime.”
    The reg cycles encouraged by the sociopath prove this every day.
    Rape the finances down to the bone of the public for scandalous scams such as the “IAS”.
    Expensive buildings are done and re-done and re-done pushing all workers to the limit.
    Marc Yager who tried to buck Miscavige was put in to tent to live in the fields for 3 years in solitary confinement. 3 years !
    Here’s a Sea Org member that was pushed to the limit of a mental breakdown… as have several others….

  26. Someone hacked your e-mail account Mark! They’re sending out e-mails asking for a large sum of money…

  27. I think Marty is playing a different game. It’s called “Moving on up a little higher”. It’s just that Miscavige happens to be a rogue opponent in the game, a stellar and very visible example of powerlessness.

  28. And the most delicious irony in the whole thing is that the person who could finally take him down has never been a member of the church. Many are hoping anyway. If it comes to pass, it will be DM’s own doing. Yet, he will never see that. Amazing to be in such a position of power yet so blind at the same time.

  29. Scientology – through the words of LRH, followed closely by dm, presents itself as an “Imperial Religion” … a religion that IS an empire.

    In order to maintain this imperialism there must be force which easily and almost always becomes violence. (think Inquisition)

    And as this imperialism started to crack, first with the death and obvious mortality of its founder, LRH, the violence grew.

    Miscavige claims how he and he alone ensures the ORTHODOXY of scientology and thus the salvation for the souls involved.

    Orthodoxy is becoming less and less THE WAY of the religious world. (check out what Pope Francis has to say, for example) In its stead is ORTHOPRAXY — a Greek word meaning “correct action/activity” or an emphasis on conduct, both ethical and liturgical, as opposed to faith or grace etc. While orthodoxies make use of codified beliefs, in the form of creeds, and ritualism more narrowly centers on the strict adherence to prescribed rites or rituals, orthopraxy is focused on issues of family, cultural integrity, the transmission of tradition, sacrificial offerings, concerns of purity, ethical systems, and the enforcement thereof. (Wikipedia)

    Marty the 2nd in command after years of silence spoke out. Exposing the violence and offered a benevolent form of scientology … free from ritualistic adherence to form with the intention only of help.

    ORTHODOXY however skewered is the only possible method of dm. While hard cord former church members (still adhering to LRH) rant and rave that dms version ISN’T TRUE scientology … this very orthodoxy point of view is what has brought about religious wars and continues to today and is visible to those who have stepped away from the inside of the CofS.

    It is only through an eye and heart towards correct action and activity can we hope to help ourselves and those around us. Correct action easily being defined, not as dualistic violent thinking, but rather the non-violence preached by Gandhi and Martin Luther King.


  30. Markthehungarian

    Very well put.

    From my never-in viewpoint, what I see is an individual (Miscavige) who is acting like the ex-girlfriend from hell. Once you two worked together. Then you got out and the relationship ended. But he refuses to leave it at that. He would rather see you destroyed than happy and with someone else.

    I in no way want to trivialize the trauma you have been through, and are still going through, but his actions seem to be “if I can’t have him, no one will.”

    Your freedom, and your happiness, are the two silver bullets that have already slain the vampire. He just doesn’t know it yet. And like a rabid dog, he just can’t “let things go.”

    You are setting a fine example for others, M&M. And while he concentrates his waning firepower on you, no doubt others still in have a far better chance of leaving the mental prison that is the current Church of Scientology.

  31. “You are alone and no one is really interested in you. You are just a little nobody without any power to effect anything around you. You had no friends and you have no friends. You are alone. And you lost your last bit of abilities and have to arrange with a MEST existence.”
    I do not know if these feelings are caused by myself, body chemicals, some restimulation by accident or external influence.
    At least, someone with similar thoughts and feelings will not stand up, state openly his viewpoint and be brave, like factually me at this time.

  32. Frankly I think Marty could care less about David Miscavige. Just because he wants to be himself and doesn’t feel he has to hide in the shadows, is no indication that he is in a games condition. I used to get this wrong item shoved down my throat every time someone pushed me and I pushed back in the Sea Org. And it PISSES me off. Some people just defend their personal space. Marty and his wife have been stalked harassed suppressed attacked and hassled for YEARS. They don’t owe it to David Miscavige to put up with his BULLSHIT.

  33. When he buried Scientology underground in the vaults he sealed himself in there with it.

  34. I mean, the fact that he was supposed to be putting it into the hands of the people and he burying it in holes was a wake up call for me.

  35. Well, there is a thread of truth in this. Don’t discount yourself for confronting inconvenient truths. I feel this way with every hangover. 🙂

  36. The guy is dramatizing something from ancient Egypt. God only knows what he experienced there. Must have been a nasty pharaoh with peculiar habits. Those guys could get pretty frisky and be a handful.

  37. Joe V. S.

    “The ability to change one’s mind at will.”

    I have only recently come to know how hugely important and basic that really is. It lies at the heart of, well, everything.

  38. Hi Dan L., great on getting auditing again!
    I know what you say about the Indie 500 thing.
    Personally I do not even count myself as an
    Indie as I am not a Scientologist any more. It’s
    too cramped to lock into a particular mindset.
    BUT DM will look at that list and say; “hi, they
    cannot even get up to 500 in over 3 years and
    we have millions in our church”. That’s the reason
    I keep my name there and encourage others to do
    the same. DM is extremely MEST oriented and that
    473 figure on the 500 list shows him he does not
    have to pay it any attention. Now if it suddenly went
    straight up, then that would help disperse OSA’s and
    DM’s attention units even if only enough to give us
    more room to breathe. It is a way of giving thanks to
    those who helped us with the process of getting out.

  39. Hello folks, from sunny …ha! … (wild storms we’ve got!) UK…
    A great pleasure to see the renaissance in USA of real Scientologists…
    The study of Knowing how to Know…. not just doing what you’re told.
    I left saint hill in 1983.. when the Gestapo moved in… they are still there
    going round in circles geting smaller and smaller. I think saint hill has 20 people left in it…hahaha…. and 8 of those are on the RPF.
    Have recently been to the Independant Advanced Ron’s Org in Bern Switzerland…
    well, I had a couple of sessions, hung out had lunch every day with everyone…for a week… the word Theta comes to mind… -cost ?… Nufink!!
    I cannot recomend them highly enough…
    This scientology game is a real learning feast… from every angle…
    I think Ron created the Ethics and Declare system… as ‘Fly paper’..
    if one really is ‘suppresive’ or only into force, control and power… then you would be stuck in the church…
    why ?… because if you were to leave… you would be declared… and a real suppresive (if there is such a thing)…’cannot afford to be labeled’
    so they are stuck… and stay there for years… doing ‘some’ good… selling books… some good is still produced in the COS… comm courses etc…
    so the ‘suppresive’ is stuck and disseminating.
    This leaves the ACTUAL field open and free from suppresives who are now stuck on the fly paper. For real Auditing and theta work to procceed.
    Best wishes from the UK
    Ian Moore

  40. martyrathbun09

    Thanks TO.

  41. I think that as long as he believes or is led to believe that he has a chance of winning, he will continue to self-destruct. But at some point it may become too publicly painful or scary for him and he will pull back and try to spin it to his flock as a win. He may continue on a clandestine level. Street fighters know when to flee. Its more and more apparent with each passing year and engagement that this is a mismatch in Marty’s favor, for so many reasons and on so many levels.

  42. Make no mistake, this is about the future of every man woman and child on this planet. This is about light and dark. Marty, Mosey , DM and others are cast in their roles for their own personal reasons. We are in our roles, active or not, for our own reasons. Spoiler alert: In the end the light wins. The sooner we all step up the roles we have or are willing to have or feel we should be playing, the sooner it ends.

  43. Fundamentalists are Plagiarists.


    When a person can only recite words by Hubbard they become Plagiarists.

  44. Very cool viewpoint. I myself figured the Church to be a dragnet. Thanks for sharing your view Ian.

  45. Hubbard said, “Disagree and go free”. Hubbard said, “People are PTS to the middle class”. What the hell are the Patrons and Humanitarians if not the middle class? People in the Church are PTS to the UPPER CLASS, the Sea Org.

    As soon as Marty applies everything Hubbard has said, who the hell comes down in him? David Miscavige that is who. He is selling the Scientology but he really doesn’t want people to HAVE it and think with it. That is a criminal offense. Buy it, pay for it, but do not make it part of you. He sets people right into a GPM. Some people, not all. His real ruin is, he goes for unattainable goals. He forces others into unattainable goals, all the while becoming swallowed up in them himself.

  46. http://www.freeandable.com/ lists all the independent auditors and training facilities worldwide. You can find one in your area or one who is willing to travel (there are several like that).

  47. As a late-comer to the indie world, I appreciate the recap, Marty, and I agree with everything you’ve stated here. You’ll be hearing from me un-anonymously quite soon.

  48. Christine,

    “ORTHODOXY however skewered is the only possible method of dm. While hard cord former church members (still adhering to LRH) rant and rave that dms version ISN’T TRUE scientology … this very orthodoxy point of view is what has brought about religious wars and continues to today and is visible to those who have stepped away from the inside of the CofS.”

    Very true, you definitely nailed it.

  49. Jeff,
    You may want to check out a couple of videos done by Josie Outlaw to better differentiate between games conditions and standing for your rights.

    “Who owns you” can be found here:

  50. Me, and many others, are grateful for the encouragement you gave us to be able to stand up and speak.
    And why we do so? because we are not tolerant of abuses on staff and public; because the perversion of the tech with only vested interests to make millions, as Black Heart has done for years now, is something we will never agree with and because we have courage, integrity and honor.
    Black Heart gives himself too much importance, we couldn’t care less if he is happy or not, if he has millions or billions; that is not the point. We do stand up as we do know that using a sane philosophy to destroy others is not correct, period.
    Technically he will end destroying himself and all his minions around him, it is just a matter of time. He has absolutely lost control of the thousands of people that have left his realm and are freely and joyfully living life and, above all, helping others and feeling great about it.
    There are thousands of people doing this in USA, LATAM, Europe, South Africa, Middle East and you name it…sorry mister, you can’t control it any longer because we have one person who ignited the torch and showed us the way to stand up – Marty – and because each one of these thousands has grabbed his/her own torch in his or her own hands and walks now freely his or her own way; this has, keeps and will keep spreading around the world.
    And just to make it clear, we will carry on….

  51. Miscavige is like Ahab maniacally and obsessively hunting the white whale.

    Miscavige’s real foe is within, and his karma is the true whale that will destroy him.

    Maybe someone can be kind and fly Miscavige’s ruds? “Mr. Miscavige, do you have a break in affinity? Reality? Communication?” (Wow, they all rock slammed. Off to ethics.)

  52. Go Cindy, Maybe city wide protests accross the country. Anonymous seems good at doing it. If DM is deposed, the church will probably have mass protests.

    I say we should have our own.

    Anonymous, if you are listening, there are a bunch of pissed of folks with a done of enerrgy.

    Mass protests on the streets while DM is deposed. I can’t organize it, but I would sure help promote it.

    And if any video media want to create a commercial to promote I will score it. I have scored a few feature films distibuted by Universal. And have commercials airing in Vegas: 13 of them.

    I would be more than happy to offer my services.

    Mass protest against tyranny. Any one have connections to Anonymous?

    Feels like a tipping point to me.

  53. I mean it, anyone have connections to Anonymous? brian@hiddenstory.com

    I will write a theme song.

    Stand Against Tyranny
    Fight Religious Hate

    Whatever, I will do it. I do post production work and am serious about this.

    Let’s bring this piece of shit evil organization down and protect mothers, fathers, children, siblings etc.

    The commercial can have families who have been separated by this dick. The energy will be poweful, because it is real.

  54. AI, Looking forward to it…

  55. Funny girl!

  56. The attack on the Independents is the attack on religious freedom!

    Let’s do this. Media folks, ex member celebs, lets make a commercial! Go viral on the net.

    Do it!

  57. There is truly no difference between radical Islamist and what they believe and DM’s arm of terror in the church….they believe that what they do is right and just and it’s what they’re suppose to do because of their beliefs….this thinking is ancient and will not survive much longer…..there is a shift going on and ego driven institutions are crashing all over the planet….in reality DM will be doing our civilization a favor by continuing to do what he does because that will bring the church down quicker than if he just left others a lone to live their lives the way the choose.

  58. Interesting analysis, Marty. You are, in a sense, the nail that snagged the thread that began to unravel the cozy blanket of protection DM wrapped himself in for so long. Add in the Anons, the Debbie Cook email, the growing body of personal accounts by those who have left, and the increasing courage of the press in reporting on fraud and abuse in the cult, and that “blanket” is history. That leaves Dave squirming, with his butt hanging out in the breeze. Something must be done about that, right?

    Of course, you can’t unring the bell, as they say. Nothing the cult does to you and your family can reverse the impact you have already had. It is just too late to accomplish anything but harassment, and Dave must know this. So there is likely some amount of spite involved in his decision making. And probably a lot of scapegoating, too. Narcissists like Miscavige cannot bear to acknowledge they have made a mistake. It generally makes them furious, and they look for someone to blame, and make a public example.

    All of this, not to repair any damage done, but to establish that he is blameless and preserve his image. If things are spinning out of control, it is not because of bad leadership on his part. It is due to an unprecedented effort by “the enemy” to destroy them, and Marty Rathbun is the primary culprit. End of story, please donate to our “war chest” so we may prevail in our worthy cause.

    Keep on keeping on, Marty and Monique! So far, so good. I very much admire you both for standing up so definitively against the harassment, knowing how much more garbage you would have to deal with. When the going gets rough, and I know it must, I hope you draw strength from the enormous good will of so many people supporting your fight and wishing the best for your family.
    And hugs to your little one! 🙂

  59. Summerwind.
    You have touched on something here that has been bouncing around in my ‘head’ for some time. I have been concerned that the church would continue to stay just within the bounds of survival, living off a few ignorant loyal subjects, neither expanding nor significantly shrinking. Limping along, degrading public perception in a long, slow decline.

    I basically agree with the idea of one or more well run, honest, competent groups promoting and assisting large numbers to spiritual improvement. CoS is currently hampering the possibility of that occurring.

    A complete reboot seems necessary.

  60. O’Bardo.
    I am a bit sorry to have to say this.

    It has been my experience that evil does not always self destruct in a reasonable length of time. In the past there have been suppressive reigns of sorrow that have lasted for thousands, even millions of years. Until someone, or some many, brought their necessity level up to the point of doing something effective, the reign continued.

    There must be a WE to PUT an end to this tragedy. I’m in, are all of you?

  61. Alsoo the church is loosing money faster that they get intrest on the lump sum

  62. Well said!

  63. Tony dePhillips.
    Marty is my hero as well.
    When I was held against will at INT base ~~ the worst 6 months of my entire life ~~ Marty Rathbun was the ONLY person kind to me, the only person with humanity and understanding.

  64. I’am a regular poster at Tony’s blog so some of you already know me. Hello All!! 🙂 I am a “never-in” so I cannot comment with any real knowledge on your beliefs, but I want it to be known that I have never been opposed to anyone believing whatever they choose. It has ALWAYS been about the abuses for me. To Marty and all the other brave people who have blazed this path for all of us to come together and stop these abuses, from the bottom of my heart, I thank you.

    To those still in the shadows, know that there are believers and non-believers out here waiting to help you.

  65. Church of Scientology your scam is dead:

  66. Good one Coop!
    Josie is my friend….

  67. Thank you Marty and Monique!
    I could not have straightened out my spine without all of the data on your blog.
    It has been and is my firm intention to see David Miscavage
    1) in the Tx court room soon and
    2) then in prison (not in a white collar minimum security one).
    That is not out of revenge but possibly as a start of turning his personal dwindling spirale around. It will be hell enough to live with himself.

  68. “Apparently, in the mind of Miscavige the only way to discredit the notion that Scientology can no longer hunt you to the grave if you dissent is to very visibly and thoroughly destroy the guy who widely and repeatedly asserted that there was nothing to fear – and the current state of affairs to gain – by standing up.”

    ‘repeatedly asserted that there was nothing to fear’

    What! There is nothing to fear! How utterly preposterous! 🙂

    “A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn’t the world being round that agitated people but that the world wasn’t flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

    Nothing real can be threatened.
    Nothing unreal exists.
    Herein lies the peace of God. (ACIM)

  69. People might not understand, I still like Auditing , some of Hubbards insights and the 1965 Bridge

  70. Cooper, perhaps you should have included a caveat with this video. Something like: There is a high probability that watching videos by Josie Outlaw or her friend Larken Rose (two peas in a pod), will de-indoctrinate the viewer of many years of indoctrination resulting in a resurgence of free thinking and, quite possibly, an elimination of compelling people pleasing programs will also occur. Then, there’s the dramatic changes in lifestyle choices that is sure to follow. Viewer beware.

  71. Christine,
    Great post. I cried when Francis became Pope. He is a Jesuit and I
    am Jesuit trained. My studies of Thomas Aquinas and his “Summa”
    guided me through OTVIII and beyond. St Francis is also one of my favorites.
    Of course, now my wife and I read the Discourses of the Buddha and
    study Pali.
    Thanks for the insight into the mind of Miscavige. I should have
    “over-boarded” him on the Freewinds in 1989 when I had the opportunity.
    It would have been the “correct action”, I think, because a lot of
    suffering would have been avoided as a result of the splash in the

    Much Metta,
    George M. White

  72. Can we get Gerry Armstrong back in the country after Scientoogy is down ?

  73. We both have this Marty

  74. Elizabeth Hamre

    +1 !

  75. Miscavige knows, fears and envies Marty’s power and just can’t let him have it. Too dangerous. He won’t feel safe or in control until Marty is taken down, so he keeps chewing on the tiger’s tail. Pathetic!

  76. Elizabeth Hamre

    A te valaszod … well forget that one..

  77. Elizabeth Hamre

    Hello to you, to UK. I have grand memories of ST Hill.[left in 82]

  78. Today is an especially hard day because, it is my Son’s Birthday, the Son that disconnected from me because I talked to the wrong people, Marty and Mosey.
    Disconnection is the leverage, as Terl would say, used to keep everyone in line, inside and outside the church. I believe we just have to refuse to disconnect from those we love. I was and am a good Mother. And on that note I have to say…
    Happy Birthday, Ryan! I Love You Very Much and Always will no matter what!

  79. I have SYMPATHY for the VICTIMES

    screw the tone scale

  80. Robert Almblad

    Cindy P… you go girl! Right on!

  81. Robert Almblad

    Graduated… nicely said. I agree.

  82. Robert Almblad

    The Indie 500 is not a group or organization, of course… I think it is sort of a postulate. When I first saw Steve Hall’s Indie 500 list, the first thought that came to mind is the now famous statement at the signing of the Declaration of Independence by Benjamin Franklin “We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

    Robert Almblad
    Indie # 285

  83. Laura Ann,

    I am so sorry that your son disconnected from you. I will be thinking of you both all day.

  84. It is suppression of religious freedom. And it seems the norm for human history, at least in many cases. The Protestant break from Rome, the Anglican break from Rome, the splitting of Islam into Sunni, Shia, etc., the splitting of the Mormons into mainstream and fundamentalist, and so on. The Thirty Years’ War started as a clash between Catholics and Protestants (movie recommendation: The Last Valley, with Omar Sharif and Michael Caine is an interesting portrayal of this incredibly destructive war).

    The point is that religions do not relinquish their power or monopoly easily.

    In its behavior to destroy real or imagined threats and preserve its hegemony, Church of Scientology behaves as “wogishly” as “wog” could be: just like all of its “we have the only way” predecessors.

  85. Elizabeth Hamre

    To M….. his true reason for hunting you and yours that item only he could locate in sessions… since he caused it in the first place..

  86. I found this on Facebook. Josie’s video put me in mind of it. There seems to be a wave spreading thanks to the Internet. This is Lorde’s Grammy Award acceptance speech, which was promptly suppressed:


  87. Hi Marty,
    I was busy for a while and just noticed Mrs. Rathbun lawsuit against the COS.

  88. How true Mark

    The first recorded word of Jesus in the bible is REPENT, in fact that is the heart of his message.
    Repent means to change one’s mind. In the Greek it is MATANOIA – Mata – to change, noia – the mind.

  89. Hi Ian

    I am also in England, living in Portsmouth. I would very much like to link up with other Scientologists in the UK.

    I currently run a “thinkers group” in my home that meets every other Sunday afternoon for tea and cake and a chat. I am excited about getting people who are pro Scientology together, for as the old adage goes “united we stand, divided we fall”.

    Feel free to get in touch, that goes for anyone reading this post. My telephone number is 02392 666650.

    Kind regards

  90. Thanks, Cindy! I am TOTALLY DETERMINED to bust the “church” on their evil practice of disconnection. I truly think it should be illegal. There are certain human rights violations that the 1st amendment does not trump. I feel breaking up families should be added to the list.
    I was born and raised Jewish and stopped practicing even before getting into SCN. But, not one Jew has disconnected from me. Since my name is Sheldon Goldberg, not too many are surprised by the Jew revelation. 🙂

  91. Hi Joe


    Only this morning during our “quiet time” we were looking at the word RESPONSIBILITY, and found as per the dictionary it comes from the word RESPOND, how different that word is to REACT. When we are unwilling or unable to change our mind set the chances are rather than having the ability to RESPOND we will invariably REACT.

    I was interested that you mention “a shift in mind set” and “change one’s mind”. Scientology invites us to have a shift in mind set, however Jesus invites us to literally change our minds – REPENT. One requires UNDERSTANDING; the other requires SURRENDERING TO LOVE.

  92. “We are human beings, whatever country we belong to. One observes countries going through a great deal of confusion, great uncertainty; there is chaos. People have no direction. But, unfortunately, we are conditioned, we are confused, uncertain, insecure, and we try to find a solution in the past, go back to our own traditions. This is what is happening throughout the world. There are the fundamentalists who accept the Bible as their authority, the fundamentalists of Islam who look to the Koran. There are the fundamentalists who look to Marx. So, when we are uncertain, confused, greatly disturbed, we look to the past, to some kind of authority, some kind of book, to find a direction. Now, in this country, as you observe, there are too many books, too many labels. So, here tradition is uncertain. You have all the leaders, all the gurus, but all the so-called saints have not helped mankind.

    What is the root cause of all this confusion? When one can find the cause, then one can end it. A cause has an end. We are asking what is the cause or what are the causes of this confusion, this lack of integrity, this sense of desperate degeneration. What is the root of all this?

    Now, what is the cause? Is it that you have so far looked to political leaders, religious leaders, economic leaders with their particular ideas, with their particular systems, to help you, so that you are always depending on others to guide you, to tell you what to do? Is that the root cause of this, or do you blame the environment? The environment is the government having no proper leader, no righteous guru. That is the environment – something outside of you. Is that the cause of this, which means that you have relied entirely on authority – the authority of tradition, authority of books, authority of leaders, gurus, and so on? When you depend, you gradually become weak, you become feeble. You are incapable of thinking clearly. This is a fact. Newspapers tell you what to think. All the meetings, the discourses that you attend, instruct. So the lack of self-reliance, the lack of a sense of responsibility for oneself – that may be the root cause of all this confusion. We have become irresponsible because we depend.”

    J. Krishnamurti Mind Without Measure Talks in New Delhi 1st Public Talk 30th October, 1982 `The Root Cause of Confusion’

  93. “A superior man acts before he speaks and, afterward, speaks according to his actions”.
    “A man can enlarge the principles which he follows, those principles do not enlarge the man.” Confucius

  94. Through experience we all get reflected back to us what we believe.

    I freed a thousand slaves I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.” ~ Harriet Tubman

    Larken Rose and The Tiny Dot:

  95. Sheldon, thank your for having courage and standing up even though you lost so much! We shall overcome disconnection! Who else is going to stand up and speak out???? Don’t wait until OSA comes after you, be at cause and give your name. You will feel great when you are not under the radar!

  96. DM, you should really quit now while there is still time.
    It is going to get uglier and uglier. See, even if you some-
    how get out of having to do this deposition (testimony under
    oath) the effort and time involved will be counterproductive.
    More and more scientologists are going to find out and their
    curiosity will sharpen their senses. And having to be truthful
    in a deposition is just not going to work.
    Better to just stop the whole harassment and pay Marty and
    Mosey and Ray before this snowball is going into the avalanche
    it is certainly destined to be. More people are going to pile on
    unless you end it now. IMHO.

  97. Valkov, I read the speech then went looking to see if I could find the video of her giving it. There’s something ‘fishy’ about this. Here’s another source to read the speech. Note how this person introduces it.


  98. Marty is the Kingpin. This blog was the fulcrum upon which everything starting to tip against Miscavige and the church.

    Miscavige recognizes it, even if it is too late for him and probably for the church as well.

    It shows that there still can be a lot of power in one mic, one voice.

  99. Galactic Patrol! Or, should I say, Mr. Shelton! I saw you come out on Tony O’s site, but had seen your posts under GP for a few years before I started to actively get involved in spreading the word about this holocaust in America. Thank you, as well, for having the courage to straighten your back. It is through people like you that Co$ will crash down – in this generation, I hope.

    Godspeed to you, and the others who are known to Co$ and still stand out.


  100. I agree. The power is in the postulates not the number per se.
    Sometimes I envision what could happen the moment the 500th person is going on the list and what postulates are becoming effective.

  101. Thanks, Cindy. Feels way better to be declared than under-the-radar.

  102. Yes, something is ‘fishy’. The supposed ‘suppressed speech’ seems like a very concisely crafted bit of propaganda, a ‘a party line’, (which is not to say it may not be quite accurate in depicting the actual scene on this planet). Lorde does not seem at all like the kind of person who would have written it or even delivered it.

    So someone used it and used her Grammy as tools to publicize these views? I wonder if a denial from her is forthcoming?

  103. That is my point. What is so exclusive about Marty & Monique? They are like ANYBODY’s neighbors that live next door. Anybody’s friends that live across the street. Any acquaintance once might bump into a store. The basic difference (if one can perceive it) they are 2 very OT people that have the right to be there because they have the knowledge to better people with. Everybody likes, win or lose. But, DM and the church make a strange point of it, as if they have never even seen anyone walk a dog before or wash their car. Doesn’t that seem odd? I would rather have Marty & Monique for neighbors instead of the Flag Land Base I was neighbors with once. The people at Flag I have never become acquainted with to this day evern after training and auditing. But fellow church members like myself somehow always seem to become and remain friends. It is hard to believe the Church of Scientology is about creating understanding and trust between people and DM is their fatwa. 🙂

  104. I meant fellow EX-church member like myself, NOT church members per se. Excuse please. 🙂

  105. Robert Almblad

    Ian…. interesting viewpoint. So, the Co$ is just a feeder org to the Scientology field?

  106. Security solution:

    If you can not obtain a security envoy from your local police,

    We can set up a “Go Fund Me” site with your attorney as the trustee to hire off duty police for escort. I wouldn’t know how to present of these, but Marc Headly managed it with tons of support from your blog. And he just had a debt to pay, he wasn’t in a security risk situation. I am sure he would be willing to pay it forward by setting up the site for you. Karen is an artist at media and translating across film.

    Let’s get something together that could also be shown on local media across the nation. So others across the planet could donate to this cause and we could get some security in place for you and your family.

    There are security and body guard companies locally that could be hired.

    I am a member of the Veterans of Foreign Wars (due to family) and I can also contact the local VFW to seek out volunteers.

  107. martyrathbun09

    Wouldn’t use them if provided. We’ve been under 24/7/365 multi-media oppression coverage – at home and away – for five years running. I was simply letting the world know of his latest; by no means asking for, or implying, we need any help. But, thanks.

  108. Just remembering what they did to Marc Headley is still a shock to me. Running him off the road on his motorcycle while he was trying to escape, on a PUBLIC HIGHWAY he had every right to be on? They actually took a chance on KILLING him before they were willing to let him go! God only knows what would have happened to this guy if a passer by hadn’t called police! This is NOT funny or amusing.

    We do NOT want to be sitting around in a our homes thinking we could have done something to prevent an accident and we just stared like spectators!

  109. Isn’t going to happen. The man is oblivious to consequences. And I think a high majority of staff in the Church are too. At the highest levels they let a woman rot in a room until she was dead and not one single person called 911 for an ambulance. Who does that?


  111. And just like ancient India with a welcome to all paths, this is America where freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of press and freedom of religion is our sacred trust to civilization.

    Tyranny, your clay feet are cracking!
    Miscavige, you’ve picked a fight with the wrong crowd.

    We Americans do not give up our liberty like a lamb to slaughter.

    You have a fight heading your way.

    The idea of freedom and liberty will crush your ignorant power hungry self created delusion.

    You have doctrines floating around in your consciousness that is part of on old world mentality.

    The power you hide behind is betraying you at every turn.

    You have picked a fight with an idea.

    Liberty: it kicks ass when necessary.

  112. Elizabeth Hamre

    Oracle… ”Who does that?” very good question….very very good in did. In my reality those can do it who’s reality totally different and can ignore what the ”eyes sees” and the words which can be heard by the ears those too are ignored. [ this is fantastic, thanks for asking] The reality they live in has become solid that it overrides other beliefs, pushes it aside. I can see that it is not ”aware” being who is in charge but a robot. One cant fight such a solid picture, one cant reason with it and change that solidity. The blind belief is just that, blind. Their belief is not what they know now, but what that knowledge [when first time connected into it] keyed them into on the track. Agreement it self, going into any form agreement regardless for what reason: those reasons are on the track.. every one of them, agreements are based on implants. My reality 🙂 And by now when I run into a robot like those I do recognise the condition… You know Oracle, by now I have found out that I can have a wonderful conversation with a boulder but never with a robot.. Boulders, or trees, a cat or a bird or many different other shapes, solid forms can be on anchor for a most enlightened entity! 🙂

  113. Waste Report on David Miscavige

    David has spent MILLIONS of dollars to harm attack and suppress two, now three, one an infant, non Church members.

    His goal was to ensure these people would forfeit their civil, human, and religious rights to live in quiet enjoyment, practice their own religion, speak to their fellow man and fellow peers. Although they have conducted their lives in an orderly manner and have no other complainants in their community against them or attacking them.

    While the Church turns a little ten year old girl into a professional and able beggar and praises her, David blows out millions in an unattainable goal. He joined the Church when he was twelve and he himself has made a cottage industry off of people interested in what Hubbard had to teach.


    He is not aware of conditions in society as he never completed the ninth grade. He does not know about laws or why we have them. He doesn’t read books.

    While some little girl is out being awarded plaques for begging, he is spending hard earned beggar cash on his attorneys and legal problems he creates through ignorance and illiteracy. He is immersed in crime through his illiteracy. He also hits on the Scotch more often than not. Why hasn’t A.B.L.E. been able to resolve this?

    A.B.L.E. too is just wasting a dedicated staff member by permitting him to continue on flagrantly wallowing in drugs crime and illiteracy!

  114. Elizabeth Hamre

    Oracle, “Isn’t going to happen.” It will happen but there is no ”TIME”’, therefore the confrontation of ones own creation: when that will happen is not limited to the body this person is anchored now. All postulates happen, but one never knows when.
    “When the time is right” means all other particles=conditions are in place to make that postulate a reality.

  115. Jean-François Genest

    David Miscavidge is a misanthrope / misanthropist.
    Thus, I rename him David Misanthorpe, COB of the Church of Misanthropy.

  116. And Marty the best thing to come out of this is your kid. Can you imagine how enlightened and sharp that child of yours is going to grow up to be with 2 parents like you and Monique? I would give my right arm for 2 parents that disagree with RCS and can explain to me! 🙂 Oh, and Marty, excuse me, by the way, I beg your pardon, a message from me and Karen, perhaps your child might like to be vegetarian? 🙂 Well who knows, you will have to ask I guess! 🙂 But no RCS is a given! 🙂

  117. “…I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” – Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, September 23, 1800[1]

  118. “I have found out that I can have a wonderful conversation with a boulder but never with a robot.. Boulders, or trees, a cat or a bird or many different other shapes, solid forms can be on anchor for a most enlightened entity!”


  119. I am on the same page with you about communication to terminals. I have conversations with animals every day. Robots I steer toward something mechanical.

    I have some strange ideas of my own that probably will not go over too well here. There is a price to pay for rent on this planet. And when a person is no longer of any value as a human to others, he becomes other things that are of value to others.

    The first thing I did after I finished solo, was to go around and hold the cans and touch other things to see the reads. It was the only way I could I believe it. I became amazed. I found out everything is full of life. Even things that do not move.

    Not certain where David Miscavige will find himself in his next life. But I am sure he will become useful to someone.

  120. About the activities of David Miscavige in Texas, there is an article in a former issue of the “Scientology News” magazine with photos and speech of David Miscavige inaugurating the Ideal Org of Dallas. I don’t know if that is useful, but in case of.

  121. “Eternal hostility”?
    So he tyranised his own mind in favour of … what exactly?

  122. In the LA area Trey Lots is good. I have sent an OT 7 friend to him and he is very happy with the results.

  123. Awesome reference on mistakes!

  124. This may be the most beneficial one for David.

  125. SadStateofAffairs

    Marty, and Mike Rinder, as another example, are people that Miscavige ultimately could not beat down into a submissive state, unlike long-term victims of the MIscavige control process such as Heber, Yager, LeServe, etc. I don’t Miscavige can stand such a result (uncowed asssociates/former associates) and for that reason obsessively carries on trying to dominate, intimidate and nullify them. It’s his only real method of handling life and people.

  126. I thought all this time he was a suckologist; COB of the Church of Suckology. He who will not be named seems to like to refer to SCOHB so that must be where I went astray ………..

    As has been mentioned elsewhere, it still sucks to be Him, even if he has now changed practices to Misanthropy.

  127. Elizabeth Hamre

    It is great fun to discover the Universe with understanding and that understanding was because of LRH.
    To me OT 3 material did not read, had reality on but the discovery-understanding about beings with out body that has such a huge affect.. I walked an air for weeks after that.. I believe I have re-entered the so called universe where one operates without the body… I left the church because of these beings and my love for them… I continued to solo on my own after OT 7 and I bragged to some one of my great cognitions, that I was having after each session and I was flying. I was reported of course and ordered to go to Flag..
    There I was roasted by CL 12 but I only had F/N’s 🙂 after those grueling questions. 🙂
    I knew I was winning. But I was ORDERED BY THE Senior C/S to STOP what ever I was doing because Blah-blah… I could not see that since I was winning and cognitions were there after each solo session. So I left the church and never looked back.
    Yes, the universe is a wonderful place. a grand playground.
    I have explored every avenue concept, considerations I have had what it is like when used one as a anchor or what it was not having connections to bodies.. In my reality one seldom has one, and one mostly operates without any connection to a body.
    I have a large black nephrite turtle on my coffee table, it is a ancient carving, we convers.. he is not inside but occupies the space and uses that rock as on anchor.. very wise entity , grand company. 🙂
    Have a lovely day!

  128. Elizabeth Hamre

    Beside the Folks who you mentioned, there are the tens of thousands who left the church and these people could not be controlled either.. one of them is you, right? 🙂

  129. “I continued to solo on my own after OT 7…”

    You are referring to the original (“old”) OT 7, rather than Solo NOTs, the New OT 7. Right?

  130. Seriously. Miscavige suffers from Aspergers syndrome! Jesus.

  131. This is better for children than anything L Ron Hubbard had to offer

  132. I too have my crimes and we all have good and evil within us:
    Given the circumstances I could have fallen for Scientology:

  133. This song is about a woman being gang-raped as a plot device for her boyfriend learning to beat people up. I’ve never thought of it as a good example.

  134. Torquemada – do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada – do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada – do not ask him for mercy. Let’s face it, you can’t Torquemada anything!

  135. Elizabeth Hamre

    Marildi .. yes the old OT level and I done NOT’s too.
    By now I have a reality that long as a concept is there and that concept is anchored down by energy mass and I experience that than I can have a session regardless who was the originator.
    And only on Planet Earth where owner ship matters, who owns what and ownership applies to solid objects, to things only.
    Marildi… there are no levels in reality, going by levels have its use when one study the materials or selling a product.

  136. Erxsebet:
    Wonderful hearing about your adventures, good and bad.You and I, it seems, are both fortunate in that we were not particularly troubled by BTs. Some are not so lucky. I believe OT-3 should not be a one size fits all. That what is needed is very different from one to the other.

    I have been aware from time to time of beings who had their attention near me but not enturbulated by them. I have been looking back at times and have seen ‘memories’ that I recognized as not being my own. Some become overwhelmed by everyone’s bank flooding in on them.

    I have discovered a love of all people and things which seems to make communication with others not enturbulating, whether attached to a body or not. I think that is one of the keys to completely handling the OT-3 / Solo NOTs area. There can be beings who have their attention on you, but you do not have to be enturbulated by their trying to enforce their comm lines. You CAN just TR-0 these lines. Affinity with all life is a big part of it. Love them until they cease to be a problem, rather than trying to get them away from you. Expand, rather than contract.

    I have also discovered that there is a complete difference in an ARC break and choosing not to communicate. That was a great revelation when it occurred. Comm lines can be released without an ARC break, from present time comm lines, and also stuck comm lines from far back. That was one of the original intents of OT-8. It’s good to be able to relax after holding on to all these strings for so, so long.

    Love, Mark

  137. We (and I Marty) often forget Mark and Monique are Parents now
    My love to you:

  138. Not a stab in the back butv love this song

  139. I have respect and for ADMIRATION for Jenna Miscavige

    As a human being I am so flabbergasted by her total heroïsm, She is a hero

    I put her above me

  140. Good for you! Fly high Elizabeth!

  141. Has anyone heard anything more about the Scientology Executive who conspired to kill a police officer in Las Vegas?


  142. David Miscavige is not an only one. He is THE Only One.

    Your communication, Marty, threatens his “status” as the only being who has the right to call the shots without any opposition of any kind. Every one else on the planet can be dismissed or controlled or manipulated in some way that gives him a win. You, however, have looked directly at him. You have viewed the thetan behind the mock up. You do know who he really is.
    And you were not afraid.

    He vaguely senses that you see beyond his mock up. And since he has completely closed terminals with his mock up, and has become it, he senses that you are fully capable of destroying him. You might be the only person on the planet that he actually fears. Behind the cocky bravado, he’s terrified of you. So terrified that if he had to face you, he would likely pee his pants and go utterly psycho.

    Well, that’s my opinion.

  143. Marty once was an Inspector general:

  144. Jenna Miscavige Hill:

  145. Elizabeth Hamre

    Mark please don’t misunderstand I had many-many sessions auditing BT’s and Cluster… I just never been afraid of them since there is nothing to fear.. I call these entities without the body Free Beings and I am fortunate feel rich because they have shared their experiences with me and their cognitions were mine and because of that I realised that my cognitions have been duplicated by these Entities. We live in a Universe without boundaries where communication need no electrically established lines but flows freely 360% direction. Now that is OT power, not mine but ours!..

  146. “the one thing is true is what’s true for you”

  147. Elizabeth Hamre

    MARK, I never have refused any Free Being communication, not once.. If and when my attention was captured I paid attention to that source. Our universes are very different yes, but I do not consider self to be fortunate, better, more valuable, or above any one.. Every Entity is just that, intangible and infinite can be aware if chose to be aware. What one is aware of , what one creates and experiences in the moment of creation. There is no more, simply no more outside of those added altering considerations which is also happening in that moment of creation and experienced the same time.

  148. Elizabeth Hamre

    Knowing that I am not flying alone, now that is the cats whiskers. I live with a wonderful critter, she has not thrown me out yet so I must be OK in her book! But of course secretly she knows I hold the key to goodies. 🙂 Her name is Sanifar.

  149. Folks,

    Let’s face the facts. LRH was a megalomaniac and his successor was and is a criminal psychotic/sociopath.

    Don’t forget, though, that EVERY written and recorded word from Ron is indisputable holy scripture. Why? ‘Cause he said so.

    His (LRH) protege (DM) is merely carrying out immutable policy.

    It’s insane.

    I know……………..

  150. I Niels Martens say that The Church of Scientology does Child Abuse

  151. Marty, you’re the best lifeguard out there. What happens when a lifeguard
    goes into the deep water to rescue a drowning man or woman? They try to
    grab him by the throat and pull him under. Lifeguards learn to deflect these
    panicked lunges; turn the person around, and pull them safely to shore. All these people in the CO$ are drowning in the lies and suppression. Plus, they have a demented midget trying to push them further down.Unfortunately a lot of the people out of the CO$ go for your throat, too. They struggle with their own unrealities.
    Keep going out into the deep water, Marty. Its surely the right thing.

  152. Huh? Jefferson wasn’t tyrannizing his own mind at all. He was pledging to fight against all tyranny over the mind of men and women. That’s a powerful quote right up there with give me liberty or give me death.

  153. “LRH was a megalomaniac” is a PR positioning, not a fact.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist

  154. I hit enter too fast. There is more false PR in Mr. Gallagher’s comment:

    David “Darth Midget” Miscavige was never Ron Hubbard’s “protege”. That claim comes from him and nobody else. DM was not even a Watch Messenger and the only experience he had working personally with Ron Hubbard was as a Cine Crew Cameraman.

    DM couldn’t care less about Ron Hubbard’s policies, plans or desires except in the case where those can be used or twisted to support his own personal agenda. The Friends of LRH site has a page full of side-by-side comparisons of Hubbard’s policies and technical issues versus what DM actually does.

    Mr. Gallagher is either completely misinformed or running PR air cover for DM.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist

  155. Jean-François Genest

    Well, *He* sure isn’t in affinity with human beings, neither is the reversed Church. Quite knavish. The purposes are money-driven. No money-no affinity. Should the British Anthem be re-written to: “God Save DM” ?
    ** Please donate to the ISA ! **
    It is very expensive to finance those 22 lawyers + clowns hanging around the courthouse, the Rathbun home, etc.

  156. Jean-François Genest

  157. Jean-François Genest

  158. Karen,
    As you know I have never been in the SO, have never been at the int base, and never spent time in Miscavige’s immediate space.
    You and Marty were both prisoners behind enemy lines. The enemies were claiming to be the very best friends of all. But they are what they are. And you both escaped.
    Thank you for helping me to understand what you and Marty and others went through. I’m so glad that you both escaped.
    And thank you both for all you do to free others.

  159. Jean-François Genest

    Is she the daughter of Ronnie Jr. (former Marketing Exec. International) ?

  160. Yes Oracle, That would be Ms. Devon Newman. It’s in the news that says most recently she cut a plea bargain deal and the judge gave her 1 year of probation on a lessor charge which wasn’t even a felony. A good deal for her. But I’m sure the guy she was connected to who it seems was causing most of the trouble will be in prison for a good spell. I knew Devon back in 1987-1988.

  161. Thanks Marty for posting the links to some of your earlier articles on this blog. I read some of them again over the past day and they are very refreshing. I think I like the one you wrote titled “Confront of Evil” the best.

  162. Quotes from:
    Justice – 1 May 1969

    “When justice becomes slow, when it becomes expensive and when false reports on people and groups are allowed to go unchallenged and unpunished, any ideology becomes a tyranny.”

    “The major breakdown of Western democracy is its habit of carelessly basing legal actions on false reports.”

    (Just consider the perjury the Church has already entered into this court case)

    “Anyone can say anything about anybody and police powers and courts are liable to act on reports so false that a child could see through the lie.”

    (Here he seems to be for telling of Miscavige’s recent blunders in court)

    “In February 1969, I isolated the false accusation, false report and failing to confront the accused with his accusers as the basic breakdown of justice. These undermine personal security and involve the whole judiciary in endless, needless traffic.”

    (Isn’t this exactly what David Miscavige is doing today?)

    ” Innocent people are subjected to press attacks, court procedures, endless expense and ruined lives by these factors alone.”

    (Exactly what the Church has been doing to Monique.)

    ” So flagrant is this abuse that it destroys for one and all the value of the cause of democracy.

    When justice becomes slow, when it becomes expensive and when false reports on people and groups are allowed to go unchallenged and unpunished, any ideology becomes a tyranny.

    So great are these factors in the disruption of loyalty and creation of revolutionaries that no government that permits them is safe.

    This is, in fact, a new philosophic breakthrough in the field of jurisprudence. The great importance of the false report in breaking down a nation’s social structure and its cause has not been understood.”

    (The Church’s social structure has been broken down through the same scenerio)

    Most of the internal conflict in a country is caused by individuals and groups defending themselves against false reports.

    (Most of the internal conflict in the Church is caused by individuals and groups defending themselves against false reports.)

    ” In a period where governments “seek to capture the minds of men” a great deal of reform will have to be done.

    Human rights have as one of their threats the false report. Yet there is no adequate practical recourse. Suits for libel? Forget them. They cost more than anyone can afford, take forever to try and leave the public with the false reports even when they are won.”

    (Just survey the false reports issued by O.S.A. and their plants)

    “As false reports tear down the security of the individual and small group, these then have to assert themselves. They do so in their turn by attacking.”

    (Just survey the false reports issued by David Miscavige and the Church)

    To save itself a nation must permit direct legal action which is fast and inexpensive so that an individual or group can legally protect itself from false reports.

    Only if the “free” world reforms its human rights, will it have a cause worth fighting for, worth supporting. Otherwise its public and social groups will desert it to any other cause without even much examining it.

    (Here is David trampling all over human rights.)

    “The virtues of patriotism, loyalty and devotion to the government are not dead by some strange social decay. They are dead because people feel their government no longer protects them, even attacks them..”

    ( And the virtues of patriotism, loyalty and devotion to the Church are not dead by some strange social decay. They are dead because people feel their Church no longer serves them, no longer protects them, even attacks them..)

    “This was true of all US minority groups and is true of religious and racial minority groups in far too many countries. So they form a core of resistance and unrest. They are nervous and defensive.

    Then as the situation worsens, many social groups begin to react to false reports against them again, unable to obtain justice fast enough to prevent more damage.

    About that time the officials better look to their foreign bank accounts and decamp. For that government, even while still functioning, is no longer the government of its people. It is their enemy. Any revolutionary movement will be joined. These are the mechanics of revolution.”

    (About this time the officials better look into the Church’s foreign bank accounts and decamp. For that Church, even while still functioning, is no longer the Church of its people. It is their enemy. Any revolutionary movement will be joined. These are the mechanics of revolution.)

    ” People will stand for an awful lot. Then one day patriotism is dead. Because the government no longer has a cause the majority believe in or will fight for.

    The principles of not accepting false reports and confronting one with his accusers and their accusations before punishing actions of any kind are so strong that if the West accepted them, and scrupulously practiced them, IT WOULD HAVE A CAUSE GREAT ENOUGH TO SURVIVE.”

    ” Our position is this: We are standing up and befriending Western powers, trying to get them to pull up their honor and justice before the mob gets to them and tears them to bits.”

    L. Ron Hubbard

    WHO and WHAT has become the hallmark of injustice? The Church of Scientology. WHO and WHAT is trying to get them honest and straight to little or no avail? The Western Powers Hubbard once thought suppressed others, are now the ones we turn to for help against the constant pathological lying, abuse and terrorism from the Church. Who and WHAT is false reporting? Who and WHAT is false reporting? The self titled “religious leader” of the Church. David Miscavige.

  163. WHO and WHAT is the mob tearing apart? David Miscavige, sole proprietor
    of the Church of Scientology, and his Church and it’s members.

  164. “Whenever there is an excessive commotion amongst a people against its government, the government is then invited to act as an opponent to the people. If a government is acting towards its people as though it were an opponent of the people and not a member of the team, it becomes obvious that many of these points which violate the customs of the people must exist in the law codes of the country. Wherever such a point exists turbulence results.

    And that is justice.” Hubbard

    Guess what? Whenever there is an excessive commotion amongst a people against its Church, the Church is then invited to act as an opponent to the people. If a Church is acting towards its people as though it were an opponent of the people and not a member of the team, it becomes obvious that many of these points which violate the customers must exist in the law codes of the community. Wherever such a point exists turbulence results. And that is justice.

    The Church has gone wildly out ethics and has been an opponent of it’s members for decades with false reports and misrepresentations and failures to deliver what was promised.

    And David is down in Texas targeting someone who has never even been a member of the Church! THAT is how wildly out ethics the Church has become. Ordering it’s members to commit perjury and file false report after false report!

  165. Erzsebet.
    Perhaps I worded my previous post poorly. I wanted to impress the fact that there is a fundamental difference in breaking, blocking, refusing communication and simply not interacting with communication.

    One can grant beingness to comm, TR-0 it, allow it to exist, allow it to pass without any enturbulation, case, obsession or compulsion or reaction.

    George Burns said, as he played the part of God in the movie ‘Oh God’, when John Denver asked if he heard every voice of everyone, he said: “I hear, I don’t always listen.”

    Blocking, refusing, being the effect of communication is at the opposite end of the scale from simply allowing it to be without necessarily listening. This was what I meant was key to the final resolution to OT-3.

  166. Erzsebet;
    Also, as for you and I being ‘fortunate’, some individuals have had a lot of trouble with the so called Wall of Fire. There may be other areas of case which give me trouble. I will apply whatever attention is needed to resolve it when it comes up. A few minutes, a few years, no matter.

  167. Sinar wrote:

    There is no Golden Age or renaissance with Miscavige, he is still applying the medieval, dark ages and barbaric “Head on a Pike” routine, as the Pope applied the Inquisition to handle the heretics.”

    Miscavige applies it just as he was taught to do by L Ron Hubbard.

    I’m sure you know that. I just want to make sure that we always acknowledge “Source”.

    Hip! Hip!!


  168. She is the daughter of David his brother.

  169. Ummm, not exactly. I did a Red Cross Senior Life Saving Course once upon a time. They taught us to surface swim to victim, always keeping them in sight then when close but still well out of reach; dive below them to take hold of their ankles from behind; and climb up their back side whilst maintaining a firm hold. This method prevents them from having any chance at seizing the rescuer.

    Using this technique, I once saved a drowning drunkard at Pirate’s Cove on the North side of Point Dume in Malibu, California. He was maybe 25 yards outside the surf line during very bad storm surf conditions from a Mexican hurricane. I’m glad I was properly trained, even though I was not a “lifeguard”.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist

  170. Michael,

    It is my conclusion and contention that the statements I made above have validity and state truths.

    Hubbard has been revealed to be the king of hyperbole. Moreover, regards Pope “Darth Midget”, violence and cruelty are attributes that are known and documented anecdotally that doesn’t need repeating. (Hint chain lockers and children.)

    I’ll reiterate that LRH was a brilliant megalomaniac and his successor was and is a criminal psychotic/sociopath.

    Not to be overlooked is that Hubbard was the author, designer and director of this continuing nightmare. As fucked-up as MissCabbage is, he, none-the-less, is not the Founder.

    The last time I gave a “HIP HIP HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!” was about 1995. The following quote reflects my view.

    “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” – Mark Twain

  171. Who / What would lie, lie, lie, harm attack, slander suppress perjure and do so with any consideration as to consequences? It is true we have sociopaths but we also have Narciopaths. There is a difference between them. But they do exist and when you have in your life in some capacity that you can view, such as a relative or workplace mate, the manifestations are blatant and true to form.

    Narcissistic Personality Disorder is characterized by a long-standing pattern of grandiosity (either in fantasy or actual behavior), an overwhelming need for admiration, and usually a complete lack of empathy toward others. People with this disorder often believe they are of primary importance in everybody’s life or to anyone they meet. While this pattern of behavior may be appropriate for a king in 16th Century England, it is generally considered inappropriate for most ordinary people today.

    People with narcissistic personality disorder often display snobbish, disdainful, or patronizing attitudes. For example, an individual with this disorder may complain about a clumsy waiter’s “rudeness” or “stupidity” or conclude a medical evaluation with a condescending evaluation of the physician.

    In laypeople terms, someone with this disorder may be described simply as a “narcissist” or as someone with “narcissism.” Both of these terms generally refer to someone with narcissistic personality disorder.

    A personality disorder is an enduring pattern of inner experience and behavior that deviates from the norm of the individual’s culture. The pattern is seen in two or more of the following areas: cognition; affect; interpersonal functioning; or impulse control. The enduring pattern is inflexible and pervasive across a broad range of personal and social situations. It typically leads to significant distress or impairment in social, work or other areas of functioning. The pattern is stable and of long duration, and its onset can be traced back to early adulthood or adolescence.

    Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder
    In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:

    Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
    Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
    Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
    Requires excessive admiration
    Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
    Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
    Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
    Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
    Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
    Because personality disorders describe long-standing and enduring patterns of behavior, they are most often diagnosed in adulthood. It is uncommon for them to be diagnosed in childhood or adolescence, because a child or teen is under constant development, personality changes and maturation. However, if it is diagnosed in a child or teen, the features must have been present for at least 1 year.

    Narcissistic personality disorder is more prevalent in males than females, and is thought to occur in up to 6.2 percent of the general population.

    Like most personality disorders, narcissistic personality disorder typically will decrease in intensity with age, with many people experiencing few of the most extreme symptoms by the time they are in the 40s or 50s.

    Learn more about the symptoms and characteristics of someone with narcissitic personality disorder.

  172. By the way, this is where you find the “tech “experts” and “specialists”” that have never completed the required check sheets or internships for the services they are selling. This is where you find DM C/Sing and acting as Inspector General of tech with a grade lV education. ” Know best” tech “experts” out in the field selling and delivering services they have never done a check sheet for interned on. Grade lV auditors selling themselves off as class lV or Class Xll “specialists”. People claiming to be delivering OT lX , X, 26 and 87. Whatever. Number ONE:

    Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

  173. Hey David Miscavige, you can’t control nothing

  174. Not fair to people with Aspergers

  175. The Church of Scientology, as an entity, and it’s current members, dramatize NPD.

    A. Requires excessive admiration

    Anyone who questions criticizes doubts or complains is declared suppressive.

    B. Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations.

    How else could they float on begging? “Give to us because we deserve it with out owning any exchange”. “Pay us to to be a “member”.”

    C. Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends.

    Just look at the conditions of the staff and public.

    D. Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.

    Known as “altitude” and “status”. I had an email a few days ago, someone in the Church completed an auditing action and attained the E.P.. They are not being allowed to attest until they disconnect from people on Facebook.

    E. Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).

    Hence we have the status’ of the whales today and the “inner circles” from the Int Base all the way down to the streets. With O.S.A. thinking they are on par with the F.B.I. and C.I.A..

    F. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements).

    Here we see the PR web press releases of the I.A.S. and the false reports chanted by David Miscavige at the events. Where everyone is gathered NOT to applaud themselves for getting up the bridge or auditing another person, but to applaud the Church and David for accomplishments that are not even real.

    G. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.

    Take over the planet, clear the planet, we are mankind;s only hope, the lives of every man woman and child depend on us, begging.

    H. Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.

    This is where anyone that complains or does not want to pay more or pay again or drifts off is instantly declared or investigated. The witch hunts on the customers and Mission Holders that create mass exodus.

  176. Elizabeth Hamre

    Mark Hi…. it takes what ever it takes and it takes persistence to recall and confront. One of my most difficult session was confronting’ ‘Hell and Satan” I have written that session up and it is in the blog. I session: 3days.. But the auditing Tech can handle any energy mass regardless how one name that mass… Most fun, great adventure to recreate once more in the new unit of time and finally understand how I have made that mass and why I made that mass, and for what reason I have kept that mass etc.. etc.. 🙂

  177. Oracle:
    Brilliant paper. This is worthy of wide dissemination. But that is common for you.

  178. Alanzo:
    I would invite you to go over recent posts by The Oracle.

  179. Intresting video, thank you

  180. Elizabeth Hamre

    YES…. But “G. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.” these can be on achievement but not if the other beliefs, reality is in place. Since that kind of beliefs do not have the same energy mass as success, brilliance, or ideal love.
    Oracle please note I left out ”power” because in my understanding of power is not as same as in human understanding. Power is actually force against force here on Earth. Mass pushes other mass, replace it.

  181. Elizabeth Hamre

    Oracle, hehehe you right again.. I was told by one CL 8 auditor that OT 7’s are not very well off and that is evident because they cant even tie up their own shoe laces… 🙂 got to be true because I have given up buying those shoes after OTVII and switched to loafers: I just could not walk around stepping and tripping on the lose laces all the time.. To many bloody nose.. 🙂 [ the other choice was to pick up those tomato cans once more] after all, I had to audit out those brain rattling falls I had!
    [ I hope you don’t mind me having a bit of fun here]
    PS: yes the superiority, feeling above all, being valuable, knowing more than any one else, being better than others ,elite group member and few dozen other related concepts too had to be confronted to be able to step out of the OT -church mentality.
    But I had to handle all that 4 flows and go dig the basic out in different place and time
    Holding tomato cans do the trick every time, one can have wonderful spiritual experiences [ some call these illusions and that too is correct] I believe that they have magical power! Have a lovely day!

  182. Elizabeth Hamre

    Oracle.. the grandiose feeling, that what one can do is not from what one can achieve here pushing around some condensed energy-mass, but one has reality inner knowingness that, yes I can because I have achieved. Same with the believes that cant die have that inner feeling, and when these persons realise that they will die, that is a total loss, fear-desperation takes over and the need to change that condition somehow.
    The knowingness is taken over by the though beliefs that we die… because we thought that we do… but only the body stops working, kicks the bucket.
    Please keep it in mind that all achievement no matter how small or grand have ever been exhibited in solid form first was a thought, picture, called imagination, illusion.

  183. Explain to me in how far “fighting” tyranny or “eternal hostility” is a solution to anything.
    It’s the same pattern as “shattering suppression”. Won’t take you anywhere close to a solution.

  184. There is strength in union. Remember the Aesop fable “The Bundle of Sticks”?
    An old man on his deathbed calls in his sons for some last advice. He asks a servant to bring in a bundle of sticks. “Try to break it,” he asks a son. The son tries and tried and cannot break the bundle. “Each of you take one stick and try to break it,” the father says. Each son takes one stick and snaps it easily in two. Moral: There is strength in union.

    All my admiration to those with the courage to be the first. The more of us there are, the easier it gets. Not to mention that one can live with oneself again.

  185. Totally agreed Alanzo, there are many ways one can apply what one is “taught”. It wouid seem that you forgot you were taught the Hooray part as well.

  186. Very Very Well Done

    But now realize L ron Hubbard alsoo had people overboarded that couldn’t swim. Including children.

  187. LOL!

    It would seem that you forgot you were taught the Hooray part as well.

    I was thinking that was your job.

    I’ve always considered “Hip! Hip!!” the Scientology equivalent of “CAN I GET AN AMEN, CHILDREN!!!”

    We acknowledge Source, and then I say Hip!Hip!!, and YOU say “HOO_RAY!!!”


  188. I get what you are saying. It is true that being a member of the Church, one is expected to be preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, and ideal love. This is all all guaranteed “up the road”. “At the top of the bridge”. It is called “being upstat”. But this was not the way it was when I got involved. The “status” had not been introduced beyond the grade chart. It was simple then, people just wanted to get auditing or audit other people. We were fine to be hippies and druggies, poets, wanderers rebels and misfits. If anyone has bought the Church into being PTS to the middle class, it is David Miscavige.

  189. I agree the spiritual experiences have been worth a lifetime of effort. I feel very lucky to have stumbled across this path. I still point others to explore this path. Thank you for being here Elizabeth.

  190. I hear you. I think this is true for death as well. It must first be a goal, a purpose, “a thought, picture, called imagination, illusion.”

  191. Elizabeth Hamre

    Oracle ……Death? That concept, is only a consideration: which have been explored by me as I walked down on every avenue I have created over the eons, but to really understand the concept of ”death”’ one must find out the reason why one believes in ‘life” that one has one and one lives that creating period which spans from ‘’conception of the body till the sound of the last heart beat no longer can be heard” .
    We are magicians, performers.

  192. Elizabeth Hamre

    Thank you for sharing the universe with me.
    Some years back I have stumbled into a Universe and at my arrival I was greeted “I am what you are.”

  193. Elizabeth Hamre

    I do duplicate… but I also know we all find what we need to find in order to learn from that experience..

  194. There is no Court of Law on this planet that is going to absolve David “Darth Midget” Miscavige of his felonies and atrocities on the basis that Ron Hubbard (dead and his ashes scattered over 28 years ago) is somehow mind-controlling him from beyond the grave.

    Neither did Ron Hubbard make D.M. the wicked person he now is: according to the available reports from those who knew him years before he ever joined the Sea Org or met Hubbard he was hateful, spiteful person. He even punched a female preclear in session whilst on the Class IV Internship at St. Hill, for which he was summarily removed.

    DM was taking heavy steroids as treatment for his severe asthma. One of the known adverse reactions of those is the stunting of growth, which is plainly evident in his case. Another known adverse effect is violent mood swings, so that might possibly explain the origin of his behavior patterns, which were well established before he became a Commodore’s Messenger.

    In any case, the above article is about David Miscavige, not Ron Hubbard. Ron Hubbard is not the person obsessed with the Rathbuns. Ron Hubbard is not the person spending millions IA$ dollars stalking and harassing the Rathbuns. And, when all is said and done, it will be David Miscavige and not Ron Hubbard doing the perp walk when he is finally busted for his criminal acts or perhaps being locked in the rubber room or shot down (like the rabid cur dog he is) after he suffers a final psychotic break and maybe tries to mass murder the INT Base staff.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist

  195. martyrathbun09

    I beg to differ with this statement of yours: “There is no Court of Law on this planet that is going to absolve David “Darth Midget” Miscavige of his felonies and atrocities on the basis that Ron Hubbard (dead and his ashes scattered over 28 years ago) is somehow mind-controlling him from beyond the grave.” Every court of law since the death of Hubbard has absolved him (via his cult) on that very basis. That is the heart and soul of every ‘Constitutional’ argument his cult makes. He will continue to slide on this basis until such time that someone(s) with enough savvy, resources, stamina and staying power puts period to that streak.

  196. L Ron Hubbard made many people do wicked things in the Name of Scientology

    L Ron did steroids too by the way

  197. Alright, Marty. I suppose the situation could be viewed that way without too great a stretch.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist

  198. martyrathbun09

    CD – what is your source on the steroids? If none, can you chill on the wild rumor stuff. I don’t have much time to moderate these days, and like to keep this joint a place where folks can get some measure of truth.

  199. I get those “urges” to go back to this post of yours and I can’t explain it

    I know I saw it. Let me dive into it and come back or come back in a cloud of shame and admit it. Diving in

  200. I am a fool: It was Testorone

    “In Lisbon they gave him pain medication, which he took. He had been on testosterone, different antibiotics. I have never known him take anything like upper or downers or anything else.”

    But I will be a gopher


    19 August 1994

    Copyright (C) 1994 Andre Tabayoyon
    Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.


  202. It is contamination of Miscavige his drug use into L Ron Hubbards Legacy



    I feel stupid, but I will have a job to do correcting it.

    Thank you for correcting a wrong

  203. Funny Wiki stuff:
    Dianazene was the name given by L. Ron Hubbard to a vitamin supplement containing iron, Vitamin C, and various B vitamins, including especially large doses of niacin. Hubbard promoted it as a form of protection against radiation poisoning during the 1950s, saying that “Dianazene runs out radiation – or what appears to be radiation. It also proofs a person against radiation in some degree. It also turns on and runs out incipient cancer.” [1]

    In 1958, the Food and Drug Administration seized and destroyed 21,000 Dianazene tablets from the Distribution Center Inc, a company with ties to the Church of Scientology, because they were falsely labeled as a preventative and treatment for radiation sickness.[2][3][4]

    Vitamins continue to play a large role in the Scientology Purification Rundown and the secular version in the Narconon program, where it is similarly claimed that large quantities of niacin and other vitamins, combined with the heat in a sauna, can “purify” the body by allowing it to release toxins stored in cellular tissue and to “run out” or ameliorate prior radiation exposure including sunburn.[5]

  204. martyrathbun09

    Sorry, not credible. He was not in a position to know that.

  205. Just a find, and thank you for replying.

    Besides that pink and greys stuff is iffy too, I think it was just a joke of him

  206. Nevertheless, blaming Ron Hubbard for what David Miscavige has done and is now doing is sort of like … upon hearing reports that Josef Stalin is mass murdering the Georgians, blaming it all on long dead Vladimir Lenin. Running around disfiguring his statues and publicly railing against Lenin is not going to stop the Georgians from being starved to death. Neither is defaming Ron Hubbard and publicly railing against him going to halt or hinder the ongoing crime spree of David Miscavige in any way.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist

  207. To Marty Rathbun

    History has taught us that the world in general is not always self correcting. Evil, suppression, sociopaths, tyrants etc. may self destruct but as I mentioned before, not always in a reasonable length of time. Dark times in the past have often lasted for hundreds or thousands of years.

    People, generally are not basically evil nor particularly brave. Unless one is in the lens of attack, he generally just wants to get along and get by.

    But in all periods of history, there have been a few who would not stand by and watch his family and peers subjected to injustice. A natural sense of right and a driving desire to stop obvious wrong, despite personal danger and threatened loss of possessions. Those who love their fellows and have a serious pair of stones, whether male or female.

    By your actions, Marty, you have demonstrated to be one of the few.

    History has also revealed that a single individual is rarely successful against tyranny without assistance. A group working in concert can be much more effective. This is obvious.

    You have not asked for assistance on a broad scale other than a few papers and bits of data. I do not know your actual strategies. But I am certain there are a few individuals with the insight and necessity level to be of great help. You have access to a great network of able and motivated people. Your struggle is our struggle as well. By our writings, over time, you can tell which of us are sincere.

    A call to arms may or may not be your path, but is worth considering, whether leader, or ignitor. Since Independents are all on their own paths, it may seem like organizing us would be like herding cats. But united by a true and just purpose, you might just be surprised.


  208. Hi Cat Daddy.
    I am a Purif supervisor and an Independant who has put a lot of effort in observing just what is there.

    The primary property of niacin as relates to the purif is that it expands the capillaries, allowing increased blood flow deep into and out of tissues. This does have the effect of removing at least some chemicals which become stuck. There may or may not be other beneficial or perhaps harmful properties, but it does do this pretty well.

    I have seem many people greatly helped by this program. I have seen some who didn’t really need it. I have not personally seen persons harmed by this, other than time consumed. There have been reports of some problems, a couple of fatalities I believe?


  209. Cat
    I believe the original Dianazene included some speed. Bennies as I recall.

  210. I think it was in the spirit of that time

  211. Elizabeth Hamre

    Mark… calling for arms.. Oh.. a revolution… when there is confrontation, only one will remain in the space for which they aim, since I read someplace that not two object can occupy the same place.
    Have you lived through a revolution in recent time?

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