Going Clear Movie, Part 10

 

32 responses to “Going Clear Movie, Part 10

  1. It makes sense that poor Tony is trying to be Paulette Cooper. She’s one of the martred saints of the ASC. BTW there is some speculation that Freak Out was a CoIntelPro op run by CIs or Confidential Informants or more accurately Agent Provocatuers.

    • There were a number of GO executives or staff involved or in the know/complicit on that. Some of which were part of the actual approval and RUNNING of said op. Terry Milner, Dick Weigand, Jane Kember, Mary Sue Hubbard.

      Which one of these are speculated as being double-agents*?

      *double-agent as defined as working for one intelligence outfit – the G.O. – while actually working for another at the same time.

      • Freak Out was run by NY AGI not WW or USGO.

        See actual documents:

        http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/cooper/frk.html

        Where exactly do you find MSH, Kember, Milner, Weigland signing off?

        However to answer your question the most likely suspect would be Don Alverso who was working for the GO in B1 and just happened to be PCs roommate and who just happen to be the one who carelessly left the tools of his trade for the FBI to find.

        Not only that but despite the fact that he was connected to the break in at the D.C. IRS by Meisner’s Stipulation of Evidence was never indicted.

        Don’t you think that’s strange?

        • From Mike McClaughry –

          “Where exactly do you find MSH, Kember, Milner, Weigland signing off?”

          Just looking at the first document at the website you presented, you’ll notice it is routed to Dick and initialed as approved by DW – Dick Weigand.

          That said, I was an AGI. After Operation Freakout was over, I personally knew and had discussions with people at USGO who had been involved in it. That includes Don Alverzo and the guy at USGO who had run the thing. The AGI’s in the United States were under the command of their seniors at U.S.G.O. We were not allowed to just do whatever we felt like. Everything we did had to have approval from our seniors at U.S.G.O. In addition to a local AGI originating programs for black intelligence operations, our seniors at USGO would write their OWN programs for black operations or suggest ideas for black operations. So, it’s an incorrect idea that the responsibility for Operation Freakout falls totally on the head of the AGI in New York. I always had the idea that Don Alverzo was recruited by the USGO, not the AGI New York. When he got “done” doing Operation Freakout, he immediately went on staff at USGO. For all I know, he was already staff before that.

        • From Virginia –

          “Don’t you think that’s strange?”

          I think pretty much everything about Alverzo is strange.

          • It seems obvious that Alverso had some background in intel or law enforcement by the ease he carried out Black Bag jobs for the USGO.

            There is a special department “D” consisting of NSA, CIA and FBI used to break into Consulates and Embassies in a similar manner.

  2. Good run. glad I stayed out of the comments.

    • I retract my earlier statement, everybody missed the point and it has been an imense clusterfuck and asskissing contest without me.

      • Why is it that the nameless trolls always feel they have the “most important” opinions on any subject?

        From you to the Oracle to “Robin Adair” — you’re all fools if you think others should take you seriously.

        Virginia, Merrell, Marty and others are real people instead of other-determined phantoms with their fixed ideas located out in space somewhere.

        • I have never considered my views “important” in this theater. They are all relative. Apparently, you are the only one taking me seriously. You wouldn’t know me from a hole in the wall yet you describe me here in some mini bio, my wants, and needs, my attitudes. Demeaning me and someone else who just tune in for conversation, at best. Not yours and not your company. I am the phantom you describe. Other than that, anything you think you “know” about me, or a man sharing his ideas named Cat Daddy, is hallucinatory. Suggest you stop batting at phantoms and find someone real to suppress, humiliate and demean.

  3. I studied all the court cases involving Paulette Cooper while organizing the church’s legal files in 1979. There were numerous lawsuits by and against both parties. Later I listened to taped recordings of Cooper and church private eye Dick Bast in which Cooper gave a completely different story to Bast than the allegations in one of her lawsuits against the church.

    I recommended that Cooper’s deposition be taken in that particular lawsuit before the Bast tapes were made public. The idea being that she would either perjure herself in an effort to prove her case or admit the things she secretly told Bast and therefore disprove her claims. Either way, grounds would then exist to ask the court to dismiss the case.

    The idea was approved, and I flew to NY to brief the church’s lawyer on the plan. Cooper lied her ass off. Proven by her own (recorded) words that her allegations were false, the lawsuit was thrown out.

    I write about this in my book, Arrows in the Dark. (www.arrowsinthedark.com)

    Flash forward to 2013. Ortega reached out to me while working on his Paulette Cooper book. I advised him to pick a different subject, that while Cooper had been mistreated by the church, she also had dirty hands. I told him about her filing of false accusations against the church and later perjuring herself in an attempt to cover it up.

    I could have given him more dirt, but his reaction to this one example told me it wouldn’t matter. He was unfazed. He said Cooper had admitted to him that she had done some bad things to the church. “Like what?” I asked. A lot of things, he replied. He added that he was surprised by her candor. That’s all he would say. I didn’t read his book, but I’m willing to bet that Ortega omitted to tell the reader about her “bad things” and instead made the church out to be the total villain and her the total victim.

    • Very interesting.

    • Another interesting fact is that Saint Cooper was also funded by the AFF in her court battle against the Church of Scientology.

      Also as I’ve mentioned before there were several books that were even more critical of Scientology than “Scandal” such as Inside Scientology, Road to Total Freedom and Ali Smiles yet none of authors of these books received the same scrutiny and harassment from the GO that Cooper did.

      We look back and find PC was not actually a journalist as she claims but happened to be studying “Comparative Religions” at Harvard which is one of the many places contracted by CIA for their Mk Ultra program and was not only the source of Acid Guru Timothy Leary but the Unabomber as well AKA Ted Kaczynski.

      Funny that is as in strange that PC would later pose as a journalist with no actual degree in Journalism after posing as a person who was interested in Scientology and write the book the Scandal of Scientology which would make her a cause celebre of the Anti Cult Movement that was being directed by a board of directors consisting of former alumni of CIA’s mind control initiative and even stranger is that the GO would totally fixate on her and bring her more notoriety than she deserved for her badly written book.

      There are so many layers of deception involved in the whole incident that Back Page Tony and what Marty correctly calls the ASC who totally ignore it while granting her the level of Sainthood.

  4. Again, you say that Tony Ortega is ‘not there’ in the book ‘Going Clear.’ He is not in the index because, unlike in some books, the notes and the acknowledgements are not included in the index. Tony Ortega is thanked in the acknowledgements, mentioned in a footnote in the main text, and appears eight more times in the end notes. HE IS THERE. Why do you keep saying he isn’t?

    • Marty never said Ortega is “not there”. But here you are, insisting this is true. Marty did not foray into the index, end notes, or footnote. I laid out definitions and it is like talking to a wall. This is not something you are going to comprehend for reasons I don’t know and probably can not even understand.

  5. morelivesthanacat

    I guess then, Donald King, that you could say he is not in the main text–which is rather odd since he’s featured in the movie. Regardless, it seems you’re missing the whole point.

  6. I took Marty’s comment to mean that Ortega was not an interviewed subject or character in the text of the book. A viewer of this video doesn’t have to read the entire book to confirm that fact, they need only look in the index.

    Being interviewed on screen for the movie is the equivalent of being quoted and interviewed in the text of the book. Acknowledgements and footnotes in a book, on the other hand, is the equivalent of being named in the credits of a movie as a consultant.

    Marty’s point is accurate and valid. Ortega became a character in the movie though he hadn’t been one in the book. Moreover, Ortega was used in a clever manner by Gibney to add a false meaning and conclusions to bits and pieces of former member statements when Ortega himself had no personal experience with Scientology. Gibney pushed a false narrative in Going Clear — propaganda, in other words — is Marty’s larger point.

  7. Marty, to this day Miscavige locks up his top execs so they can’t report on his lies and abuses, you know the truth behind his spiritual, physical and emotional entrapment and abuse of others, he should be incarcerated for his crimes and it’s only a matter of time before this happens. He can’t keep hiding the truth when hundreds are speaking out against him, he will soon be on the run and hiding from the law just like LRH was……. the time is near now.
    Marty, go to the FBI and ask for immunity if you expose DM’s crimes.
    This way you won’t end up in prison with Miscavige. Save yourself while you can, then he will have no more blackmail material on you and no more hold over you……. It’s not too late. You can do it. We will support you all the way. Terri

    • Marty is not a criminal, as you announce. He does not need immunity from prosecution as you announce. Marty is not being blackmailed as you announce. Marty does not need to “save himself” from prison as you announce. There is not the slightest possibility Marty will end up in prison as you announce because he is not a criminal. Nobody “has a hold” over Marty as you announce. Seriously doubt if Marty would need to lean on you for “support” after your declares which bear false witness and flood the theater with more wrong items and imply he is a criminal evading the F.B.I. All false reports. Wrong items. Wrong whys. Wrong whos.

      Wrong ways.

    • If you have knowledge of executives that locked up so they can not report crimes, please contact law enforcement and file a report. Please give the names and address where they are being held.

    • Since your commenting here in the comment section here. My question is why didn’t you answer any of Randy MacDonald’s questions?

      According to Randy MacDonald writing under the nom de plume of Ashton Gray in his research series for his book Watergate the Hoax entitled Part III: The Mysteries of the History-Makers, Morocco 1972:

      http://www.chaletbooks.com/chaletreports/?p=47

      TERRI GILLHAM GAMBOA, Commodore’s Messenger: She was cc:ed on many of the questions about the alleged Morocco missions. She never answered any of them. She was asked directly whether she ever saw any communication coming from or going to L. Ron Hubbard about the so-called Postal-Telegraph-Telephone (PTT) mission, supposedly to train Moroccan Muslim postal employees on Hubbard’s study technology, taught in a course called the “Student Hat.” Even though she ostensibly was with Hubbard every day throughout the entire alleged mission, when asked the question all she said was: “No, it didn’t happen on my watch. Sorry can’t help with that one.”

      You also say that Ron was “on the run and hiding from the law”. Yet he had been living near Creston just outside of San Luis Obispo for several years after leaving La Quinta.

      Hardly “on the run”.

      Also if he was “hiding from the law” why would he request the services of Treasury Department’s BATF in devising a special ink for his Riverside Declaration:

      http://sc-i-r-s-ology.freiescientologen.de/documents/1983-05-15lrhdeclaration.html

      Finally what documents do you have to support any of your assertions or conjectures about Hubbard?

      As far as I can see you have offered nothing but hearsay.

      Regarding Miscavige. I’m not really interested in defending him but the fact remains that Rinder in the role of a Government Informant AKA Stool Pigeon couldn’t get the FBI to take him seriously because they couldn’t find any evidence of wrong doing.

      In other words claiming that crimes exist is different from actually proving their existence which neither you or Rinder have done.

      My suggestion is come back when you have actual documented evidence. Instead of spreading calumny.

    • Terri, since you seem to think you know what Marty knows, why don’t you yourself go to the FBI and ask for immunity if you expose DM’s crimes?

  8. Not long ago, I was watching a Netflix show called “Enlightened” staring Laura Dern. Nominated for Emmy’s etc. Only did two seasons but what struck me was THIS LINE: “Don’t try to save me” — from the ex-husband of the woman who had a serious meltdown/breakdown and went off to a yoga/guru/inspired place to “heal”

    The ex-husband had his own meltdown — became a drunk and now Laura Dern was trying to “save him”

    ————————————

    I have spent the better part of my life TRYING to “save the world, dolphins, friends, family, exes” the list is endless almost. And JUST recently have come to the terribly painful realization that the only person who can save someone is oneself.

    Those who “escaped” from INT, from SO did so based on reasons way too numerous to list. Each one had his/her OWN breaking point. And FIGURED out how to get the hell out of there.

    Even if it meant leaving without a nickel. Or leaving with a huge pay out or whatever.

    I’m heartbroken on a regular basis that family members are left behind, or mothers are forced to choose, or nephews are never met, and all the other stories.

    The abuses we humans foist on each other brings me to tears almost everyday …

    Life — contrary to what LRH taught about TOTAL CERTAINTY just isn’t possible — it’s more complicated than that.

    What IS possible are incremental stages of awareness — and some of those stages were illuminated by LRH … whether he borrowed it from other Eastern sources or not.

    And the horrible name calling from most of the blogs – is shocking. Some blogs owners don’t have to do the name calling — the allowed commenters do it for them.

    So they APPEAR to have taken the high road.

    But underneath every single comment and blog owner is this simple wish —

    To move towards happiness/pleasure and away from pain/suffering.

    Rant over.

    Windhorse

    • Oh — and try as I might to wish myself back to an age when I could have 1) gone back to college and finished 2) gotten a career and made $$ 3) saved $$ for my old age 4) spent time with my mother in a meaningful way before she died 5) grieved for my father AND mother when they died which is normal — not “case on post”

      ALL the things I wish had BEEN my life – are never going to BE my life.

      My life is only now moving forward and it’s a hell of a lot shorter (even if I live another 20plus years) than it would have been when I left the SO in 1980.

      It’s time to stop pointing fingers at each other. WE all share an experience that no one who wasn’t part of the SO or INT can experience.

      AND most certainly someone who never was part of scientology can understand.

      I hesitate to mention to people I meet that I was part of scientology cause all they want to hear about ARE THE CELEBRITIES.

      They don’t *really* care a bit about the abuses other than to say — whew — glad I’m not so easily duped. And yet — they too are bound up tightly in the cult of unawareness …

      Second rant over.

      Windhorse

      • “It’s time to stop pointing fingers at each other.”

        Some schools of thought say that what we resent in someone else is what we resent in ourselves. Something like that. I don’t know that I want to get into my own head that much, but the current conversation has caused me to take a look at my own bias and prejudice. When its all gone I’ll return and declare my own sainthood.

    • Good rant.

  9. Terri, Marty is a decent man. He’s gone through a lot of shit, some self appointed, some not. I’m sure he will eventually see who is suppressing who and will choose to help those who are being expressed. So I am with you in asking Marty to do the right thing.

    • Marty is already doing the right thing, to the best of his ability and knowledge. There’s nothing more we could ask of a person.

      See his blog post of yesterday (August 11) titled “Reactions.”

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