“Carl Jung stated the shadow to be the unknown dark side of the personality. According to Jung, the shadow, in being instinctive and irrational, is prone to psychological projection, in which a perceived personal inferiority is recognised as a perceived moral deficiency in someone else.”
Great to hear you on this blog. I don’t know much about Jung but you sent me to the references. Are you referring to his “Reply To Job”?
Brian, you are apparently insinuating that Marty is simply projecting. But you give no data to back up your remark – which would make it a mere cheap shot. It’s empty, like the childish taunt “I know you are but what am I? Naa-naa-naa naa-naa.”
Mike Rinder “creating (legal) precedents protecting Scientology.”
Maybe that has been the point all along?
Double agent or shrewd cynic for hire?
And the ACS jeers Marty and cheers Mike. Those who pipe up to a different tune get slaughtered.
Nobody else has noticed that the Debbie Cook trial was the last effective litigation and win against Miscavige? 2012/2013? Come up to present time already ASC people.
When I released the OSA NW Orders on April 30 of this year (perhaps one of the most embarrassing leaks for the church in some time) Mike Rinder rushed to downplay its importance, even saying it was “not real.” Then we found out he had inadvertently made use of the same pack in one of his articles six months earlier (using a title and date of a reference only available in this pack). Tony Ortega went as far as to claim I had put the author of the pack “in danger” (L. Ron Hubbard?).
I’m telling you, the ASC leadership has been doing things in the very same manner as Hubbard’s corporate Scientology. PR out front, hiding covert agendas in the background. The minute you poke anywhere close to these operations they go nuts, including the long-long running “isolate and attack Marty because he won’t play ball” operation which includes “operation DownVote” on Marty’s videos. Where have we seen *that* one before???
Speaking of shadows, I wonder if anyone else has dreamed of or perceived “shadow people.” I once had a vivid dream of such and my shadow people were slender, graceful, benign and aesthetically pleasing to look at. “Shadow Person” appears in wiki.
I wish I could pull that string of how that transcript “somehow wound up” with you”. No to be adversarial, there’s a lot of interesting data in these videos, but there seems to be more to the story.
Marty Rathbun’s Youtube commentaries on critics of scientology is long overdue. What is interesting to me is that Rathbun is sort of doing, in part, something similar to that his critical counterpart is doing, criticizing discrediting and undermining others. Not sure why Rathbun would choose that as something to use his life for but it’s his life, so have at it.
One notable difference between Rathbun and his critical counterpart is that Rathbun is NOT galvanizing and preying on any misanthropic old angry characters who clicks into the father critic’s internet site, looking for a place where they can raise their fists in anger and express hatred and cynicism generously and daily without being judged but rather be praised for hating something needing hatred to save the world. For his livelihood, the father critic site keeps a couple hundred individuals, possibly lonely people aching for companionship, admiration and purpose , entangled in daily Disqus posting, expressing the same old prejudice and same old hatred day after day to the applause from the father critic’s regulars. It is very sad what the father critic is doing to people, keeping them all drunk in a hate based ground hog day.
“What is interesting to me is that Rathbun is sort of doing, in part, something similar to that his critical counterpart is doing, criticizing discrediting and undermining others. Not sure why Rathbun would choose that as something to use his life for but it’s his life, so have at it.”
He gave the reason in his blog post of August 11:
“First, to educate the educable. Second, to survey the reaction from the hate group also known as ASC (Anti-Scientology Cult) when it is fed but a tiny dose of its own medicine, albeit in a far more reasonable, rational and truthful fashion than it has ever administered it.” https://markrathbun.blog/2017/08/11/reactions/
Still doing same thing, no matter what the motive, criticizing discrediting and undermining others.
Okay, but is there another way people could be educated about what is actually going on in this case, that doesn’t entail criticizing, discrediting and undermining others?
One recent activity found on the father critic’s site tells one all they need to know about the cultishness of the critic group in question.
One of the Disqus section regulars posted a video and comment about a woman who used to be a practicing scientologist, Mary DeMoss, in the Disqus section and the father figure replied to the poster, talking down to them as if they were a child, lecturing them and ordering them to leave Mary DeMoss alone, that she was no longer in scientology. What was interesting to me was to see one adult dictating to another adult what to do in a Disqus section. The regular being ordered around submitted to the father figure. Interesting to see the critic father figure positioning themselves to dictate to the regulars who is to be harassed and who is to be left alone and also interesting to see all the other regulars to that Disqus section not calling out the critic father figure for talking down the grown adult in a Disqus section and dictating another adult’s behaviour. It was ghastly, and it was something that would only get a pass inside a closed cult group that was too scared of each other to speak up and call such behaviour unacceptable
“Interesting to see the critic father figure positioning themselves to dictate to the regulars who is to be harassed and who is to be left alone and also interesting to see all the other regulars to that Disqus section not calling out the critic father figure for talking down the grown adult in a Disqus section and dictating another adult’s behaviour.”
That’s ASC standard operating procedure. I’ve experienced it and observed it many times. If a poster writes something that doesn’t fall in sync with the official narrative, the blog host jumps in to make nothing of the comment – which no one dares to challenge. The other purpose is to set the example for the line of thinking to be followed – and for the harassment of the poster. Other posters then take their cue and pile on.
It was surprising to observe.
There was not the usual pile-on of agreement but there also was NOT one single word from the regulars saying “hey what the are you doing? This Disqus poster is a free thinking grown up and we do not work for you nor do individuals here answer to you, you do not own the Discus section, and we did not appoint you to dictate who we discuss or how or what we say others, just wanted to remind you this is not a cult and you are not our master and we are combating behaviour like yours”.
I’ve never seen anyone say anything quite as bold as that, but comments can also be moderated out. I’ve had that happen too. You learn that if you want your comment to be posted it has to be worded just right.
I’m reminded of a time a poster (iamvalkov) dared to challenge – relatively mildly – Mike Rinder, and got a reply from Mike of “Who do you think you are?…” http://www.mikerindersblog.org/marty-rathbuns-meltdown/#comment-180893
That was on the blog post “Marty Rathbun’s Meltdown.” Throughout the thread are examples of how the blog host handles dissenting comments, and how the posters pile on. I don’t know if it is essentially “knee-jerk” on Mike’s and others’ part, based on the entrenched stance, or knowing propaganda.
No one said what I proposed but that is, in my opinion, along the lines of what would have been appropriate to express to one adult trying to enforce their will on another adult in a Disqus comment section. Unless of course they related to one of the posters as the above them and one of the posters related to themselves as senior to the other posters.
Right. Well said.
iamvalkov did not agree enough, and THAT is a big no no. Agree just so or pay the price.
“Agree just so or pay the price.”
True. If a comment is too strong, it gets invalidated – or if it can’t be invalidated very easily, it gets deleted. Not a level playing field.
Yes, if I recall correctly, I was expressing some somewhat idle and speculative thoughts about the whole thing, and Mike was all over me like “You’re so ignorant – who do you think you are??” I was kinda surprised, he usually handles things with more grace, so I must have really hit a nerve. I think one factor was that I persisted in posting my thoughts, instead of just saying “Oh, OK Mike, you’re the authority and I stand corrected and will shut up and listen now.” That’s the agreement thing you mention, hecticwave.
You got off lightly Valkov.
I was thrown off his blog for asking him to back up his statements with documents.
Mike has delusions of Godhood.
He did throw me off his blog. Not only that, he told his audience that I had decided not to post on his blog anymore. It’s true I gave him an opening to say this by telling him I usually didn’t go where I was not welcome. He seized on it. I don’t believe he posted that particular post of mine. I don’t bother trying to post there anymore. Interestingly, a couple of peoplewho had been involved in exchanges with me felt guilty because they thought that I was leaving because of their venting at me. I hope that made an impression on Mike, but I kinda think in this case, to him, the end justifies the means.
marildi posted the link to that post by Mike. It was an interesting bit of drama. My comments and his responses are dispersed through that thread of comments.
In other words Mike decided to disconnect from you as well.
OOOOOH the IRONY!
Especially coming from someone who continually says that disconnection is EVIIIIL.
One can get so exhausted pointing out the ASC’s hypocrisy especially when it is so evident.
Maybe the suits at A&E may come to the realization that a second season of this wasn’t such a good idea.
Then again maybe not.
I see it as he seized the opportunity to disconnect me from his entire group – his blog regulars and visitors, too. And at the same time, he made it appear that I was disconnecting from them, leaving his hands clean. It was a slick move. I made one or two innocuous comments after that, but of course they never passed through his moderation. I was done, there. So, I was expelled, but the group was told that I chose to leave. So, fuck him and the blog he rode in on. I do think he knows that what he claims he is trying to do, has no chance of succeeding, as Marty has pointed out. It’s been tried, failed, and is ancient history.
That’s funny. I guess he’s gotten slicker in claiming disconnection. Definitely a cause of the pot accusing the kettle of being black but that’s Mike bringing hypocrisy to a whole new level.
Snark, snark, bawhaaaaaahahahahahahahaha
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