Scientology Inc. Obsession With Celebrity

For how  Scientology Inc.’s obsession with celebrities turned its greatest Public Relations assets into liabilities,  see excerpts from Lawrence Wright’s book concerning the courting of Tom Cruise and  John Travolta.

Is there something about Scientology that would lead to this inevitability, or is this simply a Miscavige Scientology Inc. deal?

While the Miscavige/Cruise business is in a league of its own in terms of excess and obsession, is the inhumanity exhibited by Scientology Inc. pre-Miscavige (as most of the cruelty reported in the Travolta sections are) any more tolerable in a civilized society?




65 responses to “Scientology Inc. Obsession With Celebrity

  1. “…is the inhumanity exhibited by Scientology Inc. pre-Miscavige (as most of the cruelty reported in the Travolta sections are) any more tolerable in a civilized society?”

    That is a very good question to which my opinion is no.

    “Is there something about Scientology that would lead to this inevitability, or is this simply a Miscavige Scientology Inc. deal?”

    Another great question, my opinion is no it isn’t just a Miscavige Scientology Inc. Deal. Aside from the pre-Miscavige regime there are other similar organisations that purpetrate abuses on their members to various degrees.

    I believe it’s inherent in organisations that give power to a small number of people or, perhaps worse, one person over most or all aspects of the lives of a larger group of people. These organisations are usually founded based on a religion or belief system.

    The church of scientology inc. Certainly does not have a monopoly on abuse but it certainly is at the more extreme end of the spectrum. You can also read the ramblings of at least two other groups of “bitter, defrocked apostates” on the Internet: ex-Mormons or ex Jehovah’s Witnesses. Then there are “The Moonies” who are still quietly going about their business…

  2. I think Tony Ortega has taken over the blog.

  3. I’m glad you are broaching this subject. Abuse is intolerable in an organization whether it occurred yesterday or thirty-five years ago. The fact is people devoted to Scientology, particularly the SO members, have always suffered unnecessary abuse and degradation – whether under DM or LRH and its not right.

    I’ve always thought the core of the problem is the organization is built upon a fascists structure, unbending to the humanity it supposedly serves and which serves it. Compassion and empathy are not elements highly regarded or valued in Scientology, and its actually spat upon by leadership. DM’s may be a monster who’s highest ideal is “cold, chrome steel SO members” – but he didn’t invent concept himself, he’s not creative enough. He believed that was the ideal personification of a SO member because of the values he was taught, and this thinking and behaving this way was rewarded, not punished.

    I think LRH’s exposure to military order and rules made him think of it as the best way to run an organization – and while it may be a great way to run a group of people dedicated to war and defense its a terrible way to run a religion or philosophy of life that’s not.

  4. When you consider it from a straightforward economics standpoint, the original decision to create separate programs for celebrities and to target them actively for recruitment makes perfect sense. I think Hubbard read correctly the beginning of American infatuation with fame, celebrities, and the lives of the stars as role models or as something to aspire to. Since I’m a “never in,” I won’t claim to have the perspective on how the organization dealt with celebrities that many of the ex’s who post here have had (Karen#1 among many others). In what I’ve read in the last two years, it seems that Hubbard viewed the celebrity outreach efforts as a way to grow Scientology… I don’t seem to recall seeing too many photos of Hubbard hanging out with the various celebrities who were at least briefly interested in Scientology.

    Regardless of whether the corporate Scientology organization was healthy in its treatment of celebrities or whether there were bad things done in the pre-Miscavige era, it seems pretty clear that things have become pretty unhealthy given Miscavige’s apparent near worship of Tom Cruise. The story of planting the wildflowers at Int Base for Tom and Nicole to romp through is pretty telling. That’s just the most bizarre of the stories of how Miscavige has bent the organization to serve his own personal obsession with glamorous life. Sinar Parman’s stories, which you have documented here, are also testaments to the level of craziness.

    Now Miscavige apparently seems to be taking his lifestyle ahead of what I had read previously. One detail in the Lawrence Wright excerpts is that he now travels by chartered Boeing Business Jet (a new Boeing 737 converted to private jet interior). That’s a level of comfort that only a few of the world’s biggest corporations allow their chief executives. And those corporations are all immensely larger than the Scientology corporate universe. How much does that one indulgence cost? If the corporate church is involved in a fractional jet share company like NetJets, it’s about $6.5 million to buy 1/8 share in a BBJ, and it’s about $6,000 per flight hour (perhaps more depending on the current price of jet fuel). You have to pay for a minimum of 100 flight hours per year. A “spot charter” is probably about $12,500 to $15,000 per flight hour. They claimed that Miscavige presided over the opening of 30 facilities. Assume they’re each about 3 hours jet travel from Hemet. Then add on a few trips a year to his personal yacht the Freewinds. Miscavige could easily be burning $5 million per year in jet costs. Add in the costs of the private chefs, the rest of the entourage, personal security, and all the rest, and you could be up to $10 million a year in just living expenses. Then who knows how much more is spent on apartments and living quarters. I don’t think Cruise has a BBJ. And Travolta apparently now flies a 30-year old Bombardier business jet which probably cost him $2 or $3 million, offset by an endorsement contract from the manufacturer. So Miscavige is now putting himself on an even gaudier pedestal than the celebrities he controls.

    The other thing about the celebrity effort is that it continues a pattern of betting bigger on a smaller number of people to carry Scientology forward. As regular public membership plummets, Miscavige is relying on a smaller number of IAS “whales” to make up the bulk of the donations to that part of the enterprise. And many of those are tapped out, due to retirement, the bad economy, or any number of other causes. In business, you want to avoid “customer concentration,” dependence on a small number of customers for a huge chunk of your business, wherever possible. But Miscavige seems to be encouraging that. It will bite him in the ass economically, if it hasn’t already.

  5. I think that as long as the basic tendency of “us vs. them” is part of a Scientology organization, it will inevitably turn into “all means are right if it is to save Scientology or the organization”.
    Scientology and Scientologists should embrace society and take a pan determinism responsibility attitude.

  6. martyrathbun09

    Thanks for contributing some facts and figures which give more context.

  7. Ivro Jackrikon

    I believe there are a few things that would inevitably lead to such behavior and cruelty. I think the mechanism is best covered in the book “The Lucifer Effect, understanding how good people turn evil”, by Phil Zimbardo which describes in detail what factors in a group or organization that would tend to cause it. The book basically describes the Stanford Prison experiment, but also goes into Abu Graib, Nazi Germany, Rwanda and other similar situations. They all have common denominators, and many of these are undoubtedly present in C of S going back to pre-DM days. In addition to the causes originating in individuals, such as evil intentions etc, there are group factors that tend to trigger it. Zimbardo was a key witness in the Abu Graib trilals where US soldiers had mistreated prisoners. While there is no justification or excuse for those perpetrating the cruel actions there are nonetheless organisational causes which would all but guarantee such an outcome – in the Abu Graib case, policies and procedures condones and/or instituted by the military command or even higher levels. The book describes the mechanisms in brilliant detail, and rather than me getting into it here I highly recommend reading the book or Google Phil Zimbardo and see one of his many lectures. The parallels will be blatantly obvious, starting with policies, organization structures, the “we vs. them” think (wogs etc), the labeling of individuals within (PTS; DB, downstat etc) and not least the precedent set by angry or seemingly cruel actions sometimes taken by the highest authority in the group, the founder.

    Finally, on a more hopeful note, the book analyses the characteristics of those few individuals–heroes as he calls them–who resist and oppose such evil, and outlines a course to take to becomes such a hero oneself.

  8. Ivro Jackrikon

    oops, this post ended up in the wrong category. It was supposed to be with the next blog entry about factors in the organisation possibly leading to cruelty etc.

  9. Clearly the viciousness predates Miscavige. I know the GO were pretty cruel too, witnessed some of it, and I’m not even talking about their more insane ops against people perceived as enemies. And I can accept that some of the cruelty came from L Ron Hubbard himself — not all, Hubbard did not micro manage everything like Miscavige and I know of plenty of actions that were taken that were not ordered by Hubbard. I also have plenty of first hand evidence of Hubbard’s kinder side which is just as reliable as Mr Wright’s sources if not more so.

    But here is what I can’t figure out. After the dust had settled, the FBI raid was long gone, the battle with various government agencies was over, the GO era was being lived down or lived through, the “domino effect” and Cold War mentaility was fast disappearing in the world at large, Hubbard had passed away and Miscavige had all the power he needed regardless of the tactics he used to obtain it, and even the IRS had finally endorsed Scientology, that still puts us at twenty years ago. So why oh why, with all the power in his hands, in a whole new context, as the ultimate dicator of Scientology, able to do just about anything he wanted did Miscavige fail to take actions that would improved things but instead escaleted the cruelty? Some may say he was following the long since dead Hubbard’s orders but that does not explain everything to me, there are plenty of Hubbard orders such as “make orgs more attractive to work” meaning work out how to pay the damn staff so they could actually live. Miscavige could have done that with a wave of his hand, And Hubbard didn’t order Miscavige to go on an incessant and destructive campaign against families within the Sea Org, for example, … I could go on.

  10. Wow Chris, accusing Tony Ortega of taking over this blog shows how deep your “Thought Stopping” process has gone. What exactly has Marty said that has offended you? What he has written about the pre-Miscavige era of abuse is true and real. No matter how you feel about LRH you cannot deny there was a climate of fear, disappointment, sorrow and helplessness on his watch along with any “wins” Scientology brings. Until you shake off your cult think and listen and read and BELIEVE about Scientology’s history you will be stuck in the same place you were in COS.

  11. John P. Great post.
    This will all reach a tipping point. Having to Have before producing etc.

  12. Well Marty, I will never forget this afternoon Karen Black got out of Session (AOLA in the annex by the Manor – now a parking lot). She was so happy and care free. See stood by Enid`s desk and was looking in her purse for her car keys. She was so happy and so was I and Enid.
    Complete pure sprit, n/g else.
    Enid commanded me to look for her keys in her purse (Enid is SA!)
    I found them and handed them to her and she just was like the most beautiful bird in the whole wide world!
    She kind of just said good by and floated out of the building….
    I still got a picture of that door and Michael’s office was on the left and Ivan’s motorcycle parked in front.

  13. “Is there something about Scientology that would lead to this inevitability?”

    As with all religions that feel their way is the only way out of the “trap” or whatever term you want to use then, of course, the answer is, “Yes”.

    As others have noted the beginning of the end of Scientology was probably KSW No. 1.

  14. You asked: is the inhumanity exhibited by Scientology Inc. pre-Miscavige (as most of the cruelty reported in the Travolta sections are) any more tolerable in a civilized society?
    No Marty.
    We are bringing this society out of the mud.
    Ron said that somewhere.

  15. I’ve long said Scn’s problems are cultural. We cannot ignore pre-Miscavige insanities. Sure, DM may have institutionalized the abuse, but cannot cop the blame for the source of it. To me, DM is a product of the Scn Inc culture.
    I do believe there is an inherit flaw in Scn organizations which fosters this type of abuse. This is self-generated abuse. Scn’s greatest enemy is not external or high priests or governments – it is the organizational culture itself.
    In my opinion, several things contribute to this type of behavior:

    1) Desperation – staff are continually bombarded with unreal tasks and targets. Its like a continual, long-running State of Emergency. Desperate people do desperate things, and often commit overts in the process.
    2) Scn is the most important thing – when you are the only answer to man’s salvation, you can justify almost any type of behavior. It’s your Get-Outta-Jail card. Under the guise of Make-It-Go-Right, extreme “solutions” to unreal demands are actually encouraged and rewarded. You could say there is a corollary to the “Group is all, the individual nothing”, and that is “Scn is all and everything else is nothing”.
    3) Thursday at 2:00 – just get rid of it. I’ve seen so many well-intentioned individuals do the stupidest of things all because of Thursday @2:00. This week-to-week, day-to-day micro-management is a pressure cooker. It is insane and does not contribute to real growth or expansion.
    4) Personnel, Quality of – I think Scn Inc has had personnel problems for decades. It’s a chronic situation. They are so desperate for people. They will take anyone stupid enough or naive enough to sign one of their contracts – and post them in senior management positions! It boggles the mind. They think nothing of taking a green Scnist, nowhere on the Bridge, no training and plopped them down behind a desk and announce you’re the new Deputy Head of Blah Blah – Start! Sometimes this is based on the unworkable notion that “You’ve done this all before” instilled by LRH. So you got some guy, barely a Scnist, issuing orders to 20, 30 year veterans. Stupid, stupid, stupid. And what winning valance do you suppose they have to adopt to survive in that environment? Cold, chrome steel. Lovely.

    Phew! I feel better…

  16. The obsession with celebrity certainly started with LRH (ref: advices on setting up Celebrity Centers) but I would say Miscavige put it on steroids. Abuses within the Scientology organization were also extant pre-Miscavige but I would say from personal experience they are worse under Miscavige. Having said that, abuses like the RPF, overboards, chain lockers or disconnection — whether they occurred before or after Miscavige — have no place in civilized society. This is my problem with organized religion – it ALWAYS turns into spiritual terrorism in one form or another and Scientology was no different. So I’ve learned my lesson — now I just read what I find interesting in my own personal journey and I go to church in my head.

  17. Yes Jane. Thanks.

  18. Jane Doe from OSA?

  19. It’s a Miscavige/Scn Inc. deal. I don’t think there is anything in Scientology that makes celebrity-worship inevitable. In fact, I have always felt that Scientology is the great leveler, in that the idea is to enable our own abilities. I mean, if you are doing TRs or auditing celebrities, the veneer of celebrity comes off very quickly.

    The bottom line re the Travolta story is that the SO is suppressive. Of course the abuses in the Travolta story are not acceptable.

    Somehow, some way, the SO became fanatical. It happened fast and early, and before Miscavige’s time. The SO is an experiment that failed. The SO is not Scientology. It is the SO that created the conditions that allowed Miscavige to do his thing. I see a lot of bitching about the GO, but at least the GO was made up of adults – adults who made serious mistakes. And it is no more. The SO is still around.

    You know, if you banned and dissolved the SO tomorrow, and SO-only “management” orgs, the church may have a chance to come out of it.

  20. “As others have noted the beginning of the end of Scientology was probably KSW No. 1.”

    Either that or the formation of the Sea Org.

  21. Good post! Totally agree.

  22. Six of one, half a dozen of the other though I do highly admire the esprit de corp and dedication of Sea Org members but by it’s nature Sea Org members live in a bubble which is never good.

  23. I agree Grasshopper. And to make an additional point…I think we’re also seeing the effects of second and third generation Scnists in the Sea Org. Where we have 15 year olds holding exec positions in the SO who have spent their lives in the Scn bubble. They are divorced from the world around them. How can a group like this “save mankind” when they are no longer a participant?

  24. I think the CofS is rather downstat in the area of celebrities. Both JT and TC are old scores being recycled.


  25. Hi Grasshopper! Thanks for sharing your point of view.

    I don’t think the SO is a problem in itself: a tool is a tool it can be improved but the main think, imho, is how we use it, so who use it.

    There is a science-fiction series where the scriptwritter-autor Joe Michael Straczynsk has made a whole declination of what could be such “highest organisation” with mind or spiritual powers and controls.

    Two of them are analysed and critical: the “Psi Corps” and the “Rangers”. The first would be this “fanatic SO” you speak about: “you’re not allowed to think different and you are inferior, so not with real true value”; and “The Rangers” more about: “how to help and maintain peace, because WE are”.

    As the author makes one of the main character says: “who monitor the monitors”? (sorry if not exact wording, I translate from french). And I would say that anything would be good with the SO, IF it was on the collegial control of all Clears and SHBC certifies auditors of the planet, and up to, through a chairman elected by these same but not a self establish person. Still imho.

    The main idea here is:

    – The highest top must be controlled by the lowest certified/recognized enough levels, cause while there is nothing up to the highest, it could becomes easily dictatorship. But the base must know the Tech enough to be able to evaluate the highest top actions.


  26. Marty,

    First of all, I want you to know that I value your willingness to look at what we have, look at where we are and ponder the true cause of things that are clearly out. Let’s also not throw out the possibility that there are user accounts that reply here that may have been taken over because of poor password design. =)

    On the subject of celebrity, I’m amused at this post because I just finished listening to Ron bash the importance of fame on a PDC tape. I’ll try to reference the one after work. Also, isn’t there an extremely well worded policy letter that does nothing other than making it off policy to treat celebrity public with a single advantage over non-celebrity public?

    With no experience in Scientology that wasn’t lead by DM, I have to assume that DM is the cause of a complete reversal in practice from that policy.

  27. I’m giving you a thumbs up on your comment Jane. I very much agree!

  28. Haydn,
    This may be an oversimplification but the ‘why’ to me resides in the nature of his (Miscaviages) underlying character. Based on the Scn data on suppressives and suppression and on books such as The Sociopath Next Door, he does not want any workable philosophy actually functioning to improve conditions or make life better for anyone…….except himself.
    Just sayin………

  29. @Sunny, I agree. No matter how much DM has taken anything LRH dished out to the nth degree, along with his own case manifestations, he had LRH as a role model for the worst times as well as good times. One can’t deny that DM got to see LRH’s full spectrum. The fact that he chooses to degrade others is partially due to his summation of what it took to survive as a leader.

  30. John P.,
    Thank you for taking the time to talk number$ about the level of (what is in my opinion) inurement to David Miscavige. Fascinating info that really paints a clear picture. Most of us know little of such a lifestyle.

    To my mind the exposure of such greed and falsity must be done de-toxify the subject of Scientology and de-cultify the organizations and attitudes. When I say “greed,” it is not because I object to those who have the wherewithal to live so large. It is only because David Miscavige CLAIMS to be a religious/spiritual leader and struts on the labor of many ordinary folk who are/were self-sacrificing and well-meaning.

    It always amazes me that non-Scn individuals bother to be involved with this and write on such a blog. Thanks.

  31. @Cece…I knew Enid, but pardon my ignorance; what is meant by Enid is SA?

  32. I have not read Wrights book. Could someone explain to me what is meant by the Travolta cruelties? Thanks.

  33. People who were around the Original Celebrity Center should give their input, but my understanding was in the early 70s when Yvonne was in charge, the celebrities on lines were treated like everyone else. They went to course together with other students there. They would talke with the staff. It wasn’t ordered for the staff to look away when a celebrity passed. That all came about later.

    The cruelty towards the Sea Org members and staff like Spanky Taylor who were assigned to handle John Travolta as mentioned in Lawrence Wrights book came about in my opnion because of the envy and jealousy towards those staff who were working with celebrities. I witnessed many times Senior execs talk down about the out ethics and dilitante Celebrities and how out ethics the staff members who were supposed to handle them were. Those staff were not real Sea Org members! They got to wear regular clothes and go out and hob knob with the Celebrities.

    This was even DM’s viewpoint in the 1980s when he was at ASI and RTC. Marty will remember this. DM would always be complaining about how Travolta and Chick and others were out ethics and didn’t do enough.

    It wasn’t until he hooked up with Cruise that DM’s viewpoint about Celebrity started to change because he too started leading the “good life” with Tom – Parachuting, flying in private planes, eating at the best restaurants etc etc. DM’s life was certainly better than other Senior Execs and staff at the Int Base, but not by much. It was later that he started getting his $5,000 suits and armoured cars and private planes.

  34. Chris Mann OSA?

    Here’s the thing Chris, if you read my posts you know I’m anti organised religion (aka churches) because I see so much abuse in such organisations. My beef is not just with the church of scientology, it’s with abuses purpetrated by any organisation (even none-religious ones).

    I’m pro educating people to recognise when they’re being abused; a big problem is many do not.

    I’ve said before I’m fascinated by the “Independent Scientology” movement because I see within it a lot of people starting a personal spiritual journey and ditching the dogma of an organised church. As long as this movement remains open, disparate, honest and tolerant of each other i believe it will thrive; though I’m sure there will be a lot of whose paths will diverge from here and so “move on”.

  35. “Is there something about Scientology that would lead to this inevitability, or is this simply a Miscavige Scientology Inc. deal?”

    Well, LRH put a lot of attention on them. His directives to management (policies, advices, et al) makes their cultivation and management a pretty high priority.


    What ARE you babbling on about Chris?

  37. EnthralledObserver

    This greed is why I bother… this man (Miscavige) should not be allowed to continue to rape and pillage this organisation and its communities at his will. If he can, then others will follow.

    And because even from my sheltered, distant part of the world I can see this whole shebang is dangerous. Parts of Scientology ‘may’ be helpful, but I also don’t believe for one second that L.Ron Hubbard himself ‘invented’ nor ‘discovered’ those parts. There is too much evidence to the contrary that he stole from many sources to put together a scheme that suited his purpose – wealth, fame and noteriety.

  38. Right on, Grasshopper. Some of the orgs may be beyond hope by now, but if they were allowed to be “locally owned and operated” without outside interference, and especially without the incredible sabotage and third-partying done by the IAS and other no-exchange fundraising programs, there are still some good staff out there. Beaten down people, but good, well-trained, and basically loyal to the original ideals of scientology.

    The money collected by those criminal programs ought to be returned to the orgs and communities/donors they were extorted from. Then there maybe a chance for some of the orgs to recover.

    But at this point, I must say I believe the best hope is to start over with training and delivery centers outside the CoS. The developments in Israel do give hope, with an entire organization pulling away from the CoS and starting to deliver independently.

  39. Statpush, I agree the problem is cultural, but the “scientology culture” only reflects western culture and the overall planetary culture. Cultures the world over are no better, witness China and its puppet state North Korea and a host of others.

    I think we can do no better than to clear individuals one by and be chary of hoping to set up organizations that will do so wholesale, as forces within the human mind tend to bend even the most enlightened efforts downward.

    If Sea Org staff really had been trained and processed as originally envisioned, it may have been a constructive organization which actually did stay 3 feet behind society’s and scientology’s head. It was supposed to be the awarenessof awareness unit of the scientology organizations. How has that worked out, eh? A bunch of Hiltler Youth or Soviet Komsomol running it these past decades. Lord of the flies stuff.

  40. Well, the thing is, LRH himself said that scientology was not necessarily the best possible system or the only possible system, just that it was the workable system we have.

    I don’t see anything wrong with the 10 points of KSW #1 in themselves. I think the problems were mainly with the rant that accompanies those which is so open to interpretation, “by each according to his ability, tone level, and degree of aberration”. That is a basic human problem I call “the Tower of Babel” syndrome. No 2 people ever seem to understand much of anything in exactly the same way, and the power hungry will interpret things in such a way as to justify themselves.

  41. EO, why don’t you at least look at the books and HCOBs that delineate the actual applications and then form an opinion based on some actual observation, “Belief” is worth nothing or less than nothing. Belief is part of the problem to start with – people who defend or spout “beliefs”(opinions) not based on any real experiential knowledge, which you have admitted you don’t have and furthermore have stated you refuse to acquire, even to the extent of reading a book. Opinions are a dime a dozen, and unsupported opinions are even cheaper than that.

  42. My point here is that you have no knowledge of the practical applications, much less whether they are original or not, or who developed them.

  43. Wow people. There is a huge difference between the celebrities that Hubbard considered celebrities — they were artists such as William Burroughs, Picasso, etc — and the status-seeking, money-grubbing, self-important, vain black holes that is the mediocre “celebrity” roster of Miscavigworldology.

  44. I agree with Jane too.

  45. I agree, Jewel. The seeking of celebrities (and decision makers in general) began way before DM. Preferred treatment of people with money or some claim to fame happened even at missions way before DM. But I am in general agreement with the viewpoint that DM has fanned the flames of the worst aspects of the organized religion and has smothered the embers of any good parts. In short, he’s made things worse.

    By the way, if you read Pouw’s letter you will find at the end the list of all the great accomplishments that serve as evidence that CoS, Inc. is thriving. You may notice in looking over that list there is nothing on new members, total members, number of clears, or number OTs, number of persons trained, or number of high level auditors in general.

  46. Nor number of well done auditing hours.

  47. Just another Hollywood Scientology book.
    Read It, Shelf It, Forget It.

  48. Nope. Wrong. Hubbard considered Hollywood actors like T.C, Kirstie, etc. Celebs. You either haven’t read the LRH advices on C.C.’s or, you have crashing MU’s. HAVE you read the R advices to the Church management on such?

  49. martyrathbun09

    That would be a mistake. It is the best researched, most open minded look at Scientology by a pulitzer prize winning author. To shelf it and forget it would be rather irresponsible if one cared about Scientology, in my view.

  50. ex class v staff member?

    Perhaps. I can think of two factors leading to this situation. The first was a special status assigned to celebrities in the corporate church. The consideration that these people were the most effective, perhaps even the most important or even the only possible way of communicating the value of scientology. Hubbard played his role in creating this view.

    The other factor though was the general dooms day atmosphere that began to appear. The consideration that, “time is running out”. This atmosphere no doubt began with Hubbard’s condemnation of psychiatry but whether it was fair to assign it all to Hubbard is unclear. While I was involved with corporate scientology I recall frequently being told that time was running out and the planet had be cleared immediately in case in turned out to be the last chance. Hubbard’s speeches and writings were frequently quoted extolling us to believe that psychiatry was rapidly destroying the world and that auditing and training must be purchased now before it is too late. It was pointless of course to complain the world had been around for a long time already and in fact seemed to be advancing with universal health care and education etc. However I don’t necessarily blame Hubbard for this. According the church itself there were over 25 million of his words recorded. After leaving the church and taking some materials with me I don’t get the feeling when I browse through them they were from a dooms day cult. I would suggest the organisation was in fact selecting those elements which it felt were most useful to supporting a campaign of high pressure sales tactics. Perhaps Hubbard encouraged those tactics himself, perhaps not and can’t say.

    In conclusion, if you accept the truth both of propositions, one that celebrities are the only effective communicators and two that time is running out then yes it becomes inevitable that those problems will arise. I only knew the church from the 1990’s onwards so apart from saying it definitely happened under Miscavaige I can’t comment further about the orgin

  51. EnthralledObserver

    I’m not allowed to respond to you, Valkov… my reply was deleted…

  52. martyrathbun09

    …because it violated moderation rules here, stooping to name-calling.

  53. EnthralledObserver

    Yeah, but with this comment you’ve implied I called someone here a name – I did not. Nevertheless… I shall amend my comment.

    I trust what I have read of the opinions and anecdotes and facts relayed by a plethora of ex-members and critics such as Tony Ortega, to name only one; and on those sites I get examples of what L. Ron has written from various numbers of his works/notes/orders. Therefore I don’t feel I need to read every word myself to gain an insight into what is in the bulk of it. I can , and do, think for myself and am quite capable of assessing all that data and discerning for myself who has credibility. It’s not a skill only taught by L.Ron (supposedly) you know?
    Your assumption that if I read L. Ron’s work myself implies that I might change my mind; I can assure you I won’t (in fact I’d wager my opinion might just get lower), and I’m not interested in even trying to see if I might. I don’t need self-improvement, and my opinion is that no-one else (who is the ‘able’ that I’ve heard Miscavige refer to on an interview) really does either. Accept who you are, and deal with life accordingly. Perfection doesn’t exist – stop trying to chase it. Just be you, in all your glory, and act and respond in a way that makes yourself proud.
    Plus, I’m a busy mother of five, and other than finding this shocking issue/topic on the internet and feeling compelled to offer what I consider logical opinion to the discussion, I don’t have the time to read this dead, out-dated, man’s ramblings – of which I hear the sheer volume would keep me busy fulltime for probably 3 years. So no, i won’t be going away for those 3 years and come back so you can then deign me ‘informed’ and therefore, in your opinion, exempt from ridicule and worthy of a platform. I have a certain intelligence and life experience that I find valuable and useful too… maybe you should consider that I have something to offer you that does not come filtered through L.Ron Hubbard, hmm?

  54. Yes Hayden and newcomer, of course Hayden’s “why” is
    rhetorical as he knows the answer but still, why oh why
    can someone display such evil to all these people who
    just want to HELP?
    And reading the incredible divide between the regular SO
    member and DM lifestyle, it is just sickening. I came into
    the SO as an interned class VI with thousands of hours
    audited on public PCs and in short order it was attempts
    by CMO to treat me as a peon. Luckily being a rebel helped.
    Kurt and Linda, wake up!

  55. martyrathbun09

    Thanks for amending.

  56. I apologize Jewel. Enid was raised in SA (South Africa) with slaves to do her everyday hygiene/chores. I was her ‘slave’ 1982-85 which I truly didn’t mind after I more understood how she treated me.
    So yes, Enid commanded any and all ‘beneath her’.
    Now and then she broke my heart but then I placed it there to be broken.
    RIP. Enid has so much loving qualities and I would never bring this up except to explain why it is that ‘Enid commanded me….”
    I would like to see a memorandum for Enid Byrne. She is a rare and endangered species. She was MUCH easier to work with when I was her senor LOL!

  57. Hi Valkow! What about an international association, league, to pursue CoS for these illegal found raising according to Ron’s policy letters? and other crimes against the publics and scientology itself in general?

  58. I like the idea but I wouldn’t know how to do it. I’ve heard that more recently, it has even been difficult to get monies on account back because CoS no longer follows LRH policy about it.

  59. Yes, he spends more money than he creates. More orgs have shut down since 2008 than have been created. Worst of all, his personal benefits will result in Scientology losing its tax exempt status, which an anonymous person Pouw says was never a high ranking member of the Church helped them get in 1993.

  60. EO,
    I respect your opinion, but the very essence of Scientology, the auditing, is like nothing else. I don’t expect you to understand. Despite anything critical that might be said about the church or it’s founder, the ability to truly free another from life’s pain, sufferings, and general upsets is nothing to make less of– when applied correclty it works like magic. Take someone who has just had a horrible loss and give them 8 hours with a psychiatrist or psychologist (and for the record, I do not have a general hatered or upset with this profession as one might assume since I use Scientology) and give the person 8 hours with a Scientology auditor. The proof to the validity of the auditing will be apparent. There is no comparison for anyone who has experienced it. If anyone has had 8 hours of therapy and then 8 hours of auditing and feels that the therapy gave them superior wins, I would like to know.

    Frankly, on one hand,I could care less how,where, and by whom Scientology was put together because from my experience it makes people more aware and less held down. It can and does change lives. So even though the organization has its problems, the thing that brings people toward it, and keeps them interested in it, in an out of the corporate organization is its workability—

    I feel offended and tend to roll my eyes when someone who has not experienced it says that it is a sham. Opinions of others based on opinions of others and so on is about as far from personal observation as one can get.

    I see why the public who have no direct experience with training, auditing ,or even reading a book would have interest in the ‘controversy’ over anything Scientology. It is the same reason people get enthralled about serial killers, shootings, or even the Kardashians. There is something intriguing and mysterious about it. But, if one wants to approach the subject as to its validity, there is only one way to do so. Read and experience it for yourself. If you are going to accept other’s views, then at least be fair in reading the successes. Some of us who know the subject can distinguish between the essence of the religion and the underbelly of the organization. Taking a sensationalist view of it will absolutely not give you truth of the subject no matter how ‘reliable’ you think your source.

  61. Willima Burroughs was outed for writing a negative narrative which eluded to Scientology. As far as I knew,Ron wanted celebs handled with care, but he also said that no one is to be audited for fame etc in the original auditors code. Ron wanted them to have a safe space, out of the mainstream mania over celebs, but he wasn’t into kissing ass! DM thrives on false PR and uses the celebs for everything they’ve got, and in my opinion, they also suck it up for their own benefit for sure. Staff love to go to TC movies for example. It is a big deal now with celebs, much more than before. CofS really bows to Hollywood, no doubt. DM has taken it to a new level…an insane one. Just like his living …Ron didn’t live like DM, not even close. And, even if he did, I would consider him more deserving.

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  63. Marty, FYI, Somebody hijacked your Tom Cruise link so that if you click on it you land at “The Hollywood Reporter” website. Your Tom Cruise link on your own blog is supposed to just be a category within your own blog.

  64. I just checked John Travolta and it is the same. You mention both these people in the first paragraph of your post. I clicked on them thinking it would take me to your articles but it doesn’t.

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