Leah Remini and her Troublemakers, Part 6

16 responses to “Leah Remini and her Troublemakers, Part 6

  1. Fascinating. The response this evoked in me is that “This is no more than Miscavige deserves”. The entire Church show is scripted and invented, the Events, the promos, the websites, the entire presentation of what the Church, the IAS, the whole shebang, is an invented fiction – why not give them a taste of their own medicine? It seems like a weirdly appropriate form of “justice”. Karma? The Church’s 1.1-ness coming home to roost.

  2. “A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves” – Edward R. Murrow.

  3. Two deceptions don’t make it true.

    Marty has previously exposed deceptions and abuses at the top of the org board. Now he is exposing the false narrative of what he calls the ASC.

    Justice is truth, not retribution. In an Op Term situation both sides always deserve what the other dishes out. Seems like you’ve taken sides.

  4. I meant my comment to be a reply to iamvalkov.. Please fix that before posting.

  5. “It seems like a weirdly appropriate form of ‘justice’.”

    Poetic justice.

  6. Okay, let’s pretend the disconnection story is ‘real’. Why would Amy Scobee go to Leah Remini to solve that problem? How/why could Leah do anything for Amy, aside from just air her ‘story’? Disconnection stories are aired all the time and it doesn’t resolve them.

    But in reality, we know the ‘story’ isn’t true and she’s been reconnected with her mother for years (and that is wonderful). Why/how Amy would want to participate in a sham is something only she could answer. It’s really a shame.

  7. Just a few days ago Mat Pesch defended you in Tony Ortega’s blog. I don’t believe there is such a thing as an ASC but, if there is one, he is even braver for saying it in the bunker of all places. His comment was honest, brave and full of compassion. It made a lot of people think. It did it for me.

    I thought you should know, if you didn’t already: there are a lot of people that you are hurting with this videos. But they will stand with you nevertheless. If some day, tomorrow, next month, or six years from now, you call Amy and Mat, they will pick up the phone and run to meet you wherever you are.

    My wish for you is that you remain worthy of their friendship.

    Here is the link if you want to read it: https://disqus.com/home/discussion/theundergrondbunker/leah_remini8217s_8216troublemaker8217_will_become_a_lifetime_movie_who_plays_tom_cruise/#comment-3346780533

  8. To the extent anyone out there in the public watches Marty’s videos, I think they will increase viewership of Aftermath and improve its ratings.

  9. Keep’em coming … 🙂

  10. Although I understand your point, I disagree. Lying about a liar won’t help anyone watching who is trying to make sense of things. Both their targets (Remini/Miscavige) are the PEOPLE observing, not each other. It is psychological warfare, pure and simple.

    Thomas Jefferson succinctly put into words some thoughts about such people. Here’s just one.

    “I have ever deemed it more honorable and profitable, too, to set a good example than to follow a bad one.”

    – Thomas Jefferson to José Corrêa da Serra, 27 December 1814

    Following a bad example – lying – with another bad example – lying – is no way to Justice.

    Perhaps that’s the point behind what is really going on here.

  11. “Bring in Tony Ortega, who will say anything for a handout” Curious what his gong rate is.

  12. @Jeff Probably a turkey club, side of fries, unlimited coffee, and a plug for the bunker.

    (That’s sarcasm, I hope. Now I want a turkey club.)

  13. I don’t disagree with you guys about true Justice being based on Truth. But the irony, if that’s the correct word, of the Church being hoisted by its own petard, in a sense, by being fair gamed in that way, just did strike me. It is an abusive organization, towards everyone associated with it, if only by going to extremes to suck people dry of their money. I experienced this in a relatively small way when the IAS first came along. I contributed more than I comfortably could a couple of times before I drew the line and stopped. But I was initially sucked in for awhile. So I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the organization as a whole. It betrayed, and is still betraying, all the decent people who became associated with it.
    At the same time, I have no sympathy for many of the vocal “antis” I see online. They are no different in spirit than the violent “antifa” demonstrating and provoking, at recent political gatherings. But it does seem to me that the “enemies” of the Church today are of its own creation. There re probably deeper layers ti this reality, but that is what my recent comments about “karma” were based on. I don’t own a “K-meter” nor would I know how to operate one, but there is some kind of “poetic justice”, as marildi dubbed it, to a lying organization being publicly undone by liars.
    Marty didn’t have to go public with the information he has been releasing in this series of videos, but I am glad he did.

  14. I watch some of these people who have been disconnected from and I understand why they were.

    Good or bad why would anybody want to be connected to someone who doesn’t respect their choices in life and constantly seeks to undermine them by constantly telling they are wrong for being in Scientology or worse seeks to “deprogram” them.

    I mean let’s move from the sublime to the ridiculous and take something like smoking for example. I don’t know how long I’d hang with someone who continually complained about the fact that I smoked.

    Or vice versa. If I was a non-smoker and someone continued to light up and blow smoke in my face.

    This disconnection goes beyond Scientology.

  15. Except the “ASC” does not run your life, take your money and cause you to file bankruptcy. They do not put software on your computer/tablet/phone so they can spy on you. They do not throw you into the RPF or the Hole for made up criminal charges. They do not make you cut ties with family in order to stay with the group. They do not stop talking to you just because you said something they do not agree with. They do not turn their backs on you after you have given them everything, but now you are sick and need their help. They do not send people to follow you 24/7 if you decide to leave the group. They do not put lies about you everywhere to destroy your life.

    It seems that no matter if you are still a Scientologist or not one, if you are a Bunkerite or a part of what Marty calls the “Anti-Scientology Cult or ASC”, or even a never-in…there are always people in one group talking smack about the other group or one person against another person from one of those groups.

    I get it, it is hard to agree with others if you are 100% against them or what they say or think. But this world would be so much nicer if we could all just shut up for awhile…..irregardless of what they think or say.


  16. Disconnection is most certainly beyond Scientology! I disconnected from my whole biological family due to childhood abuse. It was the best thing for me to have a chance at a healthy adulthood.

    I recall discussing this in the bunker and they were supportive of the ‘disconnection’ I had done 20+ years ago. Yet, they wouldn’t/couldn’t see, that whereas many (probably most) of the Scientology disconnections aren’t based upon abuse, the people doing them are doing them because of why you said.

    If someone wants to remain in Scientology, that is THEIR choice and you’re right, why be connected to someone who doesn’t respect their choices in life? It’s really perplexing why some people can applaud disconnection in non-Scientology cases, yet refuse to see or accept disconnection in ANY of the Scientology cases. It goes back to the ‘everything in Scientology is bad’ mentality that is ingrained.

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