May be the truth on this one specific point. But how about Lisa McPherson?
Off topic but since you brought it up. What about all those people killed in psychiatric death camps?
Oh, they don’t matter to Koon. He’s got his head so far up his ass he needs a compass. Deviants get what they deserve, right Dan?
But Dan, the subject matter isn’t the church’s factual outpoints, right?
I meant Marty’s subject matter.
You let everyone down.
Dan, Lisa McPherson was not a *sexual assault*. Also, Mark publicly confessed his part in that affair in the Tampa Bay Times Truth Rundown, did he not ? Try again.
Michael A. Hobson
He covered a lot of it in the SP Times videos. I can’t find them anymore, but they were up for years. It seems like he’s covered it other places too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pips5SWP6BY
Leah Remini has been a patron for one of the most brutal sexual predators to hit our streets. Backpage’s Tony Ortega. You want to know about covering up for sexual predators and pedophiles? Look no further than the Village Voice where Tony Ortega stood out on the front lines defending Backpage and denying denying denying. Not only that, using the Village Voice to harm attack and suppress any critic that moved to expose the International Human Trafficking Crime Syndicate.
She was made fully aware of it by me in January 2017 and she spent the entire year in bed with him on career choices. As a Jewish woman in L.A. on an ethnic cleansing campaign, covering up for a sexual predator responsible for peddling children for sex.
Just two weeks ago she tweeted, “What are Tony Ortega’s crimes?” She is totally aware of his crimes. They all are. They just don’t find it disturbing.
She tweeted, “Where is the police report?” About Ortega.
But she didn’t ask for a police report for anyone else.
She knows. They all know. They cover for him, vouch for him and even have him on the payroll.
Since this came to my attention I have managed to get a Senate Investigation done, an expose on Netflix, The Washington Post reporting about it under True Crime and Public Safety. The F.B.I. and Homeland security moving in to handle it and a bill in Congress to fix it.
All they have done is sweep it under the rug and launch and ethnic cleansing campaign on hippies exploring the occult. Photos of Leah kissing her award for “programming”. While covering it up all the way.
How repelling does it get? Their “justice” movement. They have the audacity to point a finger at you?
Repelling. They have been doing nothing but wallowing in injustice. I hope they enjoyed every minute of it. 2018 the rest of the world is stepping in.
We will see.
I am having a hard time doing the math with Mike Rinder. He claims everyone involved in Scientology is an unwitting victim. But he spent years mocking them on his blog. In such a sadistic manner I couldn’t stomach it anymore. Then he accuses Marty of victim shaming. While plugged into Tony Ortega who battered two teens with the worst case of victim shaming I have ever seen. Who victim shamed the children of Backpage by stigmatizing them and calling them “underage prostitutes”. “Our country’s persistent problem”.
There is no such thing as an “underage prostitute”. Minors who are trafficked for sex are trafficking victims. They are victims of statutory rape.
Apparently, when they are doing the victim shaming it is “funny”. If someone else does it, it is a tragedy.
If they are covering up for a sexual predator, it is business as usual. If someone else didn’t do it, they create a story that says he did and point the finger.
Everything bad that happens to their victims was (a) ridiculous, (b) unimportant, (c) deserved.
Everything mentioned about them for doing it is (a) very important, (b) very bad, (c) irremediable.
Anything anyone else has done to bring justice and set things right is (a) without real value, (b) done better by the victimizers or by others.
What kind of math is this where nothing adds up to any redeeming value for the rest of the world?
These are people supposedly concerned about human rights.
You fight for human rights because of the HUMANITY. Not the INHUMANITY.
Meanwhile, Hollywood’s newly minted star Mike Rinder is calling the knowledge of Tony Ortega’s history of human trafficking a “smear campaign”.
Twenty months of a Senate investigation at a cost of millions of dollars to the taxpayers, should not be mentioned on his blog or he will disconnect you.
One way we can sort out the misunderstandings with this, is to just have Tony Ortega meet up with the parents who’s children supported him through their rapes. I think I could manage to bring at least 100 of these parents into a room within a 72 hour period. Once Tony explains to them their children being sold for sex were part of his freedom of speech rights, and it is them that have a problem with freedom of speech, I am sure everyone will go home happy. And Tony could even have a chance to thank the victims for their efforts and his profits.
Remini and Rinder agree with him so maybe they could be there to hand out ribbons to the victims for their services.
“Twenty months of a Senate investigation at a cost of millions of dollars to the taxpayers, should not be mentioned on his blog or he will disconnect you.”
Yes, it was strange. Mike apparently thinks Ortega was blithely unaware of what was going on under his nose at Backpage, or that Ortega believed the Backpage con about cleaning up the child trafficking ads – while they were doing just the opposite according to the Senate committee investigation. And then Mike called ME a “dup”! (by which he must have meant “dupe”).
I’ve come to think Mike is all PR, all of the time, in accordance with his agenda. Truth goes out the window, if necessary. The end justifies the means.
He’s definitely a slick PR operative – which he probably justifies as “the greatest good.” But in all fairness, after the exchange with me he posted another comment in which he admitted his reaction to me was “irrational.” This was on a previous thread in a reply to “Foolproof,” reaming him out and then stating this:
“…I admit some of this is my reaction to Marildi’s effort to trash Ortega, and I don’t claim to be Clear (or OT) — though I have dozens of certs and success stories proving that I am — so I have irrational reactions sometimes.” https://www.mikerindersblog.org/being-theetie-weetie-in-scientology/#comment-20368
The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that Mike knows there’s a lot of evidence against Ortega as regards Backpage and his own disreputable attitude about child sexual abuse – so the only thing he could do with my comments, which he called an “effort to trash Ortega,” was to trash ME.
Btw, Val, I don’t think Mike actually banned you, as you seemed to think. I remember his comments on that last thread you posted on, and I didn’t get it that way – even though it was his typical slamming of posters who don’t contribute to his agenda or who negate anyone who does. I think you should continue to be a voice of reason over there any time you have the inclination to do so.
marildi, I did try to post there once or twice after our spat. Nothing controversial, some actually supportive comment about something or other, but he never posted it(them?) In any case, he did not say he was banning me, he said I was voluntarily banning myself. Kind of like scientologists disconnecting of their own free will, right? A couple other posters reacted strongly. They apparently blamed themselves, or felt my voice was useful, and that my removal from the blog was not what they had wanted.
Did you read Mike’s statement about my not posting there anymore? He may have edited the blog after the fact. Not that I think it’s scripted or anything… 🙂
Mike runs his blog as an authoritarian – the same as what he criticizes the church for – “My way or the highway.” And if he sees that at all, he probably justifies it with the idea that his purposes are worthy – the same as they do.
I posted the link to the thread where you supposedly banned yourself in my comment below.
marildi, I don’t feel like searching for it, but if you have the date or title or link of the Mike’s OP in the course of which I had the spat with him, please post it for me? I’d like to re-read it.
It was this one: “Marty Rathbun’s Meltdown,” posted on June 25, 2017.
Thanks, mar. Here’s the point at which Mike comes in swinging, apparently out of the blue:
June 27, 2017 at 9:29 pm
He keeps posting these daily slanderous videos. It makes me sick. His blogs name should be changed to ” how low can Marty go”
There is no way someone would alienate themselves and trash so many good friends without the motivation of $$
I guess it’s a bit late to post my remarks. I just find it aggravating and I am venting
July 1, 2017 at 1:18 pm
This is backwards. If Marty wanted to make money, he could hook up with Mike and Leah and the Aftermath, or some other show.
Mike Rinder says
July 1, 2017 at 1:21 pm
Huh? No contributors are paid on the show.
July 1, 2017 at 2:16 pm
I mean in more of a producer type capacity somewhere, not as a guest on your show. Or making a movie. I think he’s had opportunities offered to him, but that’s just a guess.
Mike Rinder says
July 1, 2017 at 2:45 pm
Stop guessing. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about.
July 1, 2017 at 4:30 pm
There are lots of people guessing, here in your blog comments. I don’t see you telling them to stop.
Mike Rinder says
July 1, 2017 at 4:46 pm
Yeah you are right. They are not guessing about what you are guessing about. You are here implying it stating there is some validity to the videos and the claims that Aftermath is contrived “fake news”.
July 1, 2017 at 6:07 pm
Have you seen his posts over at Marty’s blog, Mike?
Yep. This all comes back to me – with somatics. LOL
I do recall “Thetaclear” (Peter Torres) from Geir’s blog. But he tended to mind his manners a bit better over there, while still coming across as a know-it-all at times.
Right. He was never that obnoxious on Geir’s blog. That’s what the tone at Mike’s does – it brings out the worst in people.
Yeah – like how many invitations to hate can you refuse? LOL 🙂
Then, a couple of comments later, Thetaclear comes back in, after having made a long dissertation about me previously:
July 1, 2017 at 1:36 pm
Hello I-am-a-troll-valkov, having fun yet? 😉
July 1, 2017 at 4:28 pm
I’m having fun calling out your lies, like the one about Geir banning me. Never happened. Care to comment on that?
July 1, 2017 at 6:30 pm
I already commented about it. I am just waiting for you to contact Geir and tell him that I am waiting for him to deny the clarification and explanation that I posted as a reply to you a little while. The ball is in your court.
July 1, 2017 at 1:47 pm
Hey, I-am-the-troll-valkov, I think you might have forgotten to take your medication today. Now bad boy, you know better than not to take it! 🙂
July 1, 2017 at 3:54 pm
Valkov’s always been that way. He won’t tell you this, but he teamed up with a couple of other people at Marty’s blog one time to try to Dead Agent me and figure out who I was. One of them came to the conclusion that, because of my handle, I’m Hispanic, and made presumptions about me based on that. Sorry, guys, total white boy here.
July 1, 2017 at 5:41 pm
Espi, I’d love to re-read those posts. Can you point me to those threads? Because I don’t recall ever knowing anything or posting anything about you other than that you were bluntly and doctrinairely negative about scientology. I suppose you would say I am doctrinairely positive about scientology, but what do you really know about me?
By the way, nice of you to pile on with the others. It gives me a warm feeling.
July 1, 2017 at 6:45 pm
Oh but I believe you, Espiando. This guy used to drive Geir crazy. He is now over at Marty’s ass-kissing him even that it is OBVIOUS that Marty is now defending and supporting a church that is guilty of so many human rights abuses. What kind of a sick man would support that? Only delusional ones like him, I am afraid.
Regarding the supposition of you being Hispanic, it is SO obvious that you are American by your well command of English. You can tell an Hispanic from his writing. We normally don’t use or know the little cultural slants of the language that are usual with Americans.
But hey, I-am-a-troll-valkov, I am Hispanic, “¿Cómo estás pinche de pendejo?”, haha
The intent of these people is so obvious it needs no response. They are the reason I feel it is a waste of my time to post there at all.
“The intent of these people is so obvious it needs no response. They are the reason I feel it is a waste of my time to post there at all.”
I know what you mean. Their modus operandi is pretty crude – in all senses of the word. Unsophisticated thugs – Mike’s henchmen – and apparently it isn’t beneath him to have this be the level of his blog. It always surprises me, because I tend to think Mike is basically better than that. Strange, I know.
Note that on Mike’s blog, it is OK to “speculate” or “guess” that a poster is a “delusional psychotic” or the like, without a peep of objection from Mike. It’s fine with him if someone gets labelled or defamed that way, as long as it is a person who questions Mike’s party line, or even just points out possible inconsistency. Yet posters there gush about how “tolerant” he is of diverse viewpoints. 🙂
Absolutely true on every point you make in the above. He’s “tolerant” to the degree that he posts dissenting views – which he then makes nothing of. And if you come back with too strong of a counterargument, he just deletes your post – and no one knows the difference.
Here’s a simple example of this, since you mentioned Espiando in another post and reminded me. One time Espiando was mocking LRH’s use of the word “data.” I found an online definition that was exactly how LRH used it, so I quoted it and gave the link. Mike deleted it! How desperately fanatical can he get?
Wow. But now that you mention it, mockery is Mike’s forte. Most of the OPs he posts are extremely mocking of the CoS and Scientologists. It’s true that the CoS deserves a lot of that, but Mike posts little else, much of the time. I must admire your stick-to-it-iveness in continuing to post in the face of that kind of stuff!
“Most of the OPs he posts are extremely mocking of the CoS and Scientologists.”
The continuous negativity got to me, and I wondered why others didn’t (and still don’t) seem to feel the same. You’d think Mike himself would have had more than enough of it by now – and the fact that he hasn’t makes it believable that there is good money in it for him, regardless of his sincerity in wanting to put a stop to disconnection and abusive reg’ing. It seems to me that even some kind of a held-down seven wouldn’t really explain his continuing this long.
Regarading the extreme mocking – it’s actually embarrassing. I rarely posted comments on “Thursday Funnies” and the like, or replies to comments of that type. Actually, I had been posting less and less in general but still couldn’t resist piping up about the posts or comments that were just plain spreading false data (like the recent blog post by “Terra Cognita” about the e-meter). But it’s probably a blessing in disguise – for both of us – that Mike got rid of us. LOL 🙂
I agree. Overall, I’m relieved that I don’t post there anymore. I used to like Mike’s exposure of the foolishness of the CoS, but it’s become so contrived.
I wish he would come up with a new schtick, but he just plays the same note over and over again. So I don’t bother to even think about posting there. It still amazes me that there are people like Torres and “Peacemaker” who apparently offer their “analyses” and denunciations of me in all seriousness. I’m apparently and “example” of something to each of them. You know the ones I mean, the “thought police” types who can smell out incorrect thinking like trained dogs. Oh well.
Well said, Val. Regarding Peter Torres, I’ve seen many of his posts on different blogs and have had email comm cycles with him, and he isn’t normally the way he was with you on Mike’s blog. His bank, or ego, must have been out in full force. Actually, Peter “defected” from Mike’s some months ago, after Alanzo posted some comments there that got him him to look at the ASC in a whole new way. He then started posting at Alanzo’s, but after the big earthquake in Puerto Rico he hasn’t been heard from by any of us. I hope he and his family are okay.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how things evolve on all Scn and anti-Scn fronts as the months and years go by. Amazing how many of us ex’es continue to be “Scientology watchers” – the human drama is educational. Cheers!
I still follow some developments, but only a little. I imagine Peter followed Mike’s lead when he piled on me the way he did, thinking it “must be the right thing to do if Mike supports it.” Mike, of course, can deny “supporting” it, and just claim it was his blog readers expressing themselves. Mike of course accuses me of crossing the line of some imagined decorum, not the others who were calling me names and mocking me. WEll, it’s true, I don’t have any desire to hang around where I’m not wanted, so “Goodbyeeeeee.” That’s one “fraternity” I can do without.
I follow the McLaughry’s blog, for example, and Alanzo’s is fun to read, he is sharp, and Marty’s of course, as well as some of the Facebook groups to some extent, when they pop up, but I have no burning desire to keep up with it all. I look in on Tony’s and Mike’s but rarely spend any time there. They are a habit more than anything else.
I noticed that Valkov. Remember when Mark let Karen, Mike R. and Jeff have access to this blog here, posting hundreds of cheerleader comments? That was just as disgusting. Good thing he booted them out of that control position.
By the way. We don’t pretend to be tolerant at our blog when it comes to nasty commenters or people looking to argue with us, because we’re not. (not meaning you here, by the way). Our blog isn’t really a discussion forum, as Mike just had to inform a commenter today, except when he’s interested in a particular point.
I think the thing that is just exactly like being in the Church, about Mike Rinder’s blog, is that very weird and very particular cognitive dissonance you just described. They are intolerant, but too fucking chicken to even stand up and be counted for the views that ARE their views.
Here’s where Mike tells the group, about me, “he has decided to bow out”:
July 7, 2017 at 2:49 pm
LTR, first it’s good to hear from you – I hope you might weigh in more from time to time, though I realize that you may be constrained in doing so.
While you may have been rude by academic standards, I actually think it is great that you could bring your knowledge and skills to bear in pointedly challenging and exposing a disruptive person, in an informal setting.
One thing I’ve started to take into consideration more, is that I think that some of the troll-like commenters are rather passive-aggressive, being very ill-mannered in their behavior and undertone, while keeping up a pretense of politeness. Sometimes I think they need to be called out, for the good of the discussion and the benefit of observers, though they may act as if they are shocked, just shocked, to have someone get a bit overtly confrontational with them.
July 6, 2017 at 7:53 pm
Again, I did not try to start an argument. Also, for your information, I do not dislike the people posting here, not do I dislike Aftermath, not the people telling their stories on Aftermath. I think it is a valuable public service to expose abuses committed by the CoS. However, Marty has been demonized for saying the show is scripted. Now Brian pops up and confirms that documentaries are scripted. Double standard?
Mike Rinder says
July 6, 2017 at 7:58 pm
Yeah, and I have told you it is not scripted. Nor is it rehearsed or acted. And you keep coming back here to try and argue that. You’re a nuisance.
July 6, 2017 at 8:00 pm
Have you commented on Brian’s post stating documentaries are ALWAYS scripted? Or are you only focusing on me?
Mike Rinder says
July 6, 2017 at 8:20 pm
Who do you think you are?
You have an attitude problem. Now I am for sure ONLY focusing on you. You don’t think that’s fair? You don’t like it?
On The Wall That Trump Won’t Build says
July 6, 2017 at 9:05 pm
I’m new here. I read the mission statement. And have been watching Leah’s and Mike’s show. And going on the internet and reading to see what is going on I came to this blog to learn. Just saying……
July 6, 2017 at 10:26 pm
You talk shit ALL THE TIME over at Marty’s!! About everyone here!
How can you come here and talk to ANYONE? ABOUT ANYTHING.
why do you post here at all?
Mike Rinder says
July 6, 2017 at 11:07 pm
He has decided not to post here any more.
July 6, 2017 at 9:14 pm
Can’t you guys and gals see that this guy, I-am-a-troll-valkov is insane? Is it just me, or isn’t it kind of obvious?
July 7, 2017 at 8:22 am
Imatroll has decided not to post here anymore? Wow, that’s great news! Thanks for letting us know Mike…. It’s about time!
July 7, 2017 at 12:32 pm
Did I do that? I know I wasn’t very nice to him because he’s a dick. I am sorry if he’s not gonna post here anymore is that what you guys wanted? I feel bad I hope Mike’s not mad LOL
Mike Rinder says
July 7, 2017 at 5:29 pm
See my other answer to TJ
July 7, 2017 at 4:12 pm
Well, I did not forsee this outcome, and to be honest, I think all this was a bit much, and kind of extreme. I was only pointing out that valkov’s post to Brian seemed overly confrontational, and was pursuing a silly point, so therefore was unnecessary, and I understand that Mike R. was irritated by this as well, and had some words with him, but I did not anticipate that my post would be the catalyst for a big confrontation with other posters piling on valkov, and the discussion turning so contentious and personal, and I actually don’t feel well about that, as I try to be a person who is respectful of others and contributes positively to whatever forum I am in, and don’t think I was doing that at that point, and truthfully, I don’t think valkov was trying to be a troll, he just had a strong viewpoint, with an annoying way of expressing it, but it was not so terrible that he should be vilified and outcast… it didn’t really rise to that level, and we’ve had much worse posters here. So, I’m thinking that I should take care to choose my words more carefully and thoughtfully in the future, to avoid creating this type of situation again. Sorry for my part in this, I need to stop trying to direct how anyone else expresses themselves in a public forum, it’s a failing of mine.
Mike Rinder says
July 7, 2017 at 5:25 pm
His choice not to comment further here was predicated on his last comments that I sent to the trash. He was challenging me and others in a hostile manner. I think he was trying to see how far he could go. He found out. Nothing to do with you or any other commenter. He chose to keep pushing the limits of decorum and with his choice he bowed out because I don’t want the constant baiting to continue.
What is astonishing to me is that none of these people seem to be aware of their own hostility. I do notice, in some of the end comments, that a few of them seemed to be playing along, and simply trying to match my own inherent abrasiveness. A PR guy, I’ll never be… 🙂
The tip-off to their lies is that as with scientology itself, especially the Church, they proclaim that NOTHING that Marty says could be true. NOTHING. They actually say that it is ALL lies. Evidently they believe,, or so they say, that Scientology and everyone who attempts to find anything positive in it, is completely 100% wrong and discreditable, a second class citizen at best. And Mike Rinder is right in there promoting that kind of attitude. He said he was upset because I implied that there could possibly be some kind of truth in Marty’s videos.
“A PR guy, I’ll never be…”
In this sub-thread you asked Mike if there was a double standard (which of course there was – and always is) and Mike replied “Who do you think you are?” Gee, Val, don’t you know you’re supposed to show deference and be humbly submissive at all times? 🙄
But it’s interesting how we start introverting on our own outpoints – even when we know the playing field isn’t level and is about as insidiously unfair as it could be. I guess we should have been smart enough to bear in mind that we were in shark-infested waters.
Anyway, I’ll take your lack of being a “PR guy” any day!
And on MIke saying that you were the one who “decided” not to post there, I see why I was left with the impression that he himself hadn’t banned you. Funny that he would delete that post of yours, isn’t it (not)?
All of this reminds me of an old-timer who told me scientology can make you better at being whatever you are to start with. So, if you’re a cannibal…. you can become a better, more effective cannibal, right?
Alanzo posted the whole exchange between Mike and me on his blog today: https://alanzosblog.com/mike-rinder-bans-commenter-blog-posting-link-us-senate-investigation-backpage-com/
When I read that he wrote to you that his blog was not to be used for a smear campaign I nearly fell off my chair.
Yeah, its kinda hilarious, because Mike’s whole blog has devolved into a big constant smear of any viewpoint that’s different from his, full of ad hom and all that kind of good stuff. He learned his stuff well, when he was in the Church.
I know, right? Like I just said. I don’t mind so much the people that are referred to as smearers that are willing to say: Yeah, I am totally intolerant of and against….[whatever] and will be as mean as I see fit about it.” At least they’re honest. Rinder? Not honest at all. It might lessen his PR position or his paycheck which is all that guy cares about.
“…calling the knowledge of Tony Ortega’s history of human trafficking a “smear campaign”.”
He even uses the same LANGUAGE and TACTICS he did as Church of Scientology apologist.
We should make a short list of which people he finds “unacceptable” the same as he did when in the Church. Could be interesting.
There’s Arnie Lerma, there’s us, there’s Mark Rathbun (whom he didn’t like in the Church either), there’s Vannier, Robin Adair, let’s see…who else?
According to US magazine, Leah Remini is signed for a new season and she is going after other religions now.
What is the world coming to when a Jewish woman is leading ethnic cleansing campaigns on the Soap Opera channel A & E? Did you know they wanted to do a series of the KKK to normalize them? The protests became so loud they had to cancel.
Anyway, no word as to is Mike has a steady gig as her co star.
Like I said, it was never about Scientology. And she will never get enough satisfaction bullying people.
You are aware they took the “arts” out of the arts and entertainment channel?
“The name was shortened to only A&E in 1995 and in 2003 started marketing with the line “The Art of Entertainment,” which implies something quite different from simply “Arts and Entertainment.” Now the network leans toward a combination of reality shows and true-crime shows.”
So you were right Marty, it IS A reality television network. bUT WHO’S REALITY?
5 Sad Ways A&E Became the Walmart of Television Networks
Yep. She’s going after Jehovah’s Witnesses. I did a post about that recently. The same target as Duplessis and Catholic Bishop Leger went after in (20the century) Canada saying they “felt” communist to them.
She’s probably going to target their “disconnection” practices, and all the poor, poor children that she doesn’t give one shit about unless she is paid to do so.
Gaslighting is a form of manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, hoping to make them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the target and delegitimize the target’s belief.
This is what Ortega and crew are doing for a living. It is their exchange with the world. They are painting a very narrow view of a very broad dynamic that is so tilted it is not even a half-truth. They are getting paid for it, awards and applause. And they feel very good about their exchange. And they have sadistic disregard for the collateral damages in other people’s lives. Even the ones granting them applause who are left sitting in a lie.
I personally do not think there is anything you can say or do to remedy those forces. Sooner or later they will become the effect of their own creations. Anything you depend on you become the effect of. They depend on gaslighting a nation for a living and applause.
They have to live with themselves.
We have to live with ourselves. The good news is we are on different paths heading for different destinations.
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