Going Clear Movie Part 10, Tony ‘Back Page’ Ortega – three time loser
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Mark Rathbun:
Gibney rips off film student’s techniques with Ortega
Tony Ortega got his foot in the door with me during a previous documentary that mainly involved me, Scientologists at War which came out in 2013. They way they used Ortega was, they interspersed him. They would show interviews with me on a subject and then occasionally they would have Ortega come in to interpret what I was saying; and thereby, come to conclusions that they could not get me to come to. And that is how he was used throughout that. He was taking what I was saying and turning it into something that it wasn’t. That is what they pretty skillfully did. And that was their technique. So, then Going Clear comes along. What blows me away is that Alex Gibney gets all these accolades. It is just this cult of celebrity culture we live in. It is like, once you are recognized by somebody you are somebody go be lionized. Gibney wasn’t original in the slightest. He used the exactly same thing in Going Clear that those fellows had done in Scientologists at War. And those guys, by the way, were novice filmmakers. The guys from the UK, they worked for a guy who was a producer who had won Oscars. But this was part of a program where he was taking promising young directors and saying ‘here, here’s all this stuff; go make a documentary.” So Gibney actually ripped off from these cinematography students this technique and basically used the same thing. I mean, if you get the book Going Clear, and go to the index and look for “Tony Ortega”. He’s not there. Zero pages. He is not even in it. Now, we go to the movie which is, according to Gibney, a recreation of the book, and now Tony Ortega is suddenly the critical link to everything. The reason I say, he’s the critical link to everything, is not because he has more air time, but it is more critical, crucial air time, because Gibney uses Ortega exactly the same way the folks did in Scientologists at War. And that is, he bridges. He’ll be putting together this salacious segment and it just doesn’t quite add up. And then, all the sudden there is Tony Ortega with a convenient soundbite that sort of leads you to this conclusion. And it is interspersed throughout the film. I told Gibney, it may even be in writing, I told him “in posterity, that is dumbest thing you ever did. This guy (Ortega) is a troll, he’s an avowed anti Scientologist, he has no personal experience, and you putting into this movie cheapens it and turns it into a propaganda piece. And it does. He has no personal experience.
Tony Ortega and the Village Voice
The CEO and one of the directors of the Village Voice (where Ortega ran a lot of his earlier anti Scientology campaigning) ultimately got indicted and arrested for running prostitution, human trafficking of minors. That was the main source of income for the Village Voice publication at the time. And so, they got to get rid of Ortega because – according to Ortega – Ortega told me, “it turns out the church’s accusations and investigations into the Voice were more true than anyone believed.” Essentially the Village Voice was bought and paid for through the human trafficking Back Page ads. As a solution they wanted to get out from under the scrutiny of the church; and of course Tony Ortega was doing nothing at the Village Voice other than by becoming what he became, a full time Anti Scientologist. And so, he wasn’t helping general circulation with his editing work. He was harming it. And all he was doing was bringing the scrutiny of the church upon them. So, what they decided to do was to give Ortega a sweet honey package to go off and do what he wanted to do, which was to write a book about Scientology. And it was a pretty sweet package because he was at it for two years. He got to go shopping it for the next two years, doing nothing else but shopping.
Ortega Channels Miserable Old Lady
So, Ortega gets his package and what does he do? He goes and get this woman who settled all her differences with the church 35 years ago and gets her to unsettle. Paulette Cooper. Because she’s got this story of going after the church, and the church going after her, that’s a very salacious story that had been told in the seventies. And then she had subsequent litigation and then she settled in 1981. 35 years later he is going resurrect her in the hopes that maybe he can become her. I think the guy is unbelievable disappointed that Scientology didn’t take the bait and come after him. I mean, he’s been trolling so hard. Here’s this guy and talks with all this air of authority and he’s done “this, this, this, this, this, and this” and all he can talk about in terms of harassment is what happened to the woman who he wrote a book about, that happened forty years ago, not to him, but the woman he wrote a book about.
Ortega and the ASC (Anti Scientology Cult) sum up
This is this whole ASC (Anti Scientology Cult) culture of “your narrative is my narrative”. “we’re all one great big narrative”, just this big cluster. “You suffered that and therefore I suffered that and therefore everybody ought to be in fear of suffering that.” And, that is Tony Ortega.
Going Clear Movie Part 9, Paul Haggis Phony Narrative
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Mark Rathbun:
Paul Haggis, Wright and Gibney lied about Scientology’s position Homosexuality
They have Alex Gibney saying that “Paul Haggis’ daughters were openly harassed by church members for being gay.” I’ve been through the book three times now – there is no evidence of that and I never even heard any evidence of that from Paul Haggis. They suffered a couple of slights from peers is what the accusation was. But now they are being “openly harassed.” Because, now this is a movie, “and we’re going to make this more dramatic,’ I guess. And Gibney says “Investigating further, Haggis discovered church doctrine which characterized homosexuality as “a disease” that only Hubbard’s teachings can cure.” It is never categorized as a disease. Unlike the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the APA (American Psychiatric Association) who until the mid seventies had homosexuality listed as a mental disorder. It was not a disease. I’ve been through this before. It is a single characteristic to take into consideration in a series of 48 characteristics – in that you must have a majority of those characteristics, in ordered to be considered to at a particular emotional tone. And that is written in 1951. And there is a subsequent body of written statements by L. Ron Hubbard that he didn’t give a rat’s ass about somebody’s sexuality. And it was firm church policy that one wouldn’t be concerned with one’s sexual preference. That now is branded “a disease” according to Alex Gibney. And by the way, again it is “all in present time”, taking a statement from 1950, twenty five years before the APA and mental health in general decided it wasn’t a disease.
Paul Haggis lies about timing of his resignation
At 143:30, Paul Haggis says “I can’t support an organization that supports human rights for everyone, so I wrote a letter resigning.” No, he did not. He wrote a letter resigning a year and half after this dispute he had regarding a particular stance one church of scientology took on an issue. He had aired all his disagreements on that and a year and half later for intervening reasons we have discuss – which had to do with embarrassment about things that were said in the press – he only then wrote a letter.
Paul Haggis acts out a fiction on how he left the church
At 144:00 Haggis said, “his friends in Scientology said ‘we need you to resign quietly’,” and Haggis said, “I don’t do that. I don’t do quiet.” Like he is John Wayne again, right? Mr. Macho. Except, it is exactly what he did. And he went through a lot of different machinations to make it appear that he was doing it quietly. In fact, he included me in it, plotted with Jason Beghe about ways he could use my media contacts to leak to them so that Haggis would appear to have no causative involvement. In other words, he was taking extreme measures over several months to try to snipe from the weeds. He wanted to make it look like he wasn’t involved whatsoever (in loud publication of his resignation), and cause damage through the ‘leaking’ of his letter. So, first of all Paul Haggis never told his scientology friends “I don’t do that, I don’t do quiet.” He gave them the impression that he would do it quietly. So, that is a lie. And then his subsequent behavior, which is documented, that he did it as quietly as he could while creating the maximum possible media impact against the church.