Time Out for the Tao

Having noticed certain shortcomings in my own conduct of late, I turned to the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu as I often do.  I am noting some passages below that particularly rang applicable given current events.  Maybe they’ll also provide some food for thought for others too.  For those folk who are still so programmed to believe any wisdom outside of Scientology is deleterious, a few words by L Ron Hubbard on the Tao Te Ching:

“It says that man could seek his Tao-hood in various ways, but he would have to practice and live in a certain way in order to achieve Tao-hood.  Now, there’s no reason to belabor this any further, but it would amaze  you that this book is a very civilized piece of work.  It would be the kind of civilized work which you would expect maybe to appear from a very, very educated, extremely compassionate, pleasant people of a higher intellectual order than we are accustomed to read.  It is a very fine book.  It’s sort of simple, it’s sort of naive and it tells you that you should be simple and economical and should do this and that.   And that is, by the way, about the only flaw there is in it from a Scientological point of view: that you must be economical. [laughter] That one is a little off the groove. But the rest of “The Way”, who knows but what if we took the Tao just as written and knowing what we already know about Scientology, we simply set out to practice the Tao.  I don’t know but what we wouldn’t get a Theta Clear.”  – lecture Scientology, Its General Background, Part II, the Phoenix lectures.

Selected passages from Tao Te Ching:

There is no greater illusion than fear, no greater wrong than preparing to defend yourself, no greater misfortune than having an enemy.  Whoever can see through fear will always be safe.

If a country is governed with tolerance, the people are comfortable and honest.

If a country is governed with repression, the people are depressed and crafty.

The Master views the parts with compassion, because he understands the whole. His constant practice is humility.  He doesn’t glitter like a jewel but lets himself be shaped by the Tao, as rugged and common as a stone.

When the great Tao is forgotten, goodness and piety appear.  When the body’s intelligence declines, cleverness and knowledge step forth. When there is no peace in the family, filial piety begins. When the country falls into chaos, patriotism is born.

Fill your bowl to the brim and it will spill.  Keep sharpening your knife and it will blunt.  Chase after money and security and your heart will never unclench.  Care about people’s approval and you will be their prisoner.  Do your work, then step back. The only path to serenity.

He who stands on tiptoe doesn’t stand firm. 

He who rushes ahead doesn’t go far.

He who tries to shine dims his own light.

He who defines himself can’t know who he really is.

He who has power over others can’t empower himself.

He who clings to his work will create nothing that endures.

If you want to accord with the Tao, just do your job, then let go.

A great nation is like a great man: when he makes a mistake, he realizes it.

Having realized it, he admits it.

Having admitted it, he corrects it.

He considers those who point out his faults as his most benevolent teachers.

He thinks of his enemy as the shadow he himself casts.

What is a good man but a bad man’s teacher?

What is a bad man but a good man’s job?

If you don’t understand this, you will get lost, however intelligent you are.

It is the great secret.

175 responses to “Time Out for the Tao

  1. simple, powerful words. Thank you for sharing!

  2. Summer Wind

    It’s what I like about the Tao – there’s no getting around it, it’s the truth that we all find eventually.

  3. That’s pretty awesome!

  4. Calming! Wonderful.

  5. Your humble servant

    Great passages, Marty. Thank you. One can always count on the Tao for solace, hope, and re-centering. What a great book!

  6. Simple. Beautiful. Powerful.

    Thank you for starting my day out so well, and thank you for setting such an excellent example of self- awareness and wisdom, Marty.

  7. Strength & humility, two sides of the same coin. Carry this coin in your pocket, ponder its wealth often and I think you will be rich beyond measure. Thank-you Marty for the wonderful re-mind-ers.

  8. Wow!. Just, wow.

  9. Marty, I don’t know what “certain shortcomings” you’re referring to, but I would simply say that you have demonstrated real grace under pressure. I have no idea how I would react were I to be subjected to almost constant harassment you’ve had to deal with, but I think it’s safe to say that it would test just about anyone.

    Just remember you have plenty of people on your side, both in your current hometown and outside of it. The squirrel-ees are trying to break you down and would love nothing more than to provoke a reaction from you. Don’t give them the satisifaction! Keep in mind, some of those people are eventually going to show up at your doorstep needing your help to repair their jacked-up cases.

  10. Wisdom is timeless and universal. Thanks, Marty. These are excellent points to ponder.

  11. Today’s prayer: Please, please, please, DM read this.

  12. Mareka James

    A very enlightening read. I think it’s always good to allow ourselves the indulgence of self-reflection. I believe it is the only road to wisdom and truth. There are some out there that could hardly contemplate such a thing. Again you show your greatness. Thank you, Marty.

  13. 該方式不採取行動,但葉沒有撤消。

    The Way takes no action, but leaves nothing undone.

    Native State

  14. Thanks for sharing what’s worth sharing, Marty.


  15. Wow, Marty, those are great quotes — I particularly liked all of them. 🙂

    Hey, yesterday I just happened to post a short note prefacing a new article by Outside The Box (an articulate, long-time Scientologist who is still under the radar). His article is on the subject of intolerance, and it reminded me of an LRH-recommended book I read while I was at the Int base. And as you noted, there were quite a number of books LRH recommended people read. This one, was called “Tolerance” (1925) and was written by Hendrik Willem Van Loon, a prolific and well-known Dutch-American author. I liked the book when I read it — Van Loon (pronounced “loan”) — covers the subject of tolerance and intolerance down through the ages. So yesterday I ordered a copy on Amazon and plan to give it a read in a new unit of time. When I get done, I’ll post a review. Thanks again for posting these spectacular quotes from the Tao.

    As for those people who are still programmed to believe any wisdom outside of Scientology is deleterious, that was one of the things I most despised about the “ruling class” at the Int base. I can’t think of a more anti-Scientology, asinine viewpoint.

    LRH said Scientology means “knowing how to know.” Scientology provides the tools and yardsticks necessary to investigate what other people have written through the ages, and to easily and effortlessly isolate the gold from the slag. While Scientology does provide a wealth of knowledge in itself, LRH intended people to USE Scientology to enrich their own life by learning from others, as he did himself. And that certainly means reading, looking and learning.

  16. This a truly beautiful blog entry. Thank you, Marty. As for:

    “A great nation is like a great man: when he makes a mistake, he realizes it.

    Having realized it, he admits it.

    Having admitted it, he corrects it.”

    I do not think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.
    Abraham Lincoln

  17. disinfected

    Yes, wonderful words.

    Realize, Marty, that the entire purpose of the Squirrelbuster presence, the entire purpose of in-your-face Freedom “reporters” is to provoke you, Marty, to bad behavior which can then be caught on video and used to show the world (mainly, the fence-sitting Scientologists) what an obvious nutcase you are. They have no other purpose. When you rise to their taunts, you write your own dead-agent pack.

  18. Puts it all together very neatly for me.
    Thanks Marty.

  19. Brian Culkin


    Marty- Self Inspection towards a road to higher human attributes is not easy. Thank you for your leadership in this post.

    When I lived at Esalen I became very interested in the Buddhist-Beatnick SF culture that Esalen was so essential in playing a role in the 60’s. Lawrence Ferlinghetti and Kerouac are two that come to mind that influenced me in a big way.

    The Kerouac quote I love the most:

    “the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes ‘Awww!”

    I personally do not feel Scientology is “the only road” or even “the best road” to spiritual enlightenment.

    Axiom #2 is very clear about that. The best road to enlightenment is simply what a being considers or postulates it to be. Considerations are senior to even Scientology itself as it exists in MEST.

    I find Scientology to be a fascinating and rewarding subject. There is plenty I fully agree with and aspects I do not.

    I personally believe that if Scientology had competent, effective, and spiritually aware leadership it could make a profound difference on the Planet.

    I will happily admit that some of the work they do now (The Way To Happiness, VM’s, Anti-Drug Campaigns, etc.) is helpful and positive but we all know how inauthentic these campaigns truly are. We know this because all of us in someway- those who post, or those who simply read- know the truth to the various abuses that are rampant within Scientology. I know about these not because I read about them, I know from my own living experience. I have personal knowledge of what it is like to be essentially locked in a room while ten people demand 250,000 dollars from you. I know what it is like when you say “No” that there is virtually zero respect and zero granting of beingness. To experience something like this numerous times and then go to an event and see the good Scientology does in the world (and it does) is awful. I clearly remember the sickening feeling in my stomach at an event one time. I looked around at all the people clapping in glee and was wondering “Are there any real people here? Is everyone a living wax sculpture? I want to meet real people.”

    If I was to describe my experience and observations of organized Corporate Scientology in one word it would be: Inauthentic.

    There is no authenticity. They do not want to admit any vunerability, weakness, or wrongness. I couldn’t imagine living like that. I couldn’t imagine pretending to infallible and right 100% of the time. What a sad life!

    This is the basic difference: Marty admits faults and weakness and we admire him for that. We admire him because its a genuine human experience that we can all identify with and the persistence ends of his “wrongness.”
    DM is too afraid to admit any weakness, he perpetrates the lie of “OT=Superhuman nonsense” and the rest of the BS. He inverts the technology to prey on people’s weakness rather than facilitate true transformation. And the lies persist. They get solid. Why? There is 0 Admiration! Its right in the Factors.

    Truly sad.

    Thank you for the authenticity Marty. Thank you for not being perfect.

  20. Beautiful!

  21. Love this post. And I love this book — I carry it in my purse. Thanks for the suggestion, Marty 🙂

    Improvements don’t require much effort. All we have to do is just a little better today than yesterday.

    Movin’ on up,

  22. It takes a big being to acknowledge having shortcomings.
    It takes a really big being to publicly acknowledge them.

    My hat is off to you, Marty.


  23. 2 1/2% are not capable of introspection.

  24. Brian — your cogent, eloquent post, as is routine with you, is a bullseye.

    I don’t agree with you that Scientology is not the best road to spiritual enlightenment. But I do agree it is not perfect. And having learned from others on this blog, and some of the “Suggested Reading” that Marty has offered and the wisdom of other commenters, especially those who have taught by example what buddhism really represents in terms of peace and intelligence, I also agree that it is not the ONLY road.

    I have a great deal of respect for the breadth of knowledge and experience you demonstrate. It’s the sort of life that LRH led, and I believe he hoped everyone to lead. A life of adventure and experience, charging over the ramparts, devoid of blinders and “now we’re supposed to’s” and free to truly think for yourself.

  25. I think we have a great opportunity here to resolve all of the issues stated on this blog. DM could have a cognition! He could recognize that Marty is his best friend and has pointed out needed corrections in his organization that he, David, by undoing all Qual functions at the highest level, has allowed to veer from the path of optimum survival, that which LRH set in place for the benefit of all mankind. All beings operate on the Theta/ MEST Theory. You crash into the wall, bounce off with an impression of the wall, cognite “I don’t have to do that again”, go along merrily until you crash into another wall. This new wall has a new lesson in you evolution as a being.

  26. Bert Schippers


  27. Thanks for the Tao quotes, Marty

    The quotes communicate some of the core values of the Tech of Non-violent Action.

    Without the right values and Tech, there exists a vacuum. Too often what will fill the vacuum? “Tech” and “values” from the reactive mind. As we know, that “tech” and those values– the attitudes and computations in the reactive mind – when acted on, results in loss.

    It is easy to get restimulated when persecuted by a tyrant, and to lash out at everyone in the scene, such as the tyrant’s supporters and the country itself (in this case, DM’s supporters and the Church). That results in failure, as you turn the people against you and bond them more strongly to the tyrant.* You also do not gain the support of outsiders, as you can appear to have a similar nature to the tyrant.

    Having the correct attitudes and Tech provides a guide to effective behavior while under attack, allowing one to spot reactive impulses and not act on them.

    The Tao quote is a good guide. Thanks, again, Marty.


    *Yes, the supporters have their own ethics situations, just as many of us did; that is not the point. Non-violent warfare does not have as its immediate objective “getting everyone’s ethics in.” Rather, it seeks to bring down the tyrant, to open the door to the ending of abuses.

    Winning over the tyrant’s Pillars of Support, granting them amnesties, etc. is a key target in bringing down tyrants. It is not a question of “what they deserve,” but of freeing the country or group of tyranny.

  28. Thanks Marty,

    A couple of those passages hit me right between the eyes.

    You can even audit people via your blog, it seems. 🙂

  29. martyrathbun09

    That is one purpose. There is more to it actually; which the world shall soon see.

  30. martyrathbun09

    Thanks for the recommendation Steve, I’ll read it

  31. Climbing a 9' High Board Fence

    Thank you for posting this. I have the Tao on my phone and turn to it in times of difficulty. It is the Tao that brought solace and understanding in those movements of extricating myself from the labyrinth that Corp Scn had become. When what seemed as “no way out” situations, the Tao was there.
    Again, thank you for posting this, reflecting on it’s use and truth.

  32. This seems to be well taken and I am glad it is. In Scn it was expected for us to rise above the insanity. Now it needs to be expected for us to raise above THEIR insanity. In watching your videos I am often worried that at some time someone is going to get hurt. I would never want that to happen. But I for one would not torrerate what they are doing to you and your family and am not sure what I would do in your situation. I hope it resolves itself soon.

  33. Joy Graysen

    I want to thank you for this post Marty. It’s simplicity and truth are endless and therefore of infinite value.
    I haven’t commented in a while and that is because I didn’t feel I could add to your comments with a “What Is Greatness” point of view that wouldn’t seem preachy or make anyone feel wrong. I believe what we have escaped is an ignorance so deeply rooted and a suppression so well crafted that the only way we can ever be effective is to stay above the nagging itch to drop down the tone scale. Yes-it’s fun to laugh at the absurdity of it all, or cry over the injustice or rail against the cruelty, but we understand it, we don’t have to become the opposing reality in the mirror’s reflection.
    We must lead the way out- with unflinching truth, tolerance, compassion and understanding. We must be kind to the blind onces and teach them by example. We must continue to throw the rope down the well and pull them out one by one. That to me is our mission.
    Thank you Marty, once again for your light.

  34. Thanks Marty. Have not read the Tao yet but I am going to purchase it today.

    The Phoenix Lectures are pretty good too 😉

  35. Marty,
    I used to love ethics tech before it became so warped and disappeared into one big “Justice” cesspool. So when I see someone apply it and put their own ethics in, I get very excited.
    Well done for spotting the ethics sit and applying the correct tech. (The Tao is so calming). This greatly improves all of our chances of making positive change in the COM debacle.

  36. “DM could have a cognition”. Didn’t compute. System crash – 404 errror.

  37. Cowboy Poet

    Man believes there is becomingness when there is only beingness.

    (Or something along that line but that’s pretty darn close if not it. Somebody can give the source of those words, please)

  38. Tory Christman’s story of Andreas Heldal Lund’s interaction with her as she was banging on the Church’s critics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o9W5zrPlKI) is an example of the Tao in many respects and should be a lesson to the C of S and to independents and to critics. Tory turned from a hardened, calloused attacker to a person who could finally see that there were more sides to the story, not by caving in to pressure and antagonism from a bunch of people calling her a “moron” but by a few kind words from someone she considered her enemy.

    “There is no greater illusion than fear, no greater wrong than preparing to
    defend yourself, no greater misfortune than having an enemy. Whoever can see through fear will always be safe.”

    I know or have met a lot of the people who have arrived on Marty’s doorstep. They are people who have had cognitions in session that could have been paraphrased and plopped right in the middle of a translation of the Tao and you would not have blinked; it would have all been in alignment. They know about love and they know about communication and they hold close to their hearts the same things that every other person does.

    They want to love and when they go home after antagonizing Marty and his wife and their neighbors there’s an ulcer and heartburn a-brewing!

    And it’s got to be the same with every person who greets the world around him with antagonism rather than with an effort to make peace. No matter how “right” one is feeling in his hatred or antagonism.

    I believe that we can not really control another’s feelings or thoughts. Our best chances at changing others is through changing our own thoughts and feelings and leaving out of the equation others thoughts and feelings about us… and that’s doable. (“A being causes his own feelings.” LRH).

    The being who wrote the Tao wrote it in a tone level of 8.0 (aesthetics) or above. Doesn’t it make sense when Ron says in Science of Survival that we can really only work with angry people when we are at a tone of enthusiasm or higher?

    Independent Scientologists clashing with C of S Scientologists and videoing it and putting it on youtube makes all concerned look childish and whiney; it’s not good for either camp; there are no winners.

  39. Thanks Marty, and hang in there buddy! Tao, along with LRH, is the best!

  40. There should be a lot of things for us to learn in this world,
    not only in Scientology.

  41. Li Po (Olivier Gilet)

    Full ack! Non-dual (theta) perception is the answer. Obviously you are doing what you are doing when you are doing it….Much love to you and Mosey
    olivier Gilet

  42. Ahh, like a breath of fresh air…
    Gee it’s good to see some sanity. For so long the shackles of robotism were cast by those who misunderstood Scientology and act like drill sergeants.
    Wonderful stuff and I’m so glad to see something like this on these comm lines.

  43. Mike Hobson

    The Factors.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist

  44. Li Po (Olivier Gilet)

    Point 27 of the Factors 🙂

  45. Pretty close,
    Factor 27 There is beingness, but Man believes there is only becomingness.

  46. Before Scientology, in my quest for the truth, I studied Eastern thought and was bowled over by it’s beauty and wisdom.I studied a lot of other philosophies and therapies and found chunks that appealed to me. I believe people need to find out about things all around them. It has never shaken my complete faith in my path that I have chosen-(to me a path shouldn’t be easily shaken.)

  47. Tony DePhillips

    Hi Marty,
    Thanks for the wise words.
    Nobody is perfect. That was the whole point of getting into Scientology. Either to help oneself or others achieve a better existence was the goal.
    Radical miscavology tries to enforce “perfection”. It really is only a control mechanism.
    We are all imperfect beings. I would rather be involved with people starting from that point than work with people that try to enforce some “perfection” or sanctimonious state.
    I don’t want to live up to others expectations of who I should be or how I should be. I for one don’t expect that of you either.
    You are a good man, that is obvious for anyone capable of looking.
    That the cult tries to demonize you and others is a testament to their own degraded condition. We all know that members of the cult have thier own abberations. We are not trying to point those out with the exception of their abuses to others couched in the name of help.

    It always struck me as odd that the church was so worried about my short comings and yet has no ability to see or admit to their own. I always thought that it should be a two way street.

  48. The wind blows, the mountain is unmoved.

  49. Brilliantly stated.

    Almost every impulse in the reactive bank says that “What is Greatness” is wrong.

    Those impulses are what is wrong.

    LRH is right.


    P.S. To “keep it real,” I quote from a, shall we say, definitely grounded character, Don Vito Corleone, in “The Godfather”:

    “Don’t hate your enemies. It clouds your judgment.”

  50. Steve,
    The perennial question – what IS “Scientology”.

    The first mention of the term by LRH is in a tape, 28 Dec 1951, CHART OF ATTITUDES, where he defines it as clearly as it ever has been:
    “This channel should probably be called something like Scientology (a new coined word); it probably should be. What is it? It is a route—the study of science or the study of truth or the study of knowledge—because it is “the study of”.”

  51. Excellent post Marty and good on ya for such extroversion. On the original Minister’s Course back in the day we studied many religions. This is a part of the overall concept of Scientology.

  52. I love this quote,
    “There is no greater illusion than fear, no greater wrong than preparing to defend yourself, no greater misfortune than having an enemy. Whoever can see through fear will always be safe.”

    It was my fear of looking, communicating, acting. It was my fear of what will the church do to me, what lies will be told about me, loosing my friends and family, being betrayed by people pretending to be my friends, not finding new friends, etc, etc etc. It was this fear that kept me jailed and I was the jailer.

    It was when I managed to muster up some courage that my life changed for the better, forever!

  53. Like Thoughtful, I particularly liked all of the quotes…thanks very much for sharing.

  54. Well put, Steve. That particular viewpoint you referenced: ” As for those people who are still programmed to believe any wisdom outside of Scientology is deleterious…” was something I picked up myself from a former LRH Comm PAC, voiced to me back in 1978-79, That self crippling viewpoint has been around a long time! Any idea where it came from?

  55. Dan, well said.

    “Tory turned from a hardened, calloused attacker to a person who could finally see that there were more sides to the story, not by caving in to pressure and antagonism from a bunch of people calling her a “moron” but by a few kind words from someone she considered her enemy.”

    Pan-determinism works. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution

    It is a basic element of the Tech of Non-violent Warfare,


  56. Thanks for posting this Marty,

    Very wise words.

  57. Joy Graysen

    Here, here!! I AGREE!!! Brilliant!

  58. That’s so wonderful!

  59. That viewpoint has certainly existed in prior churches: “nothing outside the Koran is worth reading,” Catholic heresy inquisitions against those who looked at anything they didn’t deem correct, etc. Not all people are persuaded by these attitudes but once enough people espouse them, the others shut up for fear they will be punished. I wonder how many people in the Sea Org are just “shutting up” to keep out of harm’s way?

  60. You have promised this “shall soon see” thing several times. Please identify the thing when it is revealed so we’ll know it’s the one you meant, because sometimes I go, “Did we ever find out what he meant by X?”

  61. Well said

  62. I like that one.

  63. For The Scholars:

    Excerpts from Stephen Pearl Andrews 1871 publication –

    58. SCIENTOLOGY, is, on the contrary, that Branch or Aspect of Universology in which the Universe is considered and treated as consecutively and logically evolved from the Three Abstract Universal Principles above specified (2, 45 see below), related to the Three Primary Numbers. It is, in other words, the Logical and Mathematical Evolution of Being universally, from the Primordial Categories or Basis-Thoughts of Being. Scientology is therefore Universology developed in the spirit of the Exact Sciences, and is wholly new in kind. It is the Core or Centre and the most distinctive Department of Universology, that in which the discovery of this New Universal Science mainly consists; but it is proportionally less popular, in character, and more remote from old and existing scientific ideas.

    2. IDENTIFICATION (with each other), by ECHO OF SAMENESS, (which is Correspondence or Analogy), of the Prime Elements of All Spheres of Being.

    45. The word-termination -ismus is used to denote a Realm or Domain of Being. These Three Domains are therefore, 1. THE NATURISMUS, 2. THE SCIENTISMUS, and
    3. THE ARTISMUS, of Being.

    It will be the supreme triumph of Scientology, the Exact Branch of this new Universal Science, to exhibit in Diagram, and by illustrative object-teaching, all the
    Root-thoughts of which the Human Mind is capable,

    SCIENTOLOGY, defined, is new, of Language and of the Universe. Universological, a third Abstract Science; Universological, asserts the supremacy of Spirit over Matter, of The Abstract over The Concrete; final triumph of, what will be.

    Andrews was one of the first to use the word “scientology”. The word is defined as a neologism in his 1871 book The Primary Synopsis of Universology and Alwato: The New Scientific Universal Language. In the 1870s Andrews promoted Joseph Rodes Buchanan’s Psychometry besides his own Universology predicting that a priori derived knowledge would supersede empirical science as exact science.

    Andrews book has been republished on October 14, 2010

    This data of Andrews reads as the foundation for the Factors, the Axioms and Logics.

    CONDITIONS OF EXISTENCE to the Ls: OGDEN’s BASIC ENGLISH, OPERATIONS – 100 words … be, do, have … 1930, Basic English: A General Introduction with Rules and Grammar and other works such as The Key to Life Course.

  64. Cowboy Poet

    Thanks for the help, folks.
    My point: Its simplicity and succinctness that conveys in much the same as what was posted from the Tao.
    It circumvents one heck of a lotta sh*t!!!

  65. Yes, McGins and Lynne, very good points. And Marty, I wasn’t really suggesting you read it — you’ve already got the tolerance of a saint. One reason I left Int was I was afraid of going to jail for taking DM apart one day. I knew his supporters would lie (as is the moral code there) and provide affidavits to law enforcement that my actions were “entirely unprovoked.” LRH talks about the deeply rooted hatred people feel toward a being who implanted them. If that ferocity ever became uncorked… ooh… the thought itself is grim indeed. And I am sure I’m not the only one who left for the same reason.

    Regarding the origin of the bigoted, robotic shunning of anything not “approved,” some people point to KSW as the “Why.” But clearly, that is not correct because it doesn’t open the door to a handling.

    The situation is a symptom caused by the lack of personal integrity. Personal integrity, as I understand it now, mandates one’s own personal viewpoint in all matters judgmental; and along with that goes the absolute refusal of the right of intervention to any and all outside forces, beings or groups.

    LRH put out a definition of Responsibility in about 1985 which amazed me. I don’t have a copy today, but paraphrased it went something like this: “Responsibility: the refusal of the right of intervention to any person or group that would come between you and whatever it is you are taking responsibility for.” That’s a pretty poor paraphrase, but the concept is there. I hope someone has a copy and will post a correctly quoted version here.

    Boy, with personal integrity, one must always consult and follow one’s own gut feeling and knowingness, and never negate it.

    Without personal integrity, beings simply follows the party line and are robotic and degraded.

    It’s weird, but since I finally came to appreciate this subject and its role in life, the nightmares I used to occasionally suffer about being “back on the Int base” are gone. The last time I dreamed about being back on the Int base was before I realized personal integrity is the button that turns off any nightmare experience. That was, gosh, maybe 8 months ago? Before that I had at least 1 or 2 nightmares a month.

    Going out integrity is the first thing that happened on the line, and is how a being opens the door to disaster. Before every personal nightmare due to DM and his suppressive henchmen, one violated his own personal integrity. Violate your personal integrity and what follows is guaranteed to be a nightmare.

    LRH told Tony Hitchman that he believed the people on Earth were put here to learn a lesson and work things out. I’m wondering if that isn’t the key lesson of this planet, if it is indeed — as LRH theorized in the PDC lectures, a prison planet.

    I have have seen that anything bad that ever happened to me — I can follow it back and before I became a victim, I violated my own personal integrity by agreeing to be there, etc. It’s funny, but when I spot or dwell on that, I invariably feel a sense of that peace that Lao Tzu spoke of.

    One other interesting adjoining datum: LRH said in the PDC lectures that sanity depends on a being able to both create and destroy. So the point is not just to wander off with a smile on our faces, now “at peace.” No, DM is still busy destroying Scientology and harming others. So we must take him out and bring all the ferocity we can muster to wipe him out.

  66. Much wisdom.

  67. OK, I’m curious.

  68. Nice, Marty.

  69. +1

    Absolutes are unobtainable, and it is a fool’s errand to try to enforce perfection. (However, to aspire to perfection is a good thing!)

  70. Ralph Hilton

    SPs don’t have cognitions. They perceive all of life from the past time and location in which they are stuck. Such precludes cognitions.

  71. Yvonne Schick

    I once did about 8 intensives of sec checking at Flag after I had the EP of OT VII because I had had an earlier run in with the IAS reg on the ship. Bottom line of all the questions was “has COB missed a withhold on you”. The worst we could come up with – for which I paid financially and by doing the KSW course for the second time and by going back home to continue VII – my big crime – I had in my possession books about life and spirituality that were not written by LRH. Obviously this was no crime in my universe, but I was willing to take that wrong indication in order to get my butt away from Flag. Such fun stories. Glad it is all laughable memories now.

  72. Yvonne Schick

    Big smile!

  73. Yvonne Schick

    Thank you, Marty. For the content of the post and for the heart from which it came. I am so proud to call you friend. ml, Yvonne

  74. Brian Culkin

    Hey Mike-

    Back at you. You are someone I definitely look up to and admire.

  75. Thanks for a more exterior view, while still keeping your eye on the mountain!

    Thanks all for the most excellent quotes & diverse concepts.

  76. Marty, when you said, “Having noticed certain shortcomings in my own conduct of late…” I had to smile.

    I tried to think of the last time I heard anyone still in the CoS say something like this and I could not remember one. Certainly you’d never get it from the staff at St Hill. To give you all an example, I got screwed over by a certain staff member (acting MAA – surprise, surprise) and I intimated to her senior that an apology would go some way towards assuring me that they were serious about delivering the service that I had paid for. She agreed and said that she would speak to the MAA.

    So, I went round to her office a little while later, but subsequently wished I hadn’t bothered. When I asked her why she had done what she did (declared me PTS and thus ineligible for further services), she claimed that she “couldn’t remember” (yeah right, like you declare people PTS all the time for no reason), but worst of all, she said “It was an incorrect action on my part.” Just that.

    I wasn’t expecting a grovelling apology or even the sackcloth and ashes routine, but if she had said “Look, I made a really bad mistake. I am so sorry for the incalculable upset and misery I obviously caused you Ax. I’ll take steps to ensure that it never happens again”, then I would have respected that.

    Instead, I was left with no doubt that the staff were taught to never admit any weakness to the public and so could never look at their own behaviour and take responsibility for it.

    Anyway, I digress. The fact that you can look at yourself AND take action to correct a perceived fault is a testament to how far you have come since leaving the cult behind. And, from what I have seen, you have been a paragon of restraint. The behaviour of these ‘Squirrel Busters’ has been disgusting and cowardly. Clearly the intent is to intimidate and provoke you into doing something that they can use against you. But even if anything DID happen, I’m sure any court would see the evidence of what you and Monique and your friends have been subjected to and conclude that this was a sustained and orchestrated campaign of intimidation more appropriate to The Mob than a ‘church’.

    The fact that you are getting so much attention shows that you must be doing something right. Keep up the good work!


  77. Where do you get 2 1/2%?

  78. Marty, Chinese people are a huge influence here in the community I live in. There is a cemetary up the street that has an entire section dedicated just to the far east. All of the headstones are written in either Korean or Chinese. I do not read Chinese or understand it, but it is a beautiful language, simple, gentle and never threatening. I know a very man Chinese people, but learning their customs as a westerner can be difficult for some people. Very good on your adaptability and ability to find wisdom not just in the words of L. Ron Hubbard but others as well.

  79. There is a saying: “it’s all Greek to me”. The Greek equivalent of that is “it’s all Chinese to me”. 🙂

  80. Is this the “Pigs fly” theory? I’ve heard about that.
    Still waitin’… 😉

  81. Marty,
    Why is it that everytime I’m ready to fly off the handle and lash out at “stoopidness” around me, you have to COME ALONG… and be all RATIONAL! Calm, cool, rational, logical thought.

    Taking all the fun outta my HE & R!! That’s what your doin’! Sheesh!
    Don’t worry, I’ll forgive you. 😉 LOL

    (*Disclaimer* I’m a dedicated and professional smartass. Don’t try this at home.)

  82. Yvonne, that is fascinating, because if the Sec Checking consisted of whether or not COB missed a W/H on anybody, what proven evidence is there he has no overts himself? There isn’t any. I have heard this many, many times. It was suggested to me by a registrar at Flag when I was there who “took over my cycle” from the reg I originally had that left and was replaced, that I need a Security Check before I start my Purification Rundown at Flag for the first time? Why? If I was regged for the service would a Sec Check be needed before I start? It is better to know, than not to know I guess.

  83. Yvonne,
    Thank you for sharing this. It helps bring about understanding. ml, Laura Ann

  84. Thoughtful, I cannot express enough my complete agreement with you. I agree with all of it. One’s personal integrity helps to protect one from situations like that. I remember years ago I never used to think that the church could or would deliberately try to provoke other people into doing overts so people in the church could then lie to one another to cover for an instigator. But, it became a fact of life after I went to Flag, especially worse since I was not a frequent public there, it was my first and last time to the base and will be for some time to come. I hope that helps.

  85. Amazing….I was just listening to this LRH lecture last night: 5211c07-Force as Homo Sapiens Ans As Thetan – Responsibility

    Here is a quote: “Because the only way to have, is to create, and then not have. Just create and not-have, create and not-have, create and not-have will put you in full command of time and make you cause without ever getting an effect. And the magician wanted this answer, oh my god how he wanted that answer, and there it is for you. If you create, create, create,
    create, create you never violate the 2nd law of magic ‘do not be
    hoist by your own petard’, do not be an effect to your own cause…..
    So how do you avoid this…..never borrow money from a bank, make it! Never accept something as a gift, make it…….”

  86. one of those who see

    Very Very Cool Marty! Thank you. I am very much a Scientologist and i am interested in truth and freedom where ever I may find it.

  87. Ax, I think it may be their misunderstanding and misapplication of this point from the Auditor’s Code:

    20. I promise not to explain, justify or make excuses in session for any auditor mistakes whether real or imagined.

  88. Cindy Pinsonnault

    Oh my goodness! I’m glad I didn’t realize that was an overt against the cult and COB (cult’s obnoxious boogeyman) – I would have spent my life in ethics!!

  89. Howard, the Stephen Mitchell translation is a very fine one. See if you can pick that one up.

  90. Cindy Pinsonnault

    +1 Lovely, Joy.

  91. ‘nother big smile 😀

  92. No worries Ralph – we’re on the same page.
    My incredulity was addressed to ‘gandiguy’ not Martin.
    Martin made complete sense.

  93. Exactly Val,

    Notice the code doesn’t say you can’t acknowledge a mistake or even apologize for one.

    In fact in the original “Auditors Code” Tech Film (which is far superior to the later version in my opinion) we see the auditor apologizing for giving the PC a wrong command.

    I mean what is an ARCX or BPC assessment but acknowledging that you or another auditor screwed up in some way in most cases.

    In my opinion the effort to blame the PC really took off and as they say went “straight up and vertical” with the release of those god awful or grossly altered “tech drills” known also as GAT where on every dirty needle it is *assumed* that the PC has a withhold.

    Not that the Auditor’s TRs and code are out which is the usual case.

    But that the PC must be withholding something.

    And not a session withhold like “I think the HAL 9000 has more ARC”.

    But some sleazy withhold of some kind that the “auditor” according to the drill must force the PC to reveal.

    In fact that sort of think is something that has permeated the whole organization.

    If you’re upset by something then it must be *you* which is basically one of the characteristics of the Anti-Social personality.

    They can never admit to doing anything wrong.

  94. There is so much wisdom in love, where in love energy flows free….
    Loves is what allows you to be others without boundaries or fears. It is the only way to freedom
    Beautiful post Marty.
    An acknowledgment to many great men.

  95. Many people almost did Cindy, me included, get forced to spend their life in endless ethics cycles. The only way that can be done is through lies, only, there is no other way. It wasn’t an actual ethics cycle I was involved in, it was overts from the church staff that public were “legitimately” billed for on church stationary. My latest understanding is that the same reg that pulled this on me in New York now has his wife holding double hats of both Treasurer and C/S! 🙂 If she is married to a criminal like that most likely she is keeping track financially of the crimes her husband is C/S’ing out to the public through her so both of them have can a comfortable retirement at other peoples sad expense. I actually had one of the only four letters LRH ever wrote to me in my life stolen by the same reg. Stolen! A letter to me from L. Ron Hubbard himself! L. Ron Hubbard told me himself in writing that he didn’t understand that I didn’t get the first letter he sent me. Later I did, after LRH died.

  96. George M. White

    Thanks for sharing these from the Tao. I admire this work
    of the master.

    Here is something from the Buddha to you:

    “The brave aspire; the wise will not loose heart.”

    Much loving-kindness,

  97. Yvonne Schick

    Best I could come up with to give them SOMETHING so they would let me out of there.

  98. Fellow Traveller

    It’s a reference to anti social characteristics of the variously termed merchants of chaos, suppressive persons (per policy references) that comprise about 2.5% of the population.

    Bruce Pratt

  99. Fellow Traveller

    Steve — The definition is in the 2007 Ethics book glossary. Other places as I recall, but that’s a start. The definition:
    The nonrecognition and denial of the right of intervention
    between oneself and any being, idea, matter, energy, space,
    time o rform, and the assumption of full right of determination
    over it.


  100. Fellow Traveller


  101. Fellow Traveller

    Can I try it at your home? I might as well get coached by a professional, cuz I figure I’m an amateur at best, dilettante at worse.

  102. Michael Fairman

    Marty, yours was a beautiful post, profound and simple. There are many paths to the truth of how to live a virtuous life. Scientology is but one.

  103. Tom Gallagher


    Sometimes it makes sense to just go fish’n.

  104. Thank you James for the wikipedia reference. It was good to read and to see further evidence that we all want freedom and we all want it peaceably.

    I don’t know why, but it got me thinking of the protestant/catholic metaphor wherein (she says) we now have “Martin” “Luther” Rathbun and a whole protestant movement!

    Time was when Catholics would persecute the Protestants and, I imagine, the animosity ran both ways. Now Catholics and Protestants have pancake breakfasts together, inter-marry and make love, work with co-workers on the same assembly lines or in the same office cubicles and belch over beers and cheetos while rooting for the same (or opposing) ball teams. But it’s rare that any members of these sects get into any strong arguments over who is “right” and who is “wrong”.

    I guess it took just a few hundred years for it to evolve to that for the Christians… need it take so long for Scientologists of either persuasion? I think it could happen now. Actually I think it is happening now. (Perhaps Marty’s post here inaugurates it.) There are far more things to agree upon in Scientology that are good than there are for things to disagree on no matter if you are in the “Anti-DM” camp or the “pro-DM” camp.

    If the modern C of S can throw a “casino night” to raise funds for a building, perhaps the Independents should through a pancake breakfast to raise ARC for the future and for now. (Joking here, but I think some may get the point.)

  105. “Has COB missed a withold on you”. Wow, that explains a lot Yvonne. If I had ever been asked that question, my answer would have been, WTF? What the question tells me is that the church has set COB up as source. It’s totally off the rails. In the end, Hitler committed suicide. Maybe COB will too. LOL!

  106. Fellow Traveller

    Absofrigginlootly, Marty!

    LOGIC 7.

    This is the tool of infinity-valued logic: Absolutes are unobtainable. Terms such as good and bad, alive and dead, right and wrong are used only in conjunction with gradient scales. On the scale of right and wrong, everything above zero or center would be more and more right, approaching an infinite rightness, and everything below center would be more and more wrong, approaching infinite wrongness. All things assisting the survival of the survivor are considered to be right for the survivor. All things inhibiting survival from the viewpoint of the survivor can be considered wrong for the survivor. The more a thing assists survival, the more it can be considered right for the survivor; the more a thing or action inhibits survival, the more it is wrong from the viewpoint of the intended survivor.



    So as the Tao contains gradients of truth, so we may gradiently aspire to attain those truths. And as an absolute, truth has no name, no label, no affiliation, no allegiance. It’s a wonder.

    Bruce Pratt

  107. I clearly remember the sickening feeling in my stomach at an event one time. I looked around at all the people clapping in glee and was wondering “Are there any real people here? Is everyone a living wax sculpture? I want to meet real people.”
    My sentiments exactly Brian. I remember thinking it many times at events when the sheeple all stood up and clapped and clapped over and over on cue. Not to say some of the clapping wasn’t warranted, but overall it was like watching a bunch of circuits. Total group think and agreement. And we all know what LRH said about group think. Anyway, it is one reason I quit going to events (beside the fact that I couldn’t stand all the false PR) over 10 years ago. And about the same time, I walked away from the Church, thinking to myself…there is no way in hell I will put up with COB’s arbitraries.

  108. LOL Martin! Good one 🙂

  109. Thoughtful

    The exact reference: (All caps are in original issue)

    HCO PL 2 May, 85
    ( also issued as an HCOB, same date and title)




    Eric S

  110. It’s available for free at Google Books

  111. Just put it on my Kindle. Thanks

  112. Dang, the third last word should be DETERMINATION.

  113. That is a great comment Thoughtful 🙂

  114. “Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart.’

    -Anne Frank

    “Man is basicly good”

    -L Ron Hubbard

  115. “The arts are an even better barometer of what is happening in our world than the stock market or the debates in congress.”

    -Hendrik Willem Van Loon

  116. Thoughtful

    “So the point is not just to wander off with a smile on our faces, now “at peace.”


    ” ethics actually consist, as we can define them now in Dn, of rationality toward the highest level of survival for the individual, the future race, the group, mankind, and the other dynamics taken collectively. Ethics are reason. The highest ethic level would be long-term survival concepts with minimal destruction, along any of the dynamics. (SOS p. 128)”

    The way I understand that, it means that until everyone “has a smile on their face” one will not be done on his quest to “obtain to optimum survival across the Dynamics”, at least not for me.

    Eric S

  117. Theo Sismanides

    As a Greek Sinar, I attest that what you are saying is true! lol !!! By the way I am trying to learn Chinese these days ! Ni hao ma? lol means How are YOu? Ni is You hao means doing and MA is always added at the end of questions. lol !!! having a bit of a hard time as a Greek since it’s all Chinese to me!!! LOL !!!

  118. Scott Campbell

    Beautiful post Marty.

    I like the fact that you are unafraid to mention that the Tao is a book that you often turn to when you realize that your conduct is slipping.

    Thanks for reminding us that humility and help are two of the most highly prized attributes in this universe.


  119. Theo Sismanides

    Dear Marty,

    I will call you dear this time, lol, as like everybody here I admire what you have been doing all this time.

    And i agree that all this now is a big Motivator for you to commit a Big Overt against Corporate Scientology and make mistakes.

    So the Tao as a tool of humility and ability to withhold comes handy i guess to me also at this time.

    Admitting mistakes when in power is not weakness is true power. Being humble is not weakness but is power after all. There are rules to Power that are not known. I wish i can sit down and start studying LRH again all of the materials.

    Our main problem here is our inability to work as a Body now and Organized group of people with a lightness of organization. Stated this many times… people like to take up jobs on a certain org board.

    Humility is one thing and Losing is another. Humility is Power and Losing is Failure. No one likes to Lose.

    I guess we all do this to Win and we all want to see You and Us Winning.

    We have now a safe place we can talk here. A cyber forum. Extending it to Real Life is the Challenge. I wouldn’t be able to do this alone so let’s all get together and see to this.

    Let’s think of this my friends.

  120. Barney Rubble


    Interesting. I still get nightmares, that I have security telling me I have to go back to the RPF, they were so real I would actually get out of my bed in a cold sweat wondering is this fu— true? They used to happen weekly for years and years, since I have gotten on board so to speak they are more or less every few months, and less intense way less.

  121. Yvonne Schick

    I’ll top that. I also got “Has Mr. Cruise missed a withhold on you” because of a comment I had made.

  122. I’m new here, but I wanted to say “thank you”, Marty. This is terrific stuff.

    All the best,

  123. OMFG. That tells you all you need to know about the priorities of the CofM.

  124. Cured Robot

    “Having noticed certain shortcomings in my own conduct of late, I turned to the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu as I often do.” Marty, this is what we love about you, you take the gentle chiding of friends and turn to the great wisdom of authors of ages past and move us all on upwards. Truly a social characteristic (some we know are totally incapable of) and of which is a sign of great leader. Btw that use to be one of my favorite books that I trashed having been programmed to only read LRH, which as others have commented is in total dichotomy of what LRH said to do, I’m going to buy it and add it to my library of great philosophers who had great wisdom to impart.

  125. Tony Dephillips

    Great post Steve.
    It is really impossible to apply that definition of responsibility in the cult. The diminuitive one has total counter intention to that.

  126. Thanks, Bruce 🙂

  127. Was Dianetics ever translated into Chinese or Greek?

  128. David Lingenfelter

    I have recently had similar cogs and also no longer have the nightmares. You have clearly stated a profund point and more fully that I had. Thank you for helping.


  129. martyrathbun09

    The Stephen Mitchell translation is fabulous.

  130. Cured Robot

    An interesting business opportunity presented itself, that I decided to explore, and in the first business conference meetings the “leader” welcomed us and said start of meeting and started clapping his hands and others followed his lead, I asked what are we clapping for? Bold ass that I am, he stopped dead in his tracks and didn’t do it again in future meetings. It was his programmed robotic response to all the fund raisers and other B/S he attends that assumed this was the winning valence, but in the professional world people don’t start professional meetings like that ever, unless you are introducing some celebrity/professional speaker.

  131. Thanks for the reference. I just ordered the book.

  132. Yeah! That’s it! Thanks Bruce.

  133. Thanks Howard, and you know I realized this might give a handling one can do on these idiots out in front of Marty’s house — nail them on having no personal integrity. I’d harp on this, driving it in, because that’s got to impinge since per Axiom 19 — it’s exactly what they are violating:

    Example: “The problem is you have no personal integrity. You observe nothing for yourself, you simply operate on orders, robotically, since you never consider or observe anything for yourself. You only see what you are told to see in violation of The Way to Happiness — ‘See what you see, not what you are told you see.’ That makes you a robot, and also a PTS degraded being since lacking self determinism, you are only ‘other determined.” Have you ever wondered what a ‘degraded being’ actually is? Well, you are one since you have no personal integrity. Basically, you are in a lower condition across the dynamics. YOU don’t exist. So you don’t see. You don’t observe. Your TR-0 is out. You are not confronting me or who I am, or anything; what you think you see is delusional. In your present state, you are incapable of being there comfortably. Why do you have no faith in basic TRs? What happened to your core beliefs in Scientology? LRH said what is true in Scientology is what is true for YOU — but not if you never consult your own concept of truth.” etc, etc.

  134. Try walking it back and just lightly spot any points where you violated your personal integrity — in other words, you thought, “Wait a minute, this is not right” but then you not-ised your observation. That finally turned the nightmares completely off for me.

    By the way, for those who never went to Int, nearly everyone I know who was at Int has had some kinds of nightmares from that place — and not because “they are contemplating squirreling” but because the Int base was an abusive witch pit and was not Scientology.

  135. Carcha,

    The percent of population considered to be truly anti-social or “suppressive person” is 2 1/2 percent. Part of the Scientology technology system. Somebody here will give the exact “quote” on it.

  136. What side are you on? This is not a battle of beliefs like the “protestants and Catholics,” so that is a completely improper comparison. Your whole statement is utter crap. Here is a correct analogy: Al Capone is murdering people and you want us all to be “friends.” What you are saying is suppressive and completely out ethics. I also question why you say proclaim to be no longer a Scientologist, but you are pushing “ARC” (in reality you want people to violate their Code of Honor and alloy their affinity. You are pushing OSA enemy lines, Dan.

  137. I like +++

  138. Another wonderful gem, Jim. Thank you.

  139. Master of War

    Welcome aboard!


  140. Master of War

    An amazing “well done” Marty for having the balls to not just acknowledge shortcomings, but to do so publicly.

    Umm, does this mean COB is wrong, and you aren’t NCG? Can it be true? (Humor).


  141. “As they comprise only 20% of the population and as only 2 1/2% of this 20% are truly dangerous …” (“Introduction to Scientology Ethics”, L.Ron Hubbard.)

  142. I always wondered how the tech on assessment TRs would work in Chinese or any language that had a tonal system and a different way of asking questions.

  143. I dunno, FT. I think Marty is on to something with this “Ron” guy he keeps talking about.

    Call me crazy, but it sounds a little better than what I’ve got going. I’m still looking into it… I’ll keep ya posted. 😉

  144. Ralph, I consider that a very helpful Class VIII auditor tip! Thank you.

  145. David Lingenfelter

    It seems there is little personal integrity left at Flag. Yessir Step right up! Get your standard tech here!

  146. John Fennessey

    Brian, I like your take on it. Good stuff.

  147. Seriously dude, I dont know how you deal with the never ending ass clone offensive. Though I may not believe in everything you do, I have been impressed with how you have dealt with these poop peanuts. I doubt I’d be able to be as professional as you have been, especially if someone were to harrass my WIFE! The TAO is strong in you, young jedi!

  148. The attitude that “any wisdom outside of Scientology is deleterious” predates the reign of the Demonic Midget. In about 1980 a friend wanted some reading material for a trip to Flag and I loaned him The Tao of Physics. He was promptly routed to Ethics when seen reading it on break in the HGC, and an MAA who probably knew nothing about either the Tao or physics took the book away, telling my friend that it was an “alternate practice”.

  149. James,
    Is this you? Hopefully I added this link properly. If not maybe some can help me.


  150. martyrathbun09

    Not always as strong as you may think – sometimes I feel compelled to bark back to create a little space for a spell.

  151. The classic 1.1 response per LRH in (the book) Science of Survival is to nullify. OSA, acting on DM orders, attempts to stop the Independent movement any way they can. Their programs run the gamut from overt to covert and everything in between. One of the means they employ is to confuse the unwary by oversimplification, boiling down to what we are doing to a “strong argument” over who is “right” and who is “wrong.”

    LRH defined sanity as “the ability to recognize differences, similarities and identities.” He went on to enumerate the various aspects of illogic and gives the following list of outpoints (red flags):



    James Earl Ray, Charles Manson, Al Capone, Hitler — these men are brutal criminals with blood on their hands. All were free at one time, until forces for good eventually caught up with them. Dealing with them was never a “strong argument” over who was “right” and who was “wrong.”

    David Miscavige has blood on his hands and plenty of it. There is no need to enumerate his vast crimes. Why just this year another death occurred on the highway in front of the Gold base. Was it due in part to Miscavige’s orders to “mess with the road” to slow down traffic so it wouldn’t be so loud passing by his office? He wants that traffic stopped and has harped on that for years at the Int base. Now another innocent person is dead.

    Sorry Dan Locke, but I for one am not about to belch over beer and cheetos with David Miscavige or anyone who is actively attempting to keep him in power. I’m going to get in ethics, which is what I’m doing right now. That’s Scientology.

    Getting in ethics isn’t about “controlling other’s feelings or thoughts”; it’s about curtailing the dramatization of destructive behavior. I’m not doing it because I am “greeting the world around me with antagonism”; I am doing it because I desire to help people and protect them.

    The way to “make peace” — since you brought it up — is to crowd in ethics on the correct source. Knowingly or unknowingly you are the voice of OSA propaganda. And you apparently want us all to stand back and give carte blanche to the CoS and David Miscavige to continue to abuse others, commit crimes, extort money.

    I invite the readers of this blog to go back and read Dan Locke’s two posts above. There are more outpoints and wrong indications in his comm than you can shake a stick at.

  152. I can’t agree more, the quotes are stonch and remind me of the R Factor we all know; who makes me eggs in the morning? Who is important?
    Who do I call most offten?
    Who is doing their job?

    Where is my life going? And who do I share it with?

    THESE are the things that matter.

    I recall well a story in ‘Have You Lived Before This Life?’ An English man recalled his past life during Auditing as an 18th century Chinaman; having being beheaded for no good reason, his Case hung up on a muffin he offers to his women friend. Amazingly, it was at that realization his case resolved. Or “blew”.

    The greatest secret is integrity! Or some variance, tolerance.

    As a word, it seems to me just this: the ability to take ones responsibility IN Present Time.
    Sounds like a very good read Thoughtful.

    Personally, I paid a dear price for my own integrity. (I lost all of my Bridge over a $1400-1600 Freeloader Bill. I could of paid it…a hundred fold, but what of the others? Who was I to share it with?? “Join Scientology friends you’ll get ripped off just like me!”??
    One could argue thus was so foolish!? The whole Bridge over basically “nothing”? Yup…and I’ll be happy in my death, I stood my ground.

    The muffin she never ate was perhaps gods intention. Neither here nor there. The guy just disappeared…how many years later… it’s still on his case? Remarkable!

  153. Simon Bolivar

    + 1

  154. Simon Bolivar

    Absolutes are unobtainable. LOL

  155. Oh. My. God.

  156. Mike

    My take on it is that Scientology is not a “road” at all. It is a highly workable tool that potentially has many important applications in a beings quest for “full disclosure” of the universe in which he lives. I do not believe, for a minute, that it is “the only tool” one needs. I do not think that this is a “one path”, or a “one tool” universe.

    Theta’s conquest (full duplication, understanding and control) of the universe would seemingly necessitate getting in there and being willing to experiencing everything, inside and out. It would seem wise to have as many tools as possible at one’s disposal.

    Eric S

  157. Fellow Traveller

    Bienvenue ici, mon bon homme, Oliver!

    Merci, beaucoup.

    (That’s about all the French I can muster. Hope it’s right.)
    Bruce Pratt

  158. Not me actually, but thank you for giving me something to look into.

  159. You topped it Yvonne. That is unheard of. My answer would have been “Well, if he did, then I guess that makes me a sinner now don’t it?” 🙂
    That’s the best.

  160. Thank you Bruce, I am here since the beginning, under the Li Po mask. Indeed french speaking, from Belgium, ex ED Brussels org, 36 years in Scientology.

  161. Isn’t that a generality? (Honest question)

  162. The Master views the parts with compassion, because he understands the whole. His constant practice is humility. He doesn’t glitter like a jewel but lets himself be shaped by the Tao, as rugged and common as a stone.
    I especially love this quote. Without compassion there is individuation, all me versus them, me versus the psychs, me versus the education system, me versus her, me versus him…the list goes on and on.
    Love the post and the comments.

  163. Wait a minute did Hubbard ever acknowledge Stephen Paul Andrews

  164. All I am suggesting you to consider is the way you inter-relate with the parishioners of the Church. These are not people who are any more mean than Marty and Mike were, when they were card carrying members of the Church. I have met, years ago, John Allendar, Joann Wheaton and Robert Belcastro. They are not bad guys; they’re good guys. I am simply suggesting that in communicating with them that they be treated decently; with dignity and respect. I think Tory’s experience is a good example of this working. She was out to “do the dirty work” of her bosses and she folded when she was treated decently. You probably have a copy of the big blue manual on dissemination that was released in the 80’s or 90’s. In it there is a transcript of the tape, “Attitude and Conduct of A Scientologist, When and Where it is Successful”. If you don’t have it let me know and I will track down a copy for you. I suggest a re-read of it. I also think that all members of the independents and ex-Scientologists should treat members of the current church with courtesy and respect. I think that the chances of changing a person’s mind are always best when the Auditor’s Code is in place; that’s all! Look up in your tech dictionary the definitions of “invalidation” and “ridicule” and remember how you bridled under it as a staff member and ask yourself if you want to continue to be a part of that chain of pain. I don’t.

  165. I am imagining that “our” James Lawson, Jr. is a “different” James Lawson, Jr. than the individual in your article. The civil rights activist has never been one to downplay his involvements and if he had ever been a member of the C of S I believe he would have made it a matter of record before now. I could be wrong… just my thoughts on the subject.

  166. Here is a link to the “Attitude and Conduct of Scientology” transcript that I mentioned: http://silviakusada.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/attitude-amd-conduct-in-scientology-transcript.pdf

  167. Holy shit Yvonne! You were actually asked that question? I have no words for how insane that is.

  168. This is why we do effective clearing work. Thank you Marty.

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