From PDC 10: Specific Parts of Self-determinism, Spacation by L Ron Hubbard:
People recognize that, and although you will see a tremendous tendency on the part of the slave to assume his chains and wear them, and wear more chains if possible, you always have a greater number who in the end will turn on the master.
The masters of the slaves die. They have always died in this universe and they always will, and so may too a universe die.
But the point we are making is simply that force was never any weapon with which to combat reason. And every time force has been applied to reason in this universe force as come the cropper, not reason.
Sooner or later the reason would go around and through because there’s on…force, you see, can’t go through sixteen-foot bastions and barricades. You have this enormous citadel sitting on the high crown of an untouchable mount. And it is garrisoned and provisioned and watered to withstand the siege of centuries. And its garrison is well-trained and well-armed. Not a signle shaft or a bolt or a lightening flash could go through that citadel.
But by the water carrier or some other means an idea can go through the wall of any citadel. When you ask, “what is the strength of this citadel?” you always have to ask “what is the loyalty of this garrison?” That is the other factor, and force was never able to win against it. It could win temporarily, oh, yes, but never completely. Now in a reaction against force, people quite often will assume a no responsibility for the whole universe. That’s going downscale against force.
Want to point out to you that there’s an up scale from force. A high one, and that goes up toward the reasonable thing to do. And people very often, who are trying to go up scale toward the reasonable thing to do, will find themselves caught with specious reasoning and will find themselves dropping down toward the weak thing to do.
Reason which is afraid of force, and reason which exists to keep force from hurting one is not reason. That, too, is a form of slavery. But reason which exists to go up from the level of force must first be able to confront force. Only then can such reason take responsibility for those things which reason alone can produce.
And so you find a society, just before it goes out, taking its last effort to escape force by being reasonable, but that reasonability consists normally of an assumption of slavery of one form or another – not an assumption of freedom. They will lay upon themselves various restrictions and…out of fear.
Now that man who is able to take responsibility for force, yet who does not employ force, is much more terrible than man who can apply force alone. And the man who applies force alone is, of course, much more terrible to a lower scale on the chart than those who can only cluster together in terror and hope that the mass of their numbers will restrain the hand of force.
You want to remember then you’re looking at harmonics, when you’re looking at this on a tone scale. You’ll find groups which cohese solely because they are terrified of force which may be applied to them. And in that cohesion they simply seek protection of the individual by the group.
That group almost never advances. Now that group which can be free in each and every individual matter is yet the only group that can act and reason and with cause. For a group to be cause it must consist of individuals who themselves are cause.
Moving On Up a Little Higher 
Marty wonderful, never read this one. I think we are on the correct path here. Each one of us can reason. Now we should see as a group if we can do that. As a group.
But we are on the correct path. The more allegiance goes up here, the more we get organized as ARC goes up, the more we are going to be able to do things.
Very appropriate! As each of us steps forward, we key-out, little by little , this 3D engram. Even those on the inside are feeling “lighter”; only they attribute it to the wrong source.
Great Reference Marty!
I think a lot of us here can use reason.
We also have to be able to confront the force the C of M will use to try to stamp us out with. We have to be organized and willing to handle the entheta force they will and are using to discredit us and villify us.
I truly believe that if we band together and create our own legal behemoth to confront theirs, we can out-create their illogical force.
Marty you are a shining example of what LRH talks about in that reference! Thanks for being there and communicating.
ML,
Alex
Yes I remember this is what we were aiming for before the organization was infiltrated and sent hither.
That is a group of individuals, not just a group.
It also explains why what’s left of the “Church” coheres around Miscavige. Its self appointed “leader”.
The Non Clear non OT Cameraman
Fabulous Marty. I might have to dig around and find my old PDC tapes!!
WH
“Force always attracts men of low morality.”
– Albert Einstein
Marty,
I’ve listened to the PDC, and this reference to the power of an idea is one of my favorites. In a reply to Veritas’ comment on my opt-out notice, I was actually thinking of the PDCs – the power of the idea bringing down the citadel. I wrote about the synergy a group develops when the whole is operating greater than the sum of its individual parts, yet retaining each of the individuals. And it sure seems to me, what I’m seeing here is that as the cocoon peels away and we’re awakening, we’re evolving into a new kind of group – hopefully, one that will continue to learn and change. Let’s just leave that outmoded structure behind as a relic and let it rust away!
“If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.” – Albert Einstein
—
Happy Birthday, Albert Einstein! (March 14)
“For a group to be cause it must consist of individuals who themselves are cause.”
True.
When one takes causative actions, one brings themselves to a higher degree of cause in this universe.
The question is: What is the most causative actions one can take?
One is at cause to the number of causative actions one has taken up to that point.
“Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it.” -Albert Einstein
wh,
I’ve got a full set. Write me. I’m just finishing up my fourth run through and I’d love to share.
Veritas you totally took me by suprise. Happy Birthday Alber Einstein.
And about Force
The Roots of Violence:
Wealth without work,
Pleasure without conscience,
Knowledge without character,
Commerce without morality,
Science without humanity,
Worship without sacrifice,
Politics without principles.
Mohandas K. Gandhi
Thank you Jim that is very generous of you. Actually my ex (who lives nearby) has all his LRH tape series. I just have to dig through some boxes.
4 X through — wow!!
WH
>Yes I remember this is what we were aiming for before the
>organization was infiltrated and sent hither.
You keep repeating this “infiltration” business like it were a true fact.
No credible *evidence* of such infiltration has yet been presented. No credible *evidence* of anyone but DM pulling DM’s strings has ever been presented.
Without *evidence*, it’s just another unsupported conspiracy theory, like so many others.
If you think C.S.T. has any legal powers to put a stop to D.M.’s reign of terror, I suggest you carefully read it’s corporate By-Laws.
D.M. has 100% control over C.S.T. and D.M. alone. Larry Brennan, who actually authored the current corporate setup, has written about this numerous times and more than adequately demonstrated it.
Michael A. Hobson
This reference is appropriate because DM is sitting there sending the stats down and whenever someone tries to do something about this he makes sure you’re neutralized so nothing gets in the way of the downtrend, through his willing zombies. To the zombies stats don’t matter, squirreling to nearly any extreme means it’s LRH tech. Actually that’s not true because serious serious examples of squirreling like the basics are held up as better than the tech. It’s not even the same anymore it’s better. The line “the basics ARE the Bridge” were used on me by several people, it’s a sales patter.
Many people supporting him will fight to their last breath to ensure Scientology stays down. All they want to do is please their master, it’s an all consuming thirst. They’ve become the monsters but laugh it off and talk it off and natter it off amongst themselves but they can’t shake the truth – ever.
They hate it when people force this in their faces and ask questions – because it’s THEIR overts now, not just DM’s. They are the monsters. Oh yeah, cold, dark and in pain time! You really deserve that 25 year ring don’t you 😦
How many broken promises of better tomorrows is it going to take? More than 20 years of promises of better tomorrows, all the while a steadily worsening International scene.
One thing we’re doing is forcing Miscavige into a corner where he’s going to have to deliver on some promises or else. The magnifying glass is on the squirrel and Scientologists know what changes to look for. So you better start delivering on old broken promises Miscavige, or “DM’s outta here”. (He won’t. Fight back now)
Here’s something interesting and it should be taken to heart considering a squirrel gets standing O’s at event while insisting on literally declaring people who dare even mention certain HCO PL’s and HCOB’S and how they relate to the current scene.
“THE GOLDEN AGE OF SQUIRRELING
At the bi-weekly ASI meetings David Miscavige would ask Vicki Aznaran and Jesse Prince what they were going to do to put an end to Mayo. A copyright suit was suggested and so Miscavige brought in LRH Personal Secretary Pat Brice to get a briefing on copyright filings. He was disappointed to find that no one was responsible for copyright filings since the Guardian’s Office had been re-organized by him. (27)
Jesse Prince is at another ASI meeting. David Miscavige, Lyman Spurlock, Vicki Aznaran, Patricia Brice and Edith Buchele are present. The meeting was about the fact that the copyrights had not been registered and thousands of pages of LRH materials were now public domain. (Note: By law, once in the public domain, it stays there. You can’t get it back.) (4)
David Miscavige orders Pat Brice (LRH personal secretary and ASI employee) to begin the process of mass copyright registration for all LRH materials. Pat says it is too late and Miscavige says to do it anyway. (25)
Then Jesse saw Pat Brice come and say ‘we can’t do this, per the law, we can’t even do this. There’s a lot of this stuff we can not do anything with it because it went into the public domain. We have no rights on these things. DM jumped up and screamed at her. I don’t care what you have to do, just do it.
In mid 1983 a massive program to register LRH material began. This is the reason most copyright filings have a date of 1983 forward. They knew it was not copyright-able and DM told her to do it anyway. She then proceded to file 1000s of false copyright applications.
After that Pat Brice left the church. (25,28, 43)
Note:
Here’s a tip for you – they tried to get around this by putting LRH HCOBs into tech volumes and then getting a copyright to cover the whole book. But, if you look at the individual HCOBs in the tech volumes, the copyright is missing on each individual one. Know why that is? Because they don’t own the copyright on it anymore, it’s in the public domain! And it is there to stay, as a judge has already told them in a copyright case you will read about later on this time track. (4)
Jesse says common practice is to take an issue that has fallen into the public domain, change a few lines of it, then get a copyright on their revised edition.
Note: By law the only part that is copyrighted is their change. The part that was in the public domain remains in the public domain and is not copyrighted. And that is the only part we are interested in using anyway. We don’t want their re-written parts, they can have them. (43)
Furthermore, by copyright law, they do not own the ideas expressed in the issues. Once published, those are as free as the air and they belong to anybody who wants to use them. (69, 70)
Note:
When Dianetics The Modern Science of Mental Health was released, the idea was for people to read the book and co-audit, towards the goal of clearing the planet. Was there any concern about using copyright law to stop them? No. The purpose was to get lots of people co-auditing towards the goal of clearing the planet. Some people audited well and got good results, some didn’t. So what? Any auditing is better than no auditing.
Groups formed to teach people to audit better and people who got good results went to improve their auditing skills and people who did not get good results also went to improve their auditing skills. Either way, you got them all coming to you by offering a group they could go to, to learn how to audit better. -45-
One has to wonder – what is their big compulsion to own copyrights on the technology?
It really is not a problem towards the goal of clearing the planet, if that is your goal. So what if anyone could then open up shop and deliver the tech? That is all towards the goal of clearing the planet.
Altering LRH issues was the wrong solution to this. The correct solution was to get more on source thereby earning the reputation of being the place to go for the best results because you are totally 100% standard in applying pure on-source LRH technology.
You can’t say they want the copyrights to prevent squirreling. They don’t care about that. They alter the tech and squirrel all day long every day.
They have used copyrights to try and close down splinter groups. Splinter groups are not squirrel groups. This shows their true intentions and why they want copyrights.
They want copyrights on the technology so that they have a monopoly, giving people only one place to go. The benefits to them for people having only one place to go are:
a. Money – they can maximize profits. They can charge as much as they want & people have to pay it because they have nowhere else to go. b. Extortion. They can make people do what they say by threatening to deny them services if they don’t comply – because they have nowhere else to go. c. Abuses. They can make people put up with all manner of abuses – because they have nowhere else to go. d. Control. By having a monopoly on delivering the technology they have control over whether or not the planet gets cleared.
Most important, control over whether anyone makes it to OT.
And the last one, control over whether anyone makes it to OT, is the real reason why all this is happening – to prevent it. Want proof? Look at their statistics on making OTs.”
I’m not going to wait for a full blown drama queen SP and his limp wristed OSA rag dolls to have cogs, I’m starting a Mission and bypassing.
“Now that group which can be free in each and every individual matter is yet the only group that can act and reason and with cause. For a group to be cause it must consist of individuals who themselves are cause.”
We are that group.
MH,
I’m not into the conspiracy theories. I’ve read the corporate By-laws of CST, as published on the sc-i-r-s-olgy site, filed with the state of California. It is a point of fact in those By-laws that the Board of Directors and Trustees, as a quorom, hold the control of CST. DM is but one member, if he is, and though you are right, he will attempt to excercise sole authority and dictatorial control of CST and he may have ‘defacto’ control right now, he doesn’t have legal control. That is the entire Board of Directors and the Trustees, in whose hands the law vests authority.
I’m not gainsaying you so much as pointing out, there are definite cracks in the apparent armor DM thinks he’s put there. Definite cracks. Points of ingress, where an idea can be placed, and from within down comes this pipsqueak’s ‘bastion’.
An idea make take longer, but it works. Heck, here I am 18 years later, knocking down the walls!
Dear Boyd H,
What are the numbers in parentheses after some of your paragraphs?
Also, please tell me about the 25 year ring. Does DM have one of these? Is that a Sea Org thing?
Thank you for your data on the copyright situation — that is very valuable; I did not know that so much of LRH material was in the public domain. With all the emphasis over the years on copyrighting material, it is hard to believe that the ball got dropped that badly on keeping the copyrights up. I appreciate this information very much.
Boyd,
Absolutely right!! I’d missed this point in response to the copyright/fair use issue from the earlier thread.
The materials I use are from before 1983, the ones in the public domain. There you go, the work is free, let’s keep it so.
Well done Boyd!
Boyd H,
Awesome decision to bypass and deliver tech.
Much success to you.
Boyd H. thanks for the information. It is valuable and answers lots of questions I personally had regarding copyrights. It is about using the tech to help people and good on you for your handle.
Sincerely,
Carol
Lady Minn,
Not only is this law but it’s backed up by precedent to a point where frivilous lawsuit charges could and would be brought. OSA is very very well aware of how painfully clear Judges have ruled on these matters so post quotes whenever you want and don’t be afraid of shadows thrown at you. The 25 year ring is for being in the SO 25 years. The bottom of post was a repost from someone else.
Thanks Jim as far as I know all materials are in the public domain except for maybe the L’s or superpower or something. Post 83′ is already on the Internet even though LRH didn’t write or say much at that point.
Thanks Boyd
For your post which helps put my suspisions regarding the redo of so much material in better light.
Another piece of data that clarifies so much. At this rate the whole scene (3-d emgram) may just as-is.
Great quote Marty!!
The best group, is made of individual that are cause and work for the wellness of the group and of each other. They do not let a “commrade” to fail without trying everything they can to help him out. they are just there for each other… beautiful!
And because of that they grow really strong!
“L. R. H. in Clearing Procedure, 1957:
“The work was free. Keep it so.”
Therefore, although we have no such stature as the Great Philosophies, I charge you with this – look to source writings, not to interpretations. Look to the original work, not offshoots.
If I have fought for a quarter of a century, most of it alone, to keep this work from serving to uphold the enslavers of Man, to keep it free from some destructive “pitch” or slant, then you certainly can carry that motif a little further.
I’ll not always be here on guard. The stars twinkle in the Milky Way and the wind sighs for songs across the empty fields of a planet a Galaxy away.
You won’t always be here.
But before you go, whisper this to your sons and their sons – “The work was free. Keep it so.””
L. Ron Hubbard
“The freedom of an individual depends upon that individual’s freedom to alter his considerations of space, energy, time and life and his roles in it. If he cannot change his mind about these, he is then fixed and enslaved amidst barriers such as those of the physical universe, and barriers of his own creation. Man thus is seen to be enslaved by barriers of his own creation. He creates these barriers himself, or by agreeing with things which hold these barriers to be actual.”
L. Ron Hubbard
Voltaire:
“So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men.”
There’s all kinds of “credible evidence”, you just ignore it Boyd due to your bias against “conspiracy theory”.
Also are you writing here that HCOPLs 30 Oct. 62 ‘Infiltration, Security Risks’ 1 Sept. 69 ‘Counter-Espionage’ and various GO Directives are invalid because you seem to know best.
Actually, the “lone Miscavige theory” is just as implausible as any wild conspiracy theory. Since no one operates in a vacuum.
Also I suggest you go to Sc-irs-ology and even if you don’t believe in “conspiracy theories” you should examine the *evidence* of Government involvement with Scientology that they have carefully compiled.
Even if you don’t agree with their conclusions which I don’t happen to.
Then I suggest you read the following books which are available at the following locations:
http://www.freezone.org/timetrack/data/Hidden_Story/index.htm
http://www.freezone.org/timetrack/data/Playing_Dirty/index.htm
After that I suggest you filter the over 100,000 pages of declassified documents relating to the remote viewing program:
http://stargate.collection.free.fr/Elements/news.php3
Particularly those regarding the involvement of three well known Scientologists such as Hal (Harold) Puthoff Class IV OT VII “former” NSA,
Ingo Swann Class VI OT VII formerly contracted to CIA, INSCOM and DIA and the late Pat Price Class IV OT IV formerly contracted to CIA.
Another suggested study assignment is to carefully review the following “Secret Closing Agreement” between the IRS and the Church of Scientology:
http://www.sc-i-r-s-ology.pair.com/documents/1993-10-01closingagrmt.html
There is *evidence* in the many documents, I have cited and the above books. If you bother to read them and connect the dots for yourself.
However, it requires objectivity to perceive other possibilities than merely the assertion that a high school drop out with an IQ no bigger than his shoe size was able to on his own seize control of an organization consisting of OTs!
Go ahead and believe that fairy tale if you choose.
Personally, I prefer answers that are a bit more practical and that are less implausible.
Answers that would be derived from a full evaluation of the scene and a full Board of Investigation.
Until then.
Saying that yours is the only correct answer.
Is just simple arrogance.
Marty, please correct Boyd to Mike Hobson.
In above rant.
Thanks
RJ
Boyd H.,
????I’m confused about the copyrights !
One could just print dmsmh and sell it ?
If what you wrote are the facts, what are then the problems ? As far as I know LRH didn’t write much about the tech after 1982.
Is it really ours ?
If that’s really the case, then LRH knew what he did.
What’s about trademarks ? As Scientology is a trademark, how can a religion be trademarked ?
If I would create “The new Church of Scientology”, about what can I be attacked ?
???????????
Just trying to understand, do we fear shadows ?
Cat Daddy, that’s an execellent reference, but it is one that, IMO, is often misapplied.
“Free” in this case, means just what LRH says:
” . . . free from some destructive ‘pitch’ or slant . . .”
We’ve seen examples of destructive “pitch” or slant entering in. Just look at the alteration of the disconnection policy.
He also states earlier in this same reference:
” . . .I charge you with this – look to source writings, not to interpretations. Look to the original work, not offshoots.”
I take this to mean “free” from alterations. Examples of this include the changes made to references like C/S Series 73, the most recent of which leaves out key information regarding what can/cannot be run on someone in the middle of OT VII.
He doesn’t mean “free” as in “given away for nothing in exchange”. In fact, LRH wrote quite a lot about the need to keep in one’s exchange. This is a misduplication, IMO.
Hold the presses here. This is, without a doubt, one of the biggest pieces of info to come across this blog since its inception – if it is true. And if it is true, we can start our own Scientology or at least use the HCOBs and HCO PLs and start all over again.
Tell me this is so.
Virgil
As correctly pointed out, the evolution of Copyrights had the apparancy of “protecting the Tech” but the actual effect has been to hand Miscavige total control of Scientology.
It’s the same dramatization as these hawkish neo-con morons taking away liberties and freedoms to “keep the world safe” from a two-bit criminal like bin Laden. The guy’s a mosquito hiding in a cave somewhere – and probably dead – but the GPM requires that he be this BIG, EVIL DOER.
Miscavige’s implant just dubs in “king SPs” but it would run out in session in precisely the same way.
Once more, look, don’t listen. See what is there, don’t listen to what you are told is there.
Scientology is smaller than it’s ever been. A few make it to OT provided their credit cards are big enough but most stall or fall off the Bridge or, worse, become imprisoned in the Sea Org: a dead end game with no case gain allowed.
This is the reality, this is what is there.
So forget the ghost stories about “global SPs” and squirrels and all kinds of alter-is. If any of these explanations were true, the scene would as-is but it never does.
The only logical conclusion is that a lie is on the line.
So, what is the lie?
You can figure it out for yourself by tracking back, just as you would in auditing.
Examine the “policies” which act solely as Stops keeping people from the Tech.
Regges, the IAS, Idle Morgues bla bla bla, lead to “You don’t have enough money”, “You can’t proceed until you get Sec Checking”, “You have to disconnect from your sibling first”, “Your CCRD hasn’t showed that you are Clear”, “You have to donate to the IAS” … each of us could list the Stops on the line to going up the Bridge which are inherent to the structure of the Church of Scientology.
What’s the effect? Denial of Scientology to those who seek it.
I had this congition recently: What’s the fear of throwing open the doors of Scientology and welcoming one and all?
Answer: That they’d actually come.
Lo, It’s a lot to talk about and I don’t know about everything involved which you’re asking but don’t reprint Dianetics and don’t start up an org with a Scientology sign on it. For profit or not, that’s not an intent to have a discussion about it or educate about it and you’d lose.
When I said basically post anything, I should have clarified anything within the framework of fair use which this website falls within those laws. And post it in a setting such as this which is protected by fair use law. I can see why you’d have this question, looking at what I posted it’s misleading, but I was thinking about posting whatever you want wherever you want only in the fair use context at the time, not printing Dianetics etc. You have to prove that it’s for a discussion and the like, of the works and not other things is what it amounts to.
There’s easy to understand parameters set down in law that you can find on the internet. Just look up the law and it’ll be clear.
As for the long quote from another website which I put in the first post, that’s a different issue and I won’t comment on it, I don’t have enough info, but the court found what it found so… The question is what do you want to take on, so it’s a ‘choose your battles’ thing. Again just so people don’t do something really big, and wrong, because of what I wrote, there were two different points on copyrights which I went over, which I didn’t differentiate at the time, so don’t republish Dianetics, for profit or not.
Boyd H,
Your post is a blowdown. It points out freedom. Because as Virgil said: “And if it is true, we can start our own Scientology or at least use the HCOBs and HCO PLs and start all over again. Tell me this is so.”
And here’s another recent reason as to why we have to do this:
On Thurs at noon (just 4 days ago), a person walked into the CL V Santa Barbara Org and there was NO ONE to greet him. Not a single staff member at the entrance or anywhere on the ground floor. He walked the entire floor, and finding on one, stood at the bottom of the stairs that lead up to the second floor, and yelled Hello. The Flag trained supervisor heard him and stuck his head out. The visitor learned this: There are no staff on post until after noon on Thursday except him. He had one student on course.
Next was the Idle Org of Los Gatos — a vistit just before 6 pm on that same Thursday found very few public in the org. The MEST of the org looked grand. There were a number of staff on hand. He ran across a completion grid that had a list of public on it destined to complete services prior to and for LRH’s Birthday celebration (scheduled for the weekend of 19 or 20 Mar). The list consisted of basic book extension courses and Basic Book courses. There was one Solo I completion who was marked as “done”. NO academy level completions and NO releases. There was no one in the HGC.
Let’s put Scientology back on the map. Let’s help people.
Darla
Virgil
I agree this is huge. Although the task to make the uncopyrightable material broadly available may take some doing.
The first step I believe would be to accuire the support from a copyright Law firm with the ability and will to standup to the CoS, as they will not just standby without attempting to suppress.
But at the same time the Public Opinion would most probably be on the side of the independants and the risk of a PR backlash maybe risky for the church.
With enough support this could change the game.
And I’m up for that change.
Fantastic reference, Marty and thanks!
Reminds me another reference about how
ARC is our most valuable asset and weapon.
Use reason, not force. And cause we will be.
Also my sincere apologies to Boyd for getting him confused with MH.
(sigh)
I guess that’s a wrap.
Now back to writing fiction which is so much easier to deal with than reality 😉
Yes, the 25Year Ring is of the SO.
I know this from Jeff Hawkins enlightening Book.
I suggest you start with Chapter One. It’s a wonderful masterpiece.
http://counterfeitdreams.blogspot.com/
“As for the long quote from another website which I put in the first post,”
Very good stuff. Mind sharing the link to that website Boyd? Please.
I just saw this RJ, no worries.
Thanks Darla that’s a very helpful org report. I want to clarify, I don’t have certainty on how much material has been in the public domain and seeing lawyers is the answer about what to do about that. When I said “backed by precedent” in a later post, something wasn’t clicking in my mind, because I was thinking in my mind at least about fair use. Sorry if it bursts someone’s bubble. Then again, maybe it’ll all stand up in court.
Marta, hello. I went back and looked for the reply to me which you reference here . Glad I did, and glad you mentioned it or I would not have known it was there.
I responded there, and will also cut and paste my response here.
I enjoyed your descriptions and the fable.
There is a quote by Mozart that I like about genius. I think it’s the reason anyone ever does anything well … I mean, beyond well, but when it arrives in that strata of seamless becoming.
The quote is:
““Neither a lofty degree of intelligence nor imagination nor both together go to the making of genius. Love, love, love, that is the soul of genius.” – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Really, what else endures all it takes to arrive there.?
The only reason I speculated about LRH, and it is my personal speculation that he was driven by Love — and that the purpose of the Tech in the first place is YOU and me, and those around us, the ordinary extraordinaries — is because of the truth in that Mozart quote.
One can be driven to excellence by ambition, or greed, or whatever reason, sure …but the work, the product never quite arrives at the genius of virtuosity unless there is Love.
So I was making the assumption about LRH by what I personally perceive as some pretty virtuoso breakthroughs he made in the arena.
The fact that he was human, the fact that any person is human, doesn’t take away …it is irrelevant, and almost augments the beauty of our abilities and what we accomplish (make).
I also loved reading your contribution to the thoughts here and am with you! The chrysalis state may even be never ending.
Einstein said of himself that he had no particular talents beyond being passionately inquisitive. That, IMHO, is a form of Love…a love of everything around one: To want to see, to know, to understand …
So I speak of Love as a power, as an ability, a state of evolution, more than as a sentiment or emotion (because I don’t really consider Love is an emotion).
I value this exchange with you, and benefited from your thoughts, and y0ur talent of expression!
Thank you for your friendship and courage.
To evolution!! It’s probably never ending.
personally, I thank all Experience because, well, it lead me to the wisdom and perception where I can say … Hey!! I’m not going that way ever again. 😉 or if I do, I’m bringing my sh*t kickr boots) 😉
I laugh when I think about some of what I went through with the perfectpickle puzzle that has become the Corporate brand alteration, where the Orgs use theta to bait fishhooks.
With what I now know… Someone would run a Reverse Black Scientology on me now and my jaw would drop before exclaiming … Huh? Excuooose me? Say WHAT?” Then I’d laugh.
It was a formidable pickle.
It took a little to get here. And it was excruciatingly painful. But I figured it out. And we all and each did, in our own respective ways. and here we are. The group you’re describing — all the wiser.
Without the individual, the group loses so many talents!!!! besides, it gets boring being around robots.
The truth in that summary continues to astonish me. 🙂
a harmonic of it is express in Nobel prize winner for physics Albert Einstein’s perception:
“Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life’s coming attractions.” -AE
:-O Cool beans! let’s get this party started.
Sorry about the typos, meant to type: is expressed in
The LRH materials might be in the public domain, but if they are littered with words (e.g. “Scientology”) in which RTC/CST hold the trade mark rights, then this could potentially be a problem. You would need to find a law firm practising trade mark and copyright law to clarify this.
Here are some trade mark databases which are free to search:
United Kingdom:
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os.htm
European Union:
http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/en_SearchBasic
WIPO (International):
http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/en/madrid/
United States:
http://tess2.uspto.gov/
The licences dished out by IHELP, SMI etc. are NOT a licence to use the tech, but a licence to use the trade marks.
As the article posted by Boyd correctly pointed out, a text can be copyrighted; however, the ideas contained within it cannot.
Thus, you can use the tech all you please, you are doing nothing illegal by using LRH tech independently of the Church, and OSA knows it. The only way they can even remotely harrass you through the Courts is via an alleged trade mark infringement.
Perhaps you heavyweights in the independent movement might consider retaining a lawyer to get a good, solid opinion on these issues?
Polymath, You have succintely stated the truth of the matter. I don’t need a new lawyer to “get a good, solid opinion on these issues.” RTC’s own lawyers have given this precise advice to DM for years.
Fact: The US goverment use to keep close taps on any groups that they regarded to be politiclly left of the Spectrum under J Edgar Hoover. What RJ is pointing out is not Implausible. To suggest the US goverment was not keeping taps on Scientology back in the day would be more implausible because especially in the sixties a lot of “leftish”longheared hippies and “leftwing”activists who wanted to better the world joined Scientology. J Edgar Hoover was a racist, intolerant, sexist human rights violating tyrant who hated even Marten Luther King and he hated the Kennedys. He was for decades the self apointed “Underking” of America and wanted to mold America into his percieved ideal image what was a lot of dramatization og the ideal scene 40ties and 50ties wich in my opinion were never that ideal but the human mind plays tricks on our memery and we tend to forget the bad and remember the good wich is a natural survival mechanism of the human pshyce (greek word for soul alsoo meaning butterflie)or mind if you will.
RJ acknowledge you have a point regarding the political mindset and structure of american society back in the day.
However DM is not a plant in my opinion he is a selfmade dictator who saw the oportunity to seize power. Fact: He took note as a young boy that in 78 DM was almost dieing. Fact: His father out of 2D something he must have witnessed resulting in him ordering the divorce of his parents after daddy dear did his horific deed that needed to be covered up and subsequently putting his dad into the Sea Org wich is zombification.
It took peoplle 4 years more after 1978 to notice this boy was going astray spending gambling away money that was not his topgether with his “partner” in crimes Pat Broeker who he later got rid off. Alsoo the move that he made by obscuring LRH from the rest of Scientologists as well as from the world was a DELIBRATED move on the part of DM and PB. No french about that.
Like a shark smelling blood in the water DM made almost animale like computations for his rise to power . He reacted to each oppurtunity to take Space putting his anchors out more and more untill he filled the Space that LRH held.
With Regards CD
SOP, and not just Miscavige’s but a tactic used by many institutions with deep pockets, is to bankrupt opponents by dragging them through courts to deplete their funds. It really doesn’t matter who’s legally right, it’s an expensive system to wade through and people get scared/exasperated and back off.
Veritas,
Whew, I get you, kindred spirit, and thank you. Love what you write. I DIG it.
Lots of laughter these days – the silliness of the chains made of smoke and mirrors – the most important generals of all the big shot generals – puffed up and pushy. Cartoon characters.
I’m just getting in some good practice with Excuooose me? Say WHAT? and it IS fun.
Poor dull bots. No involvement, no evolving.
Okay CD,
Read and acknowledged.
However, the point is that the take over began long before Miscavige made the scene. Starting with the death of Q and culminating with the FBI’s raid on the GO which brought down the controller Mary Sue Hubbard and began the purge of Scientology’s most trusted executives.
Followed by the rise of the mental midget David Miscavige and his claque of incompetent misfits (present company excepted of course).
As far as I’m concerned Miscavige is just the aberated stable datum that stuck after the prior confusion.
RJ the GO was or at best became a Criminal Organization or at best a Immoral and Unetchical Organization with members that engaged in criminal activity or at best covert activity. If I was a goverment inland security agency like the FBI I would not do my job if I did NOT infiltrate something like that. Scientology had a policy regarding gaining influence in goverment institutions. I do not think any government likes that.
CD,
You seem to be contradicting yourself here.
Earlier you discussed Hoover’s and the FBI’s deleterious influence on Constitutional rights and liberties vis a vis COINTELPRO.
Now you write basically that they were just doing their job.
What do you think COINTELPRO consisted of?
Here read the Church Report:
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIa.htm
In the meantime, let me give you the Cliff Notes version:
It involved infiltrating informants and agent provocateurs into various groups and organizations that were considered “subversive” which included the Church of Scientology to either disrupt their activities or set them up so that they could be prosecuted for various crimes.
Though you have mentioned, what you mistakingly call “Operation Snow White” in your writing. You seem to fail mention the fact that the *program’s* purpose itself was to obtain false reports issued by various Government agencies such as the CIA, NSA, State Department, the IRS and others “by any legal means” which meant obtaining these reports through the FOIA.
Reports such as; that the Flag Ship Apollo was running drugs and guns or that they were part of a covert action sponsored by CIA which was the reason for the infamous “rock festival”.
In fact the GO went to civil court to obtain these documents and were rebuffed for “reasons of National Security”.
The GO then sought to sue the US Government agencies involved in a multibillion dollar lawsuit involving most of the IC when the AGI US who later turned but I suspect had been turned earlier devised the espionage program to steal the documents (actually they didn’t steal the documents. The idiots made photocopies of them using the IRS’s own Xerox machine, instead of applying standard tradecraft and using a Minox!) which gave the FBI cause to raid the US GO.
So the circumstances were not as simple and much more complicated than you and others who seem to take the Government’s side present them.
Suggested reading:
http://www.librarything.com/work/257105
http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/6904.php
These books cover the general scene. While the following books deal specifically with Scientology:
http://www.freezone.org/timetrack/data/Hidden_Story/index.htm
http://www.freezone.org/timetrack/data/Playing_Dirty/index.htm
I also suggest you look up the terms ‘agent provocateur’ and ‘informer’. Not on disinfopedia but in a real encyclopedia on the subject such as the following:
http://www.gale.cengage.com/servlet/ItemDetailServlet?region=9&imprint=000&titleCode=EEISE&type=4&id=191533
Once you’ve “read in” (have your friend Boris tell you what that means) maybe we can have this discussion again.
Thank you for correcting me on Snow white. And I can see the contradiction too in what I said. Yes it was wrong what was done by J. Edgar Hoover acting like a despot. Luckely even he couldn’t stop the change regarding civil rights. But taking in account the cold war mindset of Goverments it was what they did and it directed the function of their Intellegence Apparatus. They did their Job but I am not saying that I aggree with what they did or how they did it. It was an observation not a chearleader act.
Thank you for your links. I did see a list once with miscaviges name on it and other Intresting figurheads. I thought it was too far fetched and fabricated. Here is that list.
http://cryptome.org/cia-2619.htm
Untill I read up, talk to you later on this subject.
(PS, Agent provocateur is clear to me ,and informant also sarcasm lol)
Again thank youy for taking the time to reply.
Governments, run by a group of SP’s, and their attacks against Scientology needed to be fought against. If mistakes were made, the biggest mistake of all would be to sit back and let agencies wreck everything. CD if you never input into your equation the amount of good that Scientology does you’ll always get the wrong answers. The FBI has no right constitutionally to be messing with Scientology, and the FBI and all agencies from the beginning have been nothing but trouble for this country.
Sorry if I jumped on you CD.
Yes that list at cryptome has caused some raging controversy.
What its supposed to be is a list of “agents of influence” which in the strictest definition according to the Historical Dictionary
of International Intelligence by Nigel West:
Individuals who act on behalf of the interests
of a foreign power without openly declaring a political allegiance or affiliation, thereby increasing their power. Most commonly
used as a term to describe covert supporters of the Soviet Union during the Cold War, agents of influence were often in positions of trust and not instantly recognized, through overt party
membership as actively engaged in promoting the Communist cause. Until the United States joined World War II, Great Britain had succeeded in recruiting several significant agents of influence in the U.S. media, among them some well-known newspaper columnists
and radio commentators such as Walter Winchell and Walter Lippman, who peddled anti-Nazi propaganda supplied for the purpose
by British Security Coordination.
However cryptome’s definition is somewhat broader and also refers to them”sources” as in “sources and methods” as follows:
A source is not a paid agent but an individual who can occupy a position of influence, such as an international banker, a member of the print or television media, or a scholar or academic, who might be in a position to influence official decisions or supply necessary support for an official CIA position.
Well actually a “source” is according to Bob Burton’s ‘Top Secret, The Dictionary of Intelligence and Espionage’ is “A person, thing or activity from which information is originally obtained.”
Then again these could be specific “sources” that Robert Crowely himself contacted personally during his career as an Intelligence Officer ,who happen to be influential.
We won’t know if this list is genuine or not because the person acknowledged as the source, Robert Crowley died of lung cancer.
Any way the probability is that at least some of them are since Crowley worked at CIA for several decades and had a close liaison with Robert Gray head of ‘Hill & Knowlton’ as you can see here in this article from CAQ (Covert Action Quarterly)
http://mediafilter.autono.net/MFF/Hill&Knowlton.html
which happened to handle the PR account for the Church of Scientology at one time.
So I’d say that there is a probable connection there.
Whether Miscavige is an actual agent of influence working on behalf of some hostile agency. I’d say he was either wittingly or unwittingly.
I base this on the fact that he has achieved what the combined agencies of the US Government have failed to achieve in over thirty years of covert and overt attacks.
Hope this helps.
Best
RJ
CD and RJ! This has been a very educational volley – just wanted you to know I appreciate it.
Dear Boyd,
Thank you so much for your answers to my reply. However, I still have the question re:
What are the little numbers in parentheses after some of the paragraphs in your comment> I am in total mystery about these. I am truly trying to apply MU Tech here and not leave the post with M/U’s. Hope this is not too stupid of a question.
ML, Lady Minn
Boyd H. you have a point.
Marta It trully is a look at both sides isn’t it. I enjoy it alsoo and RJ is presenting his case with merit.
Happy to oblige.
With regards CD.
Boyd I never have been one for sitting back and taking it either. I think it has been a learning process for many. The third way seems in light of all what has happened a valuable path to take.
The complexity of Scientology lies in the personalityfounder as well as the contradictions. The good and the bad.
I believe Individual Scientologists have expierienced benefits and Individual Scientologists have done good things. As for the opposite I believe it is alsoo thrue. In de end it comes down to the Individuals responsibility.
Even though there is no authorship on this, I can tell you for certain it was written by Edith Buchelle, OSA INT. She was out in Russia for a long time.