Not much comes easy in the Independence game, but one thing we never seem to lack is inspiration. Thanks to all those who provide it in the present. And to those great Americans who have been providing it for more than two hundred years.
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Marty and friends, Happy Indipendence Day to all of you! You are following a great tradition in assuring freedom in the land of the free and beyond, that has inspired millions the world over.
We are with you in spirit and hope that this current “incident” will be put soonest onto the “done list”.
In the meantime we shall support you and yours, and thus ourselves, as best as we can!
Most anything that is good has to be fought for on this planet. I know That a certain portion of my track is in fighting causes, but do you know what is different this time? We have Scientology-The tone scale, PTS/SP Tech, auditor training and auditing!! I I’m not saying it’s still not hard, but we are putting something really good on this planet and this time we will keep it there.Happy Independence Day!
The village voice has it’s today post which offers some clarification to the numbers that DM or his “helpers” forward as the number of members in C of S.
Here’s my favorite patriotic song:
Happy birthday, America!
With the Swiss apparently celebrating independence as well.
From Saratoga, to Antietam to Iwo Jima and beyond, a big thank you to those who fought for our country and the preservation of our constituional protections. I will always endeavor to know, practice and protect those rights to the best of my ability. Those who gave all, deserve no less devotion.
President Lincoln spoke these words in memory of the 51,000 men who fell at Gettysburg while dedicating a portion of the battlefield for a cemetary. These words still ring true today.
” Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”
Watered down article advertising Janet’s book but worth noting 🙂
I still dream of urinating in DMs cheerios. Perhaps one day, I will get my opportunity.
Happy Independence Day, every year the indie movement grows, while at the same time the CO$ shrinks. The mass exodus is just getting started, and the stats for the indies are straight up and vertical 🙂 Thanks to all of you brave people who have had to deal with the thugs at OSA and slappy applebox.
Trust and hope y’all are having a fabulous 4th of July in the great state of Texas
+1 So apropo – thank you. I also want to thank and acknowledge all in the Independent field and the endeavor before us to allow all access to the fruits of the LRH legacy left for our use. Enjoy the festivities of another day of celebrating our Independence!!!
There are heroes
who walk amongst
us never looking for
glory or praise.
They don’t seek
for their thoughtful,
Living lives of deep
for the Country they
Steadfast with a
through times of
laughter and tears.
Soldiers are of this
the most selfless kind
and we’d like to give
thanks to you
for being the HERO
that you are.
The Independents are such soldiers and I thank them personally for being at Cause and being the Patriots of Standard Tech.
One of my favorite independence day songs
So, how’s it going, ‘down in the heart of Texas…’
To David Miscavige from Indipendents:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
To David Miscavige from Indipendents:
Hope y’all are having a great 4th!!!
Marty, I love this video. I saw Ray Charles perform “America The Beautiful” with the National Orchestra accompanying him on the west lawn of the Capitol for our Bicentennial Celebration, with fireworks going off behind the Washington Monument. For free. I haven’t been the same since!
Ingrid & Marty,
As you know, “only the Tigers’ survive”, LRH!
And, aren’t we forturnate to live in America, where others have fought to keep our Freedoms-I am greatful.
And, Ingrid, how lucky I feel to have gotten to know you-you inspire me in a number of ways… one of which is to once again disseminate LRH’s tech-and, I thank YOU!
And, regarding the ‘nipping dogs’ trying to prevent Marty from helping those of us who want to “Move on up a little higher”, I admire your tenacity to Keep Scientology Working & to restore the tech it to LRH’s Standard!
The ‘nipping dogs’ PTSness (mistakes, lies, stupidity) will be their own undoing-you can count on it; and our freedom will reign!
Happy Free-beings Day!
All my love, Midge
With each passing day more and more freedom it experienced as people leave corporate radical SCN. Glad to see the Indies growing and kicking some Texas ass.
This is a terrific analysis of the actual size of the cult. 484 square feet of idle org per KA drinker!!! what a hoot! A fitting tribute to the thriving indie movement on this day.
Hope you’re all having a great party. From Maria Alicia and Emily. xxx
Happy Independence Day to all of you!
Definitely my favorite patriotic song:
We know the value of Independence. My family and I are having a great day today! Hope you all are, too.
Happy Independence Day America!! Liberty, the sweetest word in the english language. And today Scientologists around the world celebrate their freedom too! Wish I could be there at the party, but I am there in spirit.
LRH was dedicated to freedom for the individual. From “Epicenters and Self Determinism” (page 175 in transcript) 11 Oct. 1951 from Thought, Emotion and Effort The Logics & Axioms.
“…Maybe nobody just plain had enough guts to come out and say, “The second I state that an individual should be given back into his own command and thereafter operate on the lines of his own experience, I am postulating that I will now have to live in a world of individuals who cannot be bludgeoned or beaten into instantaneous, blank obedience. And also, I am abdicating from any throne over the tops of individuals.”
Now, that’s what an individual says at the same time he says this other thing. And you, as individuals, when you look around you, you will see that your-the people in your immediate vicinity-you will see that this is actually what you’re doing. You’re saying, ” I don’t want this fellow as MEST. I don’t want this human being as property.” And you’re also saying, “I’ve got to have enough nerve and enough confidence in my own ability to live with individuals who are strong, powerful and self-determined.”
If you think it over, it’s quite a decision you have to make. Because it’s what you’re doing. You’re giving up all the push buttons the second you put a guy back to battery. You’re saying, “I’m not going to use these anymore.” Now, it’s important to recognize that, since here and there some individual may find in himself a feeling that maybe he shouldn’t be quite so anxious to have Mr. Doakes be an entirely self-determined, coordinated individual. Make Mr. Doakes a little bit tougher to get along with sometimes, maybe. And maybe it will. Let’s not try to be a -sing a paean* of pastoral glory and contentment and go along with Rousseau and so on, all the way. Maybe it will. Maybe we’re making a world full of wolves. So what? I certainly am sick of looking at a world full of rabbits” LRH
*paean – a song of joy, praise or truiumph; originally a hymn of thansgiving to a Greek god or goddess.
Mine, too. This along with Ray Charles’ “God Bless America” really sums it up it up for me.
Independence is defined as ‘The state or quality of being independent; freedom from dependence; exemption from reliance on, or control by, others; self-subsistence or maintenance; direction of one’s own affairs without interference. ‘ http://www.brainyquote.com/words/in/independence177752.html
Definately a day to celebrate here in the USA.
Hubby is at the party in Texas and says it is 106 degrees. I feel so happy to be here in Seattle where we are having a sunny 4th of July and a light breeze in the mid seventies. (We waited all spring for the skies to clear.)
But no matter where you are, the spirit of Independence is where it’s at for all of us. Have a great day knowing you are free from many things, and free to move toward your own goals and help others move toward theirs.
Here’s a good one…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ttDUGM-1mU Happy 4th of July everyone!
Auditing is way cool!
Happy Independents Day!
Love to you all.
Happy Fourth! My hat is off to Freedom Fighters every where, past and present, and to:
Marty, Mosey, Mike, Jim Logan, Les and Anita, Pierre (not choosing sides!), Ziba, Helen and Hemut, Ingrid, David S., Ken U., and all the rest who are dedicated to the delivery of Standard Tech (my apologies to those whose names I have omitted).
I believe we are independently carrying forward the torch of spiritual liberation because
-LRH’s intentions for the change in governance of Scientology after his departure (from monarchy to a disbursal of power across 20+ directors and trustees) have been subverted,
-the mechanisms of correction (HCO, Qual, the LC Network, etc.) have been dominated by one man, and
-the Red on White and the Admin Tech has been squirreled.
You – those dedicated to application of Standard Tech – are the whole reason for our Freedom Fight. Thank you.
Defender of Theta
And Brother Marty,
After what I just observed at the Indie celebration, and am currently observing at the Lake Livingston July 4th Fireworks display, I can simply say that this dream of great beings throughout history is very much alive and well.
Thank-you all and I pledge myself to help continue the upward trend.
Vic K. .
What a great Indy party!!
I cannot say enough about the value of seeing other Indy’s that have taken the step to come out into the open and speak freely their thoughts.
It is a true tragedy to hear so many horror stories from so many good people. People that were and are true leaders within Scientology. The horror stories always lead back to the same source, a madman. Mud cabbage is enroute to unmocking himself and getting his ethics put in for him since he is not capable of doing it himself. I don’t know how it will happen, but I know one day it will. I have always loved Scientolgists, but as the vulture culture progressed, I liked it less and less, being around the group with all the insanity. The group we have now makes sense. We agree on things. Not all things but that is ok. The party was a huge success.
It was great seeing y’all.
I have alow
The post above is from Tony DePhillips.
Last line is a typo.
Great stats Davey; looks like the numbers of participants (not auditors and OT’s) were still increasing in the 90’s. Since your redefinition of the F/N they started dwindling and haven’t stopped since; even non auditors sense your squirreling. From 2001-2008 you lost 30.000 active Scientologists; that’s 4300/yr. So by normal extrapolation (without Marty, Steve, Jeff, etc,) you’ll now have a meagre 12.000 left and even without us doing anything they won’t last you another 3 years. Are you celebrating independence day yet?
Happy independance day for all thetans (spirits) who seek to safeguard and spread freedom all over the world. The north african wind of freedom is liberating all the old phenician lines of communications of the world. Egypt, Tunisia, Lybya, Morocco, … all peoples are fighing for their freedom and liberty. I hope that this freedom will spread out to the materialistik people of the west.DM : do you understand that people are basically free. I think that they will never forgive you for what you are doing to the best tool they have to be free : scientology. Leave this planet ! You are not ours.
+++ Happy Independence Day! +++
God bless America.
God bless the Indies and the Indy Movement.
I hope (actually I´m sure) you all enjoy the party.
And we want a full account with lots of pictures, videos, reports and breaking news from the above. 🙂
I would like to add an extract from a well known LRH reference.
“So my own philosophy is that one should share what wisdom he has, one should help others to help themselves, and one should keep going despite heavy weather for there is always a calm ahead. One should also ignore catcalls from the selfish intellectual who cries: “Don’t expose the mystery. Keep it all for ourselves. The people cannot understand.”
But as I have never seen wisdom do any good kept to oneself, and as I like to see others happy, and as I find the vast majority of the people can and do understand, I will keep on writing and working and teaching so long as I exist.
For I know no man who has any monopoly upon the wisdom of this universe. It belongs to those who can use it to help themselves and others. “
LRH, My Philosophy
Just for the record:
1. L. Ron Hubbard’s legacy shall be resurrected
2. L. Ron Hubbard’s family shall be vindicated, including all belongings given back
3. David Miscavige & followings shall be brought to justice
4. CoS management structure shall be reinstall as intended and designed by LRH: http://www.savescientology.com
And I still have some questions:
By the way Dave boy:
Where is HEBERT Jentzsch – my President of the CoS?
Where is DIANA Hubbard – lovely daughter from LRH?
Where is SHELLY Miscavige – your dear wife?
A joyous Independents Day to one and all. The founding fathers declared their independence and then fought a revolution to gain their freedom. We have declared our independence from the cult of Miscavige, each in his or her own way. Most, if not all of us practice LRH’s Scientology. It is a Scientology that results in understanding, compassion and the betterment of conditions in ourselves and those in our sphere of influence. That continued, will bring more and more people to the truth, and see the Cult diminish to nothing. This is being done every day by those of us here. Every letter of resignation posted, every person courageously coming out of the shadows, every open communication — that is OUR revolution. and that is the freedom WE are gaining.
Happy 4th to all the Indies! The brilliance of the Factors, Axioms, Auditor’s Code and the other portions of the technology that allow the beauty of the human spirit to see its potential should always be free.
Shame on the church management for distorting such beauty.
Have fun in Texas!
Nice meeting you Vic!
Any Texans out there may be interested in the story of The First Iron Navy ship Guadeloupe (&Sister ship montezuma) who were ‘leased’ to the Mexicans by the British complete with British Captains & crews in 1843 to be used in combat against the Texans for war trials (funny how governments do that sort of thing!)
I love my country!!!
The last ones in are the most branwashed and will need our efforts. And the duped celebrities need constant reminding they are part of the problem and not the soulution.
Save the ones still in.
I am waiting at Houston Hobby airport to catch a flight up to North Carolina. I have a business meeting tomorrow.
I have never been so sad to see a holiday weekend end! The celebration was fantastic. My wife Michelle and I met many wonderful people and had many incredible conversations. We are glad we came!
I am not given to over-statement, but I think this get-together was a turning point for independent scientologists and will long be remembered that way. It truly felt like we have a movement going and that we were able to forge the new comm lines we will need to greatly expand delivery in the independent field.
I am optimistic now in a way that I was not, just a few days ago.
Notice that he says November 11 is the anniversary of the end of World War One. I guess I had forgotten why it was called “Armistice Day.” We now call it Veterans’ Day here in the US. It’s always interesting to drop back in time and see again why we thought the way we did, and how things developed from there.
Question: when did they start calling it World War One? Didn’t that happen after the next world war began? I thought they used to just call it “The Great War.” Does that mean this is just a movie clip?
Google says this was written by Irving Berlin for Kate Smith in 1938.
I’d like to personally thank Shannon and Hiro for putting on a fabulous fourth. Marty, Mosey, Mike, Christie and everyone else who made it so worthwile to travel half way across the continenent…thank you all.
What a bunch of theta folks attended.
One of the main things I noticed was how much the conversation has begun to shift away from itsa on our personal tragedies. There was so much more dialogue on what we plan to do about getting the tech out to society and what many are already doing.
Training centers are springing up all over the country. Arbitraries are being expunged and on-source checksheets are being created by very competent auditors and supervisors. PCs and pre-OTs are being audited by more and more active auditors…it’s very inspiring.
Thanks to all who are contributing to the forward motion. We really are making a difference.
Many Many 4th of july’s to you all.
Love Neil Diamond and the pictures!!
A real pleasure meeting Marie Jo and you also for both Vicki and I.
Obviously the Tejas Indie scene is booming and you guys in Washington state are a kickin’ bunch also.
I was unable to attend, but gotta tell you I felt the theta 250 miles away in San Marcos Texas. Viva the Indies, Viva LRH, Viva Marty….it is a brand new day.
What Is Greatness?
“The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his fellows despite all reasons he should not.”
“For the one who can achieve this, there is abundant hope.
“For those who cannot, there is only sorrow, hatred and despair. And these are not the things of which greatness, or sanity or happiness are made.
“A primary trap is to succumb to invitations to hate.
“Never use what is done to one as a basis for hatred. Never desire revenge.
“It requires real strength to love man*. And to love him despite all invitations to do otherwise, all provocations and all reasons why one should not.
“Happiness and strength endure only in the absence of hate. To hate alone is the road to disaster. To love is the road to strength. To love in spite of all is the secret of greatness. And may very well be the greatest secret in this universe.” — L. Ron Hubbard (*Man: mankind; the human race.)
I second the commendation. Great observation on the dialogue – quite evidently many people are finding their ways.
It was great meeting with you and Michelle.
Thanks Cat daddy. Same to you.
You are a big help to our cause and I appreciate you.
You are a wise man Les. It was nice meeting your lovely wife.
Thanks to both of you for helping people.
So joyous to read what a great time you all had! Independence day celebrated around the world, with joy and hope and promise,
Thank God, the Net and those with the courage to share their freedoms.
This is just the beginning..really. I’m happy you all had such a great time. So sorry I couldn’t make it, but more shall happen in the future. This group of people will never get smaller (like C of M) only bigger..and THAT is a great joy to me. Lots of love to all 🙂
Plus 1. You’re a cool guy Ron.
What our hosts, have done this past weekend, I predict, will be noted as an historical moment in our collective efforts.
I’m certainly better able to assist in the kind of organizational activities Les mentions thanks to what you folks created for us and the opportunities thus provided.
It was a joy to meet you Indies and put names to blog tags. The stories of course were profound, but what struck me is the difference between the In-Church Scientologist and the Independent Scientologist: the Indie is out in his and her community having comm cycles, an ethics presence, contributing to the forward motion of their “zone of influence” while the In-Church Scientologist is looking inward at the Church and how they can contribute $$$s to the Church. Now which group do you think will have the most impact on society? Easy answer IMHO…
Love to all, Vicki (Gaia) Krohn
Thank you for you warmth. We celebrate liberation the 5th of may.
althoug Queensday april 30th is the bigger celebration.
Your statement that checksheets are being put together by various groups for their in-house use made me wonder if there could be an “inter-indie” dialogue to compare these things and make sure a guy from one part of the country didn’t miss an item that was deemed necessary in another part of the country, or that another would see that the runway was being made too long for the level of skill aimed at, and drop anything unnescssary. What I am trying to say is “standardization” without saying, “Achtung! Follow ze fuhrer!” LOL
Yes – before WWII it was the Great War, or the World War (according to my Mom), and it was Armistice day. WWI was such a horrendous war – all of them are.
I listen to Public Radio shows on my long commutes, and a show I really like is “The Story”. There was a story about a Veteran named Jack Tueller who flew a P-47 during the war. His job (one of them) was to take out Nazi tanks. If you think only middle-eastern terrorists use human shields, think again. It was one of the most moving shows I ever heard, and solidified my anti-war mindset.
One of my favorite short stories of all time is called “The Whistler’s Room” about a military hospital in Germany written by Paul Alverdes. I am lucky enough to have an anthology by Alexander Woolcott which has this incredible story in it. Another author took and edited it a few years ago and republished it – I have not read the re-translated version. I keep meaning to put together an anthology of my own with my favorite short stories to give as gifts to friends – this story alone (being not only out of print, but now long forgotten) is a good reason to do so. The story is about a special convalescent room in a German military hospital where the occupants had been shot in their heads or faces, and could only breathe through metal tubes in their trachea. Reading this story made me understand how important Armistice Day really is. The impact of the Great War to that generation was unbelievable.
All veterans I know who saw action pretty much had the same message: “I went to war, I saw some things, I did what I had to do, and now I am home and it is over.” The “some things” is horror beyond belief in most cases.
Got another REALLY interesting hushmail link today on the latest “Mardy” site. It’s too funny.
Talk about “effictive cause, well demonstrated,” Marty! Keep up the good work!
PS: Looking forward to pics! Y’all get over to the Independent Scientologist site so we can see what went down and how fun it all was!
Back home and reveling in the joy of the weekend. So great to make new friendships and celebrate old ones. Fun to just enjoying being together with no real agenda. People had stories to tell, but none were stuck in the past. I was impressed with the new games and plans still aligned around intentions to help our fellow man. No one was on guard, just open and sharing themselves.
Even those who could not make it in person – we felt the love.
For those involved with creating the commemorative book – “thank you”. I will treasure it.
My special appreciation to Shannon and Hiro for making the ranch available. It was an ideal location. And giant appreciation to Christie, Mike, Mosey, Marty, and all the names I haven’t listed here who did a lot of work to make it all go so well. The meals were great; all the arrangements well thought out.
Love you all, Yvonne
Excellent reference. On point at so many levels, and refreshing.
I love your comment!
The most significant impression I walked away with this weekend was that every person I met is their own person in a big way! Each person was very individual and real! I enjoyed everyone I met. What a beautiful group of people! This will go down as one of the most memorable weekends of my life! ml, Laura
While I do consider wholeheartedly that we nearing a tipping point with the Independents, I want to let you all know that you soulfully contributed to a beautiful tipping point for me personally.
This was undoubtedly THE best event I have EVER attended and a great 4th of July celebration.
I was excited beyond words to be going – really looking forward to it! I was thrilled with every minute with every person and every comm cycle. I hooked up with some old friends and met a lot of new ones that are alive unlike the facades of our former lives in the Co$.
Overall, I made new postulates, new plans for my future, and I KNOW I have real help if I run into any snags from Indie friends. With that, I am rich with real comm lines.
I thank everyone who did all the hard work to put it together – I am very grateful. I heard of many future plans of greatness regarding using LRH tech to help people get along better and do better in life. It was all so theta and I am so proud to be a part of this group. I enjoyed it beyond measure.
much love, Kay
Good point, Lynne.
There’s good work for us to do in the coming months and years, while not dropping out what we are already doing.
At least, one of Ron’s greatnesses was to keep leaving behind completed cycles of tech, where he beautifully summarised what he had fully developed, before rushing off into the the next cycle.
It’s interesting that throughout his career he kept having to go back to restore ‘lost’ tech, and all the while finding out why it had dropped out.
Auditors are the the best beings on the planet, but we can audit at many levels, and maybe the most crucial levels are the lowest ones, requiring the most basic of skills.
I personally believe that it’s the most basic tech of life that produces the broadest results. From my own experience, the results of applying basic tech has been staggering, reaching further into the community than I had confront for. There are problems that come from this as well. And that has always been for me, the hardest part: when you do something so obviously useful, why should there be a problem?
Yup, you got it.
Anyway, I know a lot more about this particular phenomenon nowadays.
For one thing, being on your own is tough. And since the church (ptuuth) is such a waste of time, it’s so nice to have friends – yay!
So yes, there’s work to do, but at least I can do what I know, and that’s quite a bit. It may be basic, but it’s way, way more than we ever had before.
I’ve digressed from your checksheet point, Lynne, sorry.
+1 to everything you say here Yvonne. It was a pleasure to meet you and your husband!
I want to also thank Shannon and Christie for putting this together. Hiro and Shannon for hosting it and all the hard work and time they put in. Sinar, Eric Knutson and Tom Ondriecka for the cooking along with all the ladies who also were working hard providing great food and drinks.
It was truly a great weekend!
Haha!! Love it!!
Oh and Harsh Justice is genius! Lol. Gonna have to watch them all now 🙂
That’s already being done.
Multiple Source X-Checking.
100% Standard to the nth degree.
There is no such Thing as “deemed” anything.
100% true to Source.
My husband Brad, or as he is known on facebook “Stud Muffin”, and I had a fantastic time at the party. My hat is off to our lovely hosts who worked so hard to make this happen. It was so much fun to visit with friends and make SO MANY new ones!
The Stud Muffin and I enjoyed Texas, but more so the people we spent time with. We look forward to doing this again next year, though I vote for a location that isn’t so damn hot 😉 Love to you all!
Thought-provoking, Grasshopper. One of my former in-laws’ friends was a Jewish couple who had owned a department store in Germany in 1939. The husband was convinced that Hitler would not put him into a concentration camp because he was a German veteran of the first World War. Wrong, they took his department store and put him and his wife and son into the camps right away.
Luckily his wife had a brother living in Seattle. At the beginning of the camps, a person could be “bought out” by a relative with a work visa and passage out of the country. The relative did this for the three of them. They would certainly not have survived the camps for five more years…
This man had some great stories about the German side in WW One. (Not happy ones, just educational.) I wish I had gotten him to let me record all of them.
The more we learn about life on this planet, the more it appears that war is a wrong solution, caused by those who want to see strife instead of happiness.
The reference to the Guadeloup may seem odd to place on the Indies search for ‘true data’ blog (OTIX briefifing room) wuth the Texan connection or not.
The real interest is the way certain people have ‘changed history’ to lose such an important and large pair of ships!!
Texas ‘joined’ the Union shortly after and Britain was left with an embarrassing position (re supply of advanced secret ships to Mexico to be used against Texans)
The very existence of these development ships, in battle 20 years before such ships ‘existed’ is almost erased from history and is still not known by many historians to this day! (see wiki entry for First Ironclad ships and notice dates!!)
If not for the Indies Standard Tech could have gone the same way, , ‘written out of history’ to a changed reality!
An ironclad was a steam-propelled warship in the early part of the second half of the 19th century, protected by iron or steel armor plates. The ironclad was developed as a result of the vulnerability of wooden warships to explosive or incendiary shells. The first ironclad battleship, La Gloire, was launched by the French Navy in November 1859. The British Admiralty had been considering armored warships since 1856 and prepared a draft design for an armored corvette in 1857; however, in early 1859 the Royal Navy started building two iron-hulled armored frigates, and by 1861 had made the decision to move to an all-armored battle fleet. After the first clashes of ironclads (both with wooden ships and with one another) took place during the American Civil War, it became clear that the ironclad had replaced the unarmored ship of the line as the most powerful warship afloat. This type of ship would come to be very successful in the American Civil War