The insanity that Scientology Inc has become is playing out LIVE on the internet. Angela LeMay, an Opinion Leader that corporate Scientology should not be messing with, is being subjected to a modern-day, cyber-lynching by David “Bull” Miscavige, cyber-mobs and all. Check it out below. We’ll keep you posted.
Here is Angela’s communication alerting me to the situation:
Marty & Mike,
FYI, I received notice from a friend on FB that they received a
call from OSA informing them that I have been Declared SP along
with Marsha Friedman and Guillermo Colin and to unfriend us all.
I have not heard anything at all from the church directly, but,
rumor has it that I have been declared because of my connection to
my ex-husband Brett Haugen – declared in 2010. Another friend said
they heard it was because I had posted anonymously on a squirrel
website and forwarded entheta comm. My friends list has decreased
by 300 in the last 72 hours – their loss.
I have attached images of one of the FB post stating that I am
declared.
Also, I have saved images of numerous other similar FB messages
over the past 2 years urging me to disconnect from “SP’s” on FB.
Let me know if you would like those as well.
Your Friend,
Angela
For those who do not know why I consider Angela an Opinion Leader, her imminent declaration of independence will make that clear – or least my introductory comments will.
Moving On Up a Little Higher 
I’m excited to hear of another forthcoming Indie!! Go Angela! Go!!
Who doesn’t love a Witch Hunt? LOL! Evidently Lynn Ribisi loves ’em. I think all declared persons and squirrels should be burned at the stake, too. Oh, let me check, that might be illegal…LOL! Give me that ole time religion!
Now that is just stupid-assed bully middle school BS. He said she said they said bull shit. The immaturity of these people is incredible.
I don’t use Facebook, and never will.
These declares without due process in a Scientology due process hearing is pathetic.
Please excuse my language here (I’m being “sudden”!!!) – but this is F***ING DISGUSTING. The way that Ms. LeMay has been publicly dealt with on FB appals me. I read this (and the previous post) whilst shaking my head in disbelief – how DARE they instruct people who they can and cannot be friends with?! And then to claim, parrot-like that “there’s no such thing as Disconnection”. Insane. I know that there are far worse examples that longer-term followers of this issue will know about – or even experienced first-hand – but screenshots such as this may help to hammer home the point to younger generations.
“No such thing as Disconnection”, my (pretty English) a*se… Grrrrr….
I haven’t regularly attended (the local C of E) church since I was a teenager – but I am still FB friends with the vicar; I cannot think of any organisation other than a deeply malicious, oppressive one, that would instruct its members as to who they can or cannot “like” on a social networking forum.
That felt better… it does one good to have a rant now and again. Incidentally, the book that was mentioned recently – “Life is So Good” by George Dawson, who learned to read aged 98, was delivered today (they had to post it from the US, as I don’t think it was published over here. I’ve already read the first three chapters and it really IS an excellent book. Thanks for the recommendation!!
IEG xx
P.S. Good luck to Ms. LeMay x
Thanks IEG. I know things are pretty outrageous when they make even you go sudden.
What a bunch of absolute friggin’ squirrels! It is junior high school crap all over again. What an immature thing to do and absolutely follows HCOPLs to the letter (just kiddin). Angela you go girl; no worries you will find real friends out here. 🙂
How many instances of people being told to disconnect from SPs (who were up until recently very highly thought of) is it going to take for people to wake up from their trance states?
So much for being able to spot outpoints. Have these people learned nothing?
This disconnection drama with the FB Nazis is becoming hysterical.
Let’s say that you’re a loyal sheeple, just following the herd, and you keep getting FB messages to de-friend this one, and de-friend that one. After a while, you’re going to start wondering, “What on earth is going on here? Is every Scientologist becoming an SP??? Will I be the next one who gets declared?? Can I really trust anyone?”
I can only imagine that at some point, even the most robotic sheeples are going to be driven to LOOK for themselves. Way to go, Davie. Straight up and vertical disconnection stats .. LOL
Lyn Ribisi looks like Pippi Longstocking! And people are listening to this woman?
This whole thing is repulsive but here’s what I don’t get. Why is anyone still in to be disconnected from? Everyone needs to bail NOW.
Pat, David and I thought the exact thing……why is anyone still in to be disconnected from!
Just more proof that the current “chuch”, as run by David Miscavage, no longer follows LRH policy — in other words, they are SQUIRRELS. People are being declared without so much as an ethics hearing, much less a Comm Ev these days and Facebook is being used to disseminate the illegal declares. Discusting!
Outrageous. I thought you at least got the yellow letter? This is ‘disconnection abuse’ – it is nothing more than a control device to silence dissent and put fear into those who remain.
You’re right Ronnie. People will be asking themselves those exact questions. And more will leave. And less will go in. And the cult’s PR will continue to tank.
Look at what Miscavige has done here. He’s brought McCarthyism into the field of religion. Can you think of a better way to keep people away? Keep it up dwarf. You’re helping the Indie movement.
Definition from Random House Webster’s Dictionary:
ABSURD
1. utterly or obviously senseless, illogical or untrue; contrary to all reason or common sense; laughably foolish or false:
The statement from Co$ PR spokespeople that they do not practice or enforce disconnection is ABSURD.
The statement from Co$ PR spokespeople that david miscavige never physically beat anyone is ABSURD.
The statement by Co$ spokespeople that any and all independents are “defrocked apostates” is ABSURD.
The excuses miscavige and OSA give for their illegal and immoral fundraising are ABSURD.
The church of scientology pretending to be the moral authority on anything is ABSURD.
The entire organization and its current operations have become the quintessential demonstration of ABSURDITY.
Scientology is just a tool that people can use as they please (if they find it works for them) to improve their lives and achieve their goals. Facebook friends who call themselves “Scientologists” really aren’t if they cut comm because they are told to do so by someone else. Thankfully the “church” has given me the ability and permission to freely communicate with anyone on any subject. This used to be Grade 0. Now it is the SP declare. Congratulations on taking your next step to an amazing world.
Hehe, yes. 😉
I was also rendered livid on reading about the “Disconnects” visited upon that LOVELY-(both inside AND out)-looking couple, Mr. and Mrs. Friedman, in Mr. Rinder’s post of the other day – but I didn’t trust myself to say anything that wouldn’t get me banned from the whole of the internet for the remainder of the time during with this Earth orbits our sun… 😉
Plus, I have my own little blog to maintain, and I didn’t want anyone to think I might be a potty-mouth (post-alcohol behaviour notwithstanding…)!
KEEP GOING Mr. Rathbun – it is so very, very “worth it”, what you’re doing here.
IEG xxx
1. SPs are nuts
2. Davey is nuts
Is Davey an SP?
…here’s what I don’t get. Why is anyone still in to be disconnected from? Everyone needs to bail NOW.
Pretty soon, you’re going to have to prove you’ve been officially declared to have any sort of credibility as a Scientologist.
“Er, I don’t know about that one. He’s never been declared, you know.”
“I don’t use Facebook, and never will”. I hear you!!!!! I don’t use it either.
Ha!
We witness the swan song of POB’s cult.
Please pass the popcorn……….
LEST ANYONE BE DELUDED INTO THINKING “DISCONNECTION” OR “SHUNNING” IS COMPLETELY LEFT TO THE DETERMINISM OF MEMBERS
OF THE CofS; BELOW IS A TYPICAL EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE EXERCISING HIS “FREE WILL”:
Steeno Narthungi Levu
November 12, 2009 Colwell V. Garth
RE DISCONNECTION
I just get in comm with you and Peter Cook and then I find out you are both Declared SP!! What the hell is going on man!? I was so happy to see you both but I cant stay connected unless I dont want to go up the Bridge ! Man I dont know what to say other than I was so Happy and now I am so Sad!
So Long Colwell OMFG Steeno AKA Stan
DEAR STEENO,
FEAR NOT MY FRIEND. HAVEN’T YOU HEARD,TOMMY DAVIS ANNOUNCED ON VIDEO THAT THE CHURCH DOES NOT PRACTICE DISCONNECTION.
SO, GOOD NEWS MY MAORI, FIJIAN FRIEND, GUESS WE’LL JUST HAVE TO REMAIN FRIENDS “BFFs” FOR ALL ETERNITY, LOL.
CHEERS MATE,
COLWELL
November 12, 2009 Colwell V. Garth
DEAR STAN, FACT = WHEN YOU ROUTE OUT OF THE SEA ORG AS AN INT BASE STAFF MEMBER YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY DECLARED SP.
I am continually amazed to see this sort of thing. I knew Lynn Ribisi back a few years ago, and thought that she was quite smart. But this, is so dumb.
Reminds me a lot of the clique activities in school. I took great pride in hanging out with all the people my mom said I should not have. And I always felt rewarded in my friendships.
I have been told that I have recently been declared as well, but I have not yet seen the issue. I’ve got my facebook broken down into lists and have one list called Scientologists. When I heard of this declare, I messaged them all saying that I had nothing on it if they felt that they had to follow orders and disconnect. I think that I had 34 on that list; it is down to 21 now.
But, for me, this is not a point of aggravation. Somewhere I learned (I don’t really know if it was in Scientology or before or after!) that it really is not so important what others think of us so much as what we think of others.
I recommend that anyone who gets declared or who is bugged about disconnection do a re-read of “The Handbook of Human Connection”, Dianetics ’55. In an hour or two, you’ll have that breezy “I’m cause over all this!” feeling again! And remember:
“The SECONDARY VALUABLE FINAL PRODUCT of TRs is:
A person with the session and social presence of a professional auditor, and that presence can be summed up as a being who can handle anyone with communication alone and whose communication can stand up faultlessly to any session or social situation no matter how rough.”
Ron has even written about cannon balls being tossed about as a communication particle! Being disconnected from is not really that rough.
“I’m not going to talk with you because I’m mad at you!” is best played by children from the ages of about 3 – 7. They get pretty good at it, but I’ve never seen one of them last very long at it when confronted by a determined adult.
So, when someone disconnects from you, I suggest take a look at it and ask yourself how important it is to you, about that particular person. If it isn’t important, relax.
If it is important, get determined and act like an adult and, magically, you’ll find yourself at a higher point of cause than “the disconnector”.
“Man, in affinity with man, survives.”
YOU decide about disconnection. Don’t go in for other-determinism, unless it is on a subject you wish to be the effect of.
Miscavige is backed into a corner.
The last three years of spying on those who criticize his abuses has failed miserably. Countless black PR campaigns against them also had no effect. Long term nasty harassment of those who criticize his abuses hasn’t worked either except to increase the outrage against Radical Corporate Scientology. And he knows he is up against people who can’t be bought (his other weapon).
So what is the only thing left that he can do? “Cut their lines!” At least, that is how he will put it, said with a snarl no doubt. I call it accelerating the growth of the Independent Scientology movement.
“Really? I think I have the issue #. I will check and get back to you.” Lynn Ribisi
What the hell does that mean? She didn’t read the issue and only has an issue # but, has disconnected on someone’s say so and is urging others to do the same? Or, she knows the declared are not allowed to have a copy of their declares, oh secret secret so she has to ask if she can give out the issue number as if that frickin matters. Or both? This is getting more bizarre by the day.
Laura Ann # 12893 (my issue number)
THE GAME IS ON!!!
Go to FACEBOOK and write a post on every Scientologist you can find who is in good standing and write a post on their board “I received a call from OSA informing me that (incert another Scientologist in good standing has been declared suppressive) and to unfriend them.
This is Facebook jiu jitsu not unlike the 2ww stories of everyone in the town wearing a yellow star. In jiu jitsu you are using the force of the opponent to overcome the attacker.
People will be asking themselves those exact questions. And more will leave. And less will go in. And the cult’s PR will continue to tank.
Brilliant maneuver on management’s part, eh? Instead of actually USING Scientology to handle their ARC broken field, they opt to solve us by simply declaring us, “dead forever”, in hopes that we’ll go away and not rock their boat to nowhere.
Meanwhile, more and more parishioners are grabbing onto the last shreds of their personal integrity, and looking for themselves. Once they take that ‘red pill’, there’s no going back. Observing the facts, and then placing them within the grid of one’s personal observations, clinches the deal. It’s either leave, or damn yourself to hell.
But, I can’t say that I don’t understand management’s ‘solution’ to the problem. Most of them have given up their personal integrity already, and have become accessories to Davie’s many crimes. To do the right thing, they must also admit their own complicity, and endure the full brunt of whatever may come, as a result. In their degraded and PTS state, most no longer have the confront to do that, and so they attempt to stop the hemorrhaging of members by enforcing a draconian and suppressive disconnection policy, which is just an extension of the de facto, tacit command, “Don’t Look!”
I just thank my lucky stars that I’m watching this unfold from the safety outside the gates. I’ve got a lovely view from way up on a hill, where not even a dust mote will touch me when the walls come crashing down. There’s some pretty awesome company up here, as well 🙂
Good point, Ronnie. Yet another foot bullet for old Davie boy.
Laura Ann # 12893 (my issue number)
Damn, I’m jealous. You have a number, and I don’t. LOL
Facebook jiu jitsu…
Now, that’s thinking outside the box! I LIKE it!
This is a known “game” of RCS for some time now and the insanity is part of the side effect of drinking Kool Aid. There are old friends who do keep their friendships, outside of Facebook using email but need to keep up appearances for whatever reasons and not have me on their Friends list.
To be compliant to this type of Nazi mentality is their choice (also to be somewhat PTS), but friends are friends and that’s the bottom line.
Hi Angela,
Welcome to the world of SP! I knew you when you were in Cincinnati. The same thing happened to me, though I disconnected from them before they “labeled” me. An ally was able to wrangle a copy of my declare from the clutches of the “church” since the org refused to notify me, for which I am very thankful. Lots of Cinti exes out here, which very well may explain why their new org building in Florence, KY is pretty lifeless.
I consider my SP Declare a badge of honor. If I actually gave a shit, I’d have it framed.
Mike Roiger
BRILLIANT!
Ronnie,
That’s all I have but, you’re right, I’m priviledged. LOL
I use Facebook every day. It helps my family who are all over the country stay connected. It helps groups in town announce events, promote themselves, send alerts, etc. It is rapidly replacing email as a way to bring groups of people up to date all at once. During a crisis in my city, someone quickly set up a page to keep people informed of rapidly changing events. However, I don’t friend people I don’t know and keep my friend list small and manageable. Also, if you tend actually bump into people on the street and at community events, people tend to behave on electronic forums.
What the Church of Scientology is doing is using Facebook to bully people – a perfect example of cyber-bullying. Shameful.
If everyone who reads this blog went and sent friend requests to at least 10 “on lines” church members each, then OSA couldn’t possibly warn everyone to watch out for declared/disaffected people, as they would in turn be notifying everyone to become suspicious of each other and start wondering who all really is declared/disaffected and ask more questions. Their little grids and lists would be sizzling in their heads (OSA’s) on whose handle is whose, who has read what, who is in agreement with what and whom and they will finally realize what the clusterfuck they have created really is (assuming that individuals there haven’t already had the cognition and are planning their own escape).
Hey there Mike,
Good to hear from you.
Part of my research into Church’s abuses (since 2010) included following your cycle. And, although I agree that in the church of mishaps, a SP Declare is a Badge of Honor – I know you gave up and put up with allot to dedicate your life to becoming an auditor to help people go free. YOU ARE NOT A SP – just not possible. A true SP would have stayed in and continued the insanity.
Ang
“go sudden.”
I LOVE IT!!! Can’t wait for THAT one to hit the Oxford English Dictionary! 🙂
So out of about 40,000, 12893 have been declared. lol
LMAO! You’ve totally put the mass to it, Quentin! That scenario is funny as hell!
I concur Ryan. I only friend people I personally know. I have friends from grammar school and HS, college and my buddhist friends and other local people. I hear about all sorts of fantastic events I would never know.
When Vermont had the incredible emergencies last year with the rivers, FB was the way for people to know which routes to take, how to help etc.
Corporate scn IS guilty of cyber-bullying …
Corporate scn is a bully period. I’m sorry to see that an old friend of mine is married to someone who is so incredibly crazy as to attempt to tell people at HER age who they can associate with. Frankly, it’s embarrassing. He’s a much smarter man or so he was.
It’s pitiful.
WH
LOL! That’s funny. And likely true.
JM
Is that what “#12,893” means? That the Church has declared 12,893 people?
If so, that’s a very telling number.
JM
It’s kind of like a reverse IAS reg event. Rather than donating x number of dollars if x number of other people do it, it’s contacting and communicating to x number of people while x number also do it – exponential enlightenment!
You’re totally correct. There are documented facts of a large number of cyber-bullying cases that the church could be charged with. Kind of funny that’s what they accused Anonymous of doing…how ironic.
Sindy, you brought to mind the idea that OSA is simply advertising how wide-spread the “jumping ship” phenomena is, by the number of people who have to be excommunicated on Facebook. SOME people are going to start thinking, “My goodness, why are there so many people being declared, what do they know that I don’t know?” That is a very likely outcome, and I will be laughing while OSA terminals are still scratching their heads over it.
Ronnie, my reply above is ditto yours. LOL
Hi Angela! Big Hugs to You!
from the guy who was the reason you were declared…. yea right!
——-
Obviously telling COS members that Angela had the Integrity to think and decide for herself doesn’t sound as diabolical as saying she’s connected to a big mean SP.
LET THAT BE A WARNING TO ALL OF YOU!
MWAA HA HA HA HA (my evil laugh)
The funny part is that Angela did disconnect from me. I still have the letter. This was just another way of OSA doing what they do best – trying to hurt people.
OSA continues to perpetuate lies about me and others, all the while believing the are saving the planet from the big bad SP’s. Justifying their actions along the way by simply slapping an SP label SP on someone. And by doing so, making it OK in their own minds to unleash whatever horror they can dream up at the time.
But the truth is they’re hiding their own crimes against humanity.
That is really all this struggle is about. Getting OSA to admit what they’ve done and take some responsibility. But every time you shine a light in their direction, they scurry like the roaches and seek out a dark place to hide.
With everyone who disconnected from me, I only received two Letters of Disconnection. One from Angela and one from our (Angela’s and mine) daughter.
This was OSA’s way of pouring salt into the wound. OSA had me fired, started the whole smear campaign that was carried out by the Boshoff’s and other OSA “volunteers” – had PI’s following me, etc….
but all that wasn’t enough….
NOOOOOOO they wanted blood!
The problem is I disagree too much. (Ask my wife if you don’t believe me). I never agreed that the church had power over my comm lines. I never put them in-charge of who I can and cannot communicate with.
In fact, the ONLY people I am still disconnected from, are those who have given up their power over their own comm lines. Which currently is just three people.
OSA’s unsavory tactics of coercing my daughter to disconnect from me lasted about a month after I was declared – and that was only because I had taken an extended vacation in Colorado and was 2500 miles away when it happened.
They have no power UNLESS you give it to them. My tendency to disagree was the one thing that attracted me to Scientology – and the one thing that would save me from the church.
These pitiful excuses for souls known as OSA are getting very close to judgement day – the day they must atone for their crimes.
“You reap what you sow” and where these OSA souls are heading will make the HOLE seem like paradise. GUARANTEED!
Brett (aka big A$$ thorn in OSA’s backside)
P.S. I think I may write a book… Here’s some possible titles;
How The Church of Scientology Finally United My Family Together And Why We No Longer Belong To The Church
How My Family Survived The Church of Scientology Despite Threats from The Office of Special Affairs
or my favorite–
Why My Ex-Wife Still Communicates With Me And Now Exposes The Office of Special Affairs (evil grin)
FF–since it’s so easy to “declare” someone and get people to disconnect, why don’t we just start FBing people to disconnect from everyone we know who’s still in the church? Boy would that create a mess to sort out and what a laugh it would be! I am tempting myself beyond belief!
Recent activity from Lyn …
Lyn changed her Religious Views.
Friday
Ang — in all the flurry of commments about the nuttiness in the land of Miscavige, I forgot to welcome you to the blog.
You made quite a splash!!
It’s great to have you here. 🙂
Mike
Yep, it’s already becoming a badge of honor 🙂
Hi Angela! Big Hugs to You!
from the guy who was the reason you were declared…. yea right!
————–
Obviously telling COS members that Angela had the Integrity to think and decide for herself doesn’t sound as diabolical as saying she’s connected to a big mean SP.
LET THAT BE A WARNING TO ALL OF YOU!
MWAA HA HA HA HA (my evil laugh)
The funny part is that Angela did disconnect from me. I still have the letter. This was just another way of OSA doing what they do best – trying to hurt people.
OSA continues to perpetuate lies about me and others, justifying their actions along the way by labeling someone an SP. Making it OK in their minds to unleash whatever horror they can dream up at the time. All the while believing the are saving the planet from the big bad SP’s.
But the truth is they’re hiding their own crimes against humanity.
That is really all this struggle is about. Getting OSA to admit what they’ve done and take some responsibility. But every time you shine a light in their direction, they scurry like roaches and seek out a dark place to hide.
With everyone who disconnected from me, I only received two Letters of Disconnection. One from Angela and one from our (Angela’s and mine) daughter.
This was OSA’s way of pouring salt into the wound. OSA had me fired, started the whole smear campaign that was carried out by the Boshoff’s and other OSA “volunteers” – had PI’s following me, etc….
but all that wasn’t enough….
NOOOOOOO they wanted blood!
The problem is I disagree too much. (Ask my ex-wife if you don’t believe me). I never agreed that the church had power over my comm lines. I never put them in-charge of who I can and cannot communicate with.
In fact, the ONLY people I am still disconnected from, are those who have given up their power over their own comm lines. Which currently is just three people.
OSA’s unsavory tactics of coercing my daughter to disconnect from me lasted about a month after I was declared – and that was only because I had taken an extended vacation in Colorado and was 2500 miles away when it happened.
They have no power UNLESS you give it to them. My tendency to disagree was one thing that attracted me to Scientology, and the one thing that ending up saving me from the church.
These pitiful excuses of human beings known as OSA are getting very close to judgement day – the day they must atone for their crimes.
SOMETHING CAN MUST BE DONE ABOUT IT!
“You reap what you sow” and where OSA is heading will make the HOLE seem like paradise. GUARANTEED!
Brett (aka big A$$ thorn in OSA’s backside)
P.S. I think I may write a book… Here’s some possible titles;
How The Church of Scientology Finally United My Family Together And Why We No Longer Belong To The Church
How My Family Survived The Church of Scientology Despite Threats from The Office of Special Affairs
or my favorite–
Why My Ex-Wife Still Communicates With Me And Now Exposes The Crimes Of The Office of Special Affairs (evil grin)
Dude — Miscavige’s Minions SHOULD be scared of you. You scare the sh*t out of me, and I am fearless!
Seriously, you are one of the most insouciant, honest and high-integrity people I know. And its no coincidence that the number of people that can fit into those categories continues to grow OUTSIDE the church. Soon, only the truly braindead will remain.
Laura Ann # 12893 (my issue number)
Godwin’s Law aside, why when reading this did I immediately think of this… http://bit.ly/H8tqEX
Creepy.
Aye, aye, aye… LOL. You’re not kidding. A group effort like that would totally screw up Davie’s entire operation! Heck, it would also probably push a lot of fence-sitters across the line and into the light.
“Whaaat??? I’ve been declared??? Well, screw ’em then. I think I’ll just have a look at what those ‘bitter defrocked apostates’ at Marty Rathbun’s site are talking about!”
…the Church has declared 12,893 people?
I’m sure it’s whole lot more than that, but the church’s ethics, tech, and admin is woefully out. Even criminally so.
I have seen these posted all over WWP and other sites. What I find sick is that none or nearly none of these people even know they have been declared an SP till they hear about it like this, yet the cult can communicate it to the four corners of the earth. It’s like everyone and their uncle is told who to call to confirm this info on these Facebook postings and in emails.
DM has clearly ordered that these people be kept in the dark. I wonder what the strategy is behind it? Is he afraid of getting sued? Or if the person has the details on their Declare that they will be able to publicly answer the charges and defend themselves? Or maybe DM and CO just can’t keep up with all the people blowing. Like in a sinking ship they are desperately bailing water and have no time to plug the hole. I can see him being read a list of names each day and screaming “Disconnect!!!” after each one. There is not the resources, bodies or credibility to recover people anymore so in a desperate but failing attempt they are publicly (in Scientology) smearing these people in a hope that others will be afraid it could happen to them.
The best part is that not everyone is dumping their FB friend and there is a steady line of people pushing back. It is a failed tactic and one that is clearly hurting them.
If nothing else, such an effort would force the church to snap in policy on SP declares, Comm Evs, written notifications, posted public notices, etc.
They’d have to, to quell the resultant mass confusion in the public.
LOL!
Hey David Miscavige, This reminded me of something that should have been reported to you. One of your OSA staff named Kathy True flunked her TR-L big time when I met with her a while back. We spent 12 hours together and during all that time she continued to try to convince me that what she was telling me about the church was true. But in the end, it was me that convinced her that I believed what she was saying, all the while knowing she was lying. 🙂 She really should be called in for correction. She is a shameful example of what an OSA op should be. Just thought you’d want to know. And, BTW, thank you for having your Facebook Police continue to inform members of your church how many of their friends are leaving. This is greatly appreciated.
After reading some post on this blog I realized I was cutting my comm to my friends because a squirrel group was off policy and told me to. Pretty PTS. So I finally ‘friended’ my old friends and last Christmas resumed sending cards to my friends still in the church (as far as I know). I only got nice comm back. I have people in the squirrel group and people the squirrel group has declared on my FB page. I guess they only check ‘new’ declares.
Brett,
If you are serious about writing a book I have one that I think would be great; a compilation of all the disconnection stories. Not only would it make a 20 kleenex read but it would make a terrific basis for a TV series!
What’s WWP?
I have heard they don’t post the declares because they might enturbulate people. They are supposed to be truth and blow charge. So, if they know it’s going to enturbulate…oh well.
+1
Welcome Angela and very well done for the SP declare – yes, badge of honor 🙂
Angela says – “Part of my research into Church’s abuses (since 2010) included following your cycle.”
I say research, this link is from April 1, 2011-
This is for present time lurkers and under grounders OT7’s and OT8’s who wish to be OT9’s and OT10’s:
https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/miscaviges-new-shock-squads/
Well there you go — there is tons of evidence that the church is active in attempting to controll and directly influence who members are to disconnect from. And yet they continually flat-out deny any such allegations whenever comfronted with them.
Their denials are tantamount to full admission.
Their use of FB as a line to enforce “ethics” and “justice” is squirrel beyond belief.
Great news is sane, non-kool-aid drinking people can see this and therefore Independent Scientologists grow, and grow, and grow …..
Welcome Angela 🙂
I am witness to that exact thing happening. I was declared at some point in January after I forwarded the Debbie email to all my SCN friends on FB. I heard that through a non SCN friend of mine who is friend’s with an ex-SO. I had to call the local DSA to ask her to see a copy. She said that there is policy they are using by which it is up to the “church” to show it or not. Over the last 6 weeks I have lost 90% of my SCN friends and family on FB. The DSA is still to call me back, although I doubt she will. Count of my declaration of independence coming out soon.
On a good note I have added plenty of independent SCN friends and those are way cooler 🙂
It’s pretty obvious that Miscavige is in final melt-down.
My final word to this sicko is ‘Buh-bye you sawed-off sociopath’.
I look forward to NEVER again hearing your name or reference.
Angela,
I just want to tell you that coming out on this blog has been an amazing experience and it’s one that is still playing out. The wonderful support from all those who read this blog and commented was beyond compare. I don’t know any other place you can go, to receive the abundance of theta, duplication and caring that we received here.
I know OSA’s intention is for us “SP’s” to experience emotional pain with their declares and I worry that if they knew how freeing the feeling was instead, they may stop!
It’s like the parents who as a form of punishment, send their teenager to their room that has every form of entertainment in it. Of course, the teenager doesn’t want their parents to know how much they enjoy their room because the parents would change the “punishment!”.
There has also been the completely unexpected FB messages, phone calls and emails from many, like you, who I hadn’t heard from in quite some time… People who are under the radar and just wanted me to know that while they can’t come forward now,they appreciated that we did because they don’t agree with what’s happening inside the church.
In this short period of time we have made new friends who I believe we will know for a long, long time.
Welcome out Ange, we’re in great company!
Love,
Marsha
Thanks Mike, IT’s GREAT TO BE HERE!!
Angela
From a comment on the link I posted-
“When this campaign was first launched, it was estimated that with 10,000 on or through OT VII, it would produce enough theta and OT Power to significantly
TIP THE THETA/ENTHETA RATIO”
Question? Where is that written? Did LRH ever say that? Who says that? What is the source of that statement?
and this:
Mother of Grendel | April 1, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Reply
I’m not Jeff Feher – he’s the author of that email. But you’re right to question those numbers! That 5000+ includes everyone who got on to the level and then routed off due to inability to pay, out ethics…and those who actually did figure out what was really going on!
I’d love to see a promo with the numbers of OT VIIs who have turned in their materials and just gotten on with life!
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Here’s my low level of understanding.
“out ethics”
How can somebody at OT7 be so “out ethics” that they leave.
I just don’t understand.
But I do understand, after researching live comm here. The reason why is because the “Church” has been corrupted, and not the individuals, but the individuals are made to be corrupted, so they spin in. And it doesn’t matter what case level they are or training level.
Brett,
You’re right, most likely if it hadn’t been for Natalie and you. I could possibly still be blind. So thank you both.
We have all definitely come a long way! I look forward to collaborating on your book with you.
It definitely won’t be a boring read
XOXO
Angela
Angela-I love your comment to Lyn-Is FB now the place for justice? People like Lyn are going to be in painful embarassment when it all comes down and it will come down HARD. They are the ones who are going to be doing major amends.
And then we have this further on down the comments from poster “LDW”
LDW | April 2, 2011 at 1:08 am | Reply
And in 2004 you have five of the top tech terminals at ASHO, supposedly the top training org on the planet, standing around a video arguing about whether or not what they were looking at was or was not an F/N…doing this for over 15 minutes and never reaching a consensus.
And not one of them botherd to ask what the PCs indicators were.
TR-L doesn’t work.
I don’t think LRH invented TR-L.
Lying collects not-isness in the mind and evantually you become (really) stupid.
“How to handle Black PR” is the real stuff. And acceptable truth – but you need the truth to make it an “acceptable” (real) one.
OSA failed,
as did DM.
The CofS is dead, yet Scientology elevates to states never known to any 3rd dynamic before.
This blog is the real Rehabilitation Project Force for David Miscavige and his brown-nosing sycophants.
LOL. Funny.
I have a #. It’s 246 out of soon to be 500.
Test Test Test
Laura,
Me and Betsy’s Flag Conditions Order # is 12960 about a year after yours. It look like this has tripled in recent months. Declares are straight up and forward, eh?
The CoS cyber-bullies should watch YHRI’s “United” video. It’s all about bullying. Talk about a fucked up organization, huh?
Sinar,
Painfully over the years, I have learned this myself.
Well done, Angela. Well done!!!
Re: Ethics (and the squirreling there0f). I gotta say this next: I don’t know why anyone is even a little bit surprised at the level of 1.1 the Church of Miscavigology has sunk to regarding Ethics.
That “Church” has been making a travesty of real Ethics for decades now…albeit most have done it unknowingly.
For example: In one of my more beloved references (Tape #29 of the First Postulate Series…entitled “ARC”), Ron explains that without ARC, NONE of our other tech will work.
Ergo…without ARC…Ethics (which is one of our techs) WILL NOT WORK. Because for one, obviously Ethics is reason and an when one is being ethical, it is by one’s own determination and is done by oneself. (Tech Dictionary – Ethics)
And compliance through force is the antithesis of reason and understanding.
When was the last time you can recall the MAA or E.O. using REAL ARC with you or anyone else to get someone to be a more ethically acceptable person in a more secure state? I’m not saying it has never happened, because I have had some SUPER MAA’s over the years…but not many…I can recall 3 in my 38 years in Scientology.
Needless to say, “Ethics” didn’t work so well with the other MAA’s because, for one, I refused to be “other-determined” by the MAA.
But back to the squirreling of real Ethics. Let’s take the Danger Formula as an example. In 1965, when it was first published, it was punitive in nature. That is how it is still applied, for the most part…even though Ron thoroughly re-did Danger between April 9th and April 12th, 1972…incorporating the Data Series tech into the Danger formula. In HCO PL “Further Data on Correct Danger Condition Handling” (which was writtten on April 11, 1972)…Ron pointed out that by doing Danger the right way (ie…in accordance with this particular policy), the person will actually come out of Danger.
To wit: “Ethics in the past sometimes got into an outpoint-correct, outpoint-correct, outpoint-correct. But now you can find the Why on the guy. All of a sudden you don’t have a continuous heavy ethics. One wouldn’t keep shooting people for the wrong reason, shooting them for outpoints. You “shoot” them for the Why.” (NB: “shoot” is in quotation marks.) “Therefore, ethics really becomes an ethical subject not a justice subject. You’re trying to improve the guy’s ethics and you get the product of an Ethics Officer as a more ethically acceptable person. It isn’t a comm-eved person, a disciplined person, a punished person. It would have to be a person who was in trouble or upset and now he’s a more ethically acceptable person in a more secure state.”
And finally, “What we’ve done is crack the back of the subject called justice. The guy is in Danger. If he applies the formula (as carefully laid out in THIS policy letter and subsequent ones) and if it is all applied and is straightly applied, why, he’ll come out of it. SO THE PAST BASIC THEORIES OF JUSTICE ARE WRONG.” (Emphasis added)
Now…how many people knew that 1) The product of an Ethics Officer was a more ethically acceptable person in a more secure state, NOT a comm-eved person or a disciplined person or a punished person? and…2) That the CORRECT way to do Danger was to first find the Why on the guy and then do the DANGER formula ON THE WHY FOUND?
And…why did David “Lombar” Miscavige remove this data from the Danger Condition (amongst other data) in the new “basics” Ethics book – and then say that the new basic Ethics book was perfect?
Perfect if your intent is to enslave everyone or destroy the workability and good name of Scientology.
So rest assured, as the situation within the “church” further detiorates (due to alter-is of real Scientology), more of the Ethics and the other tech and policy will be squirreled because the motivation of a 1.1 is to destroy by covert means.
Right now…and for the last 15 years or so, the product of an Ethics Officer – in the Church of Miscavigology – is “a cowed person who complies out of fear of repercussions and is a more obedient person in a less secure state.” Sort of makes sense, given the tone and intent of the goal-maker, you know?
And this is but one example of squirreled Ethics tech. There are scores of examples. The Church of Miscavigology no longer practices anything even remotely resembling Scientology.
When they come, those who have had enough…be ready to assist…or at the least, point the way to someone who knows what real Scientology is. Because they will come…those that actually want their dynamics to survive.
So we better gear up and soon…because the floodgates will be opening and the demand for real Scientology will be akin to what happened back in 1950 with Dianetics.
My 2 cents.
Chiun
To Angela is the people want to be disconnect from you because OSA say or someone say so. Trust me this people are NOT your friend or maybe they just ROBOTs.
You need to continuo flourish and prosper not matter what. That is what I do every day.
They do the same the with me and you know what I make a new friends the real friends who respect your thinking and your decisions on life.
Do well Angela you are a great!!
http://cristianlandivar.wordpress.com/
Waiting anxiously to read Angela’s declaration.
The more OSA pressures people the more independents they make. We should be helping them, they are destroying themselves. LOL!
This facebook thing is juvenile. We should encourage it and make more friends in the process. Go OSA GO. We appreciate you support. Keep it up! You guys are like monkeys in the zoo throwing your poo at one another, that is when you not busy picking through it for that delectable morsel.
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WH, I know them both — and I know what you mean. I really expected Al to be bigger than this. Frankly, I thought Lyn would be too. It is indeed embarassing to watch her do this.
PS. FaceBook is a SOCIAL network – not antisocial network.
Perhaps reality TV where we could chase down OSA bots and ask them to give their side of the story. Could happen. This are certainly worse things on TV.
HA HA Thanks Mike. That’s actually funny to me because that’s what my friend Julie called me – insouciant – right before she disconnected. I told her, “what’s the big deal. I hung out with a few SP’s at a BBQ. I’ve done PTS/SP – if I can’t handle some big scary SP’s – who can.” That’s when she said I was being insouciant, to which I replied “What’s wrong with that?”
You know what – screw the book. Let’s do a recreation – reality TV style – like RR mentioned above. I’ll bet we could make more popular than Jersey Shore! :0)
Hey, lay off Pippi. When Stieg Larsson was writing his Millennium Trilogy, he modeled Lisbeth Salander on good old Pippi, a modern day Pippi. A more apt comparison for Lyn Ribisi might be, oh, I don’t know, Jenny DeVocht or Lisa Schroer. Someone wildly out of valence operating on a computation something like, “I have to be like DM to survive.”
I saw that too. Maybe my comm to her impinged a little bitty bit.
Marsha,
Thanks for the welcome. The teen analogy cracked me up – so true.
I too, am receiving theta calls, emails from people still friends on FB who support me and feel that what the church is doing is disgusting – they are just sticking their toes in the water. A few have apologized for having to unfriend me on FB temporarily – but say they are still my friends.
All I can say to those of you who are hanging out on the edge, is go ahead jump in the water is wonderful! The relief I felt was amazing.
Ang.
Ingrid,
So true…I suspect that Lyn has already experienced some embarrassment – not to mention some heat from OSA for posting it on ThetaLine for all their members to see her idiocy. Oopsie.
Good to meet you.
Angela
Tara,
Care to explain???
Oh I saw your post at the top of the blog…makes sense now.
That would be junior high school drop out crap.
I don’t know why you guys as so against people that wear frocks. Dear Misleader and Tom and TommyD look lovely in theirs.
I can somewhat understand it among the SO’s following orders. It’s survival, stable datum, etc – to agree with out-points and just do what you are told to stay out of trouble and keep getting your room and board and study hours. I can understand it especially if you have been in the SO for many years and have no or little reality on how to survive on your own outside of the Church. Members outside of the church who maintain more or less independent survival going in agreement with all this nonsense and even helping to perpetrate it – that’s totally wicked. It has transformed into like a synthetic valence, 1.1 culture. I mean how thoroughly out of valence do you have to go to do something like this? But I think this is a point where those with ill will are doing themselves in. The tide is already turning.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I even got into the teeth of an OSA rep saying how I added Debbie on purpose, and how I don’t think Marty, Mike, or any of the other people are SP’s. But I think I am not important enough for OSA to spend their time on me. They are busy going after and declaring OT8’s and people that have been in Scientology for years and have donated a bunch of money. That’s the real dangerous ones, the true SP’s of the worst kind… LOL!
Good job!
Thanks Chiun! Very nice and helpful reference.
WWP is Why We Protest, an Anonymous site.
RP, hurting them is exactly the idea. David Miscavige is not surviving, he’s succumbing and trying to take as many people with him as he can. He’s a loser.
oh, I don’t know, Jenny DeVocht or Lisa Schroer 🙂 🙂 🙂
You da man Brett.
Yeah, Dear Leader seems to have a real aversion to BBQs…
Now that’s clever! ~lol
You will definitely have lots of hilarious, side-splitting material. OSA will continue their Keystone Cops routine until the bitter end.
I’ve got the popcorn ready and beer chilled, let the show begin!
Ha ha ha!
I am enjoying watching the losers leave my Facebook…
Right on, Jeff. I’m number 276 on that list and proud of it.
I paid ASHO around $17,000 in summer of 2005 for OT Preps and immediately began the auditing cycle in their HGC. Right out of the gate, they invalidated my Clear state. I ARC broke so hard, that I don’t even remember how I got to my truck in the parking lot. The Board I/C caught up with me and talked me into going back in session, and thus began a six week nightmare of being spun inward, and squashed into a solid, enturbulated lump of entheta.
In time, I finally told them that I wasn’t coming back. I simply could not endure another minute of their “auditing”. It was quite literally destroying my mind. Over the next few years, my wife and I attempted to get some redress for ASHO’s disastrous failure to deliver with me, but no one at any level did a thing to help me.
In 2010, I wrote a report about the incident to RTC and was contacted by terminals at ASHO as a result. They finally were going to look into the botched cycle, and attempt to do some sort of handling on me. It took another year for me to finally feel safe enough to go into the Dallas HGC, but I did. Apparently, they’d ‘found’ 11 unused hours in my folder (uh-huh). The auditor was an old hand, and handled me about as well as I could expect in an ARC break session. At the end, I felt a little better, but that was entirely due to me confronting more of my own overts. No resolution was ever offered for the six weeks of my life that I lost while being compressed into mest at ASHO.
These guys have little or no reality on how to survive IN the Co$. It’s The Problem, you see … how much do we really know about how to survive, period?
Angela, just pointing out what it’s supposed to be and is to the majority of us who are on FaceBook. I use it and love it, share so many things with family and friends, events, etc. Social.
The people doing this are using it antisocially…
Reblogged this on My LRH.
Pass !!!
I saw it thanks a bunch. Angela
Word!
You are funny Danno!
I love your evil laugh!
Thanks Seeking,
Well, there you go, just more of the same off-PL and squirrel stuff.
Look forward to your declaration.
Shannon
For me it is going on ten or more years of disconnection from everyone in the church and I was informed of such. I still even have my golden note to talk to the IJC who never answered.
NB was told personally he was never ever to talk to me again. I got the other one out of the cult even if he choose not to talk to me but the cult got that one started as well by a huge out tech mishandling but at this time I really don’t care about it much any more.
I too have no golden rod but I have my golden note to talk to IJC. I should scan it when I locate it again.
AT least I got a golden note. Back then there as no facebook but the Independents were around then too. You guys are not the first. I stood with those who had to fight be indie and or FZ. I consider it no different in reality. I don’t fight the church as I know it is going to die all by itself. Though I do keep tabs on what is going on. I support another solution which some know what it is here.
Anyhow yes I been disconnected from as well. A FB friend called one them disconnected from me and he said he was told he is not allowed to talk to me. He also told a big fat lie but that just showed me his integrity in the long run the level it is.
The one she is still in the cult and where she was and doing the same thing. I sent my well wishes to her when I was in LA. I could have did more around CC but decided it was not worth it as I was betrayed and why should I support people who abuse others.
The one I got out of the cult is doing well on his own and is a reporter with a blog such as this. He is doing what I thought he would be and that is fine by me. I do what I need to do and I look forward to a better future now out of the cult. I can now think for myself and choose what part of the tech I know that works and toss what I know is opinion and does not work. I can think for myself.
Are people suppose to unfriend you on facebook even when your just on ethics? The staff at the org I was actually on staff at before I left for the Sea Org. dropped me on facebook after I got put on ethics at a Sea Org church I was later recruited at. I didn’t even do anything wrong to be on ethics. I finished 4 courses for ethics and now they are saying that they don’t know if I should be allowed back at the org. I really hate how full of crap ppl act like when they wanna act like wisemen.
A religion that was started to bring the human race unlimited freedom, it does the exact opposite. I’ve never witnessed so many people breaking the bondage of real emotional chains in one place at almost the same time. I can’t believe that there are still people in the “church” who can’t or won’t see what’s happening and continue to support a man who’s only interested in filling the coffers, which technically aren’t his in the first place. Although he chooses to live like a King, making others sleep on bug infested floors, and in squalor of church apartments filled with people, why can’t people see the discrepancy in the way they live and what they have? It seems like the harder you work the less you have if you are working for the church, but the contributors are forced into degraded lifestyles due to this constant fund raising, so that the majority of them can’t even afford to study the religion? What Rabisi proved by her facebooking an supposed SP, was to show that celebrities or their relatives feel far superior to the rest of the followers. She felt her directions to other Scientologists would be followed because of her name, and relation to her brother. Are you joking? Why don’t people see that if you aren’t rich, and you aren’t famous you are reduced to being a human ATM? Good luck to all those finally lifting the veil and seeing the truth. Take what you will from LRH, the positive, but the rest is nothing more than collective insanity.
Downloading the book Marty, I think this is going to be an amazing summer for the Independent movement!