Tiziano, Jamie and JB have provided graphic documentation of the lengths Miscavige has gone to in attempting to intimidate JB into silence. Doesn’t look like DM is being too successful. Quite the contrary.
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Phewww! This shit is insane!!! Who’s zooming who?? It really is past DM’s bed time. Time to take him down and put him out….of his and our misery. :}
It’s amateur night.
Very nice neighborhood, btw.
DUDES & DUDETTE!
Amazing. Thank you for this.
Once past my dumbfoundedness, I could only think, “Poor PIs. Brought knives, dull at that, to a gun fight.” Now I am thinking I may just have to ask for a refund of my IAS donations.
How do I donate to some more of this insanity??
That’s some precious footage!
Nice to put a face with the name JB!
You guys are awesome!
Wow you guys did good! unbelievable, the amount of money being spent on this is nuts. At some point those doing the following will be forced into turning on those doing the hiring especially when they view this. great job people.
JB, I hope at some point you are just left alone to live your life.
This amateur who is bullying you, who doesn’t have the sense NOT to antagonize you, can’t go on like this for long. He’s operating like he is still invisible. He’s NOT invisible – he’s in plain site and we all see what he’s doing.
Hey, dm – WE CAN SEE YOU.
Man, you guys get to have all the fun!
Trolling the PI’s.
Oh, and I think I Hear that whistle blowing, coming around the bend….
Holy cow, JB. I never realized this before but you are the spitting image of Joe Namath. Cool as the other side of the pillow. Way to go.
Box of donuts – $7.00
Extra batteries for recorders – $15.00
Plastic bottle to piss in – $1.50
Taking orders from a Psycho Dwarf – PRICELESS!
p.s. Great video – LAFFINGMYASSOFF!!!
JB and Mr. T, Hit a serious nerve. I’ve had 10 comments from OSA agents posing as Anonymous folk wailing like stuck pigs being readied for the spit.
Marty: I love a pig roast!! Nothin’ like it…;}
We are OSA, we are legion, we don’t forgive, we don’t forget. You are so pwned. You are so clueless, expect us.
Great Job JB my brotha! Brings back mamories! Thank you so much Tiziano and Jamie, as crazy as I am sure you both find this I am sure it also reaffirms the madness that truly DOES exist and is directed by DAVID MISCAVIGE@ My hat is off to you both and I very much appreciate you both reaching out and helping a very very good man JB. — Jackson
Theres a scene in one of my favorite movies, “The Zero Effect”, where the PI is saying the best way to follow somebody is to be in front of them. That way they never suspect.
Man. Atleast they are more friendly than Marty’s PI’s. They actually talk.
@ 9:15 really shows the ridiculousness of it.
The people hiring those P.I.’s are certifiably Loony Tunes. Loony Irresponsible. Nuts.
JB, you are a very smart guy and a classy being! You leave *things that work* (matter energy & spacetime) in your wake. You walk through an area an it improves.
And I think that applies not just to mechanical physics, but to life in general — including the PI’s in this video who, after meeting you, Tiziano and Jamie, have to be thinking geez the money is good and I can sure use it…but who is the NUT who sends us on these assignments?
It’s funny and pathetic on one hand — it’s preposterous and chilling on the other. This is the operations run by Chairman of the Board of The Church of Scientology. Wow. Imagine what the world must look like to the person seriously financing and running these PI ops. Very scary.
World, Law Enforcement, IRS : don’t say we didn’t warn you.
Yes, that was my thought too. This is evidence that your IAS donations are not used for what they should be. What they were promoted as being used on. They told me they needed money for promotional campaigns, to handle the psychs, to get kids off drugs, etc, etc.
NOT to hire PI thugs to harass and intimidate people.
The whole world now knows beyond any shadow of a doubt that RTC continuously uses lawyers and P.I.’s to harass and stalk ex-members in the hope of intimidating, and desperate to get some dirt on them.
IAS collection plate anyone? … lol
The news media really needs to do an expose on this nonsense.
Bad dwarf !!!!
I asked once before if this type of behaviour, obvious harrassment, is illegal. Surely it is! Have you guys no legal remedy to bring this failed intimidation to an end?
Although, it is amusing for us lurkers to watch, I’m sure it gets old real fast and is a pain in the ass for you folks.
There must be a legal remedy to bring it under control. Does anyone know?
So now if anyone ever had any doubts that there are PIs swarming around, here is great evidence.
I love how JB grants them so much beingness and shares with them why he left… you are one classy guy JB!
So this is what the CofS and OSA churn out as products – the stat is # of hours of surveillance. PATHETIC!
Oh yes, something else I would like to say about the PI’s you all are watching. The PI’s are hired hands. They are not the cheap ones you would find in a gumball machine at the end of a checkout stand but pretty close in quality. They are HIRED HANDS and Dave has no direct control over their screw ups. The screw up I am refering to is the guy who took to conversing with JB. That is stricktly a NO NO and all that is asked by OSA that they NOT DO. Well, fact is, this guy broke ranks and conversed with his “target” and that my friends SERIOUSLY pisses 9 Fingers David Miscavage off to no end. Dave will order him off this CASE and you will not see him again. (This DOES give that PI a means to file a complaint in his own house for labor law violations for having been taken away from this free flowing easy money). You see this guy broke rank because, like most if not all of these PI’s see this job and all work performed for CSI as FRIGGIN EASY MONEY. These PI’s are sucking the rich honey from the hive with out having to put thier hands on the hive. This all the while the worker bees (public scientologists, SO Staff anfd anyone BELOW 9 Fingers) wonder where all that hard earned blood sweat and tears honey goes?? The “hired heater’s – guys who legally can carry concealed weapons – the PI’s in the video’s, laugh about this fact amongst themselves. I know because I used to witness this fact with many of the PI’s hired through Talon. They themselves see how odd it is how a church would go the lenghts they do JUST TO FOLLOW JB and others around and NOT be expected to do anything else. They slurp up all that honey (Chruch Money) as long as it is being handed out! Usually a PI’s mission and what he is PAID TO DO is to catch someone in the act of a crime. Well us Int Base Staff and anyone else the church hires PI’s to follow NEVER COMMITS CRIMES OR DO ANYTHING illegal. These PI’s are SOLELY there to act as a live set of eyes for 9 Finger’s David Miscavige. The church hiring these PI’s to do what they do is just as similar to you or I hiring a high end Architect to design a storage shed to store the lawn mower in. It is THAT SIMPLE STUPID BAT SHIT CRAZY. And I at one time wondered why my mother – who is still on staff, found it sooooo hard to obtain proper medical care after 30 pluse years of service in the Sea Org . Well, the honey is still flowing from the Hive my friends!! — Jackson
I cross-posted this to ESMB:
Private Eye Dog and Pony Show; Moxon Connection
I also cross-posted this to WWP, the home of Anonymous on the web:
Private Eye Dog and Pony Show; Moxon Connection
I also did a screen capture of the Law Offices of Rick Moxon page from the video:
I did this to further communication between the different groups and spread the word. I also thought you might find use for the screen capture.
— Kha Khan
Well, I wasn’t going to sour the thank-you thread with what I have to ay right now but this thread is a perfect ;
Defining :HUMAN RIGHTS:
Wasn’t there something aout being able to suss some one judging by their friends?
Examiner Bio Flotilla human rights defenders ‘terrorists’: Rep Brad Sherman
June 11, 5:57 AMHuman Rights ExaminerDeborah Dupre’
Congressman Sherman (D-CA) publicly called to arrest and prosecute “any U.S. citizens who were aboard or involved with the Freedom Flotilla” under the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996.
Brad Sherman is a prime example of just how degenerate our political discourse has become on Capitol Hill.”
After delivering a speech at the Church of Scientology’s reopening in Washington, DC., Scientology public affairs director Sylvia Stanard said that although Sherman is not a member of the Church of Scientology, “but supports the human rights work the church is doing all over the world.”
I am not sure of the date on the story below. I’m trying to make thi pot to the point and I read these articles this morning. But google knows all if you’re looking for sources.
Just such a hand in glove relationship here. Ugly ugly.
> Congressman Sherman praised the Church’s efforts in raising awareness
> of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and
> stated that the battle for human rights includes bringing human rights
> awareness to all people.
And here I thought JB was an old dude!
Blow baby Blow !!!
The whistle too!!!
For Scientologists to remember what their donations buy instead of clearing the planet.
From the Preclear Originiation Sheet:
“What does this have to do with religion?”
Pretty much anyone can write for the examiner, that must be why the timelines seemed dropped on part of this story, but I like the way she pieced it together. OSA, Sherman and his death penalty for some damn serious human rights activists.
But even looking at the churches own pres releaseon the dc story there is o date on that eiher. It’s vagu and general.
Okay I am going to spare you guys this snaggletooth typing I do on this little laptop, haha.
These PIs are about as intelligent as a group of three legged dogs trying to cover up their own shit on a frozen lake. Truly amazing to watch the double-digit IQ interaction of overpaid, unknowing pawns in a silly game of blindfolded chess. They don’t even know why they’re tracking you guys!
On a rather comforting note, I went out to see a friend tonight for maybe 30 minutes. I saw a few friends I used to be on course with and one had a wife who was just about to get on her OT levels and then they both bailed. The rest of their friends came up and the confabulation lasted approximately 20 seconds and went something like this:
“Hey you guys out?”
“Yeah I’m out”
“Yeah I’m out, too”
“I’m totally out, so is my wife, all our friends are too”
“Yeah, we just let the Church do there thing but we told them to leave us alone”
What’s amazing….oh yeah OSA, you’ll love this one 🙂 This was 10 minutes away from Flag.
This is a war.
DM has a $1 billion slush.
Some of us have pleaded with Marty for Months and Months and Months to put a Paypal Donate button on the site.
Finally, there is a Donate icon at the top of the page beside the icon “Front Page”.
Many bloggers here have asked Marty what they can do to help. Well…..I invite you to pitch in.
JB is just out and could use some support as well………
Information from WWP about the PI “Joel” in the video: “Probably Joel Andrew Crawford, Calif. P.I. License #22940, out of San Bernardino County. Has done alot of PI work for DM in Riverside County. ”
Also did screen capture of the PI license plate:
Again, just trying to share information.
— Kha Khan
Hey OSA,we are independants,we forgive and we forget.You are so free. You are all-knowing,
Got to say episodes like this provide a lot of light relief.
The thought that the diminutive David Miscavige is paying for this only adds to the amusement factor.
Given that the cult’s reserves are measured in the $000’s millions I guess we can expect more of this kind of thing for some time yet. Hilarious, I sincerely hope JB & Co can maintain their sense of humor and keep the videos coming.
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It strikes me that this is a deliberately noisey investigation as opposed to an investigation that by design is supposed to remain covert. The purpose was probably never intel gathering but rather intimidation, which isn’t working.
On the other hand, the noisy stuff could also be cover for a covert intel op, which, if it were serious, would mean crossing over the line and doing a black bag job, planting video and audio bugs in rooms and phones. Intel obtained in this fashion could never be used directly in court, but it could be used to direct an investigation to obtain evidence that could be used.
It wouldn’t matter if the evidence was of something with nothing to do with DM/Cof$/int base in order to be useful, if it could vector some other trouble in the direction of the target.
In otherwords, if it was me, I wouldn’t stop with bullbaiting the PI’s, I would be searching for the covert op as well. It could be turned around … if a bug were discovered, a counter op involving disinformation could be launched to prove the illegal acts of the Cof$ hired PI’s by directing them to show up somewhere where some police detectives are waiting.
After the pregnant pause… This reminds me of the scene in Lord of The Rings, where they must pass through the area of the dead kings; Much is being brought back to life. Having been disassociated from the church for over 25 years, the “latest” turn of events starts to rekindle the embers… I love the way you blow on me… If this recent post by “OSA” is for real, come hither. If not, step forward into the light. If you think you are hiding in the shadows, think again, as this video has so well pointed out. Feeling rumbling in the bowels… might be gas… Might also be DM attempting to get his house in order.
Always, in all ways,
I’m just curious how it feels for Marty and Mike to be on the other side of what they did to others for 25 years. Were you just PTS to DM?While I hate Miscavige, we need to hear how you’re going to make a difference.
And by the way, I’m not Anonymous, I was in the SO for six years.
JB, My god I just love this kind of stuff. Wish
I could have been there. Reminds me of some
stuff we did years ago. Good to see your
beautiful mug. I could tell you were having fun!
Pathetic, “What Your Donations Buy!
JB, I am looking forward to your “blowing the whistle even harder than you thought”. Wonderful! Thanks.
Amazing job! Your guys are awesome!
note to Dwarf: Get the idea of the tax exempt status being yanked for this “church”. Got it? Now try not to think about it.
I find it interesting that they are posing as anonymous. Don’t they know that their squealing is not how anon works? Really, people. Do something new, the same old same old is boring.
Great job busting the PIs. I just don’t understand the concept of hiring PIs to follow someone and report back on them. Why? Why is DM so concerned about people and their personal lives? Because he can’t control them anymore and it drives him crazy, which is really a short trip in a short school bus.
I hope this madness ends soon.
OSA Kiss my ass!
Man, this is better than going to the movies! Thanks for the clip.
Love the theta of JB, Mr. T and Jamies. Can’t believe the solidness of the PIs (with the exception of that one guy who was willing to comm – think he can be turned?). Can’t fathom what it must be like day after day.
I’d love the chance to program DM’s folder. And Moxon’s. I have just the right piece of LRH tech for them.
You guys know this: you have legion behind you.
JB who’s house did you stop at?
I don’t know what is funnier; the ineptitude of these P.I.s or the collosal waste of money being flushed down the toilet( or maybe that is pissed into a jug?) trying to intimidate a guy who has already shown he ain’t gonna take it.
JB, T and Pam thanks for the tour.
Good catch on Moxon’s number.
The CofM could save a lotta money if they just opened up a Twitter account for JB.
Oops sorry Jamie. You look like a Pam I know.
yes, you should
This is high toned INSOUCIANCE.
Save this footage so you can intercut with JB’s high toned WHISTLE BLOWING video.
A mystery sandwich for the ages…let’s hear it JB.
WOW! This is insane. What a complete waste of church funds! These guys are doing a job they are hired to do; interesting comments when JB got in comm with a couple of them.
Thanks JB, Marty and Tizano/Jamie for documenting the insanity for us to see.
I doubt that these fantastically high-toned and insouciant frolics were the effects DM & OSA were hoping to create on you. Good stuff!! You’re all amazing; I love it. 🙂
Huh? Who are you and what’s your point?
Good job JB and company! Looking forward to you blowing that whistle, loudly my friend.
Dear Mr. Miscavige,
I got something for ya’.
If the Church of Scientology was a big booming organization like you say it is, couldn’t you just ignore your detractors and continue on your merry way?
Wouldn’t any criticism of you or the church be inconsequential?
There are innumerable grievances against the church by it’s parishioners that need redress.
The solution is to address the grievances, not send Private Eyes to monitor those parishioners who became so fed up that they actually had to leave the church they so loved.
The fact of the matter is, that in order to continue winning at scientology, these people actually had to change their environment.
They didn’t “commit overts and blow” as it is so easy to say. Sure overts and withholds are always a factor, but they are only a factor if left unhandled in an unsafe environment. In a safe environment, they are only a minor factor and can be handled with the greatest of ease.
The parishioners left (regardless of whether they were staff or public) because the subject itself (scientology) has become so serious within the church.
As you may know, seriousness equals mass — mental mass. And that accumulated mass can weigh you down and crush you just as surely as a ton of bricks can.
That those who spent the majority of their lives in the church stayed in as long as they did is a testament to their toughness. Yet you attempt to devalue them and “cut them down to size”.
You won’t allow others to help you. Instead, you continue to pursue a fruitless game of “Domination by Nullification”.
You don’t seem to be able to differentiate between someone suing the church saying that scientology doesn’t work and is a rip off, and those who are saying that the church is violating the senior policy of, “Always deliver what you promise”.
Abraham Lincoln once said, “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.”
It takes a lot of force and effort to crush the spirit of a true scientologist – far more than mere adversity.
You have been given power and we see what you have done with it. You have failed and are failing the test of your character.
What, do you expect us to just sit there and not say anything while the church goes down in flames? It IS a loss for us. It was a home to go to, a safe place where you could get real help.
To me, you treat the church like a big pyramid scheme — and the Law of Diminishing Returns* has never been better exemplified than it has in the Church of Scientology under your rule.
Why don’t you step down now and ask for some help? Surely this will be a better way than the alternative of major media scandal, criminal investigation, financial collapse and restitution, etc. Do you really want to go through all that?
I don’t. But then again, I’ve got nothing to lose.
*Law of Diminishing Returns
n. – economics
“The tendency for a continuing application of effort or skill toward a particular project or goal to decline in effectiveness after a certain level of result has been achieved.”
Wow, nice footage!
Hilarious stuff … especially where you offered the poor PI to come for a coffee. Lucky he wasn’t in the middle of filling his … uh … water bottle.
On the other hand, what a waste of money/donations.
An embarrassment for Miscavige, OSA, & the church
Last week, in Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania, I was doing my job as gas meter reader, going door to door, and I ran into a guy who used to play B Ball with Joe in their youth, there in Beaver Falls, when Joe was growing up here in western
Pennsylvania. Got the firsthand history of what it was like playing afterschool pickup sports with Joe, and also High School sports.
Thanks for the video footage! I loved the bullbaiting. What a crack-up. Good editing job too, Tiziano (I presume!) 🙂
That was a very entertaining example of being insouciant. I loved it when you got the one guy to crack a smile in his “TRO”.
Aside from the obvious stupidity of the whole operation, what was most relevent was the ARC that you established with some of the PIs. It is the complete dichotomy of the militant operation constantly demanding donations inside the official church.
Hmmm…the ex churchies are uptone, creating ARC and caring…even inviting the PIs in for coffee and a break.
While, at the same time, the true believers currently in the church are hearing their phone ring insessently about this week’s special briefing, Ideal Org, world emergency (okay, whatever button will grease the wallet out of your hands) event. So that more PIs can be paid (I’m sure they haven’t let up on Mike during this excursion.) to watch the whistleblowers.
Not hard to decide which group I want to support. Gotta run…I can hear DM bellowing for his scotch now, face red, veins nearly bursting . I think that Veritas even got video of him going nuclear again.
Not hard to choose which group I want to be part of. 🙂
Come into present time!!
Thanks Jason for being so “tone 40” on exposing dm’s bullshit!!
Not all anons are you fans Mr. Rathbun, but there’s no denying you are rattling DMs cage most excellently! Good work getting it on video!
Yes ‘esse’ will soon find himself off the honey. I figure with a guy like him, willing to be there and communicate, he’s too uptone for the job he’s been hired for anyway. He’ll be better off far away from this ‘filthy lucre’.
This is such a farce, this whole thing. DM should just stay home and play video games. In those he might actually ‘win’.
Tiz you are Mr. Insouciance defined. Can’t you take life a bit more seriously?! LOL.
Dog and pony show sums this up nicely. Just bizarre. Think I will send this video along with my IAS refund request.
So we are really paying for the weasel to spy on people because he is such a spineless insecure creature who trusts no one but is afraid he might miss something important.
He has been a mouse masquerading as a cat in a game of Cat and Mouse for such a long time that he missed the fact that he actually was the mouse.
The real cats have pulled off his costume and he scurries away to the darkness and he thinks he will send some dogs after the cats.
Half delusional, he peers nervously from the crack in the wall. The real cats have found him and he can no hide anymore. It is only a matter of time DM. You can’t hide forever.
That was perfect! LOL
Very theta, just how I thought it would start becoming. Welcome to any newcomers who may be reading. Enjoy the data and chime in when you are ready. Prepare to come up tone.
As gently as I can, how about hearing how YOU are going to make a difference. No, let me rephrase that, how are you making a difference, in PT.
It’s pretty obvious how Marty and Mike are. Not so much with you I dare say. Unless random, carping criticism not borne out in fact is ‘making a difference’.
Ooops, not as gentle as I’d hoped.
Now there’s an idea worth it’s weight. OSA are you getting this? This is a new century. Think outside the box. Oops, I forgot for a second, DM won’t let you. Your box is the only, high and holy, way. Oh well, too bad for you.
Fantastic job guys on your documentation!
JB you look great and I vote “YES” to blowing your whistle as loud and free and large as you can.
Brilliant take on that phone number as well. The evidence of church wastage and harrassment piles up.
Gotta read the blog and Scientology.cult for full info on this.
It has been covered thoroughly before. Those coming in at later times would do well to read earlier data. Your questions are understood, no inval intended but there is a lot of data on it already and reading gives you clarity on it.
Watching the watchers, what a hoot! Terrific! Thanks for sharing it. Hope you’ll keep the light and humor cause point, it’s just super!
Hey JB, Marc, T&J,
Nice footage. Looks like you were having fun. You know Dear Leader isn’t. The enjoyment of life, insouciance and laughter — this is what Scientology is supposed to create. And in the right hands — it does.
Now, think about Dear Leader — blood vessels bursting, screaming at anyone within his sight til his voice is hoarse (“Lou, look what those SPs have done to me now, destroyed my voice”) and complaining to one and all how he has to do “everything”. And that is all because Marty and JB were in LA and had the temerity to ask for JB’s passport back. Oh, what a sad existence Dear Leader leads.
And then he probably read the new post on Steve’s blog documentng the lies about his massive straight up and vertical expansion (from his own websites no less) and that was just the last straw. “Lou, get the 737 ready, I need to go to the Freewinds for some scuba diving to destimulate. Get the masseuse, chiro, cook, hairdresser, make-up artist, typist, runner, deputy cook, steward, driver, diving instructor, camera gear carrier and keeper of the royal footstool ready. After all the incredible things I have done for everyone, nobody appreciates me, and now the SPs are out making fun of my PIs. It’s just all too much. And nobody cares about me — those SPs at Int are trying to kill me. The SPs who left are trying to kill me. The martians are trying to kill me. Pull up the Beemer, we’re out of here.”
By the way, those PI’s love you guys. They have been told not to talk to you — and one of them is smart enough to realize it doesnt hurt and at least makes him look normal rather than sinister. They probably get together and cheer when you come into town. They know the Church has unlimited funds (thanks to the crush regging of people who take out second mortgages and go into debt) and will keep 5 or 6 them employed full time at $75 hour. And they dont have to do anything. It sure beats what they were getting paid when they were with LAPD and getting shot at! Look on the back of ther cars next time and see the bumper stickers “JB and Marty Fan Club”.
ha ha 😀 and DM is a pain in the zorch!
The best part of this for me was seeing JB’s face after all these years. Next was the matter-of-fact easiness that I remember. After that, the ethics presence.
Raise the gradient JB. A bigger whistle methinks.
This is a tougher case than most – its truly suppressive.
Great post, Ne!
I remeber during the LA riots the staff and public were given some LRH references regarding riots and how they occur. It had to do with gross injustice. I can’t remember the reference and hope someone, possibly Jim can come up with it.
What the church is experiencing is as close to a riot as a rational man can come. We do not throw bottles and burn buildings but our message is clear. We won’t take it any more.
Just like any revolt, there is great power and energy with unrelenting determinism to see that wrongs are righted. There is too much value in Scientology to sit idly on the sidelines as DM tries to destroy it.
You see, DM….some of us have decided to take it back. You never owned it. It is ours and it is free. But, you can keep the pretty buildings. We prefer our shack!
Mike you had me rolling on the floor in laughter; sad thing is that much of your sarcasm to some degree is very very true. However, I do not remember the royal foot stool it must have been purchased after I left which I am sure the Treasury Sec had a cow about it! Jan
PS Where do I get the bumper sticker?
So how do we flow power it JB?
ROFLMAO!! I loved the neighbor’s response!! ” . . . that’s so weird! Go home and go to sleep, sweetie. Nothing’s going on here.” LOL!
Psst! DM, what’s that behind you? Quick, look over there! Oh, and don’t forget to check under the bed at night . . .
We can give a working title to the rough cut here….I call it “Apoplexy Now”.
Jean Belliveau, with his hair down. Jean too, could dominate naturally with effortlessness. He dominated by mere presence, and ethics was a major part of it. Always willing to grant beingness and brought out the best in others.
LOL! I love this, Axiom 38!!
SO for six years?!!!
And you never committed a single overt in all that time? (like Marty and Mike), nor did you go the slightest bit PTS despite being in the thick of a group who were being run and controlled by DM?
Wow! I’m impressed!
Must be nice to be so squeaky clean that you can afford the luxury of making others wrong.
Ugh. Now you’ve gone and made me all sarcastical.
Marty – thou shoulds’t not lead me into temptation for I canst not control myself 😦
Ne, Diminishing returns imply’s a slower upward trend unless I have it wrong. DM hasn’t done that, he’s sent the stats down since 1990.
Yeah, it’s vacation time of the year for Dear Leader – thanks for the reminder. Too bad the Eden Rock restaurant at St Barth’s is now off limits it was one of the good ones.
One big question is – how many OT 8s will be at the Freewinds – will it look like a ghost ship?
I am so happy to hear you call yourselves WhistleBlowers, because that is the truth and that is what we all are doing in our own way. I am NOT and Apostate, nor am I a disgruntled ex member,
Nor am I someone attempting to get money from Scientology. That is Scientology’s words for those of us who speak out.
There are crimes ongoing and mental abuse ongoing, and we ARE whistle Blowers!!!!
This is the guy that Warren McShane was scared of?
JB seems to have very high ARC, and incomm!
At nine minutes thirty eight seconds;
He’s got a little, eerrmmm… “camera”.
War & Peace,
A billion here, a billion there…
Pretty soon you’re talkin’ REAL MONEY!
mjrinder, I’m sure they love you down there too. Did you see the wry smile Rafferty flashed you at the FH. It spoke “thanks for single-handedly handling the PI recession in the entire Tampa Bay region.”
Sam, you mean you can takes so much and you can’t takes no more?
By the way, for those of you who regret having made huge IAS donations because you believe you were misled and the money did not go where you were told it would go, if you were married and lived in California and your spouse did not consent in writing to the donation, and if the donation was from community funds–as it usually would have been–I believe your spouse has the automatic right to demand and receive the donation back from the recipient organization (the IAS). It is illegal in California to donate community property without the written consent of the spouse. This would be true for each individual donation made, whether large or small.
I’m very glad JB got to have a comm cycle at the very end, explaining to the PI that the guys who hired him are evil.
All of you guys ought to create a flyer for the PI’s, briefly explaining the situation going on with DM, that a non-Scientologist can easily duplicate, complete with some links for them to go to for further “investigation” on the net.
At least it’s some reading material for them, in their extreme monotony.
And some of them might actually drive away and resign from that particular job if they have any integrity.
Thought Provoking, you said it. The big lie is 1.5. He is in fact 1.1.
Or, hand them a copy of Amy’s book, Marc’s book, Jeff’s book……
I’m just curious how it feels for you to be completely oblivious?
Well said !
JB, T & J, thanks so much for sharing. For those of us still under the radar who are enlightening friends, employees, and family members to the truth before our own declares occur, these types of posts help. This is happening in PT, you are providing real proof. I guess my last $15,000 “donation” has helped pay for some of these guys. Try not to hold it against me. I’m wiser now.
The word on the street in LA, is many OT 8’s are not happy with the date change and are unwilling to change their air tickets and arrangements (very expensive and just a big inconvenience) So moving it to June 27th was not that good of an idea.
I think DM just gave a hell of a lot OT’s the excuse they needed to not show up – can’t change my plans!
On another note – when the boss is away, it might be a good time to try and get people to wake up in there. Sure you have some rats who will always be loyal, but if the mood is a little lighter people might get some sanity.
A real class act. I like JB’s quote about not getting mad at the rock, but at the guy who threw it. The fact is, DM doesn’t send PIs after people to get information, he does it for harassment. When people leave the Base, he can no longer harass them up close and personal, so he hires people at vast expense to do it for him. That it doesn’t work and in fact backfires (as every Scientologist can now see what he does with their money) will probably not dissuade him. The only thing important to him is dominating and controlling others.
Amazing. And what for? What is DM hoping the PIs are going to find out? JB running a brothel staffed by goats? It’s pathetic.
In England, in the 70’s, this sort of thing would be shown on speeded-up film with a jaunty soundtrack by Benny Hill.
All of these hired eyes are making DM’s obsessive paranoia less private…
Perhaps you are thinking of the famous Hershey episodes. That type of incident is referred to in An Essay on Management and HCOB 31 Dec 59 Blow Offs.
Actually it is Freedom issue 19 March 1969:
“Riots are not always caused by economic depravation. The bulk of American riots are caused by injustice.”
Talk about a perfect storm.
Those P.I.s are lonely bored and innocent.
I would befriend them, take out some ice cold beers, apologize for the inconvenience the Church has put on them. Enlighten them, bring them up the CDEI scale. Get a card so they can be contacted later in a trial matter.
Take the motion that comes in and use it to win.
“In the practice of tolerance, one’s enemy is the best teacher.”
~His Holiness the Dalai Lama
JB: Whistle-blowing? Hell, get a trumpet and be the Angel Gabriel! The whole world is waiting to hear what you have to say!
Jesus said to people like DM in Luke 12:3, “What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight. What you have whispered to someone behind closed doors will be shouted from the rooftops. ”
This video is spectacular!
The best thing anyone can do is to get a PI’s face on camera and then post it online. Their privacy is paramount. Out them online with photos or videos and they are compromised. During the height of Anonymous protests, PI’s paid the price of exposure online. I take Pete Sagi’s point that this could be distraction followed by a covert op.
Gary mentioned TALON. The SUV’s in the video looked to me like the standard issue TALON vehicles with the Eddie Bauer upgrade package. I ran into a TALON field supervisor on a side street on one of the early raids and he was outside of such an SUV. I even talked to him briefly. Based on my experience at Anonymous protests, the TALON guys drive SUV’s and their contractors drive sedans.
TALON is owned an operated by Ron Williams, a former Secret Service agent. I posted a public letter to Ron Williams at OCMB on 20 July 2008 asking him why he worked for CoS:
The TALON website is here, and it does place a cookie on your computer, so erase the cookie:
Talon Executive Services, Inc.
151 Kalmus Drive Suite A-103
Costa Mesa, California 92626
Talon’s executives as posted on their website:
Attorney David J. Schindler of Latham & Watkins LLC represents CoS. Schindler was busy sending harassment letters to the parents of teenage Anons who protested. He said that their children were part of known terrorist group that made anthrax threats, etc. Below is some text of Schindler’s letter. You can read the full letter at: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/c-d-letter-lw-7220/
“Latham & Watkins, LLP has been retained by the Church of Scientology International (the “Church”) in connection with a series of terrorist threats against Church leaders and parishioners made by an internet group known as “Anonymous”. Since January 2008, members of Anonymous have engaged in a campaign of violence against the Church, its members and church property. Anonymous members have made numerous bomb threats, arson threats and committed acts of vandalism against Scientology Churches. They have made harassing phone calls, sent vulgar and threatening faxes, posted threats on the internet and publicly threatened to kill Church leaders, Church security personnel and Scientologists engaged in religious services. On January 30, 2008, Anonymous members sent letters containing simulated anthrax to over twenty Scientology Churches in Southern California….”
This is how Drama Queen and COB David Miscavige reacts when he is threatened.
Marty, keep fighting the good fight!
The whole “gong show” reminds me of the movie “Burn After Reading”.
A bunch of clowns working for a bunch of clowns to investigate a bunch of nothing!
(If you haven’t seen the film it is hilarious and is a great take on the ridiculousness of cloak and dagger activities IMO)
This pisses me off! Keep us informed. Thank you for exposing.
I’m suffering in huge debts due to donations I thought would help the 4th dynamic. It breaks my heart… How far out.
Just my 2 cents. I think stalking is something one has a legal remedy for. A job for one of you research types (I’m not) to find out if it is illegal to stalk. If so, when it is assertained that a PI or (Stalker) is following you to call 911 and have the cops come and arrest them. Am I off beam? This would at least have official documentation in place for the inevitable lawsuit against the Church or DM for harrassment or even the inevitable investigative media report. Great headlines WHAT YOUR DONATIONS BUY!
“Investigation we do with a yell. Always.” — LRH
With your style, humor and creative flair you got the makings for a great reality show. Loved the guy standing next to you that was hiding his face. He’d be a good regular.
Come on 650.00 a day per PI.
It’s money well spent, wait till DM gets that right hand turn you guys made without signaling into his blackmail the folder against you. Hahaha.
That’s the one I was thinking about. Boy, have they done an about face. I used to respect their journalism! Even marched in protest after they did the Agent Orange expose.
Even Showed up in front of Tom Cruise’s house
Too funny! JB at TC’s house! And why does TC have bat wings on his fence?
Good idea… and also PI’s probably do enjoy investigating, you know catching the cheating wife in the hot tub nekked with her boyfriend.
These PI’s have probably already realised that they have been hired more to harrass rather than utilise any skills
or talent they have.
Yeah give them some reading material, if they have laptops maybe they’d like to read this blog.
Thought Provoking, yeah, 180 degrees.
Out of context, even if it is an accurate quote. LRH faced the most well healed, ominous forces on earth when that was written.
Perhaps you should go back to the SO you don’t seem flat about it yet.
Great job, JB !
Note that similar OSA operations against Independants have been going on for decades. I can’t even guess how many millions these actions have cost. And everyone knows that covert operations ( be it CIA, KGB, Mossad or OSA ) fail sometimes.
That’s why Heber got arrested in Spain. That’s why a police raid was conducted against the org in Munich, Germany.
Guess who informed authorities about alleged terrorist or criminal gang meetings – which were actually gatherings of Independants ( in Russia and Germany ). The Independants could clear that up, of course. Which backflashed against the “informants”.
Other outstanding OSA achievements include placing a mole near the French President who influenced him. Which was later found out.
Guess who made threatening phone calls to a reporter. Guess who send a PIs after officials, politicians and clergymen ( all happened in Germany ).
All this and much more is documented on the web.
Anyone wondering why some governments and countries have become so antagonistic against Scn ?
The madness here is spending huge sums of money creating antagonism. And then more money is needed for attempts to “handle” that antagonism.
A true ponzi scheme, isn’t it !?
Damn you OSA! No but seriously, I’m going to have to switch sides if this doesn’t get more exciting. OSA, you must try harder or I’ll have to start giving pointers.
“Me like big game!” -probably snowwhite, right now.
I don’t see anything tying this to a particular incident, Marty. As far as I can tell, the Church is following LRH policy on investigating a squirrel – which, whether accurate or not, is what they think you are.
“A person or an organisation using Dianetics or Scientology wrongly or without rights… is best shut down or shut up by hiring a private detective. Tell the detective ‘We don’t care if they know you’re investigating them for us. In fact, the louder the better.'” — LRH
I don’t mean that it’s right, because it isn’t. And I don’t mean it isn’t silly, because it is – wonderfully so. Again, they’re acting like 8-year-olds. But whether in or out of proper context, they have policy to back them up.
Clarification – I said “what they think you are,” and I meant “What the independents are.”
>While I hate Miscavige, we need to hear how you’re going to make a difference.
Who is “we”?
Caliwog, Thanks. You are right. The facts sort of turn the world upside down. I contend I am using Dianetics and Scientology properly and with rights. I further contend Miscavige is using Dianetics and Scientology wrongly and without rights. I don’t care whether he knows that I am investigating him. However, where I part company is the idea of volume for the sake of volume.
Marty, well done on your alertness and quick handle -with truth of Caliwog’s comment. You’re good you! (sorry, a little Deniro slipped in there)
The PI Joel said ‘at least 2 others’ would come running if he radioed for assist. That means there are at least 3 PI’s around at any one time. If there are 3 eight hour shifts, that’s 9 or more per day. Could be the same around Mike, and maybe Marty. I’ve seen at least 3 hanging around the FH at any one time. There must be 20 to 30 PI’s on the payroll at all times. At $650 per day would be well over $10,000 per day. So the next guy who pays to become a Patron gets less than a week’s worth of PI’s paid for. You’d sure need a lot of Patrons to keep that one going.
you talkin’ ta me?
Last word. (Go on, I dare ya.)
Chairman of the Bored,
Although it’s a little late in the chain on this thread, LRH tells us that the biggest overt you can commit is to make others guilty of overts.
From a sincere view, please look very thoroughly at what these men are doing in present time.
What I mean is, do a real obnosis drill on all the writings, videos, actions, handlings, confrontations and even rescues they’ve been responsible for in helping others.
Marty has openly stated that, wherever possible, he has personally apologized to anybody he might’ve wronged.
We all got duped by DM. You, too.
Making others guilty of overts in light of currently being upstat isn’t of any use here.
Yeah Marty. Rafferty and his gang love me. They have a Mike Rinder fan club. They are putting on a dinner for us after July 4th as they are going to be doing some serious overtime I would guess…. 🙂 Mike
Thanks for the word Lucy. They will probably miss the extra IAS regges usually brought in from Clearwater and elsewhere to all hands reg!
If that’s the same Rafferty who was working during the LMT days, he’s made working for Mestology his career. He and other PIs used to come over and jaw with T Bone who was parked at the WB most of the day.
I cracked up when Marty wrote up Warren McShane’s response and act. It’s not like they’re way different physically Warren’s skeered of the big bad SPs these days and the flap caused by JB showing up which his boss would no doubt scream at him for.
Freedom magazine had a purpose as indicated by its name. There were quite a few significant journalistic exposes that were broken by Freedom. Now it seems—like the rest of the Church—that Freedom has become just another Chairman Dave promo piece. But if anyone had a doubt that DM was positioning himself as LRH 2.0 and the “ecclesiastical leader” that we don’t need or want, then this issue of Freedom (which should probably be renamed Betrayal) is the smoking gun.
The Sea Org is notorious for not being willing to pay out of FP (Finanicial planning done by Ad Council) for medical for SO members contrary to what they claim at recruitment and signature of the 1 billion year contract.
In addition to having a FREE PASS of a 501C3 tax exempt “charity” ~~ the tax payer has been billed for decades for medical for SO members who claimed to be indigent.
In the meantime, Miscavige lives like a rock star, privately benefiting from Parishioner monies while he hires an abundance of lawyers and PIs.
Did you read Haydn’s write up of regging in the United Kingdom ?
I wonder who has the hat of D/Chamber pot for DM? One can’t forget to bring the chamber pot along!
Seems right, so you have to “think big” as a Platinum Excalibur would keep this dog and pony show going a bit longer!
PS: What about keeping watch for two decades?
W and P, nice connecting of the dots.
Sinar, same old same.
Office of Sadistic Affairs.
You have a lot of nerve to complain about the psychs!
They were just getting hatting. Doing an internship.
Who is most dangerous to the Church now?
People who were hatted by them.
Now that I’ve addressed that, wouldn’t you feel better if you got your ser facs handled?
Yeah, do a contact assist with the Sea Org.
It really works!
I don’t know how many here have read Malcom Gladwell’s “Tipping Point”.
If you are curious about cultures you will love his books.
But I was talking to someone in England a few days ago who told me Marty has caused the “Tipping Point” here.
This is TIPPING POINT!
Well, you should all know that as a result of this video posting, Joel and a few other members of the “watch JB” team got the boot. A tougher team ended up being assembled. Gave them the slip unfortunately! So, now the don’t know where I am again. My deepest appreciation to Tiziano and Jamie for a few lovely days of genuine hospitality at their very nice home!
Its actually Enema Bag In Charge. But its HFA by his Steward. No joke.
Damn JB! You’ve hardly aged in 25 years!
Nice touch, telling them where you were going so they could use a real bathroom.
Loved the Moxon phone number face shield! Perfect. This just keeps getting worse for the C of M.
One thing everyone should realize: These PIs are just hired guns. They are in it for the money. Easy money to them.
Marty: do you ever have a dilemma about what to post, given so much great material and only so many hours in a day?
Yes, indeed! Fidelio, amen to that!
I cannot believe that I almost went bankrupt to donate to the IAS, and all for WHAT? Men in cars, peeing in jars?
LOL, yeah. JB would probably type more accurate information on his whereabouts.
DM could just follow his tweets. Or listen to his tweets. However you say it, I never got into Twitter.
Careful about who you are calling loony tunes. Back in 1992 after blowing the Sea Org, I made great money working for a friend who was a PI who contracted with the church although he thought they were nuts. They paid stupid high. Ford Greene was one of the guys I remember doing surveillance on my friend always said if you get caught don’t worry about it. PI’s always get caught. I got another job before I ever got caught. Thanks for the good pay back then Marty and Mike. 🙂
Awesome as I mentioned earlier.
For what it’s worth, I searched the phone number displayed as Moxon office. Per Google, it belongs to the following:
LAW OFFICES OF ELLIOT J. ABELSON
8491 WEST SUNSET BOULEVARD
LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90069-1911
TELEPHONE (323) 960-1935 $ FAX (323) 650-0398
He is one of the CoM legal guns, yes, but not the stated one.
Did I miss something?
War & Peace,
I was being facetious about the “Billion dollar Slush”.
The point is that money is a form of energy, and energy is controlled with flows.
DM obviously has a stuck flow on money and the ridge he is creating with it shall be his downfall. He can’t even waste enough money to be able to have more. It’s too precious to him.
We, on the other hand, should stay at postulates and continue to deliver.
Keep reporting the facts, yes — but know that loving one’s fellows is the ultimate trump card.
I second War & Peace. I know from experience.
I had to pull my own molar (tooth) with lineman’s pliers because apparently there wasn’t enough money in the Financial Planning for me to go to the dentist, even though my post statistic was in Affluence ↑ .
Awesome story! I love hearing stories like this. It fuels me up to know we’re winning and people are free.
You’re also human rights activists, y’all.
I want to add my appreciation for JB, Marc and Tiziano and Jamie. The light, humorous tone is the only way to go. There’s no need to be afraid and there’s no need to be angry. It really is pathetic what DM is doing and the world can see it along with you.
Something CAN be done about it!
Gee, Moxon’s number shows up on a PI’s pad and PI’s show up outside the Headleys’ home and the Headleys are in litigation with the CoS… that’s not smart, DM.
It would be interesting to see the PI’s reaction if you were to confront them with a camera crew from a major media outlet. Calling Anderson Cooper anyone?…
Hey, is it my imagination or did an ex sea org member who may or may not be new to this blog just get hammered and made to feel stupid?
He’s probably new so play nice – please. Looks like to me he logged in and asked a legit question any noob to this blog would want to know.
COTB, look around the blog and you’ll get your questions answered. The 31 Factors pretty much spell out the direction this blog is going. Google “The Truth Rundown” and watch the videos. Also check out the video of what happened to Mike and Marty at Flag.
Thanks for your work. I know you did it because you want to make our world a better place.
This comment of yours is really out to lunch, Bored. Marty, Mike Rinder, LB and all others on this site do what they do on their own origination for the obvious reason to make as much positive effect as possible per unit of time. Have you contributed positively in this direction? Your comment here tells me you have not.
Insane circus really.
This was DM’s response after I gave him the slip every time!!!
You’d think they know better than to try to pull a fast one on you. And yet they keep trying: on you, on Anonymous, on exes, on critics…
You should edit to reflect that and post ’em anyway, so we can laugh at them.
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