| These HUMANITARIANS are ensuring that freedom for eternity. |
CRAIG & SALLY JENSEN
Craig and Sally Jensen, New OT VIII Ambassadors and La Canada residents,
achieved Humanitarian Honor Roll status for the San Diego Ideal Org. Noted
world-wide for their generosity and mega-donations to Scientology’s leading
causes and groups (IAS, SuperPower, Author Services), the Jensens
distinguish San Diego as an up-and-coming highlight on the Scientology
world map.
Why do we contribute? Because we have benefited from Scientology beyond
our wildest dreams. We chose the path to OT over the dwindling spiral. We
made the decision to follow the Grade Chart to Clear and OT, to total freedom.
And with that goes a responsibility to LRH and to our fellow man.
Scientology is not a luxury; it is a vital necessity for existence. As the heart of
Scientology in our area, the org must be woven into the very fabric of our lives.
It has to be part of our financial planning, part of our strategic planning, even
part of our estate planning. This is not a Thursday at 2:00 cycle, it is a long-
term commitment. It is an investment in our third dynamic. It is our legacy.
Craig and Sally Jensen
Craig and Sally Jensen |
Moving On Up a Little Higher 
My friend wrote a KR on Craig Jensen for ogling women in 1995. (v. o·gled, o·gling, o·gles
v.tr. 1. To stare at. 2. To stare at impertinently, flirtatiously, or amorously. v.intr.
To stare in an impertinent, flirtatious, or amorous manner.n. An impertinent, flirtatious, or amorous stare. [Perhaps from Low German oghelen, oegeln, frequentative of oegen, to eye, from oghe, oge, eye; see okw- in Indo-European roots.]
Her KR specifically talked ab0out the fact that he was not able to focus his eyes any higher than about 18 inches below her face…. staring openingly at her breasts….. she was highly insulted and his wife was standing directly beside him, apparently oblivious to her husband’s open, near drooling stare…… how TOTALLY OT of her~.
I guess if she doesn’t see it, it isn’t there….. WAIT a minute I think that might get handled as a Service Facsimile!!!! …..
It did for me, but I am a lowly Grade IV and only a lifetime member if the IAS… hummm maybe that would be the difference…..
This is disgusting!!
I’m auditing on OT 8 and realizing how much of a trap is for a being to Not-is.
Moreover their advertisement is promoting something that is squirrel management…
Pushing lies to a 3rd D.
Somebody need to go behind their heads and count backwards room 3 to 1 and command them “Come to PT!”
Pretty sweet deal how if you donate lots of $ you get an all caps HUMANITARIAN.
Why didn’t Ghandi think of that? Now he’s stuck with the lower case.
I’m DFB by the way. I’m “coming out” on a gradient…..
I’m in that club and it sucks.
You have to put Scientology in your estate planning??? WTF!!
BUYING POLITICIANS
# Rep James E. Rogan (R-CA): Jim Rogan “inherited” the Glendale district from Carlos Moorhead, and joined H. CON. RES. 22. He also signed a proclamation in 1997 praising Scientology Celebrity Center for its “community activities”. In June 2000 he introduced Scientologist Craig Jensen as “an old friend of mine” at a hearing of the House International Relations Committee on the treatment of religious minorities in Western Europe. Who pays him? Scientologists Craig Jensen, his wife Sally Jensen, Joseph Feshbach and Nancy Cartwright. It didn’t help him – he lost his seat in the 2000 election. His Chief of Staff was Scientologist Greg Mitchell (more details here and here). Greg is now vice-president of Keelen Communications and also involved with the Scientologist group Citizens for Social Reform.
JENSEN, CRAIG
8/17/98 $1,000.00
LA CANADA, CA 91011
EXECUTIVE SOFTWARE -[Contribution]
ROGAN FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
JENSEN, SALLY
8/17/98 $1,000.00
LA CANADA, CA 91011
HOMEMAKER -[Contribution]
ROGAN FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
JENSEN, CRAIG
6/24/97 $1,000.00
LA CANADA, CA 91011
EXECUTIVE SOFTWARE -[Contribution]
ROGAN FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
JENSEN, SALLY
6/24/97 $1,000.00
LA CANADA, CA 91011
HOMEMAKER -[Contribution]
ROGAN FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
JENSEN, CRAIG
9/8/96 $1,000.00
LA CANADA, CA 91011
EXECUTIVE SOFTWARE -[Contribution]
ROGAN CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
JENSEN, SALLY
8/6/96 $1,000.00
LA CANADA, CA 91011
HOMEMAKER -[Contribution]
ROGAN CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
JENSEN, CRAIG
10/25/95 $1,000.00
LA CANADA, CA 91011
EXECUTIVE SOFTWARE -[Contribution]
ROGAN CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
JENSEN, SALLY
12/12/95 $1,000.00
LA CANADA, CA 91011
HOMEMAKER -[Contribution]
ROGAN CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
FESHBACH, JOSEPH
7/26/97 $500.00
PALO ALTO, CA 94306
FESHBACH BROTHERS -[Contribution]
ROGAN FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
CARTWRIGHT, NANCY
7/6/98 $500.00
BEVERLY HILLS, CA 90211
ACTOR -[Contribution]
ROGAN FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
CARTWRIGHT, NANCY
10/16/98 $250.00
BEVERLY HILLS, CA 90211
ACTOR -[Contribution]
ROGAN FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
CARTWRIGHT, NANCY
10/30/98 $500.00
BEVERLY HILLS, CA 90211
ACTOR -[Contribution]
ROGAN FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
(From FEC data)
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/politics.html
I don’t know if this information has already been told, but for those that don’t already know, Craig Jensen and his wife Sally are both EX Guardian Office staff.
Craig once held the post (job) or Deputy Guardian Legal US. DGLUS was THE top post in the US for all legal cases that Scn was involved with.
Sally Jensen, was the Deputy Guardian Social Coordination US. Social Coordination is now known as ABLE. The DGSCUS was responsible for running all the front groups that use LRH tek.
Date wise, I’d say this was mid seventies until the early 80’s when the GO was replaced with OSA.
The Jensen’s were and are both major players and major financial contributors to the cult.
You’re correct about Craig being the DG Legal USGO then. I remember going on a mission there from GOWW on behalf of Hubbard. It related to Hubbard’s script for “Revolt in the Stars” and getting it out of one company’s hands into another’s. Craig helped set up meetings for me and assisted me on other matters.
Years later, mid 90s I believe, Craig and I also worked together. We were both CEOs of million+ dollar companies run by scietologists and as such were members of WISE’s highest membership level called the “CEO Circle”. He was CEO of Executive Software (what was Diskeeper then) and I was CEO of RealWorld Corporation.
We actually had CEO Circle meetings which Craig chaired. Our primary purpose was to help spread scientology via the running of our companies and we would work out and coordinate plans for doing so. I worked directly with Craig then from this capacity and once asked him why he maintained 100% ownership of his company as we at RealWorld split up the ownership so that a bunch of us could make big bucks some day when we sold it. Craig’s answer was that he would never sell Executive Software (Diskeeper) as it was his main way to help spread scientology. Through employee incentives he would pay for many of his employees services in scientology organizations. For those who were not scientologists he would have them do “Hubbard” courses and turn as many of them as possible into scientologists.
Craig also said that he would use his wealth from owning Executive Software to get millions to organized scientology and would work out ways to try to get the company’s business partners into scientology as well.
The bottom line is that Diskeeper was created to help make scientologists and get millions of dollars into the coffers of organized scientology. And that is right from Craig’s mouth to my ears.
I understand why he did it as I was once of a similar mindset. But it’s bullshit now that he’s trying to hide that fact in the litigation so as to avoid his legal responsibilities for forcing scientology onto employees who did not want it.
__________________
Anon of the Opera!!!
Christine: “I am the mask you wear”
Phantom: “It’s me they hear”
My blogspot: http://larrybren.blogspot.com/
“HUMANITARIANS WANTED. Who’s Next?”
No Thanks!!!!
“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”
DM SLUSH FUND ~~ MAJOR CONTRIBUTORS
(many are still drinking the KOOL AID)
But some of them are reading Marty’s Blog…..
Big time~~~
Cornerstone Newsletter [circa August 2007]
Super Power Project
The Cornerstone Newsletter is published a few times
a year and is a cumulative list of Scientologists that have
made a donation to the Super Power Building in the
amount of $35,000.00 or more.
I’ve been collecting and reporting the stats on those
donations for the past 5 years.
The total collected per the newsletter as of Aug 2007
is $ 142,760,000.00. This figure is a “low-ball” figure
and does not include the people who are “Double
Cornerstone members”, i.e., paid 35,000 dollars twice
or (70,000 dollars) nor does it include any
“Double Legion of Honor” members, which would be
those that paid a million dollars twice, or any other
“Double” members.
That information comes out in other Church publications
and promotional pieces and I have not spent the time to
keep track of all of them.
Additionally, this list does not include those people that
have donated less than 35,000 dollars. Those people and
donations exist but Scientology does spend the promo
money to list them out.
Also, this list does not include donations made by people
who have since left the Church and been declared SP’s
or “ethics bait”. The Church deletes those people’s names
from the lists.
So the $ 142,760,000.00 is a “low-ball” figure and my
guess is that the figure is probably closer to $175 million
to $200 million dollars raised.
Below you can see the stats that I have kept.
The Income total in Jan 2002 was $ 67,100,000.00
The Income total in April 2002 was $ 69,475,000.00
The Income total in September 2002 was $72,070,000.00
The Income total in March 2003 was $81,345,000.00
The Income total in August 2003 was $84,500,000.00
The Income total in February 2004 was $90,790,000.00
The Income total in March 2004 was $92,110,000.00
The Income total in July 2004 was $88,905,000.00
The Income total in November 2004 was $92,915,000.00
The Income total in July 2005 was $110,510,000.00
THE INCOME TOTAL IN AUGUST 2007 IS $ 142,760,000.00
I was present at the Super Power ground breaking ceremony,
which was held on November 21, 1998. The building is still
not done and the C of is racking up daily fines for it’s failure
to complete the project. If anyone has a current time line of all the
PR, lies, and promises made by the Church of Scientology regarding
the Super Power building, I’d be glad to link to it and attempt to
help keep it up to date.
Cerri
MASTER LEGION OF HONOR [?? Unknown – possibly $15,000,000.00]
Bob, Trish, Dsara, David, Daniel, Dylan, Diamond, Diana and Dante Duggan
LEGION OF OT MERITORIOUS [$10,000,000.00]
Dr. Bryan & June Zwan
LEGION OF OT [$5,000,000.00]
Ron & Mireille Pollack
LEGION OF HONOR [$1,000,000.00] [23]
Elizabeth Baybak
Michael Baybak
Gary, Grant & Elena Cardone
Dohring, Tabibzadeh,
Emrani, Kinney & Borth Families
Aviva Ezra
Meir Ezra
Gall, Hadar & Neo Ezra
Cindy Feshbach
Joseph Feshbach
Kurt & Kannon Feshbach
Kathy Feshbach
Matthew Feshbach
Hillman, Kezsbom, Kugler, Marsh, Novitsky & Turbin Families
Craig & Sally Jensen
Cay-Dietrich & Lidija Koehn
Miroslav Labas
Dr. Gabor Lenkei
Jenny Listug
Kurt Listug
Bruce E. & Sue Moore
Sikora Family
Mike & Chiara Staples
Read more :::::
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=278892&sid=0cff5851c2693035efdcb2061facb73e
Join the “humanitarian’s club” wealthy, arrogant, greedy, dishonest are not descriptive of Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King or Rosa Parks, but Craig Jensen fits the bill pretty good. Humanitarians like Gandhi and MLK gave their entire lives to humanity and dedicated all efforts to humanity it is a huge black eye to history to place the Jensens anywhere near real humanitarians…
And to have a “humanitarian’s club” to build idle orgs!
You weren’t kidding Marty – it is the pinnacle of ignorance and arrogance!
I’d be ashamed – if I were the Jensen’s I’d be very upset to have my name misrepresented in this way.
Humility, integrity and knowledge are virtues long lost in the megabucks church of mestology. In fact money and wealth seem to determine if you can be labelled a “big thetan” “… Craig Jensen’s a big thetan…” in their vocabulary only millionaires are “big thetans” and everyone else, well, not so much…
They’re humanitarians because they gave money?
Isn’t that kind of an ironic word to use, given how little respect Scn has for humans?
Cardboard.
Stiff.
And these two people purportedly distinguish San Diego “as a highlight on the world map” why?
Because of pu$h-regging? And writing a check.
And the condescending tone of about “Scientology” used to solicit these funds, that it
Scientology simply is — without assertions and convoluted tariffs and no-exchange donations.
What part of “DELIVERY” do they not understand.
But the most arrogant and offensive thing about this promo is the placement of smug smirking self-righteous check-writing on par with the likes of people like Gandhi, King, Mandela, Mother Teresa and other who gave of themselves, with full service and dedicated compassion toward humanity.
This sorry, uninspired promo puts these two posers above the great souls who served humanity…and they’re great for what? Writing a check? The promo holds them up as examples above, for that matter, Auditors who roll up their sleeves and audit.
This is sorely pathetic but beyond being obnoxious and deluded, it’s dishonest. If there are any people protecting the names and estates of the real humanitarians pictured, I would hope they protest over their images being used for this flagrant fleecing scam.
The Humanitarian Club??? Nauseating Flow O adulation (self to self)
“Scientology is not a luxury; it is a vital necessity for existence”.
Why then is SCN so expensive? Why then does the Church not correct its mistakes (out tech) for free?
I guess if you are a multi-millionaire it all makes sense.
Well hang on. You’re saying the positioning Craig with Ghandi is not correct? How about Martin Luther King? All he did was get the oppression off of the backs of Afro-Americans. Jensen figured out how to defrag Windows! Ghandi doesn’t hold a candle…..
And Dave – there’s a brown spot on your nose. Ya, right there, there you go. Oh, you like it there? Ok.
Tom
Alright. I fail to see what this has to do with DM and what everyone on Marty’s blog are trying to do. It is sometimes difficult to not “ogle”. Heck, when I see a beautiful woman I really have to work at not looking and I do look but perhaps not as obvious as some. If someone had written a knowledge report on me for “ogling” I think I would have ROTFLOL. That to me is ridiculous. I also feel that this report is irrelevant. I do not personally know these people mentioned but unless they have done something like DM or his people then I do not agree with the character assasination and feel that it is not appropriate. But hey that’s just me. With that first comment, this is turning into a gossip column.
No Comment.
They were once fine Scientologists.
Now they are sheeple.
“Scientology in our area, the org must be woven into the very fabric of our lives.
It has to be part of our financial planning, part of our strategic planning, even
part of our estate planning”
In other words, just cause you’re dead doesn’t mean you can stop paying up.
Fuck your whiny little grandchildren.
However, I still have to say that a couple like this that is hell bent on giving every cent to the Cof$ obviously are good beings who have been led by the nose, I mean led astray.
I’m not happy to see this happening to them at all. My guess is they will have nothing in their old age, which looks like it is quickly approaching.
I would personally like to tell them what happens to elders inside this ightmare implant machine.
This ENTIRE STATEMENT sounds like it should be followed by a trademark TM symbol. There is no life in it, just a bunch of words strung together. This cardboard language makes rice and beans forever sound like a feast.
I’m sick and tired of zombie robots, who are these people? They probably got regged into doing this promo because they had no money left to fork over.
Estate planning???? Jesus H Christ on a surfboard.
The other thing that I just do not understand it this ~ San Diego Ideal Org if over 180 miles from their home…
While Pasadena Org is literally in their neighborhood and the LA OR and Valley Org are 20 minute neighbors or less.
They’re comparing Craig and Sally fucking Jensen to MLK and Gandhi??? And insinuating that the Jensens are superior???!!! Because they are giving shitloads of money on a “what have you done for me lately” permanent basis???
Am I reading this right???!!!???
Wait…don’t answer that. Please!!!
What grade of dope is Miscavige smoking? Or the Jensen’s for that matter, to even be a party to such an ad!
That’s being OT???
Why not just show a picture of the Jenson’s bent over with their pants down!
Sorry for being crude but c’mon!
We’re just not “big thetans” the likes of Craig, or the Feshbachs.
(thank god for that) yuck, I wouldn’t want to be in that circle, or should I say “humanitarian club” ha!
The legacy of Gandhi, Mother Theresa … is known by their unselfish and inspiring life they lived, where money was not of any central topic at all.
The legacy of the Jensens are their donations. Money, money money…that is the way to become Humanitarians in these days. Wellcome to 1984!
This ad brings me to throw up. The ad should be composed with pictures of people who financed war, slavery and destruction, but then on the other hand you couldn’t name yourself “Humanitarian”.
David
“It’s easier to be ignorant and say I don’t know about the problem. But once you know, once you’ve seen it in their eyes, then you have a responsibility to do something. There is strength in numbers, and if we all work together as a team, we can be unstoppable.” — Craig Kielburger, founder of Free The Children, an organization to stop child slavery
“The only thing that bothered me was that we waited so long to make this protest.”
— Rosa Parks [on Montgomery, Alabama bus boycott]
Craig and Sally are “basically” good people, just completely dupped unfortunately. In any case, this “promo” piece is atrocious and so “gluts” it just beyond comprehension. It just shows just how blind they are on 4th dynamic. Strangly they don’t even mention the 4th dynamic in the piece. Just a limited 3rd, San Diego Org. But they compare them to some of the greatest people that have ever lived, humanitarians on the 4th. If it would have been a piece comparing LRH to those people it would have been a different story. Just a sign of how blind the “OTs” of the co$ have become. And notice that its all about $$$$$ – “mega-donations”, “financial planning”, “estate planning”. What did Mohandas Gandhi had to do with money? What a comparison, beyond words.
I feel a kinda ‘sadness’ for Craig and Sally when they eventually arrive here and realize what idiotic robots they were.
But, idiocy can be redeemed.
What Marty et al are doing here is what these above mentioned misguided souls and their ilk pretend to do; ensuring the future of LRH for all who reach for it.
Donating to the IAS etc., was/is a crime, and those who did it need to answer for it. Those who donated to the IAS are in fact responsible to a very great extent the destruction of LRH’s legacy, the tech. They are the ones who funded it, unknowingly of course, but … nonetheless, they did it. They need to undo what they did. Just posting here and being critical of DM or the IAS or whatever just doesn’t cut it. You need to do more.
Conditions are conditions, and they need to be done.
Marty is holding up a torch in the darkness for all of us to see, and help us to gather together and begin anew what LRH intended.
Arriving here doesn’t mean you’ve done your conditions.
My personal view, and I’ll probably be flamed for it, is that those amongst us who have given money to the IAS etc., maybe should as part of their conditions get that money back, to whatever extent they can do so, and put that money to where they intended it to go in the first place, to ensure LRH tech extends into the future for all of us.
This ‘group’, this ‘community’, could benefit enormously from significant donations. Freedom costs, there is no getting around that, and the cost isn’t just vigilance.
I personally don’t have much money, rent is always an issue, but I’m going to pledge to this group what I can, not much perhaps, but much to me.
Further, regarding Marty;
I’ve been active in the ‘Freezone’ for many, many years, many years. We have had few amongst us who had the ‘altitude’ to lead us. During those many, many years, for sure since the early 90’s, maybe the early 80’s for some, our main concern was the tech, trying to get it, to apply it, to find others to comm with about getting it and the application of it, trying to create a ‘field’ of auditors, to get ‘out here’ what we had ‘in there’. That was our goal.
To a very great extent, we were successful. 90%+ of the LRH tech that is now in the field we got into the field. We managed to pull together all of LRH from the bottom of the Bridge up to OT VIII, with the exception of the films of OT II and a few SHSBC tapes. OT V, VI and VII, and VIII so it seems now, was always a question, but we had the basics of them… We definately need them as LRH wrote them.
We got the main part of the Bridge out for everybody.
Those most recently out who have knowledge, in my opinion, are obligated to ensure that what they know is disseminated.
There is a real history here folks, a history upon which you stand, that few of you know about.
Ralph Hilton has an intimate knowledge of it. The rest of you I don’t recognize.
Meters that you use with computers, meters of various sorts, tech downloads from various places, the search and experimentation was extensive, very very extensive.
In all of that period, only a few had risen to became beacons for the rest of us, all having to do with getting the tech out. Some stood out, one in particular called ‘The Pilot’ was a very great leader who tried to wear the whole hat of LRH. He did marvelous things, but he couldn’t wear the full LRH hat, he wasn’t up to it. No one is. He perished.
He was a great Being of good intent.
Ralph also stood out, was an inspiration to us to keep on keeping on. Still is.
Now with Marty and others here there is a new and significant shift. With Marty the other side is appearing, the administrators, and many of them being upper level administrators. We’ve had them before, such as Jesse, but there was no beacon around which the administrators could gather.
Now it seems some kind of ‘critical mass’ is occuring, and that more and more upper level admins are appearing, and they are appearing here.
Makes sense, first tech, then admin, then ethics ….
We as a group need to really pay attention to what LRH said about us not having a whole lot of time to do what needs to be done. The C of S has long ago stopped doing it.
This means we need to get the tech applied, and that means to get people into the chair. It means nothing else.
Bitching about DM and the IAS, though deserved and fun to read here, and should continue to be blogged here, is not going to do a danm thing.
LRH said we don’t have much time, and we’ve lost the last 30+ years as it is.
We need to get groups together to audit, to train and retrain auditors, to get their cases cleaned up, and get them out to the orgs to pull from those orgs other auditors.
The C of S is our public!
Is there anyone here who could help finance such an endeavour?
This is someone’s bright “positioning” idea. “Surveys say that people respect great humanitarians. Therefore we will position people who have a lot of money and give it all to Miscavige as ‘humanitarians’ and then everyone will want to be like them.” It’s just this kind of clueless, dead-headed, robotic “positioning” that used to drive me nuts when I was in the SO. Really, you’d have to be pretty dense to believe this to be either tasteful or effective. And you’d have to be pretty indoctrinated to fall for it. It’s a sick travesty to compare Craig and Sally Jensen to any of those people pictured at the top. One of these days the Jensens will discover what their “legacy” really is – as major enablers of a sociopathic tyrant.
They are just one thing: Enablers big style! And thus complictiy to worst crimes big style.
When they do make the money like my former boss did and does, they do it by tricking and cheating and betraying their employees big style.
Sheesh.
Their positioning to heroes of global magnitude and humanitarism is double think of the worst style and outright disgusting. Yuk.
and I bet he also left out the part about Nelson Mandela being a car bomber and Winnie Mandela promoting the use of the ‘necklace’, oh and the ANC’s anthem that includes the words “Kill the white farmer, Kill the Boer”. Oh yeah!!
Here’s a video of Winnie calling for violent revolution. Wow, what a humanitarian.
http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MTk=
And here’s a video where Nelson Mandela sings with his communist comrades about killing white people. “Kill the white farmer, kill the boer.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=fcOXqFQw2hc
And here’s an explantion of the word Boer for uninformed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer
They usally do it when you’re asleep in bed Marty, with a machete ;–)
we are humanitarians… A couple more.
“I am proud and happy to do what I did … You didn’t succeed to break me, you didn’t succeed to make me crazy … All those who are standing behind me, supporting me … all are heroes … I am a symbol of the will of freedom … you cannot break the human spirit.” — Mordechai Vanunu , a nuclear weapons whistleblower after release from 18 years in Israeli prison, April 21, 2004. [Vanunu Release News Story and Photo]
“When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.” — Jimi Hendrix
“Nothing strengthens the judgment and quickens the conscience like individual responsibility.” – Elizabeth Cady Stanton
Where, after all, do universal human rights begin? In small places, close to home – so close and so small that they cannot be seen on any maps of the world. Yet they are the world of the individual person; the neighborhood he lives in; the school or college he attends; the factory, farm, or office where he works. Such are the places where every man, woman, and child seeks equal justice, equal opportunity, equal dignity without discrimination. Unless these rights have meaning there, they have little meaning anywhere. Without concerted citizen action to uphold them close to home, we shall look in vain for progress in the larger world.” – Eleanor Roosevelt
“I don’t do great things. I do small things with great love.” – Mother Teresa
“Simple truths are more powerful than empires.” – Gandhi
And just before I forget. Do you know who Craig is? He owns a company called “Diskeeper Corp”, which produces defragmentation software for Windows computers and Servers (www.diskeeper.com). He hit it big when in 1995 he partnered up with Microsoft and released his product as part of Windows NT 4.0 in 1996. Subsequently a scaled down version his product was integrated into every Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7 you buy. So each time someone buys a copy of Windows, Craig gets a little chunk of that licensing fee, which he then funnels a chunk of to Little Dickie (my favored nickname for DM). And that chunk has been substantial over the years. Who knows what else his little piece of Windows code does? Since its not open to review, your guess is as good as mine, but looking at the history of the co$ installing secret software on every Scientologists computer. (In 1998 co$ secretly installed a program called “Net Nanny” on every Scientologists computer who looked at the CD they gave out in their packet of information about the Scientologist On-Line program. This program blocked the user from searching anti co$ key words and visiting anti co$ sites.) Maybe another reason not to use Windows but to use a free Linux or a Mac solution instead of Windows?
Marty,
very correct target. Bullseye! Thanks. Fidelio.
Just one more thing. In case you are opening the diskeeper defragmenter that comes with Windows XP and checking the “help-about”. You will see a company called “Executive Software” which was the previous name of the company that has now been renamed to Diskeeper Corporation. Its the same thing. For more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskeeper_Corporation
just noticed:
the pictures of MLK, Gandhi. .. are black/white, small and: “Humanitarians …..lifetime for freedom”
Jensens picture is with colour, bigger and:
“HUMANITARIANS …. freedom for eternity”
Jensens what a sad legacy – financing the takeover of Scientology
Humanitarian: a person promoting human welfare and social reform.
Thank Merriam-Webster.
I fail to see how a gilded church does either of these when there is already one in operation in the area. It would be one thing to throw all that money in putting one up where its needed, or to even direct that money at getting some people up the bridge… But to build a new church where one already exists?
And even then, shouldn’t the current church of the area be able to upgrade its grounds from its “straight up and vertical” stats alone? When you charge such high prices per intensive and your supposedly getting such a large inflow, “mega-donated” really shouldn’t be necessary.
Should we contact the Thought Control Police and find out if Amorous Stares falls under their jurisdiction?
Ah, the free speach of the freezone. No KR’s here. Just pass on the bad news.
Your friend did have a choice–she could have called him on it right then and there. She could have said “no” to that action. She could have said “what are you staring at” like most humans do if they don’t like that.
I don’t know the Jensens but they are in their picture two very beautiful beings. Their stats prove where their hearts are at. Wish they were in the Independent Field, but happy to have them anywhere.
I don’t know the Jensens but I really stared at their pictures, two beautiful beings…I am proud of them for achieving OT VIII and for contributing their time and energies.
OK, I’ve got it now.
If I do up an ad or a Web site and put a picture of myself below pix of Marilyn Monroe, George Washington, Thomas Edison, Steve Hawking, Sally Fields, Catherine the Great, and George Carlin …
And I write make a “mega-donation” (love that word!) …
Then, ergo, I am sexy, brave, smart, really smart, perky, powerful and one helluva sharp observer of the human race.
Check those off.
No be, no do, no have required.
Just Me
It’s great to know that by donating a ton of money to an insular organization and through the renovation of a single building in a first world country, you can “ensure freedom for an eternity.” Magic. Now I know that that’s all it takes…
These two are on a par with Dr Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa, etc.
I’d be more impressed with these two if, instead of spending $X million with the CoS, they would have spent $15k to build a water well in an African village. Or instead of rebuying the Basics 5 times, they would have provided just 1 laptop for just 1 school in a south east Asian town. While these would be financially far-less demanding, the fruits of these endeavours would have affected 100s, if not thousands, of people.
Do they know how ridiculous their claims are? And how untrue?
This has been gnawing at me: what would the mega-donations to Author Services be about? Are public funding the Writers and Illustrators of the Future? Or what?
When Craig was building his house in La Canada, he instructed the architect to make it 500 square feet larger than the house of his old business partner. I dare say it’s also larger than were the homes of Ghandi, MLK, Mother Theresa, Albert Schweitzer, et. al.
It’s too bad those individuals didn’t know they could become a humanitarian by just writing checks. Every one of them squandered most of their adult life working personally for the betterment of mankind.
It looks to me like they are being made into an “Admiration Particle”, and loving it.
They are just thrilled with what their money has allowed them to become. Apparently their means and the mestology are a perfect match for mutual aggrandizment.
Too bad for them. It will be very hard for them to wake up. I knew them and didnt have any issues with them. But to me this shows the curse of the “midal touch” where they have turned to gold themselves. Sucks.
sorry, “midas touch”
That’s not all they’ve given. They also gave their children to DM. Misguided good intentions seems to be the history of man.
What’s next?
Unbridled enthusiasm for some lynchings?
“the org (building) must be woven into the very fabric of our lives”
Gives new meaning to the underwear line called Fruit of the Loom, doesn’t it?
Jensen says it’s not a Thursday 2:00 cycle, but a long term commitment. He’s right! They have to keep giving & giving & giving………and give some more, long term, never ending.
I wonder how much these humanatarians will be giving when the the tax-exempt status is gone.
This again points out that in the usurped Church of DM, to achieve OT, one must be wealthy, make “mega-donations” to off-policy fund-raising activities that fill the golden coffers of DM. They even go so far as to suggest that this donation-giving must become part of one’s lives, even ABOVE living Scientology as a philosophy.
It’s also ironic, because in Class VIII tape #4, Standard Tech Defined, Ron says that Scientology is aptly named a “road to truth” because auditing strips away the lies, and once all the lies have been stripped away you have an OT. That OT would then be “TRUTH”.
However, in the Church of DM, it’s the opposite. Lies are laid in, false data is absorbed, and only the wealthy (DM’s misconception of the “able”) are truly “OT”.
“OT” is no longer OT in DM’s Church. It has truly become that which he resisted: the blind leading the blind.
Allright this is truly arrogant. How can they even compare themselves in the same category as the people like Dr. MLK, Mother Theresa, Gangdhi and the others? Because they gave a bunch of money towards a bunch of luxury buildings???
Talk about buying your way to salvation or your eternity! These folks need to spend a year in the slums of Calcutta and get a severe reality check.
In the times of the French Revolution the French Monarchy learned the hard way what happens when you live in decadence and fail to pay attention to the needs of the people. There comes a time when you do reach a critical mass where the common people do rise up and say no more. I think the peasants are in mind to revolt and it isn’t going to be pretty.
As ANONS would say “Let them eat Caek!”
Wikipedia has a thoughtful definition of humanitarianism:
In its most general form, humanitarianism is an ethic of kindness, benevolence and sympathy extended universally and impartially to all human beings. Humanitarianism has been an evolving concept historically but universality is a common element in its evolution. No distinction is to be made in the face of human suffering or abuse on grounds of gender, tribal, caste, religious or national divisions.
I’m sure that one could easily add economic station to this list if one were to look at the recipients of humanitatian aid.
The missing viewpoint in this promo piece, which is something that the Jensens seem clueless about is that humanitarians “do”. They don’t “sponsor” change…they create change, PERSONALLY.
The fact that the Jensens continue to support the IAS and have blindly accepted the PR (smoke and mirrors) without demanding real products of said reform and are encouraging others to do so as well, makes them accomplices to DM’s systematic destruction of Scientology.
According to them, it is their long term commitment. An investment in the third dynamic. Their legacy. And though they state that their contribution is their responsibility to LRH they have failed to investigate the very group they are contributing to.
Where did LRH say that our responsibility lay in contributing beyond our means toward high priced MEST? Look real hard because you won’t find it anywhere.
There was only one purpose for the org and that was to delivery Scientology services…training auditors and auditing PCs.
Darn, just got caught up in the IAS theta trap again. Lies, lies, lies…just glitz and glitter…a facade, because inside are the impoverished staff who work slavishly to sell more basics. Right, this article was about humanitarians…I know they are in there somewhere…if I just keep looking.
Excerpt from PAB 79 (10 April 1956) by Ron:
WHAT DO I THINK OF AUDITORS?
“Every now and again somebody tries to get me to say what I think of auditors.
They want me to become hypercritical, I guess, so as to match the asker’s tone. Well, I
better make a public utterance after all this time.
I think of auditors in a rather intense way. As I know more auditors than anybody
else and have a better basis for judgment, on this subject I can be for once an authority.
My opinion of auditors in general is fairly well known to several people.
I think of an auditor as a person with enough guts to DO SOMETHING ABOUT
IT. This quality is rare and this quality is courageous in the extreme.
It is my opinion and knowledge that auditors are amongst the upper tenth of the
upper twentieth of intelligent human beings. Their will to do, their motives, their ability
to grasp and to use are superior to that of any other profession.
I think of an auditor as having INITIATIVE. He is able to grasp or make a mockup
and put it into action.
Auditors survive better than other people.
If this world has any faintest chance of surviving it will be not because I write,
but because auditors can and will think and do.
I think our auditors came from beings lately arrived on Earth who, seeing where it
was going, decided to band together to send it elsewhere.
I consider all auditors my friends. I consider them that even when they squirrel. I
believe they have a right to express themselves and their own opinions. I would not for
a moment hamper their right to think. I think of auditors and Scientologists as the Free
People.
Just as they consider one another their people, so I consider them my people.
I think their errors of the past, when they existed, came about because we are
new and we are finding out and I don’t think any of their errors were intentional any
more than mine were.
I can understand their own reactions because I can understand the counter-effort
given them by society, and thus I don’t hold auditors guilty even when they fold up but
simply assume we’d better make a better effort into the society to overcome or bypass
the counter-effort.
I don’t expect auditors or Scientologists to instantly agree with or seize upon
whatever I say. I would be offended if they did and would feel they weren’t a Free
People. Since they are intelligent I expect them to think over what’s said, try it, and if
it’s good for them, use it. That old auditors sooner or later come back to and use what I
have discovered isn’t any testimony to our relationship at all, it’s only a testimony to
my being right because I meant to be right in the first place.
I sorrow when I see somebody accomplishing less than he should because he
thinks I wouldn’t approve of it. In organizations and out I count upon initiative and
good judgment.
The most decent people I have ever known have been auditors. ”
Compare L Ron Hubbard’s viewpoint on who is important to that of Miscavige, who apparantly revers only people who give him piles of money so he can build self-aggrandizing buildings.
Geeze, how far afield can those boys travel?
Oh, how humble and gracious of them.
And stating how the org “must”be woven into the very fabric of their lives tells just how much self-determinism and freedom is woven into that “personal choice”.
It also leaves open the endless possibilities of “or
else what”……?
The arrogant use of positioning, beyond
conscionable.
I’m comforted in knowing that like attracts like and DM is molding, shaping, surrounding himself with and able to keep in line those who are, or are behaving as if they are, of his caliber.
Perfect products of the CoM.
Craig Jensen? I met him on the Ship after having completed OT VIII.
Not impressed.
In retrospect, this was probably one of the early efforts to “organize” OT VIIIs. I was turned off, as my own business had only known harassment and demands for $$$ from WISE. No way did I want to get locked into anything with Jensen and WISE, I viewed it as just another shakedown.
On the plus side, I believe he did some smart things with his programmers, such as insisting on total silence within rooms where programming was being done. Programmers are vulnerable to Q&A and distractions, it’s easy to lose one’s train of thought.
You and Norm Starkey and DM would get along like peas in a pod.
Jeff, Yeah. Ironic, sorta a=a=a tech, huh?
First of all, if the org was providing anything of value, if it was in fact necessary to the survival or the improved survival of the beings in its field, if people were made better, stronger, or happier by its presence, it WOULD be woven into the very fabric of their lives. Nobody would have to tell the field they “must” do it.
(Typical of dm, he thinks the way to get orgs so established is not to provide the most valuable exchange he can for the money, but rather to appeal to our deep, driving need for status,which costs him nothing in return.
Problem is, we don’t have that need – the status thing is dm’s item. And apparently that of a few other “OT Ambassadors”).
Secondly, I have to say that I resent having Eleanor Roosevelt, Gandhi, MLK, Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandela and other great humanitarians used to “sell” Craig and Sally Jensen!
I understand positioning, but come on!
The people in those photos spent lifetimes in the service of mankind, often individually standing against great suppression and facing personal danger to do so. They are true examples of great human beings. Craig and Sally Jensen are FUNDRAISERS! They gave MONEY. They get others to GIVE MONEY.
Disgusting.
Coyboy Poet-
Perhaps Fruit of the Loon?
Tom
A bit contrarian, but thetaful viewpoint!
Nice to recognize that we are all on out own personal roads to truth….and that imagining enemies in those at different places on the road may be counter productive.
Here’s a bunch of podcasts from some “tone 40” scientologists:
http://www.newcivilizationpodcast.org/newciv/newciv.xml
The one from Craig Jensen is quite revealing about how he encourages followers to donate for idle orgs.
Laughing really hard out loud! Cowboy Poet, you are one funny fellow.
Just Me
Wow! I don’t know how I’ve never seen this, but I’ve never seen this before. Love it.
Just Me
Jeff,
Totally agree with you.
The omitted here — and its the unstated that drives everyone nuts about this “promotion” — LRH should be on the FIRST line.
THAT would really make the point. Because they are positionng those who give money above those whose work has helped man. Unfortuately, this is reality in the church of MEST — Craig and Sally Jenson ARE postioned ABOVE LRH.
Its OK, just more evidence of the insanity and money grabbing nature of SCN. TIME had it right, The Cult of Greed!!!
Dominic, I have to reign you in just a bit. Any software, like Diskeeper’s defrag engine, that goes into Windows undergoes intense, line-by-line code scrutiny. There is no way Microsoft would allow Exec Soft to include any type of code that sensored users internet surfing habits as part of a disk deframentation utility. It just wouldn’t happen. Regular code reviews are done and this type of thing would be discovered. There’s too much at stake for Microsoft to allow somthing like that.
I’ve used Windows for years and I can assure you, I’ve never encountered any such barrier to finding whatever information I need on the internet.
Uh, freedom? What freedom? I don’t see no stinkin’ freedom.
From LRH ED 301 INT, Ron’s Journal 30, 17 Dec 1978,
“Super Power will be delivered at Saint Hills within the next six weeks…”
I would love to know how the heck we went from LRH’s statement above, to a 200 million dollar building with no delivery over 30 years later?
I would love to know what “command intention” is these days.
War and Peace is Larry Brennan?
Ya’all don’t get it. Anyone who finances DM’s lifestyle is a GREAT humanitarian, worthy of recognition 0ver and above Ghandi, Mandela, et al. Those people only made things better for humanity, but a truly great HUMANITARIAN makes things better for DM, who is more worthy than mere humanity. Get your priorities right, folks!
😉
No
Not sure who this Jack is, but he aint me! Did my last post touch a nerve with OSA?
Hi Dean,
I see your point. But I do think it is somewhat relevant to see how this group survives despite being run by an SP. If DM is so bad then it must reflect in the higher levels of the public and I think that is what Marty is trying to show here. Mostly with the promo peice.
The KR for oggling…well…come on, that is not KR material. If it were then most men would have been declared SP long ago.
That KR was from a commentors post, not Marty’s.
ARC,
Tony
ASI was (is?) the fundraising organization for “Preservation of the Tech”. Now I had a comm cycle with one of the ASI reps a few years ago. I asked about the difference between ASI and CST because the roles seemed a bit overlapping. The short answer she gave me was that they were the same. That is probably not accurate per the legal and formal organization of the various church entities, but it is no doubt a practical answer.
Bruce Pratt
“It has to be part of our financial planning, part of our strategic planning, even part of our estate planning.”
WTF?? Yeah, while we’re at it, why not just have our entire paycheck direct deposited to our IAS account?
The chuch has become this giant blood-sucking entity that must constantly be contributed to. I can’t remember the last time I got a call from any Org just asking how I was doing, or if I needed help with anything. It’s always “come help us do this”, “come help us do that”, or “we need you to donate to this” or “we need you to donate to that”. If anyone does ask how you’re doing, it’s just a 1:1 facade used to get you in comm so they can ask you to donate your time or money to the latest project of the moment.
Pathetic.
Me confused.
Just Me
Nope, not Larry Brennan. But if it’s who I think it is, I’m thrilled to have this person on-board.
I hate to say this here, but this is cultish behavior. The following is from:http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/forum/uploads/CultCharacteristics.htm
“Every cult can be defined as a group having all of the following five characteristics:
1. It uses psychological coercion to recruit, indoctrinate and retain its members
2. It forms an elitist totalitarian society.
3. Its founder /leader is self-appointed, dogmatic, messianic, not accountable and has charisma.
4. It believes ‘the end justifies the means’ in order to solicit funds, recruit people.
5. Its wealth does not benefit its members or society.”
To reiterate: “Its wealth does not benefit its members or society.”
The Church does not take care of its own. Staff are abused and public is taken advantage of. The Church has no sense of responsibility to make good on its out-tech and overt products. It is always the pc/staffs fault.
The Ideal Orgs are there to get in new people not to help the public already in.
The Church does not take care of its own.
If the Church does not take care of its own, how can it be considered a humanitarian organization.
And how can donating to it be considered a humanitarian act.
Sorry, not buying it.
They have raised, for the Superpower Building, an estimated $142,760,000. Contrast that with the Church’s statement to the St. Petersburg Times in a March, 2009 article:
“Wright [Bob Wright, a Scientology staffer overseeing construction] said the building has cost about $40 million so far, and the church expects to spend $50 million finishing its elaborate interior. He leafed through 800 sheets of construction drawings for it. ‘It’s been planned to within an inch of its life,’ he said.”
Do you see a discrepancy here? The Church, by its own newsletter figures, has regged over $140 million for the project, which is projected to cost $90 million. According to my figures, that’s $50 million unaccounted for. Fifty million dollars.
Ton of false data and innuendo here. Prove any of this Dominic. License fee? No. Prove it. Not open to review? Not to Microsoft. Are you implying that Microsoft are DM-bots and would allow anything wierd in this code?
As for Vista and Windows 7 – no relationship with Diskeeper by that time. It ended with XP.
If you are an open source lover and Microsoft hater, fine. There are plenty of blogs for that. People on this blog are interested in what is happening to the Co$ and your other agenda is merely creating a distraction.
Yesterday my childhood friend’s sister reached for a book she brought from Brazil and said I think you’ll love it.
“The Shack” by Wm. Paul Young
I woke up early this AM and started to read what is already become “one of my most favorite” books.
(I’m heading up to my 3 week retreat in 2 hours)
The following paragraph from T he Shack beautifully illustrates THE startling difference to me between true humanitarians and this travesty called the jensens.
“Jesus picked up the conversation, ‘As the crowning glory of Creation, you were made in our image, unencumbered by structure and free to simply ‘be’ in relationship with me and one another. If you had truly learned to regard each other’s concerns as significant as your own, there would be no need for HIERARCHY.”
(final caps mine)
Love to you all
WH
Larry Brennan was the CEO of RealWorld Corp. who was in the CEO Circle with Craig Jensen. I remember the photo of the original group.
Larry Brennan may not be “War and Peace”, but this story is part of his history.
Wonderful, DFB99.
Gradients are necessary to both the statement and resolution of problems.
We (im?)patiently await your conclusion.
Bruce Pratt
I think we all get the point. The promo piece is cheesey. The positioning is ridiculous.
Obviously, someone who has wealth can do a lot of whatever they want. Okay, so they can afford to put it in their monthly or yearly FP. Good for them.
They believe in the programs. Does that make them bad? No. Stupid? Somewhat. Let em throw their money at the church. Who gives a rat’s ass? The target here is the promo and marketing.
Craig and Sally are decent people who want to see Scn succeed. That they are kool-aid drinkers is their blind spot, their bad. They are both trained and audited and have adopted firm policy to not look and not see.
Give it a rest.
Craig and Sally are very involved with financing DMs lifestyle. On several occasions, Craig has told me that he lets DM use his private jet to go anywhere he likes. For the past 3 years at least, DM and his entourage fly with Craig on the jet to the ship for MV and back.
Can’t Have.
Must Have.
Can’t Have…
Must Have…
Can’t Have!
Must Have!
Can’t Have! Must Have! Can’t Have! Must Have! Can’t Have! Must Have! Can’t Have! Must Have! Can’t Have! Must Have! Can’t Have! Must Have!
MUST HAVE A CAN’T HAVE!
Never mind. I’m no longer confused. Figured it out.
Just Me
It was only a matter of time until the church became a proper “old boys” club.
The flyspeck’s theme song.
Craig talks about scientology being part of his estate planning?
Sorry, I don’t see it happening. The C of M is so greedy, I’d bet that golden goose, Executive Software, is dead before Craig.
A couple of guys in a garage somewhere just now might be coming up with something that could render Craig’s diskeeper technology obsolete.
Does Craig think he is immune to such a scenario?
I would think it unlikely, due to Craig’s excessive HUMANITARIANISM that his company has enough reserves to try to stay afloat in order to adapt to the new landscape following the emergence of some superior competitive technology.
He’s a golden goose with all his eggs in one basket.
Ne – you’ve got a real ability to cut to the chase.
Well if one truly looks at the definitions no where to we find creating MEST as a humane, charitable or philantropic act. Au contraire it is in service to mankind, humanity, human welfare , you know the “people”. The problem with buildings is that they do eventually crumble or need to be replaced, repaired, renovated, etc. etc. Thus the virtual spinning door of regging for higher and higher cash contributions.
A true humanatarian leaves his/her legacy in the people they help through direct or indirect contribution. Long after they are gone they are remembered through the lives they touch. They are true spirits in that sense. Their love, their messages of hope, faith and charity towards their fellow man is what will one day create a world without insanity or crime. The current DM Church of Scientology buildings are nothing more than mausoleums. Empty and devoid of life.
hu·man·i·tar·i·an (hy-mn-târ-n)
n.
One who is devoted to the promotion of human welfare and the advancement of social reforms; a philanthropist.
adj.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of a humanitarian or humanitarianism. See Synonyms at humane.
philanthropy
a deliberate affection for mankind, shown in contributions of money, property, or work for the benefit of others. Cf. misanthropy. — philanthropist, n. — philanthropic, adj.
See also: Attitudes
voluntary activity of or disposition towards donating money, property, or services to the needy or for general social betterment. — philanthropic, adj.
See also: Charity
hu·mane (hy-mn)
adj.
1. Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion: a humane judge.
2. Marked by an emphasis on humanistic values and concerns: a humane education.
hu·maneness n.
Synonyms: humane, compassionate, humanitarian, merciful
These adjectives mean marked or motivated by concern with the alleviation of suffering: a humane physician; compassionate toward impoverished people; released the prisoner for humanitarian reasons; is merciful to the repentant.
Compare to
misanthropy
a hatred of mankind; pessimistic distrust of human nature expressed in thought and behavior.
Yup sounds like DM to me.
This is so far removed from the Scientology I signed up for that it is laughable.
Public donating for buildings????
If a wealthy Scientologist wanted to help out financially above paying for his services, it would be truly selfless if they insisted on anonymity so as not to distract from the true reason for orgs.
Read “Hymn of Asia” to find out what LRH thinks of status.
Precisely!
CRAIG JENSEN: PERSONIFYING “HOW HELP BECAME BETRAYAL”
I am glad someone in the fringes finally got around to questioning the exalted status of his highness, Craig Jensen.
I know someone who worked at Executive Software for ten years. (It’s now called Diskeeper Corporation.)
He described the most inhuman and inhumane working conditions I’ve ever heard of outside of the Sea Org.
This guy routinely worked 60, 70, and 80 hour weeks. He was never paid overtime. And the “bonuses” he got didn’t even amount to straight pay for the extra hours.
His salary was about half that of engineers working at his level, experience, responsibility, and position at other companies.
At the Church of Scientology’s New Year’s 2010 event, Craig Jensen is seen on film stating that other WISE companies are jealous because Diskeeper Corporation is experiencing affluence in the middle of an economic downturn.
Craig Jensen, the Humanitarian, is nothing more than a shill for David Miscavige.
Donating to ASI is donating to DM’s beemer, and his multi-million dollar bunker in LA. Remind me to do an article on that score.
I am all for applying “What is Greatness.”
It is not about them(be), it is not really about their affluence(have). It is all about their actions(do).
“Craig and Sally are decent people who want to see Scn succeed.” Awesome.
“That they are kool-aid drinkers is their blind spot, their bad. They are both trained and audited and have adopted firm policy to not look and not see.”
Besides this being my invitation to not love, this is the point, is it not? This is definitely NOT Scn, but that which Scn should help one handle. And by their actions, whether intentional or misguided, aid and abet the current regime of the CoM.
My nickel anyhow.
Bruce Pratt
In awe, speechless….
And the fruit doesn’t fall far from the Loon.
Thank you Marty. I was hoping you would say something to that effect.
Bruce Pratt
LOL. 🙂
On:
“This is not a Thursday at 2:00 cycle”
has anything been asserted?
😀
“…but this is cultish behavior.”
Your points are quite valid. No need to apologize – when it looks like shite and smells like shite, might as well just calls it shite!
“What’s next?
Unbridled enthusiasm for some lynchings?”
Don’t tempt me, haha!
Yeah, humans like statuses. It’s a shoddy substitute for admiration and respect.
It can be used as a control mechanism.
It means you are a better person ofcourse, if you pay more money.
Some people will flow a lot of power to an organization that awards them official statuses “above” the normal being.
“The missing viewpoint in this promo piece, which is something that the Jensens seem clueless about is that humanitarians “do”. They don’t “sponsor” change…they create change, PERSONALLY.”
AMEN, BROTHER!
WH – have a wonderful next three weeks. I’ve already been imagining you there.
Love,
Just Me
Mega supporting and condoning.
Plainoldthetan,
Now we are getting to the heart of the matter. Miscavige and his various groups of financial henchmen put tremendous pressure on the heads of companies, people like Jensen, to send huge sums their way. It’s far from voluntary, but they do it.
The 1 billion dollar question is who was and is beinf ripped off as a result?
One of the articles on my list to write is how the company I worked for kept some of its workers on rock bottom wages and even stole their bonus money so the head of the company (a Jensen mini-me) could play the big man with the IAS and DM. They ripped off Scientologists and non-Scientologists alike. I think many people in the town where I used to work would be interested to know why their bonuses were so low. The money went to the IAS, Idle Orgs, book donations, you name it.
But when Lucy and I asked for modest funding so we could keep real work going in the community (drug problems, literacy etc.) that was cut off in a flash.
Haydn
Jeff, so right. I actually felt violated when I read that. I’m sorry, this statement doesn’t contribute much but I can’t believe how far south this has gone. I feel so embarassed for the Jensens I’m almost crying.
LDW,
Thanks. I’m sad that it took so long for someone, in this thread, to have the wits and reality to point this out.
From my perspective, I’d have been happier to have seen the name of an auditor who audited preclears so well that many of them went on to beome first class auditors themselves.
I’m sure most of you can think of a name that meets that standard.
Having done that, describe the ache you now feel.
For me, it’s the ache of indescribable treachery.
Dfb, while Bruce is patiently awaiting I’m highly anticipating. Your gradient is a tease for me…..and not in a bad way. 🙂
Good point John Doe.
And the existing threat posed by Miscavige is still there too. To re-phrase an old Louisiana saying: lots of people steal the cream in this world, but Miscavige and his henchmen steal the cream, the milk, the delivery truck and then go looking for the cow.
I got a promo piece from Flag recently (last week or the week before) that didn’t mention anything about the Superpower building, but did talk about a building called “Mecca.” There were lots of photos of the outside of the building, which is right across the street from the Ft. Harrison, so I’m pretty sure that this is just a new name for the same building.
Aside from the creepy implications of using the name of the holiest site in Islam for a bloated money pit, it seems weird that they would change the name. Can anyone confirm that they are calling the Superpower building “Mecca” now, and does anyone have any thoughts on why?
Excellent quotes.
Fidelio, “Enablers” – good word!
Hi WH. Right back at ya!
By the way Dean,
No disrespect intended but what are you doing to handle this situation?
A wise indie friend just emailed me this…
“Money is only an idea backed by plastic”
Well put, Darla
Bobo said:
“We need to get groups together to audit, to train and retrain auditors, to get their cases cleaned up, and get them out to the orgs to pull from those orgs other auditors.”
This is something I have been getting a greater awareness of. The organizational patterns and procedures provide needed support to an auditor so that the results of Scientology are obtained on all beings, 100%.
Some people can go right on up the Bridge with marvelous gains with just one other terminal to work with. This is in fact common and thankfully so. Others require a team of people to who act as a support system for the auditor and thus greatly add to the equation Auditor + PC is greater than the PC’s case.
One should envision the correct ideal scene one is working towards.
It’s all covered in policy. Field Auditors audit their pcs and routed the tougher cases to the missions and orgs.
That’s the basic flow line that if lost would inhibit getting results on all cases, regardless of how well that auditor could audit. The third dynamic is stronger than the first dynamic, and some cases require quite a bit of work.
Therefore, organized groups who have the flow lines necessary to train auditors and handle pcs would be an essential part to an ideal scene.
In a nutshell, the basic policies, flow lines and procedures covered in the OEC are the ideal scene. These should be applied cleverly to the Communications Age we now live in today.
LRH described what an Ideal Org is in one policy letter. DM likes to con the public into thinking an Ideal Org is just a nice building, and that new public magically appear with its attainment.
This is what LRH says an Ideal Org is:
(This is number 40 in the Data Series and is HCO Policy Letter 12 March 1975.)
THE IDEAL ORG
The ideal org would be an activity where people came to achieve freedom and where they had confidence they would attain it.
It would have enough space in which to train, process and administrate without crowding.
It would be located where the public could identify and find it.
It would be busy looking, with staff in motion not standing about.
It would be clean and attractive enough not to repel its public.
Its files and papers, baskets and lines would be in good order.
The Org Board would be up to date and where the public could see who and what was where and which the staff would use for routing and action.
A heavy outflow of letters and mailings would be pouring out.
Answers would be pouring in.
Auditors would be auditing in Div IV HGC and Qual would be rather empty.
Supervisors would be training students interestedly and 2 way comming all slows.
The HCO Area Sec would have hats for everyone. And checked out on everyone.
There would be a pool of people in training to take over new Admin and Tech posts.
The staff would be well paid because they were productive.
The Public Divisions would be buzzing with effective action and new people and furnishing a torrent of new names to CF.
The pcs would be getting full grades to ability attained for each, not 8 minutes from 0 to IV, but more like 30 processes. And they would be leaving with high praises.
The students would be graduating all on fire to audit.
One could look at this ideal org and know that this was the place a new civilization was being established for this planet.
The thousand or more actions that made it up would dovetail smoothly one with another.
And the PR Area Control would be such that no one would dream of threatening it.
Such an ideal org would be built by taking what one has and step by step building and smoothing,
grooving in and handling each of its functions, with each of its divisions doing more and more of its full job better and better.
The business is always there-the skill with which it is handled and the results on pcs and students is the single important line which makes it possible to build the rest.
The ideal org is the image one builds toward. It is the product of the causative actions of many. Anything which is short of an ideal org is an outpoint that can be put right. The end product is not just an ideal org but a new civilization already on its way.
L. RON HUBBARD
P.S.
Independents, join the new Independent Scientologists website and feel a greater part of your third dynamic.
http://independentscientologists.ning.com/
I’ve never seen that either!
It seems I have seen parts of it, maybe the part about being free was cut out.
LOL!!!!!
Blow that friend a kiss from me, wuld ya?
“Command Intention” today is having to have before you can do…… and have and have and have and so no “do” can get done, besides it actually may cost money in order to deliver….
That is just so wrong on so many levels.
Ollie: “Well, here’s another nice mess you’ve gotten me into.”
Bruce Pratt
“We need to get groups together to audit, to train and retrain auditors, to get their cases cleaned up, and get them out to the orgs to pull from those orgs other auditors.”
Bobo, I want to thank you for your post. I have wanting to ask if there is anything or anyone out there that has something going for the retraining of auditors that have been off-lines for many years.
I have been gone for 34 yrs. I have no Scn. publications at my disposal. Nor, do I own an E-meter any longer. I was trained as a Class VI auditor/CS and am OTIII.
I would love to audit again but have no clue as to how I could be retrained. I am open to suggestions.
Marsha Pearlman Sorensen
Please, please, please…can we still call you DFB?
That is the most hilarious handle I’ve ever heard!
Marty,
Jack went off on a kind of an off-topic tangent here, but if he is a South African white, I can understand his frustration and fear. I don’t think it is fair to tar and feather him if you mean to imply he is racist.
The pendulum has swung the other way in S. Africa these days, and the extreme plight of white farmers today – ordinary people who once produced food in abundance in Zimbabwe and S.A. and related countries – is heart-wrenching, just as it was heart-wrenching the other way. Their stories make you want to cry. The racial strife there as elsewhere is part of why we need real LRH delivery and not just pretty buildings.
Back to topic at hand…
Leonore
Ne,
You’re the bee’s nees.
Am on the shuttle now heading into the mountains. Almost finished with ” The Shack”
Marty recommended this book awhile ago – honest it’s fabulous.
What I am loving more and more is how obvious it is that our lives are a magical mystery tour that is interconnected and interrelated …
Heck, WP I was involved from the side with “Revolt of the Stars” and the mess created by “seed money” for Randy? – Darby Simpson and Liz Gablehouse – quite the mess – had to dig deep to come up with Randy’s name.
Bit by bit the dark shadows long forgotten are coming forward … Truly very little left for dm and others to hide.
Thanks just me and mart
Fly like the wind…
Read the Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein, and then we can chat.
For that matter watch Invictus (made by Clint Eastwood, hardly a bleeding heart liberal) and tell me either yourself or whoever it is your are defending are anywhere near as pan-determined and forgiving as Mandela.
What does this abbreviation stand for “ROTFLOL”?
Thanks,
Felicitas
Hooray! Sam is back! Your turn to get ‘sudden’.
Will do….but his wife might get jealous!
By the way, thanks for being all that you are Cowboy. You’re an inspiration.
ARC,
IO
🙂
Just before I left the Sea Org in 1997, I was in PAc and another exec and I did a study of the “WISE” groups in SoCal. It goes like this:
Bob is a new Scientologist in Buffalo. He gets through a few div 6 course and somehow gets more involved with Scientology. He gets some auditing and then finally joins staff.
During his 2.5 year stint in Detroit he finds that there are a shitload of Scientologists in LosAngeles and they are all rich and so forth. Kind of like the same story Carlos Montuzzi got before he came to America in 1901.
Bob decides to move to LA. He gets on lines at LA Org and now needs a job. He is told that there are really kick ass WISE groups that hire and he can join them and move up the bridge. He finds Exec Software (or similar) and joins that group. He finds out that this place is more on policy than the org he came from.
He starts out at $500 per week and is told that as soon as he gets fully hatted and has good stats, he will get a raise. He is fine on that concept and he gets to work.
He drives to work in an old Volkswagon. His senior has a Lexus. Bobs senior tells him he should get a new car. His looks shabby.
So Bob getshimself a nice new car and is making $350/mo payments.
Bob gets invited over to his bosses house and sees a mansion. Bob is told that he too will have a house like this someday.
Bob works his ass off over the next few years, gets a house, and a year later he is in debt up to his ass. He’s still only making $800 per week and is eating beans and rice. He even has to fork some over to the IAS because “everyone else is doing it”.
Bob is trapped into the famouse mest game of “Keeping up with the Jonese.” Bob will never go OT because now he HAS TO stay at Exec Software and work in order to keep his new car and new house.
Meantime Craig loans his jet to DM,but he won’t pay his staff enough to go up the bridge. No no.
Sound familiar?
Tom
Marsha —
You bring tears to my eyes. Tears of joy.
With the care you express in “love to audit again”, I bet you need little to actually begin. You connect up with John and company in his ning, and I believe the rest will follow. You a ClVI C/S — retrain. puhshew. Dust off, maybe. IMHO.
Bruce Pratt
There is nothing wrong with being wealthy and generous. The sad part is if it is directed toward a corrupted purpose. Possibly 200 million has been donated toward Super Power? That’s not such a big building that it couldn’t have been built with all of its bells and whistles for fifty or sixty million tops IMHO. In 2004 I was in Clearwater and observed that the exterior was neglected, rust streaks in one area. The lot was fenced in and NOTHING was going on at that time. Supposedly construction has resumed now. There has been MORE THAN ENOUGH money donated years ago to complete the building. Obviously, somebody has been doing something else with the money.
A few years ago I read that 100 Super Power Auditors were in training. What ever happened to that? No one is going to train effective Super Power auditors if they really believe it takes 3 swings of the needle to make an F/N and that it’s out tech for the auditor to ask the pc “What’s up?”
This subject and the subsequent posts have led me to imagine what would happen if the CO$ would publish an article highlighting the “true heroes of Scientology and mankind.” (I know, a real fantasy) Those being the dedicated staff and SO who have toiled away , many times in horrific conditions, year after year. Both now and in the past, to clear this planet. Never looking for financial gain or popular, public recognition for themselves. Always loyal and striving to maintain and deliver the highest quality, on source LRH tech and policies. ” I could go on and on but you get the picture.
We know that DM doesn’t get it but you’d think that just maybe people like the Jensen’s might feel a little uncomfortable being singled out for all that credit and glory when the lowly staff only get short shrift unless they’ve brought in a truckload of money lately. The outpoints are so g;laring, you’d think they’d be utterly blind by now. Hmmm….now that I think about it, they are.
The CO$ is operating on a highschool mentality. Complete with “mean girls and boys” and who’s “in” and who’s “out.”
How seductive fame, fortune and glory can be. Some would and have sold their immortal soals for it.
I remember the days when we would all be applauded for each step we made up the bridge. And, how proud we were to help others take their next steps up the bridge.
The really interesting bit about the promo piece is that, except for Susan B. Anthony, all the examples they used were people of color.
Yes, we’re going to use examples of people without privilege and their struggles for privilege to caption a white couple with privilege maxing out their credit cards and mortgages.
Right.
Bruce,
you said: My nickel anyhow.
Don’t get me wrong, Being blind is a ser fac. And these guys are blind because they don’t look. So yeah, they are aiding a abetting.
When someone said this particular string of comments was a bit of a natter board, it struck a chord with me.
Irregardless, I’ll see your nickel and raise ya 5.
Linda
I’ve always liked the “These aren’t the breasts you’re looking for” t-shirt, personally.
Tom, You are one sarcastic bastard! I love it!
Oh my! Was this produced and directed by Lil’ Davey?
(lyrics)
The best things in life are free
But you can keep ’em for the birds and bees
Now give me money (that’s what I want)
That’s what I want (that’s what I want)
That’s what I want (that’s what I want), yeah
That’s what I want
Your lovin’ gives me a thrill
But your lovin’ don’t pay my bills
Now give me money (that’s what I want)
That’s what I want (that’s what I want)
That’s what I want (that’s what I want), yeah
That’s what I want
Money don’t get everything, it’s true
What it don’t get, I can’t use
Now give me money (that’s what I want)
That’s what I want (that’s what I want)
That’s what I want (that’s what I want), yeah
That’s what I want
Money don’t get everything, it’s true
What it don’t get, I can’t use
Now give me money (that’s what I want)
That’s what I want (that’s what I want)
That’s what I want (that’s what I want), yeah
That’s what I want
Well, now give me money (that’s what I want)
A lot of money (that’s what I want)
Whoa, yeah, I wanna be free (that’s what I want)
Whoa, a lot of money (that’s what I want)
That’s what I want (that’s what I want), yeah
That’s what I want
Well, now give me money (that’s what I want)
A lot of money (that’s what I want)
Whoa, yeah, you owe me money (that’s what I want)
Oh, now give me money (that’s what I want)
That’s what I want (that’s what I want), yeah
That’s what I want.
Marty,
Please understand – not attacking Mandela (I’ve attended his speeches), and I don’t know Jack. Slavery is horrific anyway the pendulum swings. Seeing slavery and abuses within the Church has sickened me, and it is why I support your efforts to open eyes and more.
I appreciate your book references. Since you are interested in these things, a historical eye-opener is Sufferings in Africa: An Incredible Story of Shipwreck, Enslavement, and Survival on the Sahara, by James Riley if you haven’t read it. This book is purportedly what inspired Abraham Lincoln to stand up against slavery, and it ought to be a required read in American history classes. Gripping, five-stars at Amazon.
Rolling On The Floor, Laughing Out Loud.
ML, CW
Ceileen, the Jensens have been donating to Scientology for years and years and years. They are former GO operatives, according to a commenter above. At what point did they make the transition from “fine Scientologists” to “sheeple”? Time, form, place and event, please.
Deidre:
It isn’t JUST that they gave $$$$, gigantic sums of it to Church of Miscavology.
It’s that they, like everybody else, studied
“Keeping Scientology Working” P/L
and
“Technical Degrades” P/L
at the START OF EVERY COURSE they did for the last 30 years.
And in spite of LRH’s plea to keep the work standard and not altered in any way, they have
bought into Golden Age of Technical Bullshit, 3 needle swings to call an FN, 6 month sec checks in the middle of Solo Nots, while auditors at Flag nod off and sleep during session due to unconscionable schedule, no exercise time and other abuse of staff.
The Jensens Sheeple have bought the Miscagive crap hook line and sinker and give their allegiance to the reptilian predator and not to LRH.
Tony :
Larry Brennan posts on this site now and again. He uses his name Larry Brennan, not a pen name.
His Email address, which he posts in multiple places on the web is~~
larrybren12345@aol.com
I quoted him, that was all.
Greetings Tony. Loved your story and transition from Alex. Good man.
HUMANITARIAN INC.
From Black’s 6th Ed.
In basic English grammar, a name spelled in upper and lower case, such as John Joseph Smith, is indicative of a flesh and blood man, legally known as a natural person.
On the other hand, a name spelled in all caps, such as JOHN JOSEPH SMITH, is indicative of an artificial person.
Artificial persons. Persons created and devised by human laws for the purposes of society and government, as distinguished from natural persons. Corporations are examples of artificial persons.
“Somebody need to go behind their heads and count backwards room 3 to 1 and command them “Come to PT!” ”
Does that trigger something that is trained in with Scientology methods ?
Thanks War and Peace,
Your really cool and I can’t wait to find out who you REALLY are.
I already know you have got some major power. I can feel it from your posts.
ML,
Tony
I’m so confused…
Good to differentiate your name as OSA and others play dirty tricks sometimes on generic names. Try Jack Spratt or Jack&Jill. Whatever.
The sheeple part is obvious. When were they “fine Scientologists?
I mean, apart from being willing to do dirty deeds when in the GO, and donating lots and lots of money, and getting others to donate lots and lots of money, and doing everything dm asks in order to further dm’s agenda IN THE NAME OF SCIENOTLOGY…
Anybody know whatever happened to RJ?? I haven’t seen him post for a long time.
Marcy, the tech you learned 34 years ago still works. NED is R3R with a couple updates easily found. Materials and meters are not hard to come by. The freezoners have all the stuff you need. Get in comm with Terrill Park. He is cool and will help you find what you need. You are right. Refresh, re-drill and get back in the chair and help someone. That is Scientology. Many people have gone from below Clear thru NOTs on a read it, drill it, do it basis. You are a Cl VI, what a gem you are.
Not in defense of gossip, certainly, and not to beat a dead horse, but the incident for which Jensen got himself written up was not an innocent case of male mammary admiration. The man has a HABIT. It’s been spoken of among people who know him.
In anybody else it would probably be joked about and that would be it. The problem is that Jensen is being held up as (and positioning himself as) all that a good, upstat scientologist
should be. He’s been made an example for others to emulate (with his full cooperation). And the man is an OT VIII. He does something habitually that is bad manners, distasteful to those around him, introverting and embarrassing to the women involved, and which reflects poorly on himself, his wife and his church, and appears to have either no self-awareness or self control in the matter.
It’s not insignificant. It’s a string.
Sam, There’s some Theta on your wall.
Yes, the Jensens, like hundreds of oithers are just being used in this way and probably they feel very used and intimidated.
Once, you make me laugh!
yes, it was hard NOT to notice that distinction.
Virgil, you obviously know what you’re talking about because this is actually Jensen’s operating basis. Very well done.
lunamoth
They’re just playing DM’s internal marketing game since no one on outside is the vaguest bit interested in this nonsense.
Couldn’t care less either whether Polar Bears drink Coca-Cola or not.
Nothing to do with LRH. To me its just some other BS they are doing, and since everyone and his dog tries to position themselves with “Good Hats”, it’s neither here nor there. Yawn!
I noticed staff in IDEAL ORGS wear capes. Hey, aren’t there any masks going with those superhero outfits too? Then they could do Batman TRs with ANON … lol
ie. IAS, IDEAL ORG donations to continue up and up.
Everyone to become DM’s spiritual Taxman.
I don’t care about CO$, couldn’t care less what they do. They are done anyways, and efforts and resources far better allocated to build up the Independent/Freezone movement.
Absolutely !!! The funds were minimally misappropriated, and parishioners were aware of that to some degree or other, but they just let in slide as enquiring minds would inherit the wrath of the ethics axe. This form of irresponsibility going into bank/fraud agreement is exactly what creates DM-bots. Now having the same overt, DM’s scheme becomes mutually rationalized and supported. Further, its “justified” as RTC/INT Management must “know” what they are doing, so lets just leave it up to “God”, and “I’m a small, powerless, incapable being who can’t confront all the evil that tough-talking stage-man DM can, nor hack 16 hour SO schedules.”
All Bullshit. Get your money back !!!
Seconded !!!
theystolemychurch:
HCO PL “2D Rules” very plainly says that people’s 2D activities are none of the Ethics Officer’s Business. It is simply *not* Ethics business, bud.
That “Knowledge Report” should never have even been written. It’s nothing more than evil-minded gossip, typical of so many so-called “KR’s” written by churchies.
So why are *you* pushing this crap?
Michael A. Hobson
And speaking of money…..an excerpt from the home page of http://www.comcast.net under the Entertainment section:
“…Cruise’s thriller “Knight and Day” fizzled at No. 3 with $20.5 million. It was the worst result for a Cruise action flick in 20 years and a sign that audiences still have not forgiven him for erratic behavior a few years back, which included his couch-jumping incident on Oprah Winfrey’s show.”
welcome to the history of WISE groups who are doing well, run on the backs of the scns who are trained and just want to help towards an on purpose 3rd dynamic group).
Hollander Consultants in Portland oregon also has a similar thing going. The owners Fred King and Larry Silver drive the lexus style cars, big houses, their kids go to delphi, etc… they are all OT 8. It sickens me because a few years back, they didn’t make their payroll for months and it was sporadic. They then both get onto OT 7 and how it was handled was they exchanged house painting to those employees who still had back pay due. They had a client who owed them money which was a painting company, so they just traded out for their payroll. If you didn’t take the paint job, you weren’t going to see your money or any exchange for your hard work. That was the deal take it or leave it!
They also have a more recent situation where they can’t make their payroll and have been sporadic with it for several months now. However they both gave big donos to the local ideal org fund, but yet they can’t make their payroll. Where is the ethics and fair exchange on this? They are OT 8 for god sake, and their logic and sense of ethics is very messed up. It really makes you question how free are you when you get to OT 7 & 8??
Here it is again, just in case it did… (please note that I always have a lovely blue & white square on the right of MY posts) ——->
>DFB: I know LRH said always attack, never defend, but I dont think that applies if you have crimes to hide.
One of a number of specific actions LRH said would be THE most effective in stopping attacks is simply “not being guilty of anything.” See HCO PL 18 Feb 1966 ATTACKS ON SCIENTOLOGY (continued).
You’d think, given that this policy is studied and demo’d as part of OSA INT ED 508R, DSA Investigations Officer Full Hat Checksheet (Section K), that it would be APPLIED.
But like so many other policies LRH put in place to enable his Church to E-X-P-A-N-D, it is blatantly ignored. Feckin’ eejits.
You can’t pick and choose policy, OSA-bots, and then ignore the rest. LRH put it all there to boom Scientology and bring freedom to the planet. Correct application brings REAL expansion – that’s LRH. (HCO PL 4 Dec 1966 Admin Know-How Series 9, EXPANSION, THEORY OF POLICY).
The USE of Scientology will spread Scientology across the globe like wildfire. So if the worldwide stats are indeed on a continual downward trend, as has been reported, then one can only assume that Scientology is simply NOT BEING USED
Hi Marcy;
Meters are available. The church would be most happy to sell you one, or sell one to someone for you.
`Ability Meters`has meters for sale which seem to be very good.
Ralph Hilton used to make meters, but I don`t know if he still does.
The tech is on the web, all the tech vols and such. I`m not familiar at the moment where they can be found, but they are definately findable.
The Level checksheets are available, whole course packs are available.
Correction lists are available.
If there is anyone in your area who is even partially trained, you could team up. If you have an org in your area, you definately have Scientologists wandering around not knowing what to do, only knowing for sure they will never walk into an org again. They tend to be quite, and can be hard to find. I can`t find any in my immediate area. They hide quite well!
If you are financially stable, you could go someplace for a few weeks and get cleaned up, sort of a summer vacation type thing. There must be places all over the LA area, and I know there are a few in Germany and Russia.
Chris Black and Jim Logan are both very active, and they will have comm lines that can help you find anyone in your area, or in some nearby area, you could twin up with.
The situation you describe is exactly what my post was designed to bring to the front burner. All this DM, IAS stuff is fun and does create a benefical effect, but if we don`t follow up with getting people into the chair then we have done nothing inspite of all the protests.
I don`t doubt there are hundreds of trained persons who really have no place to go, no real effective support, who would jump at the chance to get back into the chair, but like you, just don`t know how to get started.
Maybe someone here has an empty house that they are paying for anyway, that could be used as a safe gathering point to get this whole flow started. Within a few months, I can see dozens of trained terminals cleaned up and back out into the field cleaning up some more. With a few such houses, much can be accomplished. All we would have to do is get there and do it.
So, is there anyone here who could help finance this endeavour…
LOL Hi Sarge. No worries, I’m watching.
Dishwasher Corporation treating staff like slaves…hmmmmmm…
Doesn’t this sound like Rex Fowler’s company in Denver, where Rex Fowler who was daily auditing on OT 7 shot an employee asking for back wages?
This is an OT 7 now charged with First degree murder, and he was a regular “6 month sec check” at Flag pc.
http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?p=4172
What does DFB mean??
Are there “kick-backs” to any of these Jensen-types such as being named as part of a trust owning the ideal org buildings, etc., or do they really believe the hype of the current CofS and feel they are doing a good thing for the planet?
Haydn,
I think many more than just the people in the town where you used to work will be interested in the details. Will likely resonate throughout the scn business world.
Bravo Mitsu Too,
“A true humanatarian leaves his/her legacy in the people they help through direct or indirect contribution. Long after they are gone they are remembered through the lives they touch. They are true spirits in that sense. Their love, their messages of hope, faith and charity towards their fellow man is what will one day create a world without insanity or crime. ”
That says it all. Thank you for puttng it so succinctly
Plain Old Thetan, I worked at Executive Software/Diskeeper Corporation and I don’t think the working conditions were horrible at all. Actually it was a pretty good company. Craig was a nice man, although he wasn’t around very much, but I saw plenty of employees who had time to pursue Scientology services, in fact the company had an in-house auditing room for people on upper levels (although it may have only been open to upper management, I’m not sure). Pay was fair, although the health care benefits sucked, but bonuses were sometimes paid, you just had to CSW for them. The biggest problem was upper managers who didn’t like to hear bad news (they called it entheta) but I know people who emailed Craig when that happened, he always wanted to know what was really going on. And then you have the basic limitations of LRH policies, some of which simply don’t work in the real world. But Craig was (and is) a good person and it bothers me to see his name dragged through the mud here. He encouraged fellow Scientologists to pursue the Bridge and non-Scientologists were not harangued but rather were left alone to see for themselves if the tech worked. The business was successful and probably would have been much more so if not for the inherent limitations of the admin tech. The product is good too, Diskeeper was developed based on survey of users needs. I’m no longer with the company but I still use it.
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I know who he is! I know who he is!
Just Me
The Jensens are complicit pawns in a scam. The smoke is being blown straight up and vertical their gluteus maximus vanity self-importance button.
That is a personal opinion not a character assassination.
As for oogling … All oogling is not the same. There is the admiration of beauty, the programming to further the species, lust, and all sorts of oogling and then there is the dripping lecherous leering that is just plain rude … even in communities where there are no OTs.
Do the Jensens realize this “Humanitarian Club” is *not* Scientology that’s being sold? Did the Jensens get sufficient, unaltered, undiluted Scientology?
Scientology (nor any type of spiritual evolution) is not about prestige. Period.
Pink Floyd said it best:
Michael A. Hobson
Craig Jensen was involved big time with the Pasadena Org building donos few years back … he led “church revival” style meetings and I read his “hat writeup” at some point back then.
I see the Jensens as some churchgoers who’ve bought the front pew in church. Their almsgivings have delivered them status and privilege that all of the “little people” should strive for. Thus they have thus achieved the status of being chosen ones.
As COS pope, dm confers all of this recognition.
However, let’s not forget that this fish is rotting from the head down.
Steer clear because it’s getting stinky.
As a reminder: If you leave there will be trouble. If you stay it will be double.
Tom Gallagher
To Mike Hobson:
You said to “theystolemychurch”: “HCO PL “2D Rules” very plainly says that people’s 2D activities are none of the Ethics Officer’s Business. It is simply *not* Ethics business, bud.”
Actually, staring or ogling at a women’s breasts is sexual harrasment; it is not a “2D”. It makes the woman who’s the target of it very uncomfortable. People who do it are usually disciplined and/or fired in a corporate environment.
Bobo and John N., I am SO happy you guys posted this stuff. Please keep it up. I have a quantum e-meter as well as St. Hat and the levels packs. Everything up to Class IV If I remember right. Versions from around 97′. I can lend it out if someone who I know, or who Marty totally trusts, needs them. Just pay for postage. Go through Marty to contact me on that, thanks. I won’t be needing them at the moment, I’m making money for the Bridge and that takes up all my time.
Jensen has my 2 daughters tied up in his org. The reason they disconnected from me is that they feel they have a “sweet deal” with Jensen and don’t want to lose it. I am sure Jensen briefed my oldest daughter on what to do with me.
Tom
Thanks Cat Daddy!
I’m laughing so hard I’ve got to go pee.
Tom
Tony,
A few months ago I woke up one morning and said, “Where’s RJ?” So I emailed him (Marty gave me his email address) to find out if he was ok.
He replied back within a day or so and said he’s busy on a specific project — said he still reads here and is fine, but just has to focus on that project now.
RJ always said he was undercover, so I’m more than a little concerned he got told to lay even lower.
Hi, RJ — want to give us a signal? If not here, then please email me at my hushmail address. You know it.
Just Me
I’m currently reading Stephen Oates’ bio of Martin Luther King and this is definately recommend as wonderful and inspiring reading.
Now to this post. I’ve mentioned here before that I had a 35 year tech career as an auditor, CS and Supe and for a number of reasons I am no longer active in the C of S and do not intend to be in the future. One of the reasons (certainly not the only one) was the attitude in the church that MY money and MY decisions about it belong not to ME, but to various Sea Org personnel and I am happy to say that I did get out with 95% of my moolah still in the bank.
And of course, my feelings are that the use of the ARC Triangle, and respect for the postulates of other beings would ten times over expand Scientology more than new buildings.
But having said that, you have to admit that the Jensens and Fesbachs of the world do put their money where their mouth is. They may live in expensive homes and have tons of money, BUT they DO donate many millions of what they have. I can respect that. I have no problem with that (even if I feel they might have misguided priorities or turn a blind eye to what is going on). I don’t think these folks are very money motivated (that is, to just accumulate money for themselves to spend or just have).
My problem with the church and money has NEVER been that a number of people donate many millions to it. More power to them. My problem has been not only the unceasing pressure to donate, but the insistence that I have NO say in the matter, that every button that can be pushed, MUST be pushed to take away my self-determinism. And that button pushing is even used, thus invalidating the idea that I can be a rational being open to rational communication, and can then make a decision for myself.
So, if we want to criticize the Jensens, Fesbachs and all for going into agreement with suppressive policies, we can do that (if indeed you can provide some proof that they have done so), but let’s not invalidate their willingness to contribute as they see as the way to help.
LMAO
Is that DM dancing?
Can never go wrong with Monty Python!
Ya, and you have to ask yourself “How much does that airplane cost?” Well, I happen to know. Craig owns that plane outright and it cost him $75 million. That ain’t chump change folks.
and when he is not using it, he leases it out to other execs.
Disckeeper is a typical SoCal rip-off POS WISE company.
Tom
Dead on Lucy. These people are full of SHIT. The EP of these stupid WISE companies is a 9mm under the chin like sharpshooter Rex Fowler did.
Tom
I agree. And furthermore “ogling” someone is hardly basis for a KR. But the real issue is how in the last 30 years the church has used the 2D as an issue to crush and control beings (to say nothing of extorting money and imprisoning of SO members), so this does have something to do with the current scene. Of course, I got “in trouble” for a lot more than just “ogling.” (that’s an OVERT? Geez……..)
Speaking of strange KRs though (and this is off the subject I know), this brought to mind a report written by a staff member of my org in about 1972 I think….a “broken promise report”…ha ha…I kid you not…..and yes, I still do remember the person’s name who wrote the report….have seen her on LRH Way….she’s still getting promises broken though.
That’s too funny! The reg and finance staff of PAC in the mid 90s used to sing this song at the end of all their meetings…
Sally Field, Catherine the Great and George Carlin…now THAT would be a dinner party (and George Washington and Marilyn Monroe of course would only add to the scintillating dinner conversation and general fun).
“Sally, could you ask General Washington to pass another roll to Marilyn please……and help Hawking with those peas, Carlin, would you?”
Ex-Diskkeeper Employee,
I can only go on the 3 companies my wife and I worked for in the recent past, all owned by OTs, all of whom paid low wages or failed to pay the promised bonuses, all of which donated large sums to DM, complained like hell about it but still did it. All of whom were put under phenomenal pressure by DM’s regges. All of whom hurt their employees by thier misuse of funds and in some cases put the whole company at risk.
I am talking wages very close to minimum wage or salares for staff that carried the place on their shoulders in the low twenties or legally payable bonuses not paid.
BTW, you don’t mention any real specifics, like how much people were paid or why anyone would have to CSW for a bonus which sounds odd. Usually there is or isn’t a bonus system. One qualifies for it or one doesn’t.
Also, the 3 companies I worked for used admin tech and made money hand over fist. LRH’s Admin tech works even in the “big wide world”. What I do know about Jensen’s company indicates he overcomplicated admin tech big time and used a wrong org board.
Anyway, making money hand over fist was not the problem it was where it then went and why.
It’s good to know Jensen is so generous to DM as he’s not towards the average Scientologist. I knew a women who wanted a short-term loan from Jensen, which she could secure with some receivables, and her CSW was rejected as it wasn’t his “policy” to loan Scientologists any money. Yet, she was specifically asking for money to do OT 3. So much for helping local Scientologists get up the Bridge.
The word on the street is that Executive Software/Diskeeper pays their programmers/technical staff below market wages, give lousy health benefits, and the employees get no stock options. Jensen wants all the money for himself. I don’t understand why any of their sharp programmers stay there as they don’t pay competitively.
Haydn, I essentially agree with all you said.
I do think, though, that when a person reaches OTVIII (and really, much lower on the grade chart), one of the cogs does need to be that they take responsibility for their own actions. So, in that sense, what they do IS voluntary. All the pressure in the world can be brought against an OTVIII, but what they do needs to be considered voluntary.
After one particularly brutal/upsetting ethics cycle a few years ago, I did take a look at the fact that there was one being who had agreed to the cycle by sitting there and continuting to participate in it……ME.
Well, there was one employer who certainly didn’t Q and A with an employee request for more money.
“Coming home from the school today
Crying all along the way
Ain’t no way for a boy to be
Begging ma to shave me please
You little punks think you own this town
Well someday someone’s gonna bring you down
Life ain’t pretty for a dog faced boy
You take back what you said now
That’s the last time i cry
You don’t know what it is to be a friend now
’til i walk beside you on the street now
Ma won’t shave me
Jesus can’t save me
Dog faced boy
Life ain’t pretty for a dog faced boy
Going back to the school tomorrow
Hang my hairy head in sorrow
Ain’t no way for a boy to be
Ain’t no way to set me free now
Ma won’t shave me
Jesus can’t save me
Dog faced boy”
Mark Oliver Everett
Just to clarify- I’m not Mark Oliver Everett. Thats just who wrote those lyrics.
As someone who used to spend a lot of time in New Orleans, I don’t understand all the dissing of beans and rice as a meal. Yeah, I guess it can be considered “peasant food” in most places if you consider rich folks eating steak. But is it RED beans, BLACK beans? Cause you know, with the correct spices (and a touch of sausage maybe or chicken), you got yourselves some real good eatin’…just ask some Louisiana folk…or Cuban folk. Hey, I’m just in a light mood today…..I know this is a serious subject folks, and sometimes I do feel we should eat the rich.
All kidding aside, besides the accumulation of billions of bucks (and don’t kid yourselves, this is one of the main ways Miscavige keeps his hold on the church), donating money has become the substitute for many church members to actually becoming auditors and joining staff (though I also know many highly trained auditors who have contributed money too).
>Sound familiar?
Not to me, and I actually worked for Executive Software. How many of you did?
Tony, I think you are a little too quick to dismiss the ogling. I know a couple who went out to dinner with the Jensens, and both the guy and his wife were appalled at Craig’s blatant leering at the waitress’ breasts. Mostly they were embarrassed for Sally, who was pretending not to notice her husband’s rude and out-PR behavior.
I happen to admire an ample example of cleavage as much as as the next guy, but any sentient being in our culture should be aware that every woman with an ounce of self-respect and intelligence finds it incredibly demeaning when they are valued first and foremost for their collection of body parts. And for those of you who got your sensitivity training from Howard Stern, here’s a news flash: women too are spiritual beings, even the ones who find themselves in big-breasted bodies.
You’d think if anyone has moved higher than the “bodies are the most important thing” game, it would be an OT VIII, wouldn’t you? So it’s not an irrelevant detail when this man, who’s held up to us as the most OT of OTs, either can’t control his base animal instincts or else he is unaware and/or completely contemptuous of those around him, including his spouse. My money is on the ‘contempt’ angle.
Many years ago, I was studying in qual at Int, and I overheard an M9 being done, by 2 missionaires who were in briefing to go on a mission to start WISE. This was maybe 1980 or so. I think Sue Mithoff and Laurel (something) were the missionaires.
I remember hearing, from the out-loud reading during their M9,what the purpose of the new WISE entity was: LRH wanted to “get the criminals out” of many scientologist run companies, as he felt these companies were largely a deleterious influence on their various nearby orgs.
From some of the comments above, it seems like the IAS and other fundraising activities are impinging on Diskeeper towards being less in-exchange with their own staffs, and WISE is not stopping this, at a minimum.
Hardly LRH’s original purpose.
I am sure DM is jumping on his couch about this! The spot light is on Tom not him and his abusive management style this week in the press. As much as Tom thinks Dave is his best friend, don’t turn you back for a second tom!
Great inside info!
Thank you War and Peace 🙂
ΘTater
(It’s good to see my old Boss here.) 😉
As someone pointed out down thread, ogling is disrespectful to half the human race. I’d have written a KR if it were more than momentary, especially under the circumstances mentioned.
It truly is an “old boys club” if making half the world’s population uncomfortable, and laughing when you’re called on it, is acceptable behavior
It’s all very well and good to rationalize out TRs, but it’s not very OT. At least go exterior to ogle. 😉
There was 100 or so in the “superpower training lineup” in April 04′ when I was in Flag staff meetings, maybe 150, memory fades. They were all supposed to be eventually getting the OT levels, and a lot of training before they touch a superpower PC. Recruitment for more trainees was so intense this is half of what Debbie Cook would talk about at staff meetings. Over six years ago, it was INTENSE.
DM has them thinking LRH wrote to him about creating a safe auditing environment on dynamics 4-8, and a mountain of other prereq’s before this can be released, probably. What happened to this corps of people? Are they into their sixth year of training and if so then what kind of rundown is this anyways? Who knows. Certainly not Dan Koon or Sinar who were right there when it was developed.
The problem for DM, and it is an insurmountable one, is what is he going to do when Superpower is released, and OT 8 part 2 is released? Scientologists wait patiently for these releases but they won’t cut him slack after that, so he delays and delays. It’s about him personally and maintaining power.
Those Scientologists don’t have the understanding that only LRH tech will bring the Class V sector stats up, forget about the missions, they’re trending below non-e into confusion or something except maybe in China.
They believe they can possibly glow it right, over the top of gross auditing errors and the same equivalent of gross admin errors, with enthusiasm and working harder than ever. It hasn’t worked for 20 years, or the last 8 years specifically.
And the ideal orgs are continually picked up by his directed intense SO mission efforts (he’ll use missions when HIS ass is on the line), only to again fall down. He doesn’t have enough LRH in these orgs to stage a broad scale lift of the gross div stats out of non-e. Because DM’s tech doesn’t allow enough initiative to disregard his strange programs, the orgs never get on their own two feet. FP is tied up with event halls bought to promote DM. He can only lift one for a few months to cement his position (showing it at events), then go back to the same old crap, scaring public away with external influence regging etc. So once these releases (which he’s being forced by us to release this year due to the pressure, most likely) are out, what then? There will only be more of slowly, patiently, and inexorably painting him into a corner of real accountability, with some affluence spurts along the way in terms of our outreach, while the normal trend of open and unafraid criticism inches ever closer towards affluence. Just keep telling people there were 500-public size missions 30 years ago, and show them the graphs on friendsoflrh.org showing 100 times more auditors made pre-dm compared to now.
That should cut through the thickest doublethink that it’s the product of an SP.
Ask them, were we in a viable trajectory to Clear at least a large percentage of earth in the 1980’s? The answer is yes. Take out the endless promises and what do you have to objectively say that’s the case right now? Lots of Way to Happiness distributed?
Some of these stats, as featured in Scientology News issues # 33 through 40, include:
“People helped”
“Hours on OT projects”
“Ideal Org Fundraising”
“Volunteer hours in building orgs”
“Population of cities with new groups”
“Number of citizens aware of Human Rights”
“Shopping Malls playing our Human Rights PSAs”
“Number of dirt particles removed during film restoration”
“Number of miles of distraction-free voyages”
“Number of terrabytes of processing memory”
“Inches of press”
“Square feet of book cover cloth”
“Feet of lamination”
“Orgs have only 2 major final valuable products. One is well-trained auditors. The other is satisfied pcs.
…Tech and Admin policy exist only to assist making these two products IN VOLUME.”
LRH ED 131 INT
Life Repair Block
8 December 1970
(OEC Vol. 4, p. 145)
“The product of an org is well-taught students and thoroughly audited pcs.”
HCO P/L 17 June 1970RB
KSW Series 5R, Technical Degrades
(OEC Vol. 0, p. 14)
“Clearing is now in the reach of every Scientologist.
Excellent auditor training is now in the reach of every Academy.
And these are the only things in the long run that will count.”
HCO P/L 26 May 1961, Issue II
KSW Series 2, Quality Counts
(OEC Vol. 0, p. 16)
“And these are the only things in the long run that will count.”
“And these are the only things in the long run that will count.”
from friendsoflrh.org
See how simple LRH makes things? All this high flying bullshit and LRH simplifies it with some sanity interjected.
I am reminded of an old maxim: ” the road to perdition is paved with good intentions.” Our Church and our civilization stand at the brink because people refuse to look at actual statistics and prefer to listen to soothing clap-trap on how good they are for doing the “right thing”. “Life” does not offer up absolution to those who contribute to destructive acts because they were well intentioned. An OT who refuses to monitor the statistic of his intended cause is guaranteed to be operating in the wrong condition and will eventually succumb, but not before doing a great deal of damage. It all boils down to basic KRC. Missing or false data resulting in irresponsibility and bad control. “I did not realize that….” will not stay natures brutal retribution for its broken laws. Scientologists are good people who are dedicated to the purpose of helping others and I cannot help but feel great sadness that they will pay such a high price for thier miguided and reckless devotion to the Squirrel Church of Miscavology.
Aeolus,
You gotta be kidding me, women are spiritual beings??
But seriously folks, KR’s for oggling is thought police as another reader has already stated. I’m not saying it’s ok , but is the church supposed to whack his peepee??
Thanks Just Me!!
I don’t know if I can not have their must have because my havingness can’t have a can’t have!
So….. ummm… errrr…. 🙂 — Hey! I can just be me (I think I can have that).
ΘTater
Ex-Diskeeper Employee ,
I worked for other similar companies and I know what I know. See above.
Problem is, you say you worked for Diskeeper but you don’t come through with any specficis or details, including why you no longer work there. A number of witnesses on this blog say the pay was poor and below market average which seems to indicate Diskeeper followed the pattern of other Scn companies under the DM cosh.
RE: Hobson’s statement.
Agreed. I am not a fan on Jensen but this is a attack on alleged behavior on the 2d to make his contribution to DM’s regime look bad. It’s the same logical fallacies the CofM use.
Tom,
Sounds like Bob is livin’ la vida loca! I wish I could go for a ride in Craig’s jet. 😦
(NO WAY ON EARTH WOULD I FLY ON A PLANE THAT DM FARTED IN!!!)
ΘTater (scuz me for just pootin) :}
A public in CW told me a couple months ago that Ron Pollack, Matt & Joe Feshback and Ben ? (name escapes me now) have all filed bankruptcy. Does anyone have any data about that?
Bob and Trish Duggan are really nice people who were “recovered” in 2006, by Charmaine D, in order to make those big donations. Up until that point, there was little done for more than 10 years to actually help them. The seduction of the Duggans was really something to behold. It’s sick.
It was only about the money, never about the beings. And it was Charmaine’s personal line to them that was used to hook them in again. I like Charmaine, but that was badly done. And, now that I think of it, it may be time coincident with the “Reg Boot Camp” run at the FSO, which included all regges on the base, except the FSO Dept 6 regges, including IAS and SuperPower regges. Someone else might have more data about that.
Eileen
“Possibly 200 million has been donated toward Super Power? That’s not such a big building that it couldn’t have been built with all of its bells and whistles for fifty or sixty million tops IMHO.”
DM could have delivered Superpower for FREE 20 years ago, to all Scientologists in the world, on airforce one serving caviar between sessions, and still built that building, with that kind of money.
The CO$ is operating on a highschool mentality. Complete with “mean girls and boys” and who’s “in” and who’s “out.”
Marcy,
You are SOOOO right!! And DerMsavage is the biggest NOSE-PICKER of the all.
There. I said it. They’re being doo-doo heads.
🙂 ΘTater
P.S. —- “I remember the days when we would all be applauded for each step we made up the bridge. And, how proud we were to help others take their next steps up the bridge.”
I remember too. I want those days again!
“People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered; Forgive them anyway.
If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives; Be kind anyway.
If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies; Succeed anyway. If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you; Be honest and frank anyway.
What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight; Build anyway.
If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous; Be happy anyway.
The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow; Do good anyway.
Give the world the best you have and it may just never be enough;
Give the world the best you have anyway. You see, in the final analysis, it’s all between you and God; It was never between you and them anyway.”
– Mother Theresa
One of my favorite quotes of that wonderful and very special being.
Eileen
My daughter is the CEO of the place – can I get an amen?
Amen brother!
I saw it … it had some good action scenes, but overall was unrealistic and very average.
Very, Very Well Said!
ΘTater
Thanks Dog Faced Boy!!
I’ll shave you if you really need it…
Hi Virgil,
I’m sorry your daughters are treating you like that. Look forward to seeing you and you lady at the party.
ARC,
Tony
I tink maybes wes lookin at da same coin, jus differen sides.
Me I am trying my best to put some boots on. I think most here are. Some are doing a damn fine job of it, like you. So thank you.
You win my nickel.
Bruce Pratt
Read…”when you die, leave your money to DM”
Amen.
Bruce Pratt
RJ — you have at least one other admirer here.
I miss your comments too.
Bruce Pratt
Brilliant post Brad!
Please say hi to Natalie for me!
Afterall, she used to be one of our own over here in the NW.
RJ,
Where are you? Say hi, would ya? I appreciate your comm very very much!
ARC,
IO
Yes, but you must see that the Jensens are his pawns. He created that particular bond and support system purposefully. I watched when he first started to do that with Debbie Cook in 1993. I had some thoughts at the time, but they were all well explained away. Over the years, I’m sure he only got better at it.
The thing is, that in the end when he considers that he must, he will throw anyone under the bus. That may take longer with the Jensens because they are public and feed the kitty, and not S.O., but it is a given that they are wooed only as long as they behave and he is not endangered, to his way of ‘thinking”.
They are the smoke screen he hides behind.
Eileen
hmmm…..
did somebody just open wide the door?
smells like fresh air….
🙂
WH— wasn’t that Randy Eaton and Brilliant Films?
same with Mr Webb
haven’t heard from him in a long time
CD
rotflmao….that is toooo funny! Thanks.
Michael,
Pink Floyd…my fav and this is one of their best, I agree.
Eileen
Really informative submission, Boyd H, thank you! And pretty funny about the Air Force One and caviar too!
Paine, were any of the 3 companies you or your wife worked for Executive Software or Diskeeper? If not, I’m not sure how your experience applies to Jensen’s companies.
As for specifics, I can’t tell you the salaries of all employees of the company because I don’t know. I can tell you that my pay was competitive with industry standards, and friends who discussed their salaries with me mostly felt they were fairly paid. I left of my own accord because something better came along and I had grown weary of the Admin-tech-related bullshit, although I will say that the bullshit factor was lower than other companies I have worked for. And I can assure you that we were encouraged to CSW for a bonus where one was appropriate. Why I don’t know, but that’s how they ran things. Same for raises. It was awkward, and raises were not automatic, but if the evidence and GI were on your side you got it. As for where the money went and why, that is Craig’s problem. My money went to rent, food, women and wine. I do know that a lot of our well-paid employees talked about spending a lot of their money on Scientology services. A waste if you ask me, but it was their money, their choice.
If the people you talked to were badly paid, I’m guessing they did some of the lower-paying jobs. I was a professional and I always feel like I was treated and paid as such.
Virgil, your daughter is Lisa Terrenzi?
What I see from this promo piece, apart from what’s been said here by everybody, is ONE thing about the C of M:
For the first time they use the pictures and images of Gandhi, Martin Luther King and such great people.
How come?
The answer is that Marty has been doing that here, putting them out as examples of great people.
Obviously DM got horrified by all the literature produced here about Martin Luther King and Marty’s and the Independent’s positioning as true and honest spiritual researchers, that he now steals that positioning to promote his own agenda. Donations and Money.
Of course he did it in such a stupid way as described.
But the main thing is that DM is just copying/stealing what Marty and other Independents have been writing here about such people to raise the awareness of thetans here as to that there have been many heroes in this world.
This is my conclusion and it’s just another PR trick by DM to position the church and donations next to true humanitarians and at the same time show to Scientologists that the church “acknowledges” such great persons and presents a democratic and free minded image, which of course is not true.
In my 10 years in the Sea Org I have never heard any mentions of those people as examples. Now that Marty has been putting out a new image for Scientologists refering to many great heroes of the world, not necessarily having to do with Scientology, here comes DM stealing the idea and presenting himself and his money/robot making church as liberal, democratic, humanitarian etc.
He/they are far away from that and it’s another PR trick and a cheap and ugly one. To present those Jensens’ next to Gandhi and Martin Luther King and all those other great people.
One, just one person would fit there in that team. LRH. Why did you DM not put him there all this time. As a humanitarian next to those people?
Well, again, the machine needs money, money, money. Now you inherited, you figure out how to feed the monster. Because you are MisManage as Helmut says. You don’t know how to manage. Just cut the crap and put LRH there if you can because I think we are going to do this. With our actions from now on.
Steve, sad to say there’s no sharp programmers left. The product development all occurs in Inja.
There’s no tech support in the Burbank office any more. There’s no packaging or software distribution.
There’s nuttin.
Ex-Diskeeper Employee: If you can tell that story with a straight face, you weren’t a software engineer, then. You probably weren’t there very long, either. The software engineers stalled on the Bridge the minute they signed on. And they weren’t fairly paid. You weren’t there for the three years NO bonuses were paid either. If you saw “plenty” of Diskeeper employees doing Church services, it’s because you weren’t there at midnight on a Saturday night seeing the engineers NOT moving up the Bridge. The engineers were kept in a hermetically sealed section separate from the “real” employees for a reason. It was so the rest of the employees couldn’t see the inhuman and inumane conditions under which the engineers were slave-driven. The engineers called every day a “Death March” for a reason. You ended up with very distorted ideas; kind of like the ideas I hear from people who insist on defending DM. You bought the PR.
Well, I have three comments about that:
1) The mention of the KR is really a derail of the main point of the blog entry. So to that extent, it is off-point and irrelevant. Someone can be a humanitarian and have an issue like ogling, certainly.
But an OT VIII not having had it addressed along the way really seems like an outpoint.
2) You’re absolutely right about it making women uncomfortable. Obviously, there’s contexts in which we don’t mind, but they’re generally not in public and only when ogled by people we actually choose to be ogled by.
3) You’re also absolutely right about it being sexual harassment, which makes me wonder if Jensen or his firm have been sued for same because of his (alleged) habit.
About the bankruptcies.
While they are public record, I couldn’t find any with those names (even correcting the spelling of Feshbach). I searched the courts themselves.
It’s possible the bankruptcy was business rather than personal, though.
I know of only two people who were ever CEO of RealWorld. One is dead so you must be the other, am I right? If so, it’s great to see you here!
mecca, often, any place that many people visit or want to visit.[Paris is a mecca for tourists] Websters new world dictionary. Why the super power building is now the Mecca, IDK, mu? misrepresentation? but it is being called that
Bottom line, they both listened to LRH tape on what OT VIII handles, both did the level and DIDN’T get that stated ep. They are squirrels for pushing out tech on other public.
Oh and this; “Scientology is not a luxury”. REALLY? I guess that is why the pricing is out of reach for >90% of the planet.
“Whack his peepee?” Tony, this is not about the man’s body parts any more than it is about the woman’s body parts. It’s about a man reducing a woman to a MEST object. That IS suppressive, and coming from an OT VIII who seems to do this habitually, the KR was entirely appropriate.
Anyone with case on ogling, DO NOT COME TO SWEDEN. REPEAT, STAY AWAY.
CD,
Nothing unusual in that. Same as
“Catch a wake up!”
The “3 … 2 … 1” is just from dramatic effect
I call BS on the Mandela bit.
I’m a white middle-aged male (the target) and I live right here in the very country Mandela created.
Nobody is running around killing me or any other the other million or so people like me.
But then again, you’re not really Jack, are you?
Hi Aeolus,
Read HCOPL Second Dynamic Rules, if you want to duplicate my views on this.
Plain, as far as I know only a few of the engineers were Scientologists, and yes, I know they worked them hard, especially when they were late on software targets, which by the way were not always realistic. And I spent my own share of late nights, sometimes in pursuit of unrealistic targets, but that happens in any companies where the employees are salaried.
I have a feeling I know the engineer you might have talked to, was he a bit overweight, a non-smoker, usually wore t-shirts and had glasses, first name began with J? And he left around 2003 or 2004 because he felt the tech was being misapplied? If you feel the need to check my story, you can verify with him (or any engineer) that GQ was in his section along with the husbands of the head of Automation and the CJ PersComm (I believe all three are still there). You can verify that there was a big Turkish guy (G) who was married to the tall blonde in PR (C). You can verify that RK was Ethics Off for a while, O was Hats Off and her daughter K was in Div 6. You can also tell him software engineering got even worse after he left because he was the brains of the operation. I’m sure those details will verify my employment.
So you have a guy who left very dissatisfied and another guy who left after having a good experience. It sounds like you’d rather take the word of the guy who left very dissatisfied because it fits what you want to believe. I guess this is what they mean by “what’s true for you is true.”
It’s become an Ideal Corp?
Bruce Pratt
Correction about my description of J, he used to wear glasses but the got surgery so he doesn’t anymore. (Isn’t Dianetics supposed to handle bad eyesight?)
That’s not really a good thing, is it Joe?
And I doubt that Tom Ciancio’s widow and children would find it very amusing either.
When OTVI Rex Fowler goes on trial later this year, it will be a major embarrassment for the CoS and has the potential to be a complete disaster if, for instance, he pleads insanity and names his church as the cause.
I spoke to my Diskeeper source and he said his description of what occurred with him was true and might not have happened to the employees outside the hermetically sealed section. He was pleased that you noticed that things went downhill after J left because he was the brains of the operation. He wonders if Craig noticed.
Ex-Diskeeper Employee: My Diskeeper source also told me that J started AND finished the SHSBC Certainty Course withing 4 months of quitting Executive Software. Working at Executive Software kept J from moving on the Bridge for about 10 years.
My Diskeeper source also reminded me
3. A SUPPRESSIVE WILL TRY TO GET RID OF AN ORG.
Good staff members are a prime target for SPs. In one org where an SP got a foothold, 60% of the staff was gotten rid of and the org almost crashed.
They do it by making people too dissatisfied to produce and so make it impossible for the org to earn.
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4. AN SP WILL SEEK TO UPSET AND GET RID OF THE BEST STAFF MEMBERS.
— HCO PL 7 Aug 65 I SUPPRESSIVE PERSONS, MAIN CHARACTERISTICS OF
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My Diskeeper source pointed out to me that J was the one holding the tech div together and when J left there was no opinion leader…he said that J was targeted BECAUSE he was the opinion leader. He said J made the horrible mistake of getting himself on radio tech talk shows to get interviewed about Diskeeper. This was an action that Marketing was discouraged from doing, as it made J visible as an individual. He said AS had been ‘installed’ as an OL, but wasn’t respected by anyone in the tech div (only CJ). Even AS quit not long after J quit.
My Diskeeper source said that you were right about only a few programmers being Scn. But he still insists that those stalled on the Bridge immediately when they joined Executive Software.
You still haven’t explained why you’re an Ex-Diskeeper employee.
“You still haven’t explained why you’re an Ex-Diskeeper employee.”
Flunk! Yes I have, aren’t your reading?
From my 6/28 5:43 am reply, “I left of my own accord because something better came along and I had grown weary of the Admin-tech-related bullshit”
As far as I know J left on his own and was not fired. But I might be wrong (you might want to add that phrase to your vocabulary, Paine), I didn’t know him well and can’t cite the circumstances.
The company continued to develop good products although the timelines became very short. I wasn’t in the tech division but I got the feeling that CJ was hands off and that the ED and upper management was setting the pace. I believe that would have been Virgil’s daughter, although he hasn’t answered. I don’t want to say anything rude about someone’s little girl in front of them, but I always thought that whatever Craig was paying her it was too much. Don’t know if your friend left during the LT era but that was when everything was hurry-up-and-develop. Someone decided that a new version every year was a successful action for us and Microsoft so that’s what we had to do, even though it was almost impossible to improve a product that worked so darn well and the tech guys had to struggle to find wanted and needed improvements. It became a case of make the surveys fit the answer you want, rather than survey for answers, a problem that was endemic in the company. Again, I blame day-to-day management and not CJ who was off working on other products and rarely came to the office.
Anyway we can argue until the cows come home but I was there and while the company had its share of problems, like any company, I don’t think CJ was a tyrant. But I think that’s your motivation, to paint him as a tyrant. You have that Scientology group mentality that says that if CJ is a member of DM’s group, and DM is evil, then CJ must be evil, and like Diskeeper with their surveys, you are trying to make the data fit your desired result rather than consider that your desired result may be wrong. I can’t argue with you because you’ve already made up your mind.
I knew CJ a little bit, met him personally and talked with him a few times, read his policies, etc. You didn’t. I thought he was a good guy that put a good org in place that took good care of me. You don’t. That’s fine, but please cut the make-wrong, as I was there and know what I’m talking about.
By the way, FWIW I think that comparing CJ to some truly great men just because he donated a lot of money to Scientology is bullshit and in insult to the memory of those great men, and the Church ought to be ashamed. But I guess if you believe that LRH is the only hope for mankind, and if you believe that the Church is the keeper of LRH tech, then I guess that makes CJ a humanitarian. I believe neither, but Craig can do what he wants with his money. Although last I checked his BMW M5 is getting a little old, and that new Alpina B7 looks pretty good, so he might want to save some of his money.
oops, I said Paine, I meant Plain! Flunk for me. But at least they rhyme.
Hi Darla, Get your confront of evil up. It isn’t really useful to judge by someones appearance. “Craig and Sally are decent people who want to see Scn succeed.” Building church monuments isn’t building scientology. That’s Dimwitts status plan and solution to orgs not selling and delivering services. “ Not is” the out tech and his own out ethics, just promo the org to get dono’s.
Regarding Craig Jensen as a great humanitarian. I think we might have missed something here. This fellow did not get where he is and rich by being a fool, did he? Do you think he would really pay millions for status? This fellow thinks about his bottom line.
Definitely there’s a string to pull. It’s probably much more gruesome than just status. What about blackmail? Hmmm. Yes, didn’t I read somewhere that Dimwitts likes to use confessionals and sec checks to hold over those he wants to control? Hmmm. Oh I get it he has to have a reason to donate to, he can’t just pay the blackmailer. Hmmm. Oh this is great. Then he can write off the blackmail and get some status too. Oh goody, goody. Dimwitts is making him pay for his crime? Well maybe that’s not it. Maybe he just needs to give up some cash, sort of propitiation for the staff that he doesn’t pay to well. Oh, that’s another string to pull about this great humanitarian for some other time.
Just a side comment on “Knight and Day”. I enjoyed it. And sorry, but I still love TC the actor. Can’t help myself.
Ex-Diskeeper employee:
I don’t know what you’re doing on this board if you’re not willing to occasionally assume the viewpoint: “Just because it didn’t happen to me, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.”
“The essence of good management is CARING what goes on.”
— HCO PL 10 November 66.
I can’t speak to CJ’s motives. But my Diskeeper source says that the results were plain.
Let’s go down the list. My Diskeeper source says that Craig Jensen:
• hired or promoted management-level people that knew nothing about computers and the process of producing and testing software, even though the EXCHANGEABLE VALUABLE FINAL PRODUCT of the company was software
• hired management-level people who were largely ex-Sea Org personnel but who couldn’t read or follow company policy or LRH policy
• created a company that was a software-sales company, not a software development company, so the emphasis and focus was on money, not on solid software (my Diskeeper source reminded me to point out how this parallels DM’s Church of “getting money but not moving people up the Bridge”)
• hired or promoted people (like LM) that had the objective of oppressing and suppressing the tech staff
• didn’t observe that there were executives that were making life so difficult for software developers that the only way out was for them to quit
• allowed the establishment a working environment which treated undesired employees oppressively and with hostility so that they would quit, relieving the company of the requirement of covering their unemployment insurance (IEJ & J for instance)
• hired or promoted management-level people that made the best software engineers quit (that includes making a hostile environment for J, BK, JK, JO, ML…all Scn)
• allowed a production schedule that was designed to pump out products to get yearly awards from DEC, and that schedule approach turned untenable in a Microsoft environment and wouldn’t be reevaluated
• moved himself off the management lines so he couldn’t observe the problems
• surrounded himself with yes-men (like AS and JK and LT) who couldn’t observe or wouldn’t tell him the truth
• surrounded himself with management-level people who were willing to fabricate statistics in order to guarantee their year-end bonuses (PB)
• allowed the false datum to creep into the management of the company that “the more releases we have, the more money we make”, which forced software product development timelines to be shortened to virtually nothing
• allowed the products to be quickied in order to meet unrealistic schedules
• allowed the products to be released with known bugs somehow assuring himself that the known bugs “wouldn’t affect brisk sales” (yet the bugs did end up affecting brisk sales)
• allowed the creation of a technical support environment that depended on lying to customers and blaming the customer for problems encountered
• failed to ensure that an in-house software defect system was implemented so that customer problems and their impact could be tracked
• allowed his own written software development policies to be dropped out in order to shorten delivery schedules
• expected field tests of software (which was targeted to millions of people) to be successfully accomplished in two weeks with one hundred test participants and NO ERRORS DISCOVERED
• denied his staff recompense in order to make his own CofS donation pledges
These are the accusations. If this stuff happened, any or all of it, then CJ isn’t being accused of being a tyrant. He’s only being accused of NOT CARING WHAT GOES ON.
Marta, thanks – yeah, I learned it with Jeff Hawkins and he wrote a brilliant article on “The Enablers”. Good read!
>I don’t know what you’re doing on this board
I’m trying to share the truth, but you don’t seem to really want the truth, so good luck to you!
Thank you. I made the point as it was done in front of his wife.
I personally admire beauty in others. This was beyond that and rude.
I got razed pretty good here with the “thought police” comment and others. I do not mind that. I guess my viewpoint is more along applying the Manners PL and I do expect better behavior from people high up on the Bridge.
That’s right Old School. It is out of reach for most. In fact, the pricing of auditing in org’s is waaaay off LRH policy. I can also tell you that 97% of Flag public (per survey) are in DEBT for their bridges. That leaves only 3% who paid without having to borrow. It’s INSANE.
LRH always had more respect for people who were hard working contributors. NOT people who just donated money. Which brings up a point of BPC for me. Back when the illegal IAS was formed, public at Flag who were “patrons” got faster and better service. In fact I was bumped several times on the NOT’s lineup for sessions because the HGC kept putting a Patron in front of me and others. So I wrote it up to ED Int at the time and it got handled quickly. He did not stand for the bullshit arbitrary. And of course being a good and sensible man, DM later axed him. Not because of my situation, but simply because DM knew that Guillome (can never get the spelling right) was a good man overall.