More on BBC Panorama

61 responses to “More on BBC Panorama

  1. John, flunk on TR-O Bullbait. That’s all it was was a big bullbait.

  2. Apparently this ia going to be an hour!

    My UK friends will record it for me, boy how I would love to be there and see this thought.

    Great great great !

  3. Lord Of The Undead

    What the …. I haven’t had the time to reach for a drink of “Coffee” and you are out with something else.

    The Count

  4. Impartial English Girl

    Yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes!!! I can’t wait for this!. I’ve copied the link to all rational folk I can think of who would be interested in what this documentary has to say.

  5. Awesome! I can’t wait! Thanks for the link…I’ll be watching it live online hopefully.

  6. In my mind, Mike and Marty will always be top Scientology terminals. Frankly, that gold braid from the events looked a little silly. If little Davey is reading this, please note: stupid gold braid and ribbons doesn’t impress me or anyone else with the capacity for independent thought.

  7. And yesterday’s Panorama was on from 20:30 – 21:00 after Eastenders (Kat and Alfie are back!).

    But next week, it’s 21:00 – 22:00 on Tuesday night.

    What does this mean? Are all Panorama programs 30 minutes in the new BBC schedule? Or is this a special edition? Am I asking too many questions? Is Elvis still alive?

  8. Was it a flunk though?

    John Sweeny’s ‘explosion’ got huge publicity for the programme, making it one of the most popular and talked about Panorama broadcasts in years.

    The effects of that programme reverberated around the world and I’ve got a feeling that the upcoming one will be even bigger. To have at least two such high-ranking (ex) CoS executives appearing so publicly and spilling the beans will be a major blow for the cult. And whatever they try to do to prevent it, I am certain current members of the CoS will see it and wake up.

    If there is one thing DM and his minions fear, it’s the truth coming out and their lies being laid bare.


  9. Lord Of The Undead

    Rational folk. That excludes me then. Could you tell me please Impartial English Girl. I apologize for the partiality but whilst I am in your country. May I ask. Are you already biten?


  10. I am so thankful that those in the BBC had the courage to produce this video. It is important in any free society to hear and see both sides of something. The reactions of the Scientology individuals that I have seen so far are very telling. The current leader of the Church of Scientology needs to be exposed as he is ruining a lot of lives.

  11. martyrathbun09

    Can only answer the last. Yes, I just had lunch with him over tacos.

  12. Dude,

    I have not the foggiest idea what you might be on about. Your posts tend to be non-sequiter in the extreme so please just say whatever it is you want to say and leave out the references to fangs and whatnot.

    You can be duplicated but you cannot be understood.

  13. Tacos? Did somebody mention tacos?

    This oughtta be a great show.

    I sincerely hope that many fence-sitters partake in watching.

    Thanks to Mr. Rinder and any others who put their time and energy into assisting with this show!


  14. Come over for a Panorama party! I’ll record it, but you can be certain it will be on YT within hours, if not minutes afterwards.

    Yes, it is a full uninterrupted hour (no Adverts). The regular Panorama on something else is on Monday as usual, the half-hour show . This one is a “Special”. Clearly Mr Rinder is going to be star of the show (along with my meter of course).

  15. Marty, My brother in laws cousins best friend saw him pumpin gas in Kalamazoo.

  16. I am so looking forward to this broadcast.

  17. Sometime ago someone stated on this blog that the BBC might be controlled to some degree by the Illuminati.

    For those who know a tiny bit about their modus operandi it will be obvious that they did all they could to achieve widespread attention of Mr. Sweeney’s TV report. I’m really impressed. Boy they must be really pissed off at Co$.

  18. Well done, Marty and Mike! Giving a meter demo to John Sweeney – how did he like it?

  19. That can’t be right! I saw him myself, just a few days ago, in London, playing a harmonica outside the Town Hall. I swear it was him! He hasn’t aged a bit!

  20. I guess we’ll see come next Tuesday.

  21. He gets around

  22. Great credit must be given to the BBC for going full-on with this report. They are going through a lot of difficulty justifying their UK government funding since their change in leadership, and opening themselves up to anything that remotely might bring criticism is ballsy right now.

  23. Hey, you’ll be amazed at the results. Gets more case gain in twenty minutes that Miscavige has in 30 years.

  24. You are damn right. And guess who has been attempting exploit the living hell out of that of late, through their far-far-right friends-at-a-hefty cost?

  25. Fellow Traveller

    Uhhhh, Elvis? 🙂

    It sure ain’t Shelly Miscavige nor Heber!

    Bruce Pratt

  26. Strictly speaking it’s not government funded, the licence fee is paid by TV owners, which is not necessarily same as taxpayers. The criticism has mainly been levelled at BBC bosses taking supposed exhorbitant salaries, and there has been pressure to reduce the fee. A compromise seems to have been reached where it will be frozen for some years. The current Con-Lib govt is more free-market than the last 13 years of Blair-Brown and takes a somewhat dimmer view of BBC funding.

    However your main point is well taken – the BBC must take HUGE credit for pushing on with this show in the face of the forces of darkness!

  27. Redneck, I’ve missed you. You’re always in the know!

  28. LOTU
    I think you have clearly demonstrated the answer to your own question.

  29. one of those who see

    Here we go! Will watch for it on You Tube. And there you are, Marty with John Sweeney and an E Meter. Just love this. Hugs to you and Mike!

  30. Freedom Fighter

    —> At the top of the page that Marty links to in this post, there’s a link to watch the show live online and it looks like that may be the location to view the show after it airs. <—

  31. OMG! You with John Sweeney on the meter… with Mike looking on… a real live demonstration of standard Scientology being ARCfully applied! For the whole world of ‘Scientologists’ to see! What do you think this one datum of comparable magnitude will do to the circuits of those who have suffered from a shoddy substitute of the real thing for so many years? CAPOW!!!!!

    DM you poor thing, which do you need the most right now?
    A case of fine Scotch Whiskey or some grounding copper wires?

  32. Freedom Fighter

    Drat! It looks like you may need some sort of license to do so. I wonder if that’s a U.K. only thing . . .

  33. Perhaps Priscilla and/or Lisa Marie would like to chime in? You’re comments can lend clarification.


  34. True about the salaries, but there has also been criticism that the BBC has not been publicly impartial and favors left-leaning programming. So I’m completely not shocked that Marty has indicated the church is presumably trying to get Conservative support against the programme. Although having seen a few things that the Daily Mail has posted about the CoS and Travolta in the past, it might not be so easy for them to get any counter-press out of it. Most anti-BBC stuff comes straight from the Mail.

  35. Awwww, thanks! Nice to be missed. I’ve been lurking. I can talk media all day, but I’m listening and learning on tech.

  36. You have to have a UK IP address to use BBC iPlayer, which will have the live programme and on-demand afterward. The BBC channel on YouTube is usually region-specific also. But it’ll probably be uploaded elsewhere by a zillion people as soon as it airs.

  37. I am, of course, interested to see how it turns out.

    I wonder what the thrust will be: “Schism in the COS!” “Crazy Church Leader!” “Defectors Tell All!” …or what. I will say I’ve been disappointed in the past (a particular episode of some investigative reporting show – can’t remember the exact name – on A&E stands out in my memory as one of the most gutless “expose” of the COS ever).

    On the other hand, any exposure is better than none.

    Personally, I think the problem is that the issues and background needed are so complex that fitting them into a 60 minute show is very difficult. Ten 60 minute episodes, sure. (Look at the print analogy, The Truth Rundown, for example).

    At the end of the day, the topic – though certainly big enough to everyone here – probably isn’t big enough to justify that kind of TV attention.

  38. Don’t have a cow!! Bart Simpson voice Nancy Cartwright named in lawsuit … claims construction company diverted funds to …. one guess. Some little old “Church” somewhere?

  39. Panorama is of record in recent years a 30 minute show.
    The fact that they are doing 1 full hour on the 28th is a Panorama “special.”
    No commericals. No interruptions like CNN “A History of Violence.”
    1 hour straight reporting.
    Kudos to the BBC, John Sweeney, Mike and Marty !

  40. I am looking forward to seeing the BBC show too, I wish I could see it when it actually airs. Hopefully we will have some links posted here to access the show online. I am glad that they are dedicating more than the usual time to this program.
    BTW, anyone know if the SuperPowers cross-raising is still going on this weekend – the building does not look like it is even close to being ready for occcupancy? CL

  41. ΘTater/GaryLerner

    Silly zombie, huh, Sam? 🙂 – blaaahhh!

  42. ΘTater/GaryLerner

    I think the “Count” turned him into one of the “Undead”. Viva Las Fangus!

  43. A few years back I would have crinched at the idea of the BBC doing such a show. Now I am like, “hell yeah!” Can’t wait to see DM ass being kicked on BBC. Like you said in the St. Pete Times “Sunshine is the best disinfectant.”

  44. For some reason I love that pic of you guys with the e-meter. It looks like something good happened there along the lines of differentation of the Church with the practice of Scientology.

    Why does that PI look like an “undead” vampire?
    He’s literally grey. If you;ve ever read descriptions of “The men in black”, thats how I imagine them.

  45. I think thats quite common. I personally know someone with a very similar story in my area. I assume more, but these things are kept quiet so I dont know for sure.
    People with access to money and business credit lines are pressured to donate and figure it out tommorow. Then they can’t deliver because they spent money they shouldnt have. But as long as the IAS and the Ideal Org fund got their money I guess everything is “greatest good”.

    Why am I reading Radar?

  46. Marty,
    One of the on-line scientologist told me that Tommy Davis, himself, blasted an e-mail to all the Scientologists asking them to watch the Anderson Cooper’s show on Scientology before it was aired last time.
    “Of course, many Scientologists watched the program and started thinking, OMG! there is something major wrong with our church and managment” this on-line scientologists told me.
    I hope that Tommy Davis promotes BBC Panoroma too. 🙂

  47. If he only would have known.

    Actually, I thought his response was somewhat fitting.

    Tommy Davis in his face bullbaiting im like that and Sweeny reacts. Then they try and turn it into bad PR for Sweeney. It was a joke.
    The Church didnt mind that Tommy Davis looked like a Nazi.

  48. While the picture shown (selected by the BBC, never mind) is, as any picture, only the record of an exact moment, isn’t it clearly visible how John Sweeny is INTERESTED and relaxed?

    Real communication, ARC, listening, answering people’s questions is going to make friends. Inevitably. Doesn’t mean they have to share the same opinion, but still friends and understanding each other.

  49. Lord Of The Undead

    No I did’nt. I picked up the rock and roll vibes and hit the swing.

    No one ever knew that after midnight at Castle Vlad, we would hit the vampire dance.

  50. ‘Most anti-BBC stuff comes straight from the Mail’ so say Guardian readers…we’ll have to wait for the finished product but The BBC is a left leaning organisation inherently suspicious of anything they consider supernatural (spiritual). I just hope they distinguish between scientology and the church in the final edit

  51. Yes there it, is the onley thing thaty can cause worldpeace.

    Good one Samuel

  52. The Church is famous for practicing the same things foolhardendly that have prooven to backfire over and over again. That is because some of them believe their own BS.

  53. The ‘standard’ Panorama programme is 30 mins. So for them to have a whole HOUR at prime time on the BBC’s flagship channel is a VERY BIG DEAL, even more so given that they did a programme on the CoS just a few years ago.

    To have a follow-up special like this is unprecedented. When the BBC makes a programme like this, the rest of the world takes notice. I’m expecting it to be another very large nail hammered into the coffin of DM’s demise.

    And the most satisfying part? It was all of his own making. 🙂


  54. Break out the good Scotch and the good cigars 🙂

  55. Ha. Good one.
    Thats pretty darn close Cat Daddy.

  56. No YouTube links yet? 😦

  57. Redneck Thetan

    Proof of how difficult it is to get anything aired in the UK that’s not been vetted to hell and back, and how high the level of pressure is right now. Tonight’s show was pulled literally at the very last minute because of legal threats.

    FYI, this was the regularly-scheduled Panorama that was supposed to air tonight. The Sweeney special airs tomorrow night.

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