The Eighth Dynamic

A casual suggestion.

1) Listen to this song (maybe a couple of times):

Nas, with two of Bob Marley’s sons, Damian and Stephen

[Chorus – Damian and Stephen Marley]
Jah told you in his own words
And I’ll see you through
To guide you through this cold world
And I’ll see you through

Jah told you in his own words
And I’ll see you through
To guide you through this cold world
And I’ll see you through

[Verse 1 – Nas]
Two steps away from death, a vest and a holster
I detest detectives arresting us over
Weapons possession, they was checking the Rover
Inspecting the tattoos on my neck and my shoulder
How many times I’m one of six coffin-holders
Or sitting with goons in a visiting room
Flip it, I could’ve been you
Behind state walls bidding
These are the things that a G pray for, acquit us
A little stash in the safe or a little shorty to wait for
Or a shorty to take the weight for him
What really did I escape from?
Thought I saw God’s face on the design on my vintage Claiborne
Swear I see em every day in the bus or the train
Or the billboards out there that hang tall
I still give thanks for him, have faith for him
No matter what his name’s called

[Chorus – Damian and Stephen Marley]

[Verse 2 – Damian Marley]
Hey can you think of a colour that you’ve never seen?
Can you reminisce on places you’ve never been?
Well is many are called
But them never deemed
Worthy for the cause
Cause them never clean
Help who help themselves
Jah nuh raffle dream
That’s why me chummy with Jah Jah
Like a Cherubim
Keep us strong through the winter like an Evergreen
And all of us are more connected than it ever seems
All things are related and creation is a package
Generate together and we increase the wattage
A how them a go manage?
Tell Babylon them can’t do Rasta damage
Nor stop we through the passage
Jah did make a promise, God is always honest
Always keep his word, don’t care what the plan is
Don’t be astonished
Stumbling blocks vanish
One day the meek gonna live inna di palace, Woah!

[Chorus – Damian and Stephen Marley]

[Verse 3 – Nas]
Some ask me if I feel the zionists are real
And in my songs do I plan to expose and reveal
Word to the curb that’s under these chrome wheels
My homies is only ones I’m taking care of
But severe reality starts to become more clear
And these know-it-all rappers have become more weird
As if they were superior and fans are inferior
How I balance between the streets and the theories of
Collegiate literature, I hold mirrors up
Give combinations of pain, joy, fear, and love
Through my perspective I can see Jah reflection
In the highest definition getting high with my brethren
Could’ve asked us why Africans dying from circumcision
They lack proper surgeons, suffer malnutrition
Underestimate the wealth of their own wisdom
It’s like it’s been exchanged for this penicillin

[Chorus – Damian and Stephen Marley]

2) Take a long walk, looking about for any signs of the eighth dynamic along the way.

Chances are you have just done far more for your eighth dynamic than you were ever permitted to do behind the wall.

100 responses to “The Eighth Dynamic

  1. I recall as a young man this life hearing, Rastafari, Almighty God.

    Ganga is not truth, it is a dream, of…

    What I have found, re-acquainted with, am.

    • “The eighth dynamic is the urge toward existence as INFINITY. The eighth dynamic is commonly supposed to be a Supreme Being or Creator. It is correctly defined as infinity. It actually embraces the allness of all.

      “The highest knowledge is to know that we are surrounded by mystery. Neither knowledge nor hope for the future can be the pivot of our life or determine its direction. It is intended to be solely determined by our allowing ourselves to be gripped by the ethical God, who reveals Himself in us, and by our yielding our will to His.

      – Albert Schweitzer”

  2. Ne Obliviscaris

    Right on, right on, right on, my brotha’.

    When you look for god, you find yourself.

    Book recommendation: Arthur C. Clarke’s “Childhood’s End”.

    • “Religion is not about accepting twenty impossible propositions before breakfast, but about doing things that change you. It is a moral aesthetic, an ethical alchemy. If you behave in a certain way, you will be transformed.”

      – Karen Armstrong

  3. Marty,

    You demonstrate balance and grace. Thank you for a wonderful nightcap.

    “It is both the duty and responsibility of the world’s fortunate few to help fulfill the legitimate aspirations of the unfortunate many.”
    Haile Selassie


    • “Single men and determined groups have been the only makers of space in which man could walk free.”

      L. Ron Hubbard

      • I think LRH means single as individual not married or single and “men” as women too?

      • There are those who would tell us that our ambitions are too high, that no single group, much less a single man, could bring about a change in the dangerous career of earth. But such people do not know their history. Single men and determined groups have been the only makers of space in which man could walk free.

        L. Ron Hubbard

  4. 🙂

  5. UnluckyPatron

    Speaking my language there, Marty

  6. Great Stuff Marty. Happy 4th of July to a real band of freedom fighters. I look forward to meeting you all one day on the other side of “David The Savage” (You guys can use this name if you like.) Love each other, stay connected to light, positivity and the infinte intelligence. Stay strong “The Savage’s” time is near due to the great work you are all contributing to. ARC, Jefretheta
    P.S. beers are on me after I get my IAS refunds+ after DM falls .

    • “P.S. beers are on me after I get my IAS refunds+ after DM falls .”

      Less Scotch for DM, You Sir are doing it right.

      “A person is either the effect of his environment or is able to have an effect upon his environment.”

      L. Ron Hubbard

  7. I love this song! And believe it or not, God/higher Powers (The 8th Dynamic–for anyone lurking, new who doesn’t know what that means. It’s really “The Supreme Being, whatever you believe that to be”)..was KEY to my waking up, leaving, and the strength to fight when so many turned against me.

    David Miscavige has no contact with the 8th Dynamic, this I am sure of…and Karma shall come his way, count on it.
    I’ve told him that, for years (on-line) and it’s been delightful to see all unfold.
    Great song, thanks 🙂 Tory/Magoo

    • Tory,

      By all accounts DM has no contact with the nth dynamic, where “n” is any number greater than 1.

      On second thoughts, make that where “n” is any number greater than or equal to 1.

      • I’d laugh, except that is SO true, and SO sad.
        Marc Headley told me Miscavige’s last session
        was in 1997!

        Don’t get me started…..Happily we’re all out
        from underneath his insanities.

      • Hi Splog-

        Does a fractional like 1.1 qualify?

      • I’m sorry (not really) to put this so bluntly but DM is not in any way in contact with the dynamics.
        LRH talked about negative or inverted dynamics.
        DM is on some sort of inverted 8th dynamic so I’d put n = -7 in your equation.

    • “The noblest worship is to make yourself as good and as just as you can.”

      – Isocrates

    • Karma—The gift that keeps on giving.

  8. The 8th dynamic is surely not in a box or a checkbook…isn’t it a wonderful dynamic ?!?!
    ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥v the 8th!!!!!! and it loves back with a passion lol

    • “Happiness and strength endure only in the absence of hate. To hate alone is the road to disaster. To love is the road to strength. To love in spite of all is the secret of greatness. And may very well be the greatest secret in this universe.”

      L. Ron Hubbard

  9. ClearlyMistreated

    That’s a beautiful song. It’s surprising how insightful rap music can be.

    The C of M had no use for the eighth dynamic because they couldn’t copyright it!

  10. Thank you Marty…

    Thank you very much.

    See you soon.x

  11. Impartial English Girl

    Wise words. Have a great weekend everyone. x

  12. Great song Marty, thanks for posting it.

    Here’s one of my Bob Marley favorites, called “Pass It On”:

    What your hands do,
    It’s your own eyes that’ve seen.
    So won’t you judge your actions
    To make sure the results are clean?

    It’s your own conscience
    That is gonna remind you
    That it’s your heart and nobody else’s
    That is gonna judge.

    Be not selfish in your doings:
    Pass it on. (Pass it on, children)
    Help your brothers (help them) in their needs:
    Pass it on.

    Live for yourself and you will live in vain;
    Live for others, you will live again.

    In the kingdom of Jah,
    Man shall reign.
    Pass it on;
    Pass it on;
    Pass it on;
    Pass it on.

    What’s in the darkness
    Must be revealed to light.
    We’re not here to judge what’s good from bad
    But to do the things that are right.

    On a hot, sunny day,
    Follow the shadows for rescue.
    But as the day grows old,
    I know the sun is gonna find you.

    Be not selfish in your doings:
    Pass it on.
    Help your brothers in their needs:
    Pass it on.

    Live for yourself, you will live in vain;
    Live for others, you will live again.

    In the kingdom of Jah,
    Man shall reign.
    Pass it on;
    Pass it on;
    Pass it on;
    Pass it on. (Pass it on)

  13. Thanks Marty,

    To all of you that read and post on this blog I just want say I love you all! And my I suggest a little reading for the weekend: Dan Koons stories about his meetings with LRH on

  14. The Song says so much, thanks Marty

  15. Beautiful, Thank you.
    Happy Independence Day to all, enjoy and celebrate the signs of the/your 8th D.

  16. Wise words Marty and it seems the Marley boy’s know a thing or two about the 8th Dynamic.

    Every morning (many times after I read this blog and have consumed my wake up beverage) the boy’s from Palm Harbor (my two beautiful dogs) and I take a nice long walk.

    I’m very fortunate to live in a home surrounded by an oak forest teaming with flora, fauna, birds and squirrels (not the DM type). After I read the BASIC books and listened to the LRH lectures my awareness opened up and one day about two years ago to this cognition:


    Taking a walk and taking a look are wise words Marty and when the Marley boy’s sang, “All things are related and creation is a package. Generate together and we increase the wattage”.
    I took a look into the future and realized everything will work out, because of this group’s whistle blowing, so more deserving folks like Org staff & confused public can someday take a walk outside the walls and confront & absorb the 8th Dynamic.

    Happy 4th to all.

    • “I’m very fortunate to live in a home surrounded by an oak forest teaming with flora, fauna, birds and squirrels ”

      “The best remedy for those who are afraid, lonely or unhappy is to go outside, somewhere where they can be quiet, alone with the heavens, nature and God. Because only then does one feel that all is as it should be and that God wishes to see people happy, amidst the simple beauty of nature.”

      – Anne Frank

  17. Marty, I did as you suggested and on my walk, I could see and feel the 8th dynamic in every living thing, every man-made thing along the way, and in every beautiful sight and sound reflected back to me. What a glorious morning this is!

    Quite an exhilarating process! How much do you charge for that?

    • martyrathbun09

      Aeolus, Glad to hear it. Gratis, of course.

    • “Spirituality exists wherever we struggle with the issue of how our lives fit into the greater cosmic scheme of things. This is true even when our questions never give way to specific answers or give rise to specific practices such as prayer or meditation. We encounter spiritual issues every time we wonder where the universe comes from, why we are here, or what happens when we die. We also become spiritual when we become moved by values such as beauty, love, or creativity that seem to reveal a meaning or power beyond our visible world. An idea or practice is “spiritual” when it reveals our personal desire to establish a felt-relationship with the deepest meanings or powers governing life.”

      – Robert C. Fuller

  18. We are all connected and it feels sooooo good!
    I’ve been doing some research for transcripts for a Jesuit University where the guys are African priests with Masters of Divinity…
    We are all connected and it feels sooooo good!

  19. ~I will be thinking of y’all over this weekend and sending oh-so-theta hugs your way~
    Feel the love ❤

  20. Thanks Marty, great July 4th sentiments. The 8th is all inclusive, not some separate entity as so many have viewed it in past misunderstood interpretations IMHO. As a young lad, in the boy scouts and on my own in the forests of the great NW, and islands in the Puget Sound, the 5th dynamic of all physical life and the 6th of material always expanded to the 8th. One should take the time to escape the noise and speed of ‘civilization’ by ones self or with family or close friends and experience nature, physical aesthetics and feel the calm that develops.
    Serenity of beingness is easy to reach in such surroundings.
    Independence Day is not just about getting out from under a tyrant, but is about all beings of good will having the freedom to be, do and have. It also requires that one be able to allow others possibly of different opinions and goals the same freedom.

    Thanks Martyfor the song and suggestion.

    • martyrathbun09

      Doc said: “The 8th is all inclusive, not some separate entity as so many have viewed it in past misunderstood interpretations IMHO.” Words of wisdom, Doc.

    • “He drew a circle that shut me out —
      Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout.
      But love and I had the wit to win:
      We drew a circle that took him in.”

      – Edwin Markham

  21. Climbing a 9' High Board Fence

    Wow! Thank you Marty and my group members.

    I feel welcome and strengthened by this group. I am not “out” yet. However, I’m more antsy by the day. I’m cutting through the tethers that bind and need to take flight.

    I hear truth, I hear honesty. I see (for those I’ve witnessed), and feel the breadth of emotions in the stories told by its members. I feel connected to each of my true group members as I encounter the stories told. Each of you and the personal experiences are embraced.

    I have asked of existing C ( or is it Sea) of MEST, while internally questioning, what the belief is with regards the 8th dynamic. I asked as I was not seeing “it” and perhaps had missed something. I was not satisfied with the answers I received, nor impressed with chapels built and crosses hung for self serving image. I found them aggrandising pleas for acceptance, offering up MEST as some sort of “ticket” into a spiritual club. I wanted to hear how members were surviving through or as the 8th dynamic.

    As I continue my personal growth in achieving a greater understanding of the 8th dynamic, it is encouraging to find the dynamic addressed here in THIS group.

    Let it be said, I have not personal objection to beautiful MEST. However, if behind those walls people are enslaved, abused, extorted and treated like MEST then the intention(s) for having those buildings is wrong. They are but pretty rocks and the way out doesn’t lead that way.

    Please excuse me now but I’ve got to get back to tearing at the thethers that currently bind me to this F ing perch.

    I know many of you and will be soaring with you soon.

    • martyrathbun09

      9 Feet High, Thanks for this. We are looking forward to your leap off that fence.

    • 9 Feet High,

      Here’s a saying that has helped me, greatly:
      “Leap~ And the Net Will Appear”
      “just when the caterpillar
      thought the world was over,
      it became a butterfly”

      As Marty said, looking forward to your leap off that fence 🙂

      • Climbing a 9' High Board Fence

        Thank you Tory for the encouraging words. The commitment is there. The fear is minimal. The timing is being worked out.
        Just waiting for the bully to walk by so I can jump off the fence.

      • I’m no Scientologist 9 Feet High. It’s not my practice.

        But I know a real Scientologist when I see one.


    • Aeons ago I came across a write up of the version of OT8 that was first released as written up by someone who did it. It took a few months for me to run it and it EP’d with an awareness of the 8th dynamic. Apparently it all got changed and quite a different version was posted some years later on the internet. I ran the later version too which was also quite beneficial.
      DM has pretty rocks. We have LRH’s legacy which includes an awareness of the 8th dynamic.
      As far as the nature of the 8th dynamic goes I think it was most eloquently expressed by Ludwig Wittgenstein at the end of his work but best experienced by doing lots of auditing.

    • 9 feet high, looking forward to your leap.
      This group is such a key-out. On a daily basis the theta keeps on getting stronger. The release is amazing.

      Love Carol

    • “As I continue my personal growth in achieving a greater understanding of the 8th dynamic, it is encouraging to find the dynamic addressed here in THIS group.”


      “We do not grow absolutely, chronologically. We grow sometimes in one dimension, and not in another; unevenly. We grow partially. We are relative. We are mature in one realm, childish in another. The past, present, and future mingle and pull us backward, forward, or fix us in the present. We are made up of layers, cells, constellations.”

      – Anais Nin

    • Ca9’HBF, that is one HELL of fence you are climbing, me thinks it’s not 9′ but 10,000′ and the jump down will be 9′ to FREEDOM! Wishing you well to the top and over.

  22. Its a beautiful song with a wonderful message. A far cry from DM’s empty theatre productions.

  23. Thanks for making this so simple to understand, Marty.

    I thought I had to pay three hundred grand before DM allowed me to view the 8th D.

    Guess that was false data, huh?

    Can you even imagine that guy’s future track?

    Happy 4th to you and yours, and be sure our friends from the NW have a cold one waiting for them at your pad Sunday, would ya…



    • 300 grand! God is everywhere and she/he/it is free. Read Rumi. This song is based upon a poe, by Saint John of the Cross (and no, I am not a Catholic!)

      Upon a darkened night
      the flame of love was burning in my breast
      And by a lantern bright
      I fled my house while all in quiet rest

      Shrouded by the night
      And by the secret stair I quickly fled
      The veil concealed my eyes
      while all within lay quiet as the dead

      Oh night thou was my guide
      of night more loving than the rising sun
      Oh night that joined the lover
      to the beloved one
      transforming each of them into the other

      Upon that misty night
      in secrecy, beyond such mortal sight
      Without a guide or light
      than that which burned so deeply in my heart
      That fire t’was led me on
      and shone more bright than of the midday sun
      To where he waited still
      it was a place where no one else could come


      Within my pounding heart
      which kept itself entirely for him
      He fell into his sleep
      beneath the cedars all my love I gave
      From o’er the fortress walls
      the wind would his hair against his brow
      And with its smoothest hand
      caressed my every sense it would allow


      I lost myself to him
      and laid my face upon my lover’s breast
      And care and grief grew dim
      as in the morning’s mist became the light
      There they dimmed amongst the lilies fair
      there they dimmed amongst the lilies fair
      there they dimmed amongst the lilies fair

  24. David from England

    David from the Mother Country sends the warmest of Independence Day greetings to the former colonies. Here’s hoping for the overthrow of colonialism everywhere – spiritual as well as physical – and for the ultimate triumph of Independence and Independents!!!

    • martyrathbun09

      Thank you David. Cheers.

    • “Transformation is only valid if it is carried out with the people, not for them. Liberation is like a childbirth, and a painful one. The person who emerges is a new person: no longer either oppressor or oppressed, but a person in the process of achieving freedom. It is only the oppressed who, by freeing themselves, can free their oppressors.”

      – Paulo Freire

  25. Floating Needle

    “God, by definition would be self-determinism.” (TECHNIQUE 88: “OVERT ACTS, MOTIVATORS & DEDS “ CONTINUED, lecture of 25 June 1952.)
    There is a lot more on this in this lecture.

    • “Free Will

      Concepts of the nature of human choice fall within three categories: determinism, indeterminism, and self-determinism.”

    • Christians would say “God is Love”

      “God is Love.” This simple yet complex statement is found only twice1, 2 in the Bible and is commonly presented out of context. It is generally misunderstood and often circulated in a fashion that leads many into Hell. The statement –while very easy to make and accept when presented in its undefined form– has a depth of reality far beyond what the average person wants to know even though such knowledge is critical to salvation.

      “Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love.” [1 John 4:8 ]
      “We have come to know and to believe in the love God has for us*.
      God is love, and whoever remains in love remains in God and God in him.” [1 John 4:16]

  26. Marty, the Marleys have always been a favorite of mine. Their songs put you into another space and time.

  27. “All things are related and creation is a package, Generate together and we increase the wattage”

    I love these lyrics and for some reason they remind my of Joan Osborne’s “One of Us”

    “What if God was one of us, Just a slob like one of us, Just a stranger on the bus…”

    (I hope this embed works and Allah u Akhbar as the green revolutionaries now chant in Iran)

  28. DM must be paying attention. Just got this email from CC Int on the 8th dynamic:

    Dear Idle,

    Today I’d like to focus your attention toward your eternity. I want to remind you about that fact that you have your entire spiritual freedom ahead of you. The staff of Celebrity Centre International are here to help you to be in the best state as soon as possible. Come in and get moving on your auditing NOW, and bring someone that you care about. I know I don’t have to convince you to want your auditing, so let’s get you in here and started. We have auditors ready. One can actually be in session for around eight hours a day! Getting to Clear* is really a very brief breath away when you think about how long you’ve been around. Read the LRH quote below and then let me know about how soon you can get yourself – or someone you care about – in here receiving intensive auditing.

    “One is rising to eternity.
    “You think time is behind you?
    “Have another thought. Look AHEAD.
    “There’s eternity!
    “And you’ll be in it.
    “You’ll be in it in a good state or a bad one. Really, I’m sorry to have to tell you, there’s no choice. One may be able to step off the planet. One isn’t going to step off life.”
    – L. Ron Hubbard, FROM CLEAR TO ETERNITY

    • IO,

      Thanks for sharing.

      “One can actually be in session for around eight hours a day!”

      I guess, those CCI auditors don’t really blow anyone out with their auditing and no one gets a big persistent F/N with having to wait for the three swings.

      Either that or perhaps the PCs get regged for Idle Orgs or IAS status in between sessions to get keyed in so as to further DM’s 9th Dynamic.

    • Watching Eyes

      Oh, the dwarf is paying attention. Count on it. You just know he’s got this blog bookmarked.

      This blog post goes up last night and today “by coincidence” the org sends out that email. Don’t you just love watching the dwarf REACT.

      I think from now on when I get emails from the orgs I’m going to hit reply and send them the url to this site. Giving them the url to Karen’s post would be a good start. Dwarf, whatcha gonna do about that?

    • “let me know about how soon you can get yourself – or someone you care about – in here receiving intensive auditing.”

      frightning 😉

      • Dear Cat Daddy,

        Who are you?


        I click on your link and I go to a UNICEF promoting site. WTF?

        Who pays for and founded UNICEF?

        I know.

        Lot’s of nice quotes. Thanks where they’re pertinent.


        Upon this memorialized weekend I’ll state it again in a new unit of time:

        I’m Thomas E. Gallagher. And I’d be proud to be declared for speaking out!

        Done it before.

        Doing it again.

        Let’s go.

        (Sorry Marty if I got this wrong. But something’s got me riled up with Cat’s thread.)

      • Dear Thomas E. Gallager. I am Niels from The Netherlands. I am a Critique. Although out of support I let my name be known I am an Anon. Anonymous no more.

        I am a critique , Yes I am and alsoo intrested in what drives people.

        My main objectives are to work towards people out of the abusing entity that is the “church” , to work towards the removal of David Miscavige, To have the abusing entity that is the church refund unused money on account, repay donations as they absolutely seldom,dare I say never used for the purpuse they are donated for. To work towards the removal and jailment of David Miscavige.

        I am not a fan of your founder but he said profound things. I quote him when I feel it is appropiäte and ads to explains or examplefies. I acknowledge all of you having the most wonderful time on the Appollo, however I ask you not to be blind to the expieriences of people that your founder wronged being in total command.

        As for UNICEF a small history lesson:

        “The creation of the United Nations in 1945 represented the coming of age of an ideal of international cooperation. Its immediate spur was the destruction caused by World War II, but behind this lay a longer-term desire to promote world peace. There was, however, no idea of setting up within the constellation of new institutions a special organization for children. The creation in 1946 of the United Nations International Children’s Emergency Fund was an accident of early cold war politics.

        The prospects in Europe were grim. The winter of 1946-1947 was particularly bitter. Millions of people were still without proper shelter, fuel, clothing or food. Children especially were suffering: in some affected areas, half of all babies were dying before their first birthday. The Allies, anticipating widespread devastation at the end of the war, had established the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration (UNRRA) in 1943 to provide general assistance. But the Iron Curtain descended, and the United States Government refused to go on using UNRRA as a relief channel because it was aiding countries in both Western and Eastern Europe.

        Just as UNRRA was about to be wound up, however, voices were raised at its final meeting in Geneva to protest the fate of Europe’s children. The delegate from Poland, Ludwik Rajchman, was particularly vocal, and the meeting accepted the proposal that UNRRA’s residual resources should be put to work for children through a UN International Children’s Emergency Fund — an ‘ICEF’. Rajchman was regarded, therefore, as the founder of UNICEF. The Executive Director designate, Maurice Pate, made it a condition of his service that there were no caveats about where the aid (mostly dried milk) might go, insisting that UNICEF support equally children in vanquished as well as victorious countries. Subsequently, on 11 December 1946, a resolution of the UN General Assembly — number 57(I) — brought UNICEF into being. Fortuitously, therefore, the Children’s Fund became part of that continuing experiment in international cooperation that has since constituted the United Nations system.”

        My country and country men amnd women are big contribitors as well as driving forces within the World -organization of UNICEF.

        Katherine Hepburn ass well as Danny Kaye were ambassadors of UNICEF untill their spirit left their body.

        And now a clip song by ILse de Lange for UNICEF, one of my favorit (dutch) singers.

      • Oops forgot the clip.

      • Alsoo Audry not Katherine*

      • Allow me to chip in a little with my own observations regarding Niels.

        It’s true, he’s not a Scientologist. He said right from the beginning that he wasn’t. Sometimes when a non-Scientologist say something critical about the subject our hackles raise and we get defensive. I put this down to that ingrained culture of fear and us-vs-them that most of us here are working hard to rid ourselves of. I know for sure I’ve felt that on more than one occasion about Niels.

        But he doesn’t make snide remarks or deal in generalities either. If he posts about an overt LRH committed, he tends to provide the facts that are available. It’s almost as if he’s writing a proper KR, and none of us will rail against a valid KR.

        He has this knack of finding and supplying pertinent quotes – most of the from LRH. I choose to believe that he does this on a help flow, to reinforce the good positive parts of Scientology. I believe this because that’s what the evidence suggests.

        Sure, he’s critical of the church – who here isn’t? He’s not frothing at the mouth though and calling for it’s destruction and everyone who was ever in it. He just wants the bullshit to be knocked off.

        Treat his posts as those of someone holding a mirror up to our actions. This is valuable – it lets us find things that need changing and prevents hubris.

        So I welcome Niels’ presence here, I don’t mind defending my position to him.

    • I can’t think there is any way someone could be in session 8 hours a day. On grades auditing I generally find trying to average more than 2 – 3 hours a day gets into auditing over persistent F/Ns. On OTs its hard to run more than 90 mins in a day.

      • TheEmperorIsNaked

        Yeah, but Ralph – you’re doing Scn right?

      • I have thought deeply about this. Jim orated about auditing me or processing me to an inch of my live.

        It is an exhaustion method . It brings a person into a state of suggestability and weakens his mental capacities because the brain has been kept active for so long it has burned through its energy. In this state crying and hysterical laughter can ocure. If this is continued for days at end 8 hours or more per day one could even have halucinations.

      • Correction. Its exhausting period but Miscavige might use it as an exhaustion method.

        When the same auditor audits he would get equally tired to so both would be exhausted if this went on for days at endso that renders part of my comment specificly calling it a methed of when it would be simply exhaustion over time nul in void

  29. Another Layer

    Happy 4th!

  30. Another Layer


  31. Tony DePhillips

    Hi Marty and Mike,

    One of my friends “flying under the radar” sent this to me today and I thought you might like it:

    I found something interesting and relevant to our recent discussions. See the excerpt below.
    In Michael Shermer’s excellent skeptical manifesto, Why People Believe Weird Things, Shermer identifies several such moments in recent human history, including the satanic cult panic of the 1980’s and the repressed memory craze of the 1990’s. The latter is especially significant, because when a parent in the 90’s was accused of sexual abuse of their child because the child “remembered” the abuse under hypnotic regression, there was nothing the parent could do to alleviate suspicion against him or her. Thousands of people were sent to prison as sex offenders–swearing they had done no wrong–before the methodology was questioned and the concept of confabulated memory was explained in courtrooms.
    But this drive to ignore skepticism (until it is too late) is hardly a recent cultural phenomenon. In his book, Shermer quotes Hugh Trevor-Roper, who wrote this about the witch-hunts of the seventeenth century:
    To read these encyclopaedias of witchcraft is a horrible experience. Together they insist that every grotesque detail of demonology is true, that scepticism must be stifled, that sceptics and lawyers who defend witches are themselves witches, that all witches, “good” or “bad,” must be burnt, that no excuse, no extenuation is allowable, that mere denunciation by one witch is sufficient evidence to burn another. All agree that witches are multiplying incredibly in Christendom, and that the reason for their increase is the indecent leniency of judges, the indecent immunity of Satan’s accomplices, the sceptics.

    If you take the above quote in italics and replace a few words, here’s what you have:

    To read these encyclopaedias of those labeled suppressive is a horrible experience. Together they insist that every grotesque detail of what management says is true, that scepticism must be stifled, that sceptics and lawyers who defend those labeled suppressive are themselves suppressive, that all those labeled suppressive, “good” or “bad,” must be burnt, that no excuse, no extenuation is allowable, that mere denunciation by one labeled suppressive is sufficient evidence to burn another. All agree that suppressives are multiplying incredibly in Scientology, and that the reason for their increase is the indecent leniency of Ethics, the indecent immunity of suppressives’ family and friends, the sceptics.


  32. Marty, you did it again in a humble and classy way. Thank you!

    Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love YOU ALL.

  33. To all Independence Day revellers I send my warmest wishes for a fine celebration, and much mirth, revelry and gusto! I am happy to report England will be more than adequately represented – although not by myself sadly.

    To all you fine people who contribute to this incredible community I am going to park the reserve and the stiff upper lip – just for a moment mind – and say what I’ve been wanting to say for a while now … I love you all! XXX

  34. Great tune! Loved it! Thanks! Happy fourth, congrats and may the red carpet continue to roll out for you and those you love!

  35. What if every man you met was God?

    Thanks for the post Marty. I’ve always been a fan of Bob Marleys and didn’t realize he had sons carrying on the tradition.
    I’ll admit when the rapping started I sort of tuned out. But I relistened this evening after a glass of wine with my lamb and I thought OK not bad.
    So I listened to it again and really enjoyed it!
    This got me thinking….man I’m starting to like rap…what is this some kind of a cult…must resist …must resist……
    Damn resistance is futile!You got a convert. Well at least to this song anyway.:)

    Happy Canada Day(July 1st) weekend!
    Oh.. and happy July 4th weekend to you southerners!

    • martyrathbun09

      Axiom 38, well if you loved Marley, he was a rapper. There is a taste of it on that cut when Damian goes off. Some trace “rapping” back to Reggae’s version of it. It is called “toasting.”

    • The first rap tune was written in 1974 by a man named Gil Scott Heron. It was called “The revolution will not be televised”.

      It wasn’t called rap then. But it was. The rest of the world caught up more than ten years later.

      You will probably recognize it and remember it, and even remember liking it!

  36. Did you know that The Great Wall of China is not a continuous strip of wall? This is a collection of walls continues along the hills to the south end of the plains of Mongolia. 221-206 was built in BEC mud and rocks, supported by wooden frames to prevent the nomads of Mongolia to enter the Chinese territory.

  37. Toasting,,,cool.
    I should have said Gangsta rap.
    If I’m not mistaken the first time I heard anyone rap was Blondie in “Rapture”!
    I enjoy the Chilli Peppers,Kid rock etal.whose music combines many elements of rap.

    As I’ve often said…my favourite kind of music is good music. The genre has little to do with whether a song is good imo.And the song you posted is very good!
    Thanks again.

  38. Nice post & song Marty.
    * Thank you for writing down the lyrics.
    I will heed to your suggestion, and take a long walk with that viewpoint in mind.

  39. Your humble servant

    Cat Daddy,

    Your love for and interest in children is admirable and commendable. Thank you for the history lesson about UNICEF.

  40. What a beautiful song =)

  41. As the Hindu Rig Veda states, “Truth is one. The sages know it by many names.”

    With some poetic license, “God is universally One. We seekers remember and discover via many paths.”

    That said, this offering from just one of many spiritual thought systems:

    “When a mind has only light, it knows only light. Its own radiance shines all around it, and extends out into the darkness of other minds, transforming them into majesty. The Majesty of God is there, for you to recognize and appreciate and know. Recognizing the Majesty of God as your brother is to accept your own inheritance. God gives equally. If you recognize His gift in anyone, you have acknowledged what He has given you. Nothing is so easy to recognize as truth. This is the recognition that is immediate, clear and natural.” – A Course in Miracles

    Thanks Marty et al, for starting and others sharing in the theme of this wonderful thread.

    PS. Cat Daddy, you are one Quote Factory extraordinaire! 🙂

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