Daniel Montalvo continued to be under effective house arrest most of the day. A multi-agent Radical Scientology cult private eye team has had Daniel under surveillance full time since his release. Twice the investigators have made aggressive moves with their vehicles toward Daniel’s friend and host Tiziano Lugli.
This evening, Tiziano and Jamie took Daniel to dinner at a cafe on Sunset Blvd. A four car team of Radical Scientology cult investigators leered from across the street. When they finished eating, Tiziano and Jamie approached the PI team. As the two neared the pack of gangsters, team leader Mike Kelly (same guy who lead the JB surveilance team at Tiziano’s this summer; and surveilled Mosey’s and my arrival at LA International the week before last) screamed like a stuck pig crying he was fearful that Jamie and Tiziano were going to “mug” he and his three hired thugs. Kelly slammed Tiziano’s arm knocking his video camera to the ground. Jamie called 911. Twenty LA County Sheriff’s Deputies arrived on the scene aiming shotguns at all the PIs and Tiziano and Jamie. Tiziano and the pregnant Jamie were cuffed along with the PIs until the watch commander arrived to sort out what was going on. When they realized it was the Radical Scientology cult PI’s at work again, they gave Tiziano and Jamie a head start home detaining the PI’s in the meantime.
When the smoke finally cleared, Daniel had vanished.
Don’t worry. He is in good hands.
Tiziano and Jamie took some knocks, but the kid rides again, at least for now, free from effective house arrest.
Minutes later another four cars full of Scientology cult PIs arrived at Tiziano’s home demanding that Daniel be produced to be served with a restraining order. Too late, there was no Daniel to produce.
Turns out Eliott Abelson went to court – with no notice to Daniel – representing Daniel’s wife alleging physical spousal abuse purportedly occuring several months ago. Never reported to the police of course. They claimed it was an emergency matter to restrain Daniel from going within 100 yards of the Hollywood Blvd management building and the Complex. The very premises he has been attempting to forever leave behind. The very premises the church utilized legal threats and family pleas in order to lure Daniel back to. Abelson continues to be a shameless, lying shyster.
As to spousal abuse, what else do you expect? Isn’t that precisely what they accused me, Amy, Tom and Mike of in their Freedom mags?
The Criminal Mind of Miscavige apparently mandates such allegations be made. He is obsessed with accusing others of his own sordid intentions and activities.
Miscavige is one sick, sick puppy.
And an increasingly ineffective one.
Hopefully, Sheriff Baca will wake up and restore order in a county gone lawless when it comes to the Radical Scientology cult. Hopefully, Miscavige doesn’t take him down like he did his other LA buddy, a certain one-time movie star.
Interesting how Miscavige is so effective at bringing down apparent friends he tricks into trusting him, while being so utterly ineffective at ruining those who are wise to his tricks and are exposing him for what he is.
Luckily, Saturday is renos at Int and perhaps DM will settle down with a few hours of pulling weeds or installing irrigation. 20 officers with shotguns? This is madness. But someday it will make a wonderful Coen Brothers or Quentin Tarintino movie.
Ring if you need anything brother.x
All this for one 19 year old kid who just wants to do something else?
Miscavige is mad. Truely, stark raving mad; a lunatic in the classic sense that harkens back to ancient antiquity when such behavior was expected of those who lead at that time. To see such depravity displayed in this day and age, and by someone who is supposed to be guiding the legacy of LRH, is truly a sign of just how corrupt, evil and misguided this man is, and how far from LRH’s intentions the COS organization has drifted.
May this young man rise to great heights. And may the Furies palsey the hands of anyone attempting to harm him or any other person who seeks to escape the chains of a slavemaster.
P.S. To Miscavige : Be a man. Try to catch the kid yourself. I would love to see you try to get past Marty, you two-bit lying sack of monkey spunk.
Thumbs up for Tiziano, Jemie and the rest of the Team… the world is watching.
Thank you Marty for the update!
Daniel, there are people out here who care about you, and want you to have a good life. Take some time to enjoy your freedom, and then GO TO SCHOOL. You’ll meet people and learn about the world, and hopefully gain skills for work. You’re young enough to build a life and to have a great future. Talk to people who have traveled this road before you, because it will help a lot. It’s not going to be easy, but you have a lot of people who care about you.
Jamie~Please don’t be doing this stressful stuff! You’ve probably got one helluva OT hanging around waiting for the big day that he gets to be an Inde! Please.
I really wondered when Abelson (staunch defender of pornographers) would appear.
I get scared when guns come out…way too much random chaos for guns. Shit. That freaks me out.
I don’t even know what to say. I’m freaked out now. But so very glad it came under control. This is outrageous.
Manufactured crimes, UTTER LIES, Often incredibly sordid and lurid LIES to attack someone who has blown, exited, left the church, or is perceived to be enemy such as a journalist.
Daniel’s wife alleging physical spousal abuse purportedly occuring several months ago. Never reported to the police of course.
Only after he flees the ABUSE within SO culture that he cannot endure anymore, do they make his wife *RECALL* an incident that makes Daniel
SO Dangerous, such a THREAT, that he has to be served a TRO to stay away from a place he has already fled and does not want to be anywhere NEAR.
1) Marty is framed with manufactured hogwash about the death of his brother
(when he had already been in the SO 3 years)
2) John Brousseau was accused of Theft of a hard drive to Hemet Sheriff after he blew and the vandalism of a $20 Cell phone Sim Card. All a pretext to get him arrested. Warren McShane’s filings were not taken seriously.
3) After I connected with Marty and Mike and posted heavy duty accusations levelled at Miscavige, Office of “COB” and RTC had a PI call in Whittier (suburb of LA) with an ANONYMOUS phone call that I was smuggling underage children to my CPA, a well connected Harvard Business Graduate !
4)Stacey Young a veteran SO member who had worked at ASI and was also sentenced to a brutal RPF, after fleeing, had a Mental Health respresentative show up at her door to commit her to a Mental Asylum as “insane”.
Numerous EX SO and EX Church members have told suffered harrassment, character assassination and DIRTY TRICKS making the CULT a Religious Terrorist organization if such a an entity could be termed “Religious.”
+++++Bob Welkos of the LA Times dug in to find more Terrorist acts, falsely wild accusations and ANONYMOUS Tips to police in investigate bogus charges.
This is worth a read
I would like to acknowledge Tiziano and Jamie for being PLAYERS and jumping in to assist this ex SO member.
Over and beyond the call of duty ~~even getting handcuffed, getting camera knocked to the ground and so on.
You have contributed to an even LARGER product than you can imagine.
This is historic. ANONYMOUS, Critics, Old Guard and Indies have come together on this incident.
This must be quite scary to OSA, RTC and others who would like everyone fighting with each other without UNITY.
I am always willing to friend any person wanting the ABUSE of DM’s CULT to end. But I did not think that I would see the day when ANONYMOUS donated on Marty’s site to help a fleeing ex-So member.
Something very good is happening here….
So how much is Miscavige (and DM’s proxy Moxon) going to try to charge Daniel for Freeloader’s Debt?
DM will undoubtedly try to kick & stomp Daniel repeatedly in the balls when he is down (out of work, no money, no employment prospects, MANUFACTURED CRIMINAL RECORD, no skills in Real Life, terrified of losing his eternity) etc.
(I’m not the poster OTDT, but longtime poster OTBT on WWP)
Is there some video of this escapade to post? There was mention of a video camera.
Mr. Rathbun; thank you so much for the update. Daniel and the brave folk who stood up for him were very much in my thoughts after your previous post. Once can only imagine the desperation and terror of the lad after all he has been through. It, quite literally, sickens me to learn of what has been done to him by these evil people. All I can really say is thank heaven for the brave few who have supported him, sheltered and fed him, PAID BAIL for his spurious arrest (Sherriff Baca should be UTTERLY ashamed of himself – sounds like corruption harking back to the Capone-era. I’m not joking.) and continue to look out for him. They are modern-day heroes of the most worthy kind. I didn’t think I could hate P*sscavige any more than I already did. I was wrong. The puerile maggot deserves to be dragged behind a diuretic mule through the streets of Clearwater.
What sticks in my craw about this is the total disregard for truth – in fact, the RAPING of truth by DM and his henchmen.
High regard for truth is, in many ways, quite similar to high-toned survival itself.
It might be Pollyanna-ish, but, if I can’t win with the truth, then “winning” isn’t worth it. I remember once at the start of a court action, my lawyer whispered to me “Let the lying begin!”. I was very offended – he evidently thought that HIS job was to lie for me!
When you “win” with lies, your “win” is of very short duration.
This might be enough for someone like DM, who at his core cannot POSSIBLY believe he is a spiritual being. So for a “one-lifer” (as he fancies himself), a decades-long career of MEST luxuries and power over Sea Org lackeys must seem worthwhile.
DM does have one use – he is an excellent personification of the below-death tone levels.
Castro has had his little empire of misery and lied for some 50 years now, but….did he “win”? If not for the automatic “Berlin Wall” of the sea around his island hell, most of his people would have deserted en masse years ago.
What is the Sea Org’s “Berlin Wall”? What keeps a Heber within the Wall, bowing and scraping before this tin-horn dictator?
Tiziano and Jamie. THANK YOU.
wish it was on video
Tiziano and Jamie, I wanna be your friend!
Marty, Mike, Tom, Christie, Tiziano, you guys are so amazing. Thank you so much for putting so much truth, sanity, and love in the universe. Thank you for your courage and for ‘Walking The Road To Truth’. My admiration always.
Daniel, we’re all behind you buddy. Hang strong.
Stupid strategy is stupid. When one stands back and looks at this with some perspective, it seems evident the idiot Miscavige and his idiot lawyers and other minions are carrying out exactly the kinds of actions designed to inspire CNN or a network or a BBC to do a follow-up program called, “How Much More Stupid Can the Cult of Scientology Get?”
Up to the point Machine Gun Kelly pulled a Miscavige on the camera.
I take it you are video-ing everything that you can video. With the right editing and text, you could have a very powerful documentary about how the church treats someone who wants to leave and how they engage in what is in fact, terrorizing him mentally and spiritually – ESPECIALLY in regards to his relationships with his loved ones. And this needs to be revealed to as many people as possible using any outlets that can be gotten.
Daniel should NEVER, EVER report back in to “route out.” That is a sure way of undergoing mental and spiritual torture. The “routing form” is just another form of handcuffs designed to strip a being of his self-determinism over his own start – change – stop.
Yeah – up to the point of Machine Gun Kelly going all Miscavige.
And then had Social Services to try to take away the kids from Mark and Claire Headley.
Really sick behaviour for a so-called church.
I love the smell of footnukes in the morning! Dear Leader is absolutely craving more media attention — he is doing everything he can to get himself and his good buddies some splashy coverage. Well, duck and cover Dave because you might just get what you are asking for you demented little dictator.
Ron Matlock if your in the uk hope to get contact
There’s no such action here in the Land of Santa. Gotta wait until X-Mas…
Another Appauling behaviour and this is surpose to be the leader of the Church of Scientology, My Ass ( sorry to be so ruid ) He is pissing me off.
Hopefully those who were on the scene saw what went on and can at some point be able to witness such behaviour. Its becoming a sick Joke.
WELL FIRST IS A THANK YOU!!!!! TO ALL OF YOU GUYS, TIZZIANO, JAMIE, MARTY TOM, MIKE ….YOU ARE EXTRAORDINARY PEOPLE …AND YOU CAN COUNT ON ME …….I’M PROUD TO BE YOUR FRIEND… IN REGARD OF DANIEL OMG!!! I GOT SO MAD WHEN I READ IT.. HOW STUPID THAT SOB CAN BE DO THAT TO YOU…I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE FREE BEING, BECAUSE ALL OF THIS WILL PASS… IT HAPPEN TO ME , AND MY KIDS AND NOW THEY ARE A GREAT FREE PRODUCTIVE PEOPLE….SO NEVER LOOSE THE HOPE AND REMEMBER YOU ARE IN THE BEST HANDS EVER, TRUST THEM…
MARTY I THINK THE ST PETE TIMES SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS TO CONTINUE THE SAGA…..
THANK YOU FOR KEEP US POSTED WE ARE A HELL OF A TEAM!!!!
PS I’M SO HAPPY DANIEL IS SAFE AND OUT OF THE SIGHT OF THOSE CRAZY LUNATICS… SOME HEADS ARE GOING TO ROLL BECAUSE OF THAT MISTAKE.. ORDERED BY DM….
I’d made a promise last week that every time an OSA troll posts I’m going to re-post telling people where to file a report to get their money back. However, what Miscavige’s drones are doing to Daniel, Tiziano and the pregnant Jamie is so over the top that I’m not waiting. Here you go with a new note added.
For anyone wanting a repayment/refund here’s where you need to file a report if you don’t get satisfaction from the mafia……oops, I mean church. These are government agencies and WILL respond to you. Your complaint will not be ignored.
For the IAS here’s the one to use. It’s in CA.
You can plug in their EIN number, just above the “search” button to get the exact name they go by. It’s very hard to find the name otherwise.
Put the EIN number in your complaint.
This complaint has to be printed out & mailed via the US Mail.
For Flag or the Ship this is the one in FL. It’s under the Attorney Gen’s office, Dept of Consumer Services, Bureau of MEDIATION & Enforcement.
Under Consumer Complaint Form click on “online form”. With this one you can submit it online and attach any docs.
Note: when you fill in this form, under each question, every time you add in another line of info it shrinks the print. By the time you’re done anyone reading it will need a magnifying glass. The best thing is to do is write on the form referring them to your attached complaint.
Also, the form asks when you paid. If it’s a real old date, the form might not take it. Put today’s date and explain in your attachment.
Note: you may get a letter back from the Florida Attorney Gen’s office Consumer Services Div saying they don’t handle this and have referred it to the Pinellas COUNTY Consumer Services. A-okay. If so, you’ll then get a letter from that agency. Just fill out their form as requested and send it back. Start with the Atty Gen link. You won’t be ignored.
Go for it. If enough of these show up on their desks, the CofM risks an all out gov investigation. Remember, most of the people asking for repayment/refunds are NOT in their 20′s & 30′s. Most are 50 and older. Think “elder abuse”.
And what a smart kid Daniel is!!
Took off in times of heavy preparations for the punk’s main celebration of his pathetic self-importance – the IAS Event next weekend in St. Hill. When all attention is fixed on that travestie, nobody can be RPFed right on the spot – I hope just mechanically.
Anyway – to take hostage of Daniel’s wife and make her testify against him – as I assume a VERY young and sweet woman herself – is beyond anything speakable. I wish her to be free a.s.a.p., too.
I will be deeply satisfied to see Abelson and Moxon once and forever banned from any courtroom in the world and if possible behind bars together with their insane sick boss.
Ok that’s it. I stay away for one day and DM and his goon squad are back to their old tricks. Didn’t anyone tell you Davie that the world loves and underdog? Marty another donotion on the way for the Daniel Fund. Buy him another burger on me and keep us updated on what else he may need. Someone said somewhere let this be the last kid whose life is ruin by DM. I’m in total agreement to that. Go Team Daniel!
Months ago I suggested we fund the Indie movement and the Miscavige Goes to Jail campaign with a TV reality program. Anybody want to reconsider the idea? Tiziano could produce it.
Too bad he just can’t see:
…”But the fool in his mischief forgets
And he lights the fire
Wherein one day he must burn.
He who harms the harmless
Or hurts the innocent,
Ten times shall he fall —
Into torment or infirmity,
Injury or disease or madness,
Persecution or fearful accusation,
Loss of family, loss of fortune.
Fire from heaven shall strike his house
And when his body has been struck
He shall rise in hell …”
Dharmmapada: Sayings of the Buddha
WOW — who thought the Buddha could be so graphic — so to those who think Buddhism is all sweetness and light, read again 🙂
It’s looking pretty dark for dm and those who do his bidding.
Warning to OSA, Abelson etc:
I’d separate myself from dm pretty damn quick. You have NO WAY of knowing which one of his evil deeds is going to cause YOUR OWN KARMIC seeds to ripen, hurling you into a pit of despair and horror. The seeds are stacking up pretty high, and just one little email more MIGHT be what topples YOU over.
Thank you for the differentiation.
I’m thankful that Daniel is among friends who are helping him and have his back. What the C of M is doing is outlandish in the extreme. Geez, a teenager leaves a life of slave labor, gets interrogated by a shell of a lawyer, goes to jail for it, is falsely accused of a crime, and harassed and hounded by private investigators. So much for “anyone can leave anytime they want”.
Little Leader is giving little people a bad name.
Hi Marty. Here is my confirmation on PayPal.
Daniel if you are reading this stay strong kid. Even though you have some rough seas to navigate through you have a lot of good people there to help you who know how to help you and have your back.
It’s coming. Instant Karma’s gonna get ya! 😀
Anybody know Daniels’ wife’s maiden name? I have a couple of friends with daughters working at Bridge and it may be helpful for me to know if they happen to be his wife.
Bravo on Jamie & Tiziano, and I’m so glad to hear Daniel was kept out of it. But its a shame that all the harassment and stalking Jamie & Tiziano endured before this from the cult PI thugs wasnt escalated to charges or a restraining order against those thugs before all this happened. Yeah i know – hindsight is 20/20, but just because the stalking and harassment is expected behavior for anyone high profile who tries to leave doesnt excuse the fact that its bad behavior.
So food4thought suggestion – the shi- is getting deep, start paying it forward – just cause you know the lurking presence is the cult’s goons and you know why their there, doesnt mean you cant report it as someone creepy following you. Let the cops sort out the who/why in the course of documenting the complaint. Then when something major like the situation with Daniel happens, the history of the complaints (that likely went nowhere at the time of filing) is the makings of a case that shows an undeniable pattern over a period of time. Had this been done prior to the after dinner ordeal, Jamie and Tiziano might not of ended up in handcuffs.
That said… way to go Jamie & Tiziano… another job well done despite the shoulda-coulda-woulda retrospective.
This post should be spread through the church community like wildfire. It is a clear message of how off purpose the church has become.
It is one thing to make public the crimes of Scientology advisaries and completely another to create crime out of wholecloth. As witness of these blogs, “fair game” continues to be in use. The link that Karen gave shows specifically how the church has done that to the opposition in the past.
I have to admit, I cheered victoriously at the Time Magazine handlings and now I wonder how much truth was actually PR lies. Look at the current fodder coming out of Freedom, a magazine that once used to represent honor and integrity.
Daniel’s story is a wake up call to those still supporting the church or staying cloaked within its fringe. This is a young adult, someone’s son being fed to the wolves so that he doesn’t speak what he has observed. Personal integrity being tested, before our very eyes.
When they couldn’t scare him into obedience with threat to his personal freedom, they infiltrated his family and coerced them to publish lies, hoping to weaken Daniel. The church representatives, having already lied when he wanted to route out per policy and cannot be trusted.
His crime? When forced to read the Freedom mag he saw the lies about Tom D., a man he knew personally and he began to look on the internet, a place where one can read what must never be communicated in the church, the TRUTH.
“Daniel told Tom he could no longer take the incessant stat push on books and tapes, the orders to carry out fraudulent practices against Scientology public,and the Int-like DM tortures now being practiced by CMO PAC messengers regularly at Bridge Publications.”
So he left, no longer able to support the only group he ever knew. The church’s response is so out there, it is hard to believe they actually do stuff like this. Can you imagine an employee of say, Random House having this type of response because he didn’t want to work there anymore?
This is not what LRH worked for! Stay strong, Daniel! You are most likely playing a bigger part in Scientology’s history than you ever expected. The road may be difficult but you have many friends to lean on for support. The return to freedom of thought and person and the theta that is inherent in those who are applying the tech, outside the church will be your buffer.
Thank you for being there and communicating! I really do appreciate it!
I am a concerned non-scn, non-anon — just a regular guy who has been fascinated and increasingly alarmed by the conduct of the COS. I have been following the subject for several years now, and I thank all of you for this blog. Marty, Mike & Friends, take good care of Mr. Montalvo. Please do your best to keep him away from the drama and the COS lawyers. To Miscavige and the COS: the whole world is watching. Ordinary people like me — in their millions — are sickened by the revolting conduct of your organization. You have had your way for too long. The worm is going to turn. It always does.
so TRUE, so TRUE!!
Unprecedented UNITY, what a thrill. I am so GRATEFUL.
With testimony and what is available of the video it should not be too hard to get a restraining order on at least Kelly and perhaps even the rest of the crew who were obviously stalking. It would also be good to have an ally in the distance, 3-feet in back of the head so to speak, who is videoing but not readily viewable to the PI’s. This is all clearly stalking and a bad job at it. I would also suggest anyone with media contacts to start disseminating this story. Someone said it went viral but it is a great story that still has legs.
As for DM, you should have someone gather up all of LRH’s whole track material in a synopsis and then hire some pro journeyman screen writers and alloy it into something you could sell as an idea to TC that are “hidden OT levels” meant to be unleashed to the public after the year 2012. It was hidden in the vaults until now. Tell TC the out-ethics merfers at Gold are not worthy. It needs Hollywood’s best and that is why I’m coming to you. Have him sign a bond that this info is highly confidential and cannot be uttered until the movies come out. Then….get his studio connections and him to pay for it. Maybe you could throw in a few bones. And you could be listed as a co-producer with a financial arrangement and you would have a new job and could abdicate or just move off the volatile position you’re in now. You could even move to another country and have relative safety. More than you might here. I’m trying to help you Dave. You are desperate and you need to have a place to go and this would make you a big time movie exec and still some sort of spiritual authority of the church. Leave one of your women in charge and let them take the flak while you go be Fabian.
“However, what Miscavige’s drones are doing to Daniel, Tiziano and the pregnant Jamie is so over the top that I’m not waiting. ” for a troll…
“Go for it…. Think “elder abuse”…. that cracks me up big time!! You know what? I am such an “elder abused” with my fifty close to sixty what…hahahahah. Oh, be still my heart!!!!!
While I NEVER thought to do it, you made me go straight into action!!! And if anything comes my way out of it, I pledge half of it to Marty’s UGRR Fund. (Won’t be little….. hahahahaha)
This to me is a colossal indication of how desperate Dear Leader is to “salvage” his cult.
This “church” claimed to always handle their own staff, even if they should have been sent to jail. Through use of their RPF program. That is what THEY proclaim to all those so called scholars that have written glorified descriptions of the program.
Here they are now having a boy who was raised by their organization arrested for theft and fabricated spousal abuse?! Sorry Davey boy the scraggly finger is pointed right back at YOU. Your cult is done. You are incapable of applying your own policies and utterly devoid of any morals.
Not the mention the extremely obvious scare tactic for those staff that are still trapped there.
My heart goes out to my friends that are still trapped in their grasp. I can only pray that someday soon they open their eyes. Good luck to Daniel, et al. in sorting this insanity out.
Well done to the brave folks in LA!!
Daniel is a very good person and we support him in his efforts to start a new life. I am just wondering what exactly the CMO and RTC do not want Daniel to tell about being a Bridge staff member in PAC!! Having seen and received some of their “handlings”, I am sure the answer will be enlightening and will be one more nail in the coffin.
Daniel: Mark and I send you our best wishes!!
Lisa and Mark Hamilton
You are a very brave woman.
Just take care. The baby you are carring needs it. Nothing more important in this world than a mother; and you will become a very good one.
Tiziano: Make them pay for this.
I´m here in LATAM fighting the fight too.
Roberto Sánchez Núñez
Hopelessly devoted to insanity!!! DM takes the cake for stupidity, he was right when he said the blind leading the blind. He is deathly blind, stupid and most of all a coward of great magnitude.
Thank you to Tiziano, Jamie, Tom, Mike and Marty and others for your unrestrained willingness to help others. You are an example of focused determinism and what can be done by non-PTS beings.
There are many in Daniel’s position that are not strong enough to make the break and are being made weaker every day. Their family needs to take responsibility for their children and help.
I hope some footage can be recovered from Tiziano’s camera and posted effectively, perhaps on the St Pete Times, here and on YouTube. The footage may be the basis for an assault charge against the goons to at least recover the cost of the camera.
As far as what is currently called the ‘Church’ of Scientology – DM is acting like a cornered rat and rather than getting smarter he is going the other direction. This means two things: He does not have long to go before he is behind bars; and secondly he will be making more stupid and unpredictable and dangerous acts against himself and others.
The PIs are in it for the money but they are increasingly working up to the edge and past it and will not only lose their income but also their license. The Lawyers will be disbarred. One would think they have enough money and could simply get out and away before they are named in lawsuits or are in jail with Bubba along with DM.
As far as Baca goes – I have no first hand knowledge of the person but I’m guessing that a sane person would not act as he does unless there is something in the past that is being used to control him. Baca – the way out is the way through. If that is the case then just put it on the table so it loses its control over you and get on with your life. Don’t continue to shame your family and sully your public responsibility.
To the other groups that have helped with Daniel – My respect for you has increased and although I do not fully agree with you I am now visiting your websites and reading. I think there is a common desired result between us and that is the destructive actions of the Co$ be exposed and the Co$ be made to answer for its crimes. Currently the only thing I see coming from the Co$ is CRIMES. I have seen and continue to see good and helpful actions at the mission and lower org level but as one gets higher up the insanity increases and at Int, where I once was, it is a loony bin.
To Daniel – You will be fine. You are among friends. Do not think badly of your family. Right now they are hurting for what they were made to do to you. It will come out alright. Look after yourself right now and learn. “Routing out properly” has been a fiction for a few decades. WELCOME to the sunlight!!
My love to all,
Here we go:
The story has made Time.
And this is why you should always have at least one more camera than they know about. 😉
If any footage survived, get it up on YouTube and increase the chance of the story going viral. With the Internet watching, perhaps the cowboy PIs and scum lawyers will be more cautious.
Dear Leader absolutely loves the limelight. There’s another article out on this cycle: http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/10/09/scientology-defector-reportedly-jailed-in-la/
It also seems that there’s increasing litigation situations increasing the bad PR and exposure of Mestology: http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/its-judge-vs-judge-in-battle-over-scientology-lawyer/1126904
I guess it will keep Dear Leader busy at the second floor office at St Hill manor soon.
Pitching up at IAS event St Hill with huge photo signage reading FREE DANIEL – if all this ain’t blown over by then.
I can see a new campaign to free staffers using tunnels and safe houses [metaphorical ones] taking root first in and around LA and then around other staff prisons. I see Miscavige’s Church crumbling with this as the seed. Why? Because it will be seen by the staff. A lot of them sneak looks at the web. And believe it or not DM, they ain’t dumb. It’s just be Dave and Tom in his fat suit pretty soon.
Cult Attorney Monique Yingling told CNN’s Anderson Cooper about the beatings inflicted in Sea Org: “We did not call the police. We handled it as an internal matter.” Okay, so now that Daniel has blown, suddenly the Cult wants the courts and the police involved on a trumped up incident of abuse that is months old. If true, if Daniel abused his wife, then CoS is now covering up the beating of a woman internally. If untrue, then the Cult is lying.
Pick your poison Monique and Eliot: Do you protect wife-beaters or do you lie to the police and the courts? Or both?
It is now okay for all Scientologists to have the “forbidden cognition”: David Miscavige is the SP destroying the Church of Scientology. He is stuck in an electronic implant in which he thinks he is God. How long before DM starts pouring Kool-Aid?
As the old saying informs, “A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
Leave CoS now! That is the first step on the Road to Freedom. No one said it would be easy, but at least all of the Tech you learned is transportable. They can take away your certs, but not what you have learned, applied, and know to be true for you. Take your certainty with you and you make DM and CoS that much less certain.
J Swift. It is very refreshing to have folk like you are around who keep their eyes on the ball. Base hits win ball games.
I’ve always thought that Jon Anderson’s lyrics aptly described DM’s shrinking world of totalitarian paranoia:
Cage of freedom
That’s our prison
Where the jailer and captive combine
Cage of freedom
Cast in power
All the trappings of our own design
Steals our reason
We’re soon behind those invisible bars
On the inside
To make it safer we double the guard
Cage of freedom
There’s no escaping
We fabricated a world of our own….
Cage of freedom, growing smaller
‘Til every wall now touches the skin
Cage of freedom, filled with treason
Changing sides as the losses begin
Our suspicion tries escaping
But they step up the security
There’s no exit–there’s no entrance
Remember how we swallowed the key?
Cage of freedom, that’s our prison
We fabricated this world on our own….
Is there a bigger one watching you
Or is there one smaller
Who I should be watching too
Infinite circles of
Snakes eating their own tails
For every one chasing
Another is on the trail
Is that a friend
Can you tell, is he on your side?
‘Cause I spy with my little eye
Yet another spy… (fadeout)
Thanks for the post and the links.
Firstly, I want to wish Daniel well in his new-found freedom.
Secondly, I want to thank from the bottom of my heart those who are facing this suppression head on and confronting face-to-face some pretty friggin evil crap and dealing with it effectively. All you guys are kha-Khans in my book.
Third, I want to thank all the guys who are continuing to deliver standard tech in the independent field during this transition period. The show must go on, ya know!
Fourth, I looked up the definition of “Rico statutes” in a new unit of time. Here is just a brief look from Wikipedia:
The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (commonly referred to as RICO Act or RICO) is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. RICO was enacted by section 901(a) of the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970 (Pub.L. 91-452, 84 Stat. 922, enacted October 15, 1970). RICO is codified as Chapter 96 of Title 18 of the United States Code, 18 U.S.C. § 1961–1968. While its intended use was to prosecute the Mafia as well as others who were actively engaged in organized crime, its application has been more widespread.
Under RICO, a person who is a member of an enterprise that has committed any two of 35 crimes—27 federal crimes and 8 state crimes—within a 10-year period can be charged with racketeering. Those found guilty of racketeering can be fined up to $25,000 and sentenced to 20 years in prison per racketeering count. In addition, the racketeer must forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through a pattern of “racketeering activity.” RICO also permits a private individual harmed by the actions of such an enterprise to file a civil suit; if successful, the individual can collect treble damages.
It is way past the point of being blatently obvious that Miscavige is no friend to LRH, to America or to mankind. It is obvious to me that he’ll continue to play his little sadistic game until he is forced to leave. Every individual who has been deceived, damaged, had money extorted (by threat of destroying their friendships or families), been refused a valid refund in violation of the Auditors Code, had thier business destroyed by WISE because someone else gave more money to the IAS, etc. should send letters to the appropriate authorites. Enough letters-and the courts will not be able to ignore the crimes. Not enough letters and they will ignore them.
If we do not write, we allow Miscavige to continue to use LRH tech and the Church as a vehicle to suppress. If we do write, we end it.
Miscavige may well destroy the Church and blow all its funds. He may esacpe to a foreign land. He may end up in jail. I don’t care. The tech will be free. And once the tech is again free, those who apply it well, and with good heart will expand their groups. Those who squirrel and use the tech for ill-intent will fade. See the policy on Superior Service Image for what should be occurring.
I know, from my own experience that there is a fear of reporting CoS and Miscavige crimes to “authorities.” I asked myself over and over again, “am I really doing the right thing?”
At this point that question has been answered over and over. YES, it is the right thing. There is more than enough verifiable evidence to fully determine Miscavige’s actual intentions, activities and stats. There is no more doubt for those with the courage to LOOK. Miscavige is an SP. He does currently “own” the tech. He IS using it in a criminal enterprise.
We must act.
Happy Birthday, John Lennon!!
the name it’s under is:
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Sam, That was beautiful and oh so fitting. I honestly don’t think DM and company appreciate just what/who they are up against. Better wake up DM!
I’m proud of my comment – cut and pasted here:
Yes, these people really do work 80 hour weeks for $50 per week. If anyone ever wondered if Sea Org staff could simply walk out the door if they didn’t want to be there, here is the answer. The church routinely attempts to keep serious crimes like rape (Gabriel Williams, for example) away from the justice system. L Ron Hubbard himself said that there is no justice in the justice system, and I believe there is a lot of truth to that. Hubbard even created the Rehabilitation Project Force to correct staff guilty of wrongdoing. However, there are times it is appropriate for law enforcement to get involved. Pressing charges for two hard drives, worth at most $300 and later returned, is not following church policy and is extremely mean spirited. Hardly worthy of any organization professing to be a religion.
As the song goes, get on the road to freedom. The God’s honest truth is that the road to freedom leads out of the church! It’s not enough for me to walk the road, so I support Marty to help others walk this road to freedom.
Thank you Marty. This is a war of attrition against a dangerous, soul-raping cult. If it were just the money in Scientology, who would care? People spend money lavishly on vacations, home improvements, cars, yachts, gambling and whatever else people can do in a free society. But it is different in the Church of Scientology, for they destroy people.
When adults fight the Cult, the rules are understood: The Cult fights dirty and is cowardly. Okay, we understand that and accept the risks. But Daniel is only 19 years old. This story has struck a chord with every mother and father out there. Even people without kids understand that this is where the adults step in to protect a young person who is in way over his head against the Billion Dollar Cult. Many, many people have made private phone calls on Daniel’s behalf in the last 24 hours to influential people. Daniel has an army of people out here.
Marty, you never know what will be the final straw that breaks the Cult’s back. Daniel might be it. The story is traveling like wildfire. If the Cult had a brain in its cracked head, it would drop this matter and exit before the Monday news cycle powers up and David Miscavige is pilloried once again in the public square.
Every time DM screws up it reflects badly on Scientologists. Here is something to consider: Scientologists in CoS have no credibility because David Miscavige has no credibility. On the other hand, how many millions of people read Marty Rathbun’s blog in one month?
At the Anonymous protests, I asked the OT handlers why the mass and agreement was out here on the street and not in the Orgs. Events such as Daniel Montalvo are why. A Billion Dollar Cult crucifying a 19 year old kid over a mistake is yet another reason why Karma is dismantling CoS in its present form.
All my playbuddies are coming over 🙂
I’ve said a few things here and there in the press but not until recently have I posted on this or any other website as “Guess Who”.
I am busy with a new business which has to date done very well and continues to expand. It requires a lot of attention. I have already seen efforts on the church’s behalf (Dave’s behalf) to thwart our success.
Yet every day and now with Danny’s situation I have become even more committed to make Miscavige’s crimes known.
I spent my last year or so in the church working directly for him, sitting in his officer’s lounge “after hours” listening to what he had to say about Scientology; Hubbard; the Tech; staff members; public; Celebs, and studying his true motives and mind set.
I can tell you that Miscavige is backed into a corner now like a crazed and very scared animal. He continues to make mistakes digging himself in deeper and deeper and is being caught out. As a result his actions are and will become even more desperate and sinister every day. That wild animal in him is going to finally lash out in one last ditch efffort and he will throw everything he has at destroying those that will stand up to him.
My advice to everyone is BE READY, be prepared and always be willing to fight back rentlessly. He’s losing the fight and knows it.
The fact is, Miscavige is the most cowardly person you’ve ever met. That makes him very dangerous. (Really not more than your typical 1.1 SP – in the church’s own words).
I have many many many stories to tell and promise you that over the next few weeks I will make everything I know about this insane punk known to you all.
Keep fighting… I honestly think we’re about to embark on the last big battle and its going to get nastier than most would expect. Let’s push it through to a done. Together.
Tom De Vocht
Tiziano and Jamie. BALLS OF STEEL
You want movement? Get them booked on Ophra. Oh I forgot (NOT)that she isfriends with Will Smith, John Travolta and Tom Cruise.
but the again this story might pull her heart strings.
Wow, I am just catching up on the news and did so with tears in my eyes.
Daniel have you found that you have more people to turn to for help now than you did on the inside? I wouldn’t be surprised if the answer was yes.
If there was anything I could say to you from the bottom of my heart it would be this – you ARE important all by yourself as an individual and it is NOT being selfish and it’s NOT a harmful act for you to be, to do and to have what makes you happy.
If there was one LRH reference I could offer as one to maintain a strong foundation from which to create your life it would be LRH’s article – PERSONAL INTEGRITY. I’ve read it a hundred times and every time I do I get bigger. It grants more beingness IMHO than anything else I’ve read and that’s saying a lot as I’ve read 10s of thousands of pages of LRH. Sometimes I get a giggle by reading it and substituting “me” for LRH’s “you” so I get the flow of me telling me that what is true for me is true for me! What a realization!
Enjoy your new life Daniel. There is SOooooo much wonderful ahead of you. I also see you and your family enjoying a loving relationship sooner or later without intervention, prevention or detention. Keep the faith son.
Tom, Marty, Tiziano, Jamie, Mike – you guys earned the big acknowledgements for your compassion and care for this boy. Tom, I hope you especially take a big win on the very special effect you created in Daniel way back when – ya know!? Good on ya!
Domestic abuse is considered pretty serious under California law. A cop with reason to believe an individual has committed an assault on his/her spouse can be arrested and taken to jail, despite the victim’s refusal to press charges.
Assuming that all charges against Daniel are completely bogus, of course,
I am wondering what the burden of legal responsibility would be on the “church” if they knew a member was beating his wife (especially if it happened more than once) but did NOT report to law enforcement? Would they be in anyway culpable if (they claim) they prevented/ did not encourage a victim to seek the protection of authorities, and thus prevented a spousal abuser (in this case a made-up one) from being arrested?
ps – you should have my donation by now. 😉
…he lights the fire Wherein one day he must burn.
Very powerful. Thanks.
Tiziano you’re the man. !!!!
Better recognize your brothers…everyone you meet!
The way to understand DM hobby horsing on this spousal abuse train, is to find out what has happened to Shelly Miscavige. Pull her out next. Or find the body?
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My God, the coward Miscavige lives in his palace while we, the Independents, are being arrested and persecuted. For how long guys?
Tiziano and Jamie, my hat is off to you! I cannot say more to you than a big thank you for standing up despite all the cowards in the SO. Yes, Sea Org you have denigrated LRH and just a couple there has put all of you down. For Freedom of a Thetan. Daniel is free because of 2 thetans who didn’t surrender to your BS. Sea Org you are a disgrace. You are just a bunch of machines operating on automatic now. Far from LRH intended. So people know you by your in-actions, now. Tiziano and Jamie are the example for all on the planet and it ain’t Tom Cruise film now. This is real life and you are the spectators. Sea Org I am glad I left and kept my sanity. You are ALL a disgrace now.
ROFLMAO!! Check out this comment on the Time article:
LOL!! Hey, Topo, you forgot a line: “We are Borg.”
Oh boy! This is REALLY getting interesting!
At the Gates of St Hill 2009
Friday 15th October from around 15:00, we’ll be there again on the sunny side of the road to watch the glum faces and the empty buses.
What an announcement! I feel the shudders already now.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
A correction, probably unnecessary, since you guys are bright enough to figure this out yourselves: I meant to say that the individual suspected of abuse can be arrested by police, not the police themselves could be arrested.
Can’t wait for your stories. LRH said that a stuck flow only flows harder, it doesn’t flow weaker. DM is on a complete stuck flow and I could see things getting worse and worse up until I left in late 2003. It will be interesting to learn how much harder that flow became.
Marty, I wish the Giants would read those last words. For a month now it has been homers or nothing.
Thought Provoking, I feel for you. It must be hard not knowing how much, if anything, of what you’ve been told by your church is true. If you want to take a fresh look at the Time Warner litigation, there are some links on this page (under “Defamation Litigation”): http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/List_of_lawsuits_lost_by_Scientology
Wise words honorable chieftan.
I wonder when the LA sherrifs are gonna realize that as long as they keep doing the church’s bidding, they run the risk of getting sued for millions of dollars for civil rights violations.
Whew, I had to catch my breath after reading this post. I wasn’t sure if I was reading a blog or watching a Jason Bourne movie!!
DM and his Church have, through their actions in throwing every dirty trick they have at a hapless 19 year old, have now announced themselves to be COMPLETELY at effect of the indies. This situation marks their downward spiral like no other. They will never recover from the massive black PR campaign they are currently running against themselves.
Tiziano, bro, you have brass ones!!
Good going Fidelio.
Another issue I didn’t even raise in my loooooong comment is that of Bait & Switch. Technically, Bait & Switch is when you go to buy one thing and are then encouraged to instead buy something bigger & better (more expensive).
In this case, regarding the cult, it’s actually very literal; people thought they were buying LRH courses/auditing but instead were delivered Miscavige/Golden Age or whatever you want to call it. This is no small matter. Think MASSIVE fraud.
Imagine being regged for your next service and being told the course/auditing isn’t LRH but something the untrained, unaudited dwarf thinks we all need. Would you buy? Of course not. Nobody would.
If anyone resides in another country and is sending complaints to the agencies listed make sure you cc your ambassador to the US and do send them a copy.
” All this for a 19 years old kid”
For Church of Scientolavery – a good dedicated- intelligent and healthy young guy – is the 2 nd ressource on what the Miscavige business sit and could exist!
Free labor : slavery ( as much are escaping he needs to tighten up the chains as the int base will be soon an abandonned labour camp)
And money : Money alle the scientologist are giving to ”buy thei freedom” through services donations and to buy squirreled media – plus alle the money they are giving for the Pope Miscavige – smartly – accumulate property – for when there no more parissionner to pay – and alle the money they give to save the scientology (Miscavige)form attacks
This is mainly what the business is..
Build a property asset – sell books and tapes – enslave people to do the work for free – some rice and beans – sleeping on the floor -and collect money for the poor church in danger…
No money – no slaves = no more church!
I am so shamed tha i have been a ”proud member” of this!
Anyway – well done to Daniel – thank’s he knew some good guys out to help him and take care of him throug the first assaults on him!
And may he gets a good family to live with – go to school and have the chance to learn of doing what HE wish to do for others in his life – may he feel free and happy soon – free of any verbas – mental or physical violence and feel good and secure in this new world to discover!
Good Luck Daniel – this will be resolved soon and they will let you alone when they realize they lost any power on your own determinisn and you lost your fear and enjoy your new freedom – the dangerous guys turns into few robot bugs !
YOU are a good example for the INT base children who wish to leave! There is family member outside that are there to care of you and to help for a good new departure!
Well done… very well done – I am so happy to see on of them free for starting HIS own life!
Miscavige – there is something stupid in your mental – you need all these slaves – and you do not want them to reproduce ..so…statistically – if a lot are escaping and no children left…the account will be zero soon…. Waouuuuuuuuuuuuuu ! This is very sad to be alone in a bigggggggggggg huuuuugeeeeeeeeeeeee luxurous resort without any slave! Look in the mirror..and beat this guy lol
This is about the 3 or 4 th dynamic – you should read the ethics book..the genuine one that you are hiding! You will understant that your are killing yourself and you are your own ennemy! Ah AH!
Did you see the part where it said there were no reports on file? How can that be? I thought all corporations had to file a yearly report.
Ha ha ha! Hey, I’ve been using OTDT since 1989!
Wow, thanks so much, Tom. Advice well taken.
(OMG – it´s him !! With Tom now turning up the volume it´s absolutely going to squeeze the last gallons of venom out of DM with great velocity aiming at those we already know plus anyone he feels is on his way. So yes, we will continue to keep ourselves up-to-date and be ready, together.)
Wishing you continuing success with new business and in all parts of life, happiness.
This whole episode just doesn’t add up. It doesn’t make sense. Even for an organization as stupid as the CofS.
Why such a horrendous response from the CofS for such a minor event?
Something else is going on underneath all the noise. I know from the posts that the CofS considers that it can use this episode to damage Mike and Marty et al, but that only would be a consideration if in fact they COULD use the episode for that purpose. If there is no real chance of doing so, why would the CofS continue such incomprehensible idiocy?
Either something is going on which is hidden from us, or the withhold that was missed is of mythic proportions to produce such a outrageous and heavyhanded response.
Does anyone know what was on those discs?
Does this lad ‘know’ something?
Is this whole boondoggle and attempt to steer attention away from something else?
There is something there, that is for sure.
I’m often silently critical of those anons and others who have had harm done to them by the CofS, such as assault, stalking, etc., but never use these incidents to hit back. I’m quiet about it because who am I to be critical? But, if such assaults etc., are not reported, not acted upon, the CofS would consider it a weakness, and up the ante in later incidents, push the envelope.
And I fear maybe this series of incidents is one of those escalations.
Eventually the evil will be fully exposed and eviscerated, but that will NEVER happen unless even ‘minor’ incidents go unreported and unpunished.
That’s my unsolicited opinion.
Thank you very much for posting, Tom. It’s almost laughable (if it weren’t for the lives being harmed, it would be) how the church continues to foot bullet itself. It was the Freedom article that clinched the deal for me as to your credibility! And it was the enforced study of the Freedom mag that has this young man escaping. you couldn’t script it any better!
The irony is all of the lies are simply necessary. People do want Scn tech. People generally don’t care about misdeeds, once admitted to. I mean, the State of Man lectures are pretty on point. But making others guilty of committing overt acts — well, we all know that’s the biggest crime of all. And the more the church tries to do this, the more it backfires on them.
Anyway, I’m glad to hear this guy is out and getting some protected space. It’s sad that his life is now filled with more hostile drama due to getting help from you guys, but in the end I think it’ll work out for the best.
I think this is clever anti-Scientology sarcasm.
How did Daniel manage to get on the internet in the first place? I’m curious because I”m hoping something has changed and SO members are now able to access the internet – because the they will be able to access the truth. I was under the impression that almost no SO members have access to the internet and those that do have heavily restricted, monitored access. I’m sure sites like this blog, WWP, etc.. are completely blocked for all CoS computers save those that spy/harass critics. Is internet access becoming available in the SO? When did this happen? If used right, and we could reach them, there could be a flood of SO members blowing.
I am totally disgusted and unfortunately ashamed into thinking that I (and the rest of trusting beings) had contributed with money and precious time to what has become a true abomination of LRH’s life’s work and gift to mankind by David Miscavige and his real SPs. I am equally outraged that this Cof$ has the suppressive cojones to harass, kidnap and make such false accusations about anyone who willingly spend their lives helping mankind and it’s many travails.
My god, what on earth needs to happen to get law officials to just look at what is true? Does the Sheriff of LA need to grow a conscience? Perhaps he should just BE the Sheriff and DO what he took an OATH to do – Serve and Protect ALL peoples and property of LA County! Fairly and Honestly.
All officers of the court (lawyers and attorneys of LA including police and sheriffs, are bound by oath and law to fairly protect everyone equally. No where does it state that it’s OK to turn your backs on controversial allegations (by either parties involved) without INVESTIGATING what is True and what is False. THAT’S THEIR JOBS!!!!!!!!!! If any of their children or other family were under the present circumstances of Daniel Montalvo, would they just let some ethically-challenged lawyers and PIs “railroad” their family? What goes around, comes around. For everyone!
What amazes me about these injustices, is that most people aiding and abetting those injustices NEVER think of what their own wives, husbands, children and the rest how they FEEL about those injustices. Sure as hell I wouldn’t want to face my spouse/children/family when THEY DO HEAR/SEE the TRUTH!!!! Familial Hell To Pay!! OH and BY the WAY, ALSO your Bosses and Co-Workers and Clients/Customers.
A 19 year old guy wants his freedom because of injustices, false promises and just plain suppressive actions done to him and others he has witnessed.
I invite the LA Sheriff to at least read Marc Headley’s book “Blown for Good: Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology”. Just LOOK.
I’ve been emailing the links to the story to every news outlet, TV, radio, newspapers, Catholics, Hispanics I can find with a personal note to get them to cover this!
my donation is in….please use it Daniel for whatever you need!
I like what I am feeling here…..unity between many people that were once separated by this CULT. Regardless of beliefs, all of us want one thing…..
Miscavige sitting next to Bubba! We have all come together to create a community of caring people who all want this house of cards to fall. The monster that sits in his “castle” at GOLD is hanging by a string. Well, it’s about to be severed forever Davey. Your days of basking in glory are just about over. Funny how he thinks he is untouchable isn’t it?
Thanks to all that helped this young man I will never meet, but will hold dear in my heart. May he have a chance at a wonderful, happy, prosperous life.
The tears shed for Daniel are a lock on earlier engram for the parishioners and Phil Spickler’s recent video is a part of that engram: the Mission Holder fiasco. I can’t tell you how many tears were shed and it was all over callous disregard for the sanctity of THETA. The CofS demonstrated as a body politic that it didn’t care and never has since…only for its own advantage but this “own advantage” is really DM’s. Owen Starkey (who is not like his brother and is tech trained) was doing work with the G.O. at the time and stated that ALL ENEMIES of the church had dropped their law suits because the CofS had instituted a new policing of 2-way comm with their enemies. This was a result of the DEOPRESSION tech that was highly confidential and written by LRH based upon the French Revolution whereby you have to give people who are downtrodden what they demand so that they do not overthrow you. BUT, you have to control or tame the demand because if you don’t, they will keep demandming more and more (like a spoiled child). It is a balancing act. So, LRH’s missionaires had everyone on staff interviewed and asked questions like “What is oppressing you?” and so on. The summarized assessment resulted in better conditions for the staff which included more time off and better base pay and saner conditions in general. This new “attitude” was spreading to the field as well and there was an osmosis factor, a quantum resonance. The staff became way more lenient and understanding to the field, particularly the mission holders and the mission holders started stating their grievances. They began to swirl like sharks surrounding a cornered animal and the animal was management. No one knew who was managing Scientology. Bill Franks, gauging the sentiment of the times, was fostering and feeding this rebellion for his own advantage but also because he knew it was right and it would have happened with or without Franks. Franks had his own agenda to take over all of Scientology (after all, he was the ED INT) and this was never missed by the LRH Comm Network. He would NEVER have gotten that far. Both Franks and Kerry Gleason were secretly (or perhaps not so secretly) targetting the CMO. Of course, this was behind the scenes while EVERYONE was agreed on targetting the Guardian’s Office as the biggest WHO.
Thus, there was a huge revolution and it stretched across all echelons and units of Scientology. Many of the staff were relatively oblivious and even the higher management staff were oblivious to all the subtle nuances that were taking place.
Sorry for the long post, but Franks was busted and taken to Int, most likely engineered by DM. This was considered a super outrage by the mission holders because they now KNEW Franks had no power and they all believed in him and considered him a general of generals, like TC thinks of DM. Franks was chump change in any event. He neither made or broke this revolution and was completely expendable, but he rode the wave and was a part of the catalyst. LRH warned about power and this story gets more “powerful”. No one properly understood the power formula. All of this was a reaction to LRH’s deoppression tech but no one seemed to take relevant notice (save for myself and I became targetted in a curious and rather ineffective way – it backfired).
As the mission holders swarmed like sharks, David Mayo, DM, and Jens Bogvad took center stage. Norman Starkey came as their bodyguard but he stayed outside mostly and acted like a clown. I was one of very few management staff who even was interested in listening. It was my hat to be there. Jens had no credibility because he was having sex with Franks’ wife. That did not go over well. Mayo was clueless and I think he considered the whole mission an intrusion on his busy schedule. He only wanted to be a techie and this, amongst a few other miscalculations, led to his downfall. DM, however, was not clueless. He calmed everybody down and made them think they were heard. The next thing I knew, de-op was cancelled and LRH was fed a bunch of lies. A new tech called Rollback was released on everyone to find out how the CofS had been infiltrated. Ray Mithoff cancelled all ARC Breaks that Flag pc’s had with this incident. In other words, if you were giving up ARC breaks in session about this subject, you had to go to ethics. Ray laid his cards on the table and he was out tech ever since. Those who are mean spirited might think he deserves every beating he ever got from DM. It is, however, “Prediction and Consequences”.
You know the rest of the history. De-Op tech never resurfaced and you never hear it mentioned. It was LRH’s tech that started the rebellion. Thomas Jefferson said the USA needs a rebellion every ten years or so to keep it on the rails. Scn is no different. Where LRH stands exactly on these comm lines is still a mystery but DM had taken the crucial power lines as was jamming LRH’s POWER which the field and even the staff were now beginning to enjoy like no other time in the history of Dn and Scn.
Now, I should add that some of these Mission Holders would have gone straight to the jugular and taken LRH’s power if they could. They were not all that evolved. Phil Spickler is an example of an evolved mission holder. Mission Holders sometimes carried a baby bottle but certainly not all. All of them, however, were vulnerable and unwitting souls.
LRH said that the secret to the original OT VIII (objective cause over MEST) was the rekindling of failed purpose. His De-Op tech was rekindling failed purpose like no had ever seen and has not even come close since.
This situation with Daniel is rekindling many people’s failed purpose and it brings an esprit de corps not seen lately. Even the press is in on it! They also would have supported the Mission Holder agenda because you have to remember that LRH stated that Scn is the game where EVERYONE wins. That includes the ex-Scn message board and haters.
All of DM’s power is derived from LRH’s power and all of LRH’s power stems from what he could either do for people or what he could make them dream. There is more to the story but it is this power which scares the hell out of people on the message board that think Marty and/or Mike are going to take over the reins of Scn. So what? Who cares? Get a life! But I can tell you this. LRH said the old org board of the Roman Empire still exists. It just isn’t so obvious. Well, I have noticed is that ex Sea Org members often work in the same area of endeavor that they did on staff. A treasury person who is now a banker. An auditor who is now a counselor. An HCO person who works in security. Well, whether they like it or not, Marty is still the Inspector General and Mike is still OSA. They can’t help it and its not a bad thing. Besides his many personal abilities and credible works, Marty has garnished attention (both good and bad) because of the POWER LINES he was on and is still on due to his access to power by being close to DM. Same for Mike. The power of LRH, properly applied (and that is a very touchy subject), is designed to help. If you disagree, then know this if you question LRH’s motives: IT CAN BE APPLIED SO AS TO HELP. LRH is not here now so what he would do is a moot point.
I have some more things to say that are relevant to this discussion, but this is too long now. I will say that if you want to really understand LRH’s unique view of himself and POWER, particularly the POWER CHANGE formula, read his book “Final Blackout”. It all about POWER CHANGE and shows you how LRH viewed the starkness of life. He rips the idea of “Headquarters” to shreds which any old missionaire will understand if they ever had an inept Mission Ops.
As for Daniel Montalvo, he is the most recent in a chain of incidents that goes back decades to a callous disregard of life, theta and human decency. Like Elian Gonzalez, he is a poster boy. Marty, I don’t know if you ever studied or saw the deopression tech (I am sure Mike did), but you and the others are engaged in the process.
Here’s another surprise. LRH said (and it can be demonstrated) that when tech is properly delivered, there are ZERO complaints from the public. The only way detractors will be shut up is not to argue with them but to deliver that which is adequate and necessary for a certain purpose.
The public and haters actually harbor secret desires that Scn can work and will work. They just have not seen it in thirty years.
Release the dogs of hell Catdaddy!!
I dont speak for Anonymous (who can?)
But I’d say OF COURSE Anonymous, Old Guard, Indepenents and Critics are coming together on this.
I may not believe in LRH’s version of reality, but I respect others freedom to believe in what ever they want. And to get the Hell away from Miscavige’s dangerous cult.
That is fantastic Tom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is so good to have you here.
I will definitely back up this action!!
Marty had so many great things to say about you when I was with him. It is impressive the integrity that you have. I am so glad to be on the right side with quality people all around me.
I loved the “shovel” story!!
Tiziano and Jamie and all the others involved, YOU ROCK!!!
DM is definitely the Thong “Queen” of the SCN Borg. Mwahahahaha.
Thanks for the update. Always wondered how Dear Leader’s top lieutenants, quite a few of them actually, are in favor one day and in the “Hole” the next. Such is job security under Dear Leader, unlike just simple up statistics as required by LRH.
Definitely with you, and can’t wait till your stories come out!
Tiziano and Jamie, Marty, Tom and Mike, and others,
Please accept my utter admiration. What you are doing here is historic and will be looked upon in the rearview mirror within its relative significance. This is perhaps a watershed event. It’s now all come to a head.
What I’ve characterized as a waterfall event is full on. CoM is going down. We best put on our seat belts.
The (d)emonic (m)idget’s going out with a bang. Wrong eval’s his thang.
Also, Marty, thank you for everything you do. A special acknowledgment. Accolades!
With sincere regard, Tom Gallagher
Go Tom, words of encouragment and words of wisdom. Let’s get him out now, awaiting for your stories to be posted here. Thank you.
The flaw in this action – if true – is that is is being played out on Church ground and thus violates LRH’s policy letter “Battle Tactics”. It furthermore opens the door to allow a Court pass judgment on matters that happened inside the Church. This in turn is an argument you have been using – successfully – to block other matters from getting anywhere in the courts of the U.S. Could be like biting the hand that feeds you.
Turns out Eliott Abelson went to court – with no notice to Daniel – representing Daniel’s wife alleging physical spousal abuse purportedly occuring several months ago. Never reported to the police of course.”
Couldn’t agree with you more.
This is the beginning of the end.
Super Cool Announcement.
Thank you Tom de Vocht !
Daniel Montalvo is more important than he can ever know.
He has galvanized a community into a true 3rd dynamic as witnessed by this blog and others coming together by his action to simply leave the ABUSE.
This is a “Church” that simply will not LET GO.
++++++When you ask to leave, they entrap you for months even a year or 2 with sec checks and threats of DECLARE (Disconnection from all family) if you leave without THEIR authorization.
++++++If you blow, they do blow drill….send Security “guards” after you and other staff to kidnap you back.
++++++If you have successfully fled they THREATEN dire consequences to leaving without doing the routing form
++++++If you return to route out, they POUNCE with punishments, lockdown, kidnap with guards, more THREATS, threats to cut off all family, threats to imprison you…
++++++And if you successfully completely leave and want nothing to do with the Church, they will do whispering campaigns, issue tissue of LIES in declares and build HATE websites against you, still CONNECTING that blown member to their Church websites and magazines. “FREEDOM Magazine” ~~
They cannot let go.
It is fear of what you will whistleblow what goes on inside.
There are so many SECRETS.
There would not be so many SECRETS if they were clean.
That is why you have to, on video, sign 1″ thick pages of documents on video camera at Office of Special Affairs International on Hollywood Boulevard signing away your rights to speak freely, think freely, read the Internet and make Internet friends freely and so on.
Marty and Mike have affirmed more than once that the documents signed at OSA INT are WORTHLESS. They are also co-erced by OSA INT staff and would not stand up in a Court of Law.
THANK YOU TOM….
all out love
nate and mona
I do not know you personally but you are one beautiful SOB (I mean being) as far as I can see.
Thank you for clearing up the mystery of “Guess Who.”
I feel the same thing with DMs tone. He is moving solidly into desperation and will “do anything” to save his own ass. Sad to see, at one level, but he has created his own Hell and now has to live in it, friendless, alone, and yes, terrified. I doubt that he can even any longer believe his own lies that he is somehow “winning”.
I am contributing somewhat to the battle. Hope I am being of some help.
Tiziano and Jamie – the hawt Italian Dude and his fierce Dudess! I am in awe of your cleverness and courage. I see what you did there, and my hat is off to you as well as the unamed person who who was at the ready to whisk young Daniel to safety. To those exes and indies who wonder why so many of were motivated into action 3 years ago, THIS IS WHY! This is why most of us protest, and will continue to pay attention and to speak out about the crimes of the Co$ whenever the opportunity presents itself.
And Daniel. Stay strong and safe, you are among good friends – I know they will not abandon you as you have been so horribly abandoned in the past by those who should’ve been there to protect you and love you. Take this as a lesson that in spite of all the awfulness that is and can be in the world, that there is also the reality of tremendous good. There are so many of us who are just regular imperfect people out here rooting for you, who want you to do well, more importantly to live well and be happy. It is my belief and sincere hope that you have a long life ahead of you to make that happen.
And again, huge thanks and kudos to Mike and Marty and Tom and Jason and all of theres who had the courage and the fortitude to step up for this young man.
DM…you can’t beat the web! Instead of handling Daniel in the normal fashion of a civilized person, you send your goons after a kid.
Two days ago, typing Daniel Montalvo would have netted nothing. Today, there are roughly 150 blogs and news agencies that are accessing your assault on someone who just wanted to leave.
Don’t believe me, type “Daniel Montalvo”, Scientology and look for yourself. And that is just the beginning…you have stepped over the line.
Danny had access to wifi system at Bridge because he was the admin for their computers and stat reports. So he had the password to get on web sites that are otherwise blocked. Plus he is inherently a computer geek like his dad, a very good friend of mine, Luis. Luis, wake up buddy!
Could be, although I know people with that attitude. :0
Are the Lugli’s going to at least take Kelly to small claims court for the breaking of the video camera? All they need is a copy of the police report called in that night. No attorney needed. There is a small filing fee and a bit of a wait to get the case heard but it’s something. The judge rules on the merits of the case in small claims. Daniel can do a written affidavit as a witness. The judge won’t be very happy about what happpened to them. If Kelly is a no-show, they win by default. Just an idea..
Question, if LRH was saving this kid, would he be asking for donations?
I know that comes off really mean and rude but it’s just an honest question. Whenever someone asks for donations, my alarms go off. So please don’t take offense to what I’m saying, I’m just wondering if anybody could turn my alarms off, in a manner of speaking.
I saw a recent post from Devo. I wanted to add a few words about tom Devocht (Devo). I worked with him in CMO CW. I know him less well than others, but I know him pretty darn well. Tom was married to Jenny at the time. I can not believe the transformation I saw in Jenny on the Anderson show. She has turned into something I can not even recognize. She used to be a laughing type, playing franks and it felt like family in CMO CW. And Tom was a major part of that. He was the glue for CMO CW. Whatever was coming down the lines, Tom would often make it palitable. He wasn’t the CO all the time, he got busted as often as everyone else – CO’s got it bad constantly.
i wanted to vouch he is of good character – I dare anyone to find a single SO member that dealt with him (at least in my time) who was not grateful for knowing the guy.
As for his knowledge of DM – it is beyond reproach. Tom in the minds of others (and mine) was almost like a brother to DM. When DM came down to FLB, Tom was always the first guy he saw, and often the last guy to see him before he left. Tom and DM had a very close bond and I beleive Tom when he us me that DM spoke to him. It was legendary (but true) that in CW Tom and DM would speak – and no one could speak to DM is such a casual way as Tom could. Others would not dare or just didn’t have that connection. WDC members shuddered before him, but Tom had this connection.
I heard about what happened with Devo and DM, and how DM basically turned on him like an animal. Tom always worked harder than anyone to please that bastard and when Tom tells you DM shared personal things with him, I know it’s true.
Let Tom come out with what he wants, when he wants. Tom was never a guy to rush things, but when he finally got around to doing shit, he did it right.
Daniel was their ADMIN at bridge? Oh gollygee….that explains the cult’s rage.
I will turn your alarms off. It’s not Marty’s kid. Nor Tiziano’s. Nor Tom’s. Nor Jason’s. His mother and father have acted in a fashion that put him in jail. Apples and oranges No One.
And well done!
Time has eaten my comment sadly.
They are a bit sensitive to the Anon ways since the person-of-the-year thingy *coughcough*
All Danny was trying to do was take his music with him – his ONLY personal possesion of any importance to him – and because he was under fire couldn’t take the time to work out which hard drive had the music on it so took them all. He returned them the others immediately after he found which one had his music collection.
So I had the same question as you and got a chance to ask Peter Mansel (CO OSA FLAG) that very question last week. I was picking Danny up from his grandmother’s house, where he had been set up to have OSA show up to threaten him. Peter was VERY concerned about those hard drives and it made me feel the same as you, “WTF??” As a matter of fact, it’s ALL he was concerned about! He even told me, “Danny doesn’t matter and I don’t care if he does go back with you, but what I need are those hard drives!” So I asked Peter what the hell is on them and he told me! They had Bridge Publications staff Life Histories, confessional/sec check KR’s and stats of the Gross Book Sales internationally along with other things. As a side note and to my utter surprise he added, “And of course we would not want anyone using data from sec checks or confessionals and making them public!” As you can imagine having had data out of my own PC folders issued in the St Pete Times I “lost it”.
Anyway, more on robot Mansel later. Here is my take on the situation in answer to your question:
I don’t know that there is anything else behind it but this… Miscavige made the release of the BASIC BOOKS his latest big victory and a way to make more millions. You know, another retread of lower levels, AGAIN. We don’t even need the Church’s stat reports and sec check KRs to know what is going on. We know the books were being debited off people’s accounts without authorization (and to reduce liabilities i.e., potential refund requests), to the tune of hundres of thousands of dollars if not millions. In some cases pallets (more than 20 in one case!) of the books were drop shipped to peoples lawns and warehouses. These pallets had supposedly been sent to libraries around the world. (There are two active Scientologists on my lines here in the Clearwater area, that have such pallets stashed away! – OSA take note!) And it was all done so the chump Miscavige could say, “Highest ever!” followed by, “You see what a great guy I am! I did it all by myself, too! I’m the man!” at the next event.
Listen – if anyone wants to understand Miscavige’s mind, think like the most spoiled rotten little brat you can imagine. If he doesn’t get his way, if you look at him wrong or don’t agree or don’t do what he asks and he doesn’t feel like #1 or god forbid tell him “no”: he’s going to throw the most irresponsible and psychotic tantrum you could ever imagine. It’s as simple as that, except now give that brat unlimited funds and attorneys! The fact remains, without the funds and attorney’s he’s no more than a brat.
I’m telling this to you from experience – if you can think of such a brat with all that power, you’ve duplicated David Miscavige completely and won’t find his actions so mysterious. Scary yes, but not mysterious. Actually, you can predict his future actions with it.
It’s high time Miscavige gets what he deserves: one hell of a spanking!
Hope this helps a little.
Tom De Vocht
Thank you for everything you’ve done and are about to do. In gratitude, next July I promise to bring The Macallan instead of Laphroaig.
Not intended to derail but just add some really uplifting music to the evening —
Not only is he handsome, as equally talented as the uber famous Josh Groban, married to a gorgeous woman — he’s been key in helping Danny Montalvo.
(my prediction — Tiziano will soon be THE next David Foster discovery) (my crystal ball rarely misses) 🙂
Good things DO happen to good people.
Aaron, it is very honorable to you to speak up for Tom Devocht like this. Thank you.
Michael A. Hobson
Ron Hubbard would doubtless have paid for it out of his pocket. But our people did not have that option as their pockets are simply not deep enough. Capische?
Michael A. Hobson
Yeah, I would say that it’s apples and oranges. I know most of us have some charge on donations, but we should just as-is it and be able to look at each thing in it’s own unit of time.
Marty isnt bullshitting you with slick but phony “stats” and promises of campaigns that wont actually be run. He’s just asking if anybody wants to help out with handling this situation. A Scientologist friend of mine used to say “Pay or produce”. If you arent there and cant produce something on the scene, then you can help out with money.
Just because the help button and you sense of responsibility was abused by the church shouldnt mean that you are now unable to help here where it’s needed.
Tom — couldnt agree with you more. Miscavige defines the word coward. He uses Monique Yingling to front for him. Or Tommy Two-Tone. Or Dave Lubow. He is in hiding. The only people he can confront are those who have been cowed or tricked into believing his bs. And his spokespeople have taken on his yellow pall. The other little Dave (Lubow) told me in the last 24 hours that he would only talk if I turned off the video camera and then today, after he set up a video camera on a tripod across the street from my house said I was “harassing” him when I walked over to see what he was up to — because I was videoing him! Their idiocy (and desperation) grows by the day. Video to follow soon. And I think it is time we sat down and made a list of all the things we need to get out in the open. No more Mr. Nice Guy. Not after Danny. See you tomorrow. Mike
The eagle has landed and the fat man walks alone.
Watch for the lady in sunglasses and pink floppy hat.
no one – THAT’S the outpoint you see regarding this posting? WTH is wrong with you?
LRH would simply use Legal defence fund accounts or SO Reserves. Your question is foolish and screams of ulterior motive.
Where are your alarms when it comes to breaking up familes, slave wages,harrassment,and the many other issues raised here. If its just money is what trggers your alarms, how about the IAS. You didnt mention them. Their institutionalized regging should have blown out your ear drums by now.
Odd that with the magnitude of the human issue of a young mans life being discussed, all you offer is a cheap and irrelevant challenge.
Take a look at yourself and what your doing. Hopefully an alarm will go off that might help you really wake up.
It is reasonable to assume that the courts would not want to get involved in official church policy. The courts, however, do not make waves like they used to decades ago. There is much money and graft involved and it is agenda ridden. No one wants to make waves. It often takes OUTRAGEOUS misbehavior that is 200% unimpeachable to get a conviction. What is very peculiar about this situation, however, is the corporate structure of the church itself. If you look at the Special Boards of Director provisions, who are appointed for life, it states that they may only be replaced by an attorney who is either approved or in good standing with the California State Bar Association. Do you know where the California State Bar Association resides on the org board? It is a part or division of the State Supreme Court of California. This means that if the Justice Department did not like a Special Director of CST, they could disbar them and they would automatically be disqualified. This is a violation of the separation of church and state. I have seen people bristle at the suggestion that there is a conspiracy by Meade Emory, etc. Well, I don’t know who suggested those by-laws but they are bonkers whether you are inside or outside the church. My opinion is that the original enemies of LRH and Scientology are very happy with the way things are. I will offer some more on the corporate structure that has been completely missed by Larry Brennan. He has volumes of info and experience but he is late on the chain.
I can understand your alarms may go off when donations are asked for as it may remind you of the cult’s deceitful, lying, fraudulent regging. In fact, it’s not regging at all.
Remember point 1 of the Code of Honor:
“Never desert a comrade in need, in danger or in trouble.”
If there was ever someone “in need, in danger or in trouble” it’s 19 year old Daniel.
LRH would have paid what was needed to rescue Daniel out of his pocket then thrown a certain little dwarf out on his butt.
The people who are no longer affiliated with the cult may not have a pocketful of money so people pool what they can when the need arises.
I hope you feel okay about this now. If you wish to help out, it’s safe to do so.
Rest well tonight young Daniel. You are in the care of very good people, who no doubt can handle whatever necessary to assist you…know that you have many more of us here and around the planet who care and are keeping watch over YOU and this situation in ways you do not realize.
You are young and unaware just yet of the important role you are in…and perhaps that is just as well, as the magnitude might overwhelm even the bravest of hearts!
Be of courage and good cheer! Keep your head clear and know that there are many people…those with you now..and those all around the globe who are proud of you.
You are surrounded by Angels…in person and in spirit. 🙂
I know it is not a perfect substitute for the real thing from your own mom,…but I am sending you some hugs tonight…from me, another mother who cares. 🙂
Several hardcore scientology/LRH/Marty/Mike critics have donated to this cause. Not because the “enemy of my enemy is my friend,” but because we all have a fundamental understanding of a young man in need. A young man being steamrolled by forces much larger than himself.
If Marty had indicated that Chocolate chip cookies would help, Chocolate chip cookies would have been offered. In fact, I think I saw at least one person specifically donate a cheeseburger. Simple humanity. It aint about the bucks, it’s about the boy.
Frankly, this is the kind of help a church should be offering. I am happy to do my part: 356470594G873621C
Wow! Thanks for sharing this.
See you tomorrow Mike – great idea!
Over 3000 hits right now. World, meet Daniel.
Thank you for sharing the time track of DM’s special friendship with Tom deVocht.
It was the eye witnessing of violence and brutality on Tom de Vocht up at INT base that was the final straw for Marty and precipitated his final blow from DM’s cult.
According to a posting done by Steve Hall on this website ~~~
Steve stated that Miscavige had an affair with Jenny de Vocht (while she was still married to Tom and DM was married to Shelly. It also explains why SHELLY is *missing.*
By the way, I mentioned some weeks ago that allegedly Jenny De Vocht had an affair with Dave. There are two sources for that information: Shelly Miscavige and Tom DeVocht. Both knew about the affair, but were powerless inside the Church to stop it. Shelly went to Tom and demanded he do something about (1) the ongoing affair and (2) the fact that Dave was coming unglued… what LRH called “Type III” i.e., Dave ranting about buried treasure, trying to “ground out” mental energy by grasping thick copper cables, imagining himself surrounded by enemies, claiming to be the “pope” of Scientology, and drinking heavily. When Dave found out Shelly had spoken to Tom she vanished.
All of you who are actively fighting for Daniel’s freedom are doing a phantastic job ! Absolutely stellar !
Up to now noone had ever been able to counter the church’s terror groups ( guardian office or OSA ). Even organized activists had failed ( e.g. the groups of Bill Robertson, David Mayo, Bob Minton ).
But nothing remains forever.
The church’s terror groups have practiced divide and conquer against their perceived enemies since decades. Often they succeeded in splitting those who had united against them.
Lo and behold, these days they manage to unite their various and rather different opponents ! More and more video tapes etc. are being collected. And sooner or later someone will put all this evidence together … and suddenly it will become fully obvious for everyone ( including law inforcement, all kinds of press and tv ) that this “church” is in fact a criminal racket / mob / mafia …
We seem to live in historical times 🙂
Thank you for this. I appreciate any clarification of the events of the early 80’s. I was brand new then. Was at one of the missions that closed. I will be re reading your post as well.
“The public and haters actually harbor secret desires that Scn can work and will work. They just have not seen it in thirty years.”
Tiziano and Jamie, you are truly Heroic.
This accusation from another “wife” is getting so predictable. Does DM realize how stupid he looks.
From these actions against Daniel, DM is getting probably the worst press he has ever had. Is it that worth it to him to scare other young Sea Org members?
My take on this is that David Misavige has determined he cannot stop the information from coming out, therefore, he must try to hold the line at staff jumping ship. I’m beginning to truly wonder if the koolade’s coming.
To all of you in Los Angeles, thank you for what you are doing for Daniel.
Daniel you are in great hands. DM you have opened yourself up for an investigation on this one. DM it is OVER.
Jamie and Tiziano a huge CONGRATULATIONS to you both.
Tom! So great that you are writing. Looking forward to all you have to say. And so theta of you to offer Daniel housing and employment like you did.
metaqual – I appreciate your posts and ability to link events that allow a perspective and placement in time of the events.
Wait for it…
“trying to “ground out” mental energy by grasping thick copper cables”
but it doesn’t seem that all the little devils are leaping onto those copper cables. If I were him, I wouldn’t ask Moxon to help him with those cables. Normally I’d consider that below the belt but . . .
Mother says, Operation Breakfast is good to go.
I’m reminded of the Keith Henson incident in that I recall the Riverside County Sheriff engaging in some similarly slimy behavior. It would be interesting to read his thoughts on the matter, but I do believe he remains gagged – for “threatening” INT with a “Tom Cruise Missile”.
I’m finding the thought of Keith Henson getting some form of reversal of that conviction, or a pardon, and rejoining the scrum, quite amusing.
I look forward to you guys taking off the gloves!!
Thanks for all you are doing!
Claws and teeth…I love it!!
no one you are an idiot.
Or call 780-908-6198
Where have you been? I missed seeing your name on the blogs. Are you doing ok?
…and I must say, there wouldn’t have been all the drama if the kid hadn’t taken the discs in the first place. That said: I suppose if DM was out to “get” him, they’d have set him up if they had to.
Without knowing any details firsthand and usually not believing anything I hear about a person without personally verifying and knowing it to be true and without gullibility, I still perceive all these things in your above post and more to be true about Miscavige. It just seems so true.
Well actually, I did personally experience the enforced FN redefinition and the robotic GAT auditing. The FN stuff alone was enough for me to know that the iceberg had to be pretty damn big underneath the surface.
His face looks like he’s still on steroids, too.
THE SERIAL BULLY (by Tim Field)
The serial bully:
* is a convincing, practised liar and when called to account, will make up anything spontaneously to fit their needs at that moment
* has a Jekyll and Hyde nature – is vile, vicious and vindictive in private, but innocent and charming in front of witnesses; no-one can (or wants to) believe this individual has a vindictive nature – only the current target of the serial bully’s aggression sees both sides; whilst the Jekyll side is described as “charming” and convincing enough to deceive personnel, management and a tribunal, the Hyde side is frequently described as “evil”; Hyde is the real person, Jekyll is an act
* excels at deception and should never be underestimated in their capacity to deceive
* uses excessive charm and is always plausible and convincing when peers, superiors or others are present (charm can be used to deceive as well as to cover for lack of empathy)
* is glib, shallow and superficial with plenty of fine words and lots of form – but there’s no substance
* is possessed of an exceptional verbal facility and will outmanoeuvre most people in verbal interaction, especially at times of conflict
* is often described as smooth, slippery, slimy, ingratiating, fawning, toadying, obsequious, sycophantic
* relies on mimicry, repetition and regurgitation to convince others that he or she is both a “normal” human being and a tough dynamic manager, as in extolling the virtues of the latest management fads and pouring forth the accompanying jargon
* is unusually skilled in being able to anticipate what people want to hear and then saying it plausibly
* cannot be trusted or relied upon
* fails to fulfil commitments
* is emotionally retarded with an arrested level of emotional development; whilst language and intellect may appear to be that of an adult, the bully displays the emotional age of a five-year-old
* is emotionally immature and emotionally untrustworthy
* exhibits unusual and inappropriate attitudes to sexual matters, sexual behaviour and bodily functions; underneath the charming exterior there are often suspicions or hints of sex discrimination and sexual harassment, perhaps also sexual dysfunction, sexual inadequacy, sexual perversion, sexual violence or sexual abuse
* in a relationship, is incapable of initiating or sustaining intimacy
* holds deep prejudices (eg against the opposite gender, people of a different sexual orientation, other cultures and religious beliefs, foreigners, etc – prejudiced people are unvaryingly unimaginative) but goes to great lengths to keep this prejudicial aspect of their personality secret
* is self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense of entitlement and sense of invulnerability and untouchability
* has a deep-seated contempt of clients in contrast to his or her professed compassion
* is a control freak and has a compulsive need to control everyone and everything you say, do, think and believe; for example, will launch an immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what you are permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably about psychopathic personality or antisocial personality disorder in their presence – but aggressively maintains the right to talk (usually unknowledgeably) about anything they choose; serial bullies despise anyone who enables others to see through their deception and their mask of sanity
* displays a compulsive need to criticise whilst simultaneously refusing to value, praise and acknowledge others, their achievements, or their existence
* shows a lack of joined-up thinking with conversation that doesn’t flow and arguments that don’t hold water
* flits from topic to topic so that you come away feeling you’ve never had a proper conversation
* refuses to be specific and never gives a straight answer
* is evasive and has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability
* undermines and destroys anyone who the bully perceives to be an adversary, a potential threat, or who can see through the bully’s mask
* is adept at creating conflict between those who would otherwise collate incriminating information about them
* is quick to discredit and neutralise anyone who can talk knowledgeably about antisocial or sociopathic behaviors
* may pursue a vindictive vendetta against anyone who dares to held them accountable, perhaps using others’ resources and contemptuous of the damage caused to other people and organisations in pursuance of the vendetta
* is also quick to belittle, undermine, denigrate and discredit anyone who calls, attempts to call, or might call the bully to account
* gains gratification from denying people what they are entitled to
* is highly manipulative, especially of people’s perceptions and emotions (eg guilt)
* poisons peoples’ minds by manipulating their perceptions
* when called upon to share or address the needs and concerns of others, responds with impatience, irritability and aggression
* is arrogant, haughty, high-handed, and a know-all
* often has an overwhelming, unhealthy and narcissistic attention-seeking need to portray themselves as a wonderful, kind, caring and compassionate person, in contrast to their behaviour and treatment of others; the bully sees nothing wrong with their behavior and chooses to remain oblivious to the discrepancy between how they like to be seen and how they are seen by others
* is spiritually dead although may loudly profess some religious belief or affiliation
* is mean-spirited, officious, and often unbelievably petty
* is mean, stingy, and financially untrustworthy
* is greedy, selfish, a parasite and an emotional vampire
* is always a taker and never a giver
* is convinced of their superiority and has an overbearing belief in their qualities of leadership but cannot distinguish between leadership (maturity, decisiveness, assertiveness, co-operation, trust, integrity) and bullying (immaturity, impulsiveness, aggression, manipulation, distrust, deceitfulness)
* often fraudulently claims qualifications, experience, titles, entitlements or affiliations which are ambiguous, misleading, or bogus
* often misses the semantic meaning of language, misinterprets what is said, sometimes wrongly thinking that comments of a satirical, ironic or general negative nature apply to him or herself
* knows the words but not the song
* is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion and fabrication
* sometimes displays a seemingly limitless demonic energy especially when engaged in attention-seeking activities or evasion of accountability and is often a committeeaholic or apparent workaholic
The serial bully appears to lack insight into his or her behaviour and seems to be oblivious to the crassness and inappropriateness thereof; however, it is more likely that the bully knows what they are doing but elects to switch off the moral and ethical considerations by which normal people are bound. If the bully knows what they are doing, they are responsible for their behaviour and thus liable for its consequences to other people. If the bully doesn’t know what they are doing, they should be suspended from duty on the grounds of diminished responsibility and the provisions of the Mental Health Act should apply.
Dear Daniel, Bravo for your courage and integrity!
Thank you Tiziano, Jaime, Marty, Jason, Tom, Mike and all. Your truth and power is inspirational.
“Here is my secret. It is very simple: one sees well only with the heart. The essential is invisible to the eyes.” — The Little Prince.
“The stars await.” — LRH
Oh yeah, I am ready.
Im truly proud to know everyone who has helped Daniel, you are truly inspirations to all of us. We will be making flyers of this blog and passing them out in front of the San Francisco Org tomorrow in the hopes that even one might make it inside. If only our own Brian Mandigo inspired others the way Daniel has but that’s another discussion for another time. All the best from SF.
In lieu of knowing any other way to reach out to you… I post here.
Just seeing your photo posted here… my heartstrings sang. What a bright, clean, and handsome young man you are!
Hearing of your plight… my heart ached.
TR2 to you for listening to your knowingness, and taking the very courageous steps to not compromise with your personal integrity, at this point in time.
I will guess that you probably have not been exposed to 100% LRH (considering your age.. this lifetime?..) but, you obviously are a good and just being, judging by your recent decisions. I get a strong sense of that from the information about your immediate family, too.
No matter whatever you do, from here on out, get your hands on any original LRH materials that you can and study, study, STUDY! Get with the individuals or groups that are staunchly delivering exclusive source materials and application. You will finally be free to fully LIVE, and then be able to help others do the same.
Of course, this will be after your “decompression” period… however long that takes.
I wish you a new life, and a new reality.
You are finally free.
With much ARCU 🙂
I want you to imagine what “someday the world will live by our rules” would be like. You would have a one world government run by an insane dictator. You would have no freedom of speech or thought! You would have no freedom of movement. You would be required to read only the party line or literature from the party or it’s founder in your spare time if there were any. You would work 10 to 12 hours a day or more, seven days a week, and get a half day off once every two weeks if your “stats” ARE UP only, and a few days off per year if your are lucky or none for years if you are not. If you were found to EVER have a thought Contrary to that of the PARTY LINE you would be severly repromanded, imprisoned or as they say in the former USSR “reeducated for the CRIME of CRIMETHINK.
WATCHFUL EYES Brilliant! Thank you for posting that data on getting refunds. The day I am found out and declared I will apply for my IAS money to be returned as I am outraged that my hard earned money was used for such criminal things such as the Montalvo Caper. But all of you that are visible can apply now! Everyone has to be at least an IAS lifetime member and if you were a good Scio you would have upped it to whatever. One cull a disagreement list from these blogs a mile long to support your refund claim!
I just cant believe how much fuzz is being made over this its insane!!!!!! Damn he’s just a 19 year old kid working like crazy in a monk like environment, not a criminal, I can’t imagine the kind of pressure this kid is going through, I am glad you guys are protecting him.
Seems like DM wants to make this kid a head on pike jeeeezzzz.
LDW, very nice post! If this activity of writing letters of complaint were coordinated with perhaps a legal mind involved to advise etc. Perhaps this could be one of our first coordinated projects. Do we have any volunteer attorneys?
Interesting, how some Independents, Anons, Ex’, Lurkers and other Good Will folks are all became ONE this weekend for something that is just a common sense – helping someone to be and to go free. I think we now have a common sense common denominator, that we might want to stick to, at least until justice the justice is served. Thank you all who is real.
Oh hai DM. This one’s for you. I believe you are the one sitting third from the left. I think you will recognise what the music portends……
Thanks for the insight.
It is so far beyond belief, so unfathomable, so incredible, that someone such as the DM you describe, and others have described, should be able to gain control of an organization such as we once had, with it’s purposes, and tech, and unlimited manpower and money. In order for such to happen to the CofS, there has to be something rotten at it’s very core, something inconsistent deep in its heart.
I’m still stunned by it, literally stunned. I hope someday to ‘wake’ up and discover it was a night mare, but I know it is a wideawake nightmare.
How can we ever get it back?
What DM did will someday be studied across the universe.
Also studied will be those who stood by and forwarded DM’s agenda or/and allowed it to happen.
It’ll be in the new KSW Series 1.
Is there a link to Phil Spickler’s video?
Karen is #1… as always. They are not clean, this is why they can’t let go. Thank you for pointing that out.
Tom, as an after thought, it is unlikely that Peter Mansel (CO OSA FLAG) would have been forthcoming on what was in those tapes if the data was damaging in any way. Obviously he wouldn’t tell you, would he?
With respect, I think you may have been fed a shore story, an acceptable truth. If this outrage was/is orchestrated by DM, as some here assert, then what would be on those discs has nothing to do with the CofS, but with DM himself. It follows that this is true if what you say about his character is true.
Again, my opinion.
If Danny had music on those discs, you can bet Moxon and minions will be after him for copywrite violations.
I suggest that he distance himself from any such claims for the music.
“It’s high time Miscavige gets what he deserves: one hell of a spanking!”
And no doubt his future cell mate will be the one to give it to him!!
You know I couldn’t stop wondering ande perhaps those more familiar with the laws can chime in but the fact that Daniel was basically interogated for hours by cult lawyers and without representation of his own could this not be illegal somehow? It sure looks like entrapment to me at the least.
Your absence has been noticed, good to see you back. 🙂
You don’t have to be out/declared/visible to send in a request for repayment or refund. Of course just asking for one might get you declared but who cares about that. A declare from the cult should be worn like a badge of honor.
You might not get a declare. Remember, one of the cult’s top priorities is $$$. I suspect that they’ve slowed down on their declares or at least letting people know they’ve been declared. Why would that be? So people DON’T ask for their money back. If you’re kicked out of a group, how can they keep your membership money…..especially if they kicked you out???
Any money repaid/refunded from that cult is delivering a blow to the dwarf.
Thanks Karen for pulling Steve’s article on Black Propaganda into PT again. Rounds up the picture very nicely.
I don’t think No One is an idiot. What I think is that based on an individual’s life experiences, training, case gain, etc. they’re going to view things differently.
For years, decades actually, horrible reg cycles have occurred. People gave in and gave it all. Some ended up bankrupt, even lost their homes to foreclosure, credit ruined, no retirement money or savings in the bank. In other words some have been utterly ruined.
Any of us knew when Marty finally put out a request for donations that it was bound to push some buttons. Some will do an A = A = A on it. The day will come when the cult’s insane drive for money at the expense of it’s members will be but a distant memory (nightmare actually). Until then, some people will question a request for financial help but in time they too will see the DIFFERENCE and realize that not everybody is a con man.
Thks for sharing great work
Thought Provoking, Thanks for your kind words. Circumstances with the Church demand I maintain security about what I’m doing. LRH said in the Flag Orders to always maintain security and never let your enemies know what you are up to, since they can use that intelligence against you and your friends.
The downside is that maintaining security creates a vacuum of information and is the antithesis of social networking. Hopefully, through all we are doing, we will create a safe environment with David Miscavige in prison where he belongs along with his lawyers and Tommy Davis and others who are up to their necks in corruption and criminality. At that point maintaining security won’t be such a sensitive issue. Until then it is wise to remain fabian — appearing and vanishing at will. Miscavige does not really know what we are doing and has to go to great lengths to find out. This uses up his resources and bandwidth; makes him worry about where the next attack will come from; makes him feel unsettled and unsafe for who will strike next?
LRH says that when a thetan believes there are hidden comm lines about him he will do anything to find them out. My gosh, our comm lines dwarf the Church comm lines and most of them are hidden in plain sight. We are connected all over the world. Miscavige only has his bullies and patsies and brown nosers and the Creature from the Black Lagoon… I mean, Tom Cruise. Oh, yeah, and he’s got his tape worms (lawyers).
Miscavige is under siege from all those people — and a world — he has betrayed. He won’t last.
No One, Maybe you’re someone with unlimited resources, but ponder this question…if he landed on your doorstep right now, owning only the clothes he was standing in, you had to bail him out of jail, minimum of $2000 maybe more, you had to provide an airfare, you had to feed him, house him and care for him and now you are facing some major attorney fees, what do you think? As much as I adore Daniel and would give him anything I had, there is a reality to the situation here. I know he is more than grateful to everyone.
Is that a teaser or a prediction? More than snow is going to be flying?
Definition of FREEDOM:
One who leaves the Church of Scientology.
Definition of a Coward:
PS If you want real FREEDOM and the FREEDOM to think on your own with your own determinism just leave the church: Its quite liberating
One is not entitled to representation in civil matters, or when being interrogated by a non-state actor. Of course a non-state actor can commit false arrest, but they would say he was free to leave, and walked into the police station on his own will.
There is nothing illegal or unethical about a lawyer having someone in his office and asking him questions for a couple of hours if he is there of his own free will. However, if he was kept there by physical force or threats then that could be construed as “false imprisonment,” which is both a civil and criminal offense. Also, a lawyer has many ethical duties–to the court, to clients and potential clients, and to the public. When someone comes into his office, both the lawyer and the person coming in should be clear about the purpose of the visit. It is the lawyer’s duty to make sure that this clarity exists. If the purpose is adversarial, the lawyer has an ethical duty to advise the person to have his own counsel present.
Worse, if the lawyer cooperated in having the police arrest his visitor knowing that their charges were baseless, doing so would constitute abuse of the legal process. It would also be a serious breach of ethics for an attorney to attempt to persuade anyone to offer false testimony against another person, which was reportedly done here.
You may feel assured that if Danny Montalvo took a couple of hard drives with him when he left Bridge that he had been given the hard drives for his use and assumed that they were his to take–or at least that they were of little value to anyone else and no one would care. He was unaware that David Miscaviige will stoop to any chicanery to attack and villify his perceived enemies, and that “theft of Church property” is one of his favorite accusations.
You may also feel assured that when they returned the drives by messenger that records of that transaction were kept. A copy of that transaction has probably already been sent to the district attorney along with an explanation of the circumstances of the arrest. I think it is unlikely that the district attorney would file any formal charges, knowing the circumstances. Clearly, when Church officials asserted that the hard drives had not been returned, they were engaging in a provable lie. When they used that lie as a basis to accomplish an unjustified arrest and detainment they engaged in false arrest, false imprisonment, and the intentional infliction of emotional distress, and possibly perjury too, all actionable torts or crimes under California law.
Under the circumstances, Daniel’s arrest was completely improper, unnecessary, and unjustified and was brought about for purposes that amount to obstruction of justice and an abuse of the legal process. Because of this, aside from Daniel’s right to compensation, the people who paid the $2,000+ bail money have a right to be repaid by the persons and organizations responsible for the unjustified arrest and detainment. This would most definitely include the law firm in question.
The California Bar Association takes a very dim view of attorneys who flaunt their Code of Ethics and, in exchange for high pay from their clients, engage in bullying, attempts to suborn perjury, extortion, and the abuse of legal process. I believe that if detailed accounts of the activities that these attorneys have been engaged in is submitted to the Bar Association in the form of formal complaints that the Bar association will investigate and will ultimately discipline or disbar the attorneys.
This needs to be taken to the press and the courts. Will an attorney on our side volunteer his efforts? There MUST be some federal violations of Daniels’s civil rights here.
The dolphins are in the jacuzzi, I repeat, the dolphins are in the jacuzzi. That is all.
Aaron, Great post.
I also was under Tom in CMO CW (after Cheryl Dechef) and I can say 100% that what aaron says here is true. Tom was the glue that binds. I would still today back up Tom in anything that he was pushing. He is that str8 up and honest of a guy.
Thanks for stepping up Aaron and putting this out here.
With all my respect, dear MissBridgett, but are you not projecting you, with above statement?
“You are surrounded by Angels…in person and in spirit.”
I am a wog Atheist, but should ‘that part’ (word clearing here) not be about thetans? Like, you pulled it in, as per KSW?
Honestly, I *am* trying to understand. Oh, I love me some Anarchy also. ;-p
Watching Eyes. If this was a teachable moment I would agree with you and advise someone to not do an A=A=A on this request for funds. But anyone who read the article would see the difference unless they were, as Tony says, an idiot. Personally, if the person were an idiot, I wouldnt call him such. But I suspect Tony sees there is more to the post than idiocy and simply dismisses it as such in his direct and refreshing style. The only intention I can fathom on No one’s posting is to plant a seed of discord and/or doubt. If I am wrong then your effort to teach has hopefully sunk in and No one is busily sending funds via pay pal. Dont hold your breath.
Whoever you are, metaqual, I am impressed by your command of the legal game (as it is played).
And you said I had CI. Look at you now, in your rightful place doing what you do best – helping recover True LRH Technology from the real SP. You are right about what you do. My hat’s off you all you guys!!!!!!!!!!! You all do what you do soooo well! Thank you ALL!
John Lennon said it right in this song, “WE’RE COMIN’ TO GET YOU!” Mr. Midget!!!! Karma’s a bitch!
Thanks Tom & Mike,
Filling in the blanks and update sure makes this “WTF?” make more sense. Those hard drives did contain Mestology withhold/security type of info, to get that kind of a reaction. Who wouldn’t conceal the graphs of their GBS which isn’t straight up and vertical?
Tiziano, Jamie and Tom you are the best, thank you for your commitment.
When I learned earlier on this Blog how DM took over and specially his acquaintances with LRH, MHS and the Hubbard family I was close to refuelling my trike (microlite) and do my last kamikaze flight to his palace in the desert. (Well OK, just in my mind)
You can’t imagine my anger about this little brat.
“Listen – if anyone wants to understand Miscavige’s mind, think like the most spoiled rotten little brat you can imagine. If he doesn’t get his way, if you look at him wrong or don’t agree or don’t do what he asks and he doesn’t feel like #1 or god forbid tell him “no”: he’s going to throw the most irresponsible and psychotic tantrum you could ever imagine. It’s as simple as that, except now give that brat unlimited funds and attorneys! The fact remains, without the funds and attorney’s he’s no more than a brat. “ says Tom DeVocht. Well, I can totally agree with you on that.
If anyone thinks DM will ever get a big Cognition and resign the Power, he is wrong. He cannot and will not. The only way to get rid of this “Great Religious Leader” is by chasing him away, overturning him by FORCE.
Thank you Marty, Mike, Karen, Tom, Jason, Christie and ALL the others for creating this SAFE environment (the Blog) where we can communicate freely, exchanging ideas and opinions, and be able to learn and understand so much.
To you Daniel all the best. I appreciate your courageous decision. Stay strong, you have friends outside the CO$ who really care about you.
Marty, some $ to the new Daniel – Fond is on the way.
I have never ever thought in my life, being a part of a group where Annos, Critics, Old Guard and Indies come together on a common goal to stop the inhumane human rights abuses in the Co$. But it looks lick the ROAD to TRUTH takes sometimes incomprehensible ways and manners.
Next year is LRH 100 Birthday.
Let’s create a David Miscavige – FREE SCIENTOLOGY YEAR and FUTURE from there on.
First target, a Scientology Community where everyone of good will can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where Man is free to rise to greater heights. And where his inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely his own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others will be respected and advocated entirely.
Maybe then we will be able to really envision and achieve the Goals of Scientology as stated by LRH.
My very best wishes to you all.
Anyone have an old theta trap laying around.
Very interesting. Never heard of deopression tech. Only Rollback.
Also very interesting your viewpoint on Org Board. Auditor is Counseling off Scn and HCO is securitiy now, aso. May I add:
I left many years ago staff. But after leaving I did not as-is, destroy or take with me what I have created on staff. My lines, thoughts, postulates, theta or entheta and installations are still there. I did think over and over if I should destroy everything I created on staff after leaving. I did not do it cause I could not decide. The effect is, that all my installations and commlines are still there and somewhat active. My space I created is also there. And that might be our biggest problem. All those that left have left something behind. (“left overs”) I do not want to blame myself or anybody else. But some day I and have to clean that up. Then I have really left the building. But I guess, that will not work with Scn. Scn cannot be as-ised.
One more thought on that:
I had been not so bad on staff. And my space was and is quite powerful. Especially my ideas regarding power of choice and freedom. I can imagine that someone entering my space (old office I worked for years) may feel something and may think some “unwanted” thoughts.
That could also be a point of the ideal org push. New space = no left overs from really powerfull ex staff.
In the middle of everything, what you said about Gerry Armstrong is huge. I always had some misgivings as to why you didn’t address that even though you went to see Jesse Prince. I applaud your honesty and willingness to take responsibility. You make your/our religion look good.
Okay, Tiziano and Jamie has been applauded, but what about Jason Beghe paying the bail. Thank you Jason, talk about cajones!
Daniel Montalvo reads the truth…
Take it easy it will be okay – we were not born yesterday and our heads are not made of chocolate. 🙂 Combined we have close to, I guess, 100 years of first hand experience with this organziation and the nut who runs it. We know very well what they are capable of and will say or do. Just hang in there – its going to get even more interesting! You’ll also have something to do soon – we’re going to get organized up a bit so everyone’s efforts are channeled toward our final goal and we can put this behind us once and for all.
gandiguy, thanks for this, but you’ve misduplicated me. I’m mocking the “someday the world will live by our rules” mentality. My moniker, afterall, is “Freedom Fighter”, not “Slavery Supporter”. 🙂
Wow! What happens on this blog when I leave for just a few days…I feel like I’ve been riding drag on 900 head of Mexican steers and I’m just now getting the dust out of my eyes.
This is like buying the whole series of Lonesome Dove on DVD with no commericals, waiting for the next sequel, or anything! I just don’t have the last episode yet but I have a great gut feeling about how this one is going to end.
I’ll send you over a box of rounds for Daniel.
Bodil, Jamie and Tiziano paid the bail. Jason was and is a hero in all this. But, Jamie and Tiziano paid the bail. And by Monday, thanks to you good folks, I’ll be able to repay them. Then, we all can say “we paid the bail.”
Don’t forget that Monday is a holiday (Columbus Day), in case you were going to use the bank … will likely be closed.
But anyone who read the article would see the difference unless they were, as Tony says, an idiot.
I don’t agree with you on that point. Knowing the havoc the cult has wreaked on people’s finances, it’s understandable that some might have some bypassed charge on the subject of donations. Did I expect No One’s exact question to come up? Hell no. But does it offend me that he asked it? No.
Years ago a teacher told me that if one person had a question she knew others had the same question, but weren’t asking it. She encouraged questions.
I’m pretty good at sniffing out an OSA troll and don’t think that question came from one. And even if it did, so what. Many people’s finances have been raped by the cult. They have bypassed charge. It needs to be safe enough to ask the questions, get them answered and move on.
There’s nothing “refreshing” about insulting someone. Sorry, that’s just how I feel.
They probably would have got him for “stealing” his clothes, and the nice little GAK briefcase he put his worldly belongings in, or for being an SO member on Wednesday.
The crime of course is being there, and communicating.
I am thinking that maybe DM has the wrong tech here. As LRH has said..” If what you are doing isn’t working, do the opposite.” Perhaps it is “energy in” that is required. If DM is having to “do everything himself” then maybe he just needs a significant boost of raw energy to handle his demons.
Take it easy though David Miscavage. It takes a stellar being to withstand large currents!
( oh dear… And there I was doing so well… oh well…I guess it’s back to “anger management classes” for me. 😉
He haz ‘puter powerzzzz of over 9000
About Luis and Veronika Montalvo – Danny’s parents
Just wanted to give you all some insight with regards to Danny’s family. I know we all feel the same right now: What the hell are they thinking! (To put it mildly)
Luis and Veronika both worked for me in the Church. Veronika was my Deputy for Internal matters when I ran “CMO CW”. Luis was my deputy when I ran the “Flag Landlord Office”. Both became very dear friends and like family to me.
So when Danny first called you can imagine my delight.
Soon as we arrived home from Tampa International where I picked Danny up from, we decided to call Luis and Veronika and let them know Danny was with me and okay. I called Luis first and said, “Luis it’s me, don’t freak out. Danny is with me…” I had obviously woken him up and he was alone but hung up on me afraid of the consequences, I guess. I love him to death but, Luis grow some balls dude! An hour later his phone number had been disconnected permanently.
I had Danny make the first call to his mom. She answered and after a few minutes wanted to talk to me. We had a very good conversation (she was alone for this call of course) and we recounted many of the great times we all had together. I promised her I would take care of Danny, give him a job etc., and he would be okay no matter the outcome with the church. I said to her that no matter what happens after we hang up, that she could rest assured of that. Veronika said, “I know Tom and can’t tell you how much I appreciate it and what you are doing. Thank you so much I feel better.”
The next calls to and from Veronika were hell. In the last call you called me names that no one but Miscavige had ever called me. She had turned into a monster, of course.
Though I too think it is nuts that Veronika and Luis let this happen, I know what they are going through. It doesn’t make it okay, I know, but rather than be upset with them I’ll try and be effective and give them a hand in getting back with their son Danny soon.
Then they can tell us their side of the story and maybe we can build a better case against the coward Miscavige and his stupid evil little minions like Moxon.
PS: Soon enough I’ll tell you how we are going to bring all our families back together again. Very simple. Very effective.
Thank you for your insights.
/SALUTE Tom for standing up for whats right!!
Also – If Daniel’s music was safely preserved… anon respectfully /r/ (request) track reference personally chosen by D himself if/when he’s up to it, for a personal anthem of sorts that some in our ranks might want to play at upcoming protests as a sign of solidarity.
You’re a God sent. You will most probably never know how much I appreciate what you do….Thank you, Tom.
Oh *no name*…SO very happy that you noticed little ole ME.
You, a ‘wog Athiest’?….BAH! No, you are not.
Funny, I got this sensation of EVIL lurking all around just to see your pseudonym…kinda makes my skin crawl just reading anything you write…
Zeroed in on me didja?I would have thought there are so many more interesting and informative comments and posters on this blog for you to try and bait…You love you some Anarchy? Think you know who I am? 🙂
Whatsa matter tiny little OSAbot? Nobody loves you and you need a hug too? Awwww gee… okay…here’s a tiny little hug for the tiny little *No name* too. Now run along and be a good little evil SP (word clear THAT!)
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Wow, I didn’t imagine my post would push such a huge button on everyone…
It’s not like I’m NOT paying attention to what’s at hand here–I simply posted something else. Everyone is posting “OMG SAVE THE KID”, it’s not a big deal if 1 person says something else. We’re not a hivemind here.
Someone said it’s not like the church, where they keep promising upstats etc. Well, my alarms are going off on this too. Marty keeps saying something huge will happen but it’s not. The thing is though, I’m not anti-Marty. I come here every day. And I’m not saying it’s never going to happen. I just want so badly for Scientology to be in it’s rightful place again, as most of us here do. And I look at all of this with an open mind. As Marty asks us to. What if Marty came out to be a lying fraud? By all means, have integrity and use your own judgement. I’m not asking you to be wishy-washy. But at least understand that some of us would not be that surprised if Marty was a big pot of lies. We should all especially understand this since a lot of us came from the church. And Marty, I’m sure you understand this. I’m not attacking you, I’m just here with open eyes.
And no, I had no ulterior motive. I’m an honest, open person and that’s all there was to it. I would also like to point out, Marty has been accepting donations way before this incident, so my attention has been on that for a while.
There is way too much bank on this blog sometimes. I don’t think LRH ever suggested using bank to solve problems.
Oh, thank you for letting us know this. His mother must be so relieved. Whatever she said “after” must be under pressure. Your last comment about bringing families together again, waiting with hopeful news. This will crack and tumble the well-funded wall of terror and intimidation like nothing else.
Then all the PI’s and lawyers and goons will have nothing left to video other than thousands of family reunion bbq’s and parties around the world. “Your Honor: What we have here is evidence of disgruntled apostate’s practicing Love right out in the open. The CofS obviously Objects!”
Tom, thank you for your care and your smarts.
You get a handful of predicabtly like-minded responses and it is “hive” mentality and “bank”? You question “what if” I am not who I say I am. Read the blog from the beginning – and as many comments as you can. Who I am and what I am about has no effect – we are way beyond that. This is not about any one individual. I could be hung tomorrow and it wouldn’t even be a speed bump on this super highway, pal. When your innocent questions are ones that have not been answered dozens of times on this blog already, I’ll allow you to post again.
You guys are amazing. Daniel – as I said before, you are in good hands.
I posted my take on all this on my blog, which is linked on my name.
I posted the last couple of posts without being logged on, because, frankly, my password is OSA-proof, and sometimes “me” proof!
There is a fissure in the dam, and it is becoming a torrent. These activities are not standard ethics or tech or admin – it is Mob tech. As much as we love the Sopranos on TV, we hate to see this in our church.
If you are a Scientologist who still thinks Mr. David Miscavige is a great guy, look at the actual truth of what is happening here. LOOK at it. What policy is this? What policy says it is okay to jail an SO member? I really can’t find it. If you can, please email it to me or post it here or on my blog.
Very well done. I look forward to meeting you some day.
I think you might be the kind of person that stands around watching someone get beat up because you don’t want to everstep your bounds. Don’t be so theetie wheetie. Is it ok to watch your friends be invalidated while they are trying to help a young man escape domination?? Grow a sack.
Metaqual, if you have a practice somewhere I want to be one of your clients.
You have a great viewpoint.
To, Marty, Mike, Tom D. and all who have directly helped with coming to the Aid of young Daniel, I want to thank you all. This has hit a chord in all the Ex Scn and Ex SO communities, because I think we have all had our troubles upon leaving, but this is so over the top that it is touching a chord with at least American Press and Public. 19 year old attempts to leave and winds up in jail —
Hello??? David M is now going to have all his dirty laundry put out for public viewing. And if they do continue to pursue this legally, the actual hard drives and all that is on them will have to be brought into the open in the courts.
I am so proud of Daniel and all of you guys who have helped so far. See, you never know where your ripple effect is going to go. Daniel knew someone personally that was nice to him, and was able to reach out….
It’s those little things that mean so much and end up creating the largest effects.
I just can’t say thank you enough to all involved, and especially to Danny for having the strength that he has shown. And yes I would love to have Danny choose one of his pices of music as his theme song. That would be cool.
Tony, if you could read that one short question asking if LRH would have asked for donations if it had been his kid and take it to mean that the write was invalidating your friends, then I don’t even know what to say. Did it ever dawn on you that maybe the writer wasn’t even around back in the Legal Defense Fund days?
As to your insults to me, I’ll not even address them other than to suggest you take the chip off.
Tony DePhillips has paid his dues and is entitled to wear as big a chip on his shoulder as he pleases – on both of them, if he wants.
What exactly have you done to prove you have “a sack”, Mr. Pseudonomous ?
Michael A. Hobson
Michael — You are of course entitled to post on topic comments as you choose — and you do some magnificent ones. I just want to add my 2c as I happen to know Watching Eyes. WE is a good person who is working behind the scenes and definitely wears a big white hat.
Mike, if you vouch for them given your experience at this game, I’ll take that for good enough.
Watching Eyes, please accept my apology.
Michael A. Hobson
First of all, you misunderstood what I said. I meant “hivemind” in the sense that it’s not a bad thing if someone talks about something other than the kid. I didn’t think it was the law to talk about what everyone else is talking about. And, yes, there’s a lot of bank in the air right now… I think we can all agree with that…
Second of all, I have been reading the blog from the beginning. You might have even known me long ago. I am someone who is on the fence about you, is that so bad? I’m not here attacking you–on the contrary–I’m generally supporting you. But I question things too. And so do others, some really valuable people in the independent scene.
Lastly, I don’t really care if you censor this post. Your attitude is immature and invalidating. I took a long walk to extrovert and that’s my answer.
Thank you Watching Eyes for getting what I was saying, and you even answered my original question. I appreciate it.
Mike Hobson: Apology accepted. No hard feelings either. I don’t hold on to things.
No One: You’re quite welcome.
This is a tough game we’re playing. Out of necessity some are in the forefront, some are in the background. Only a very few on this blog know who I am. Sorry, but it will remain that way for now. I have it on good authority that Kathy True from OSA thinks I’m Marty. Some of us have had a few good laughs over that. But you know OSA, they obsessively “have to know” everything. They can’t take being effect. If they only knew how effect they really are.
Thanks for your defence Michael. Duly noted and appreciated. I stand by my remark that at least the comment made was idiotic, maybe the poster isn’t. I don’t know the person but that comment was very lame.
Tony – I was first to respond to No One and I thought the original comment from NO was pretty idiotic but that’s not the first and I’m sure it wont be the last (and I bet there are people that think some of my comments are idiotic!). But the result of that posting was that you and Mike H ended up jumping on Watching Eyes, and you guys ARE all on the same side. I happen to know Watching Eyes. I think you would be fast friends. Mike H stood up for you and I will too at the drop of a hat, and didnt mean to create any other impression as I also know you and MaryJo and you rock. No One ain’t worth fighting over….
Okay, I’ll takeit easier. If I can contribute to the motion in some way, let me know.
I totally take your recomendation for WE. I just took his comments as sort of protecting someone who, to me, was trying to break Marty down for asking for donations. I know that you guys bust your asses and it is a pretty thankless job to some degree and it is hard for me to sit back and watch the defense of that kind of mindlessness. I have been fleeced for plenty of money and I don’t have that kind of A=A going on. I agree that the original poster is not worth fighting over. And I believe you that WE is a good guy. I am sure WE and I would get along. That being said, I would back you guys anytime over some idiotic statement and I think the defense of the statement by WE was bad judgement on his part.
Oh by the way Mike, I never thought you were jumping on me. I totally got what you were trying to handle and agree with that.
AnEx, never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake! Let Elliot finish tying the knot in that noose he has around his neck, and perhaps there will be enough rope left for DM.
“Hello??? David M is now going to have all his dirty laundry put out for public viewing. And if they do continue to pursue this legally, the actual hard drives and all that is on them will have to be brought into the open in the courts.”
Would be an incredible footnuke!!
Either way – DM is a cornered rat. Let’s see how he covers that up next weekend in St. Hill….
Excellent Tony. We have all come to understanding thanks to application of the peaceful communication tech I have been learning from Safe! 🙂
The fact that your still on the fence says it all.
I agree, Daniel should have NEVER gone back, for any reason. He’s too young and gulible.
My heart goes out to him. I knew Daniel, we grew up together in the Cadet Org. I fear that he will not get out of this untraumatized. I did not have such a scandalous exit, and I still have nightmares that I am stuck inside, though it’s been 5 years.
That kid could have been anyone’s kid, including mine. I am sooo glad to see people JUMP and help with a REAL situation. They dont care if they DESTROY his life. We werent asked for money for some building but for a person’s life. Prison will destroy him, esp with all the psychs and drugs. And they dont care – I also think about what they are doing to the wife – how much pressure she will be under to play the game and crusify this kid.
It is a really bad situation.
The last time I called the Police on a Scientologist and got affirmative action was in 2003.
It is sad that anyone IN Scientology, anyone LEAVING Scientology, anyone already OUT of Scientology, many of these people have to live their lives connected to a local Police department in order to wake up safely in the morning.
I realize there is no other way, but by now Police departments around the country must be more skilled at handling Scientology related disputes than the church’s own Volunteer Ministers and Ethics Officers. It makes Scientology and everyone else involved looked very bad.
The WHY is needed, for this cannot go on, the planet will perish in front of our eyes if some people just wanted a few minutes fame, one second more in the spotlight.
AND I have not had to call the Police on a Scientologist since 2003 YET!
Let’s hope the trend continues.
Kia ora, Aaron. Your word is good enough for me. Kia kaha, bro.
No, Geir (Isene) lives in Norway — “Land of Santa”. He’s just making a casual playful comment that not much is happening in Norway … at least until Xmas … in the “Land of Santa”. 🙂
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