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Anatoly Sharansky’s Final Statement

The following might resonate with some who have experienced the corporate Scientology culture of David Miscavige. 

Anatoly Sharansky’s Final Statement in the Soviet Court
presented before being sentenced on trumped-up charges for treason and espionage, July 14, 1978

(Sharansky addressed his first remarks to those who were not in the courtroom, his wife Avital who emigrated to Israel and the Jewish people):

“During my interrogation the chief investigators threatened me that I might be executed by a firing squad, or imprisoned for at least fifteen years.  But if I agreed to cooperate with the investigation for the purpose of destroying the Jewish emigration movement, they promised me freedom and a quick reunion with my wife.

“Five years ago, I submitted my application for exit to Israel. Now I am further than ever from my dream.  It would seem to be cause for regret.  But it is absolutely the other way around.  I am happy.  I am happy that I lived honorably, at peace with my conscience.  I never compromised my soul, even under the threat of death.

“I am happy that I helped people.  I am proud that I knew and worked with such honorable, brave and courageous people as Sakharov, Orlov, Ginzburg, who are carrying on the traditions of the Russian intelligentsia in defending human rights in the Soviet Union.  I am fortunate to have been witness to the process of the liberation of Jews of the USSR.

“I hope that the absurd accusation against me and the entire Jewish emigration movement will not hinder the liberation of my people.  My near ones and friends know how I wanted to exchange activity in the emigration movement for a life with my wife Avital, in Israel.

“For more than two thousand years the Jewish people, my people, have been dispersed.  But wherever they are, wherever Jews are found, every year they have repeated: ‘Next year in Jerusalem.‘  Now, when I am further than ever from my people, from Avital, facing many arduous years of imprisonment, I say, turning to my people, my Avital,  ‘Next year in Jerusalem.’

“Now I turn to you, the court, who were required to confirm a predetermined sentence: To you I have nothing to say.”

Rupert Murdoch and David Miscavige

Haydn James submitted an article published below that draws many parallels between media king Rupert Murdoch and squirrel king David Miscavige.

Here are a few things to take into consideration when reading Haydn’s piece.

Rupert Murdoch cut his teeth on bashing L Ron Hubbard and Scientology during the sixties in Australia.

Murdoch’s US (most notably Fox News) and UK media holdings have uniquely steered clear of the dozens of breaking stories about David Miscavige’s abuse that have run in most other media since the Tampa Times landmark 2009 series The Truth Rundown.

For a while I considered that might be due to something I was working on shortly before leaving Scientology Inc in 2004.  That was working with David Miscavige and Tom Cruise to recruit Australian media magnate heir James Packer.  Tom had reported that Jamie grew up with one of Murdoch’s sons – same exclusive schools, clubs, etc – and that Murdoch treated Jamie like a son. Miscavige relieved me of all other post duties to concentrate on working with Tom to recruit Jamie. The plan was to help Jamie with Scientology and to influence Jamie to win over Murdoch for Scientology in exchange (of course never disclosing the terms to Jamie).  I was involved in the help side of it and that was rewarding. But I left before the other side of the hidden bargain was carried out by Miscavige and Cruise.  

Whether that ever came to fruition may be of no import.  Reading Haydn’s post made me consider the Occam’s razor approach. Perhaps a more likely explanation is that Rupert Murdoch and David Miscavige are simply peas from the same L Ron Hubbard hating pod. 

Peas in a Pod

by Haydn James

Rupert Murdoch’s plight gives an interesting comparative and some insight into the world and precarious position of David Miscavige.

Murdoch, born Australian but now an American citizen, controls the second largest but arguably the most influential media empire in the world.  500 companies in 50 countries which includes The Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Fox Television and Twentieth Century Fox studios in the USA, four newspapers including The London Times and the hugely influential Sun as well as television in the UK. He is ranked as the 13th most powerful man in the world. For decades he has been a king maker, deciding and influencing through the coordinated policy of his media outlets who should assume political power in a number of countries, particularly Australia and England but he is not without major influence in the USA. He even took on and backed down the BBC, using his political influence to extract revenge for their opposition to his activities, arranging for their annual budget to be cut by sixteen percent.

If there is a major global elitist conspiracy of greed, Murdoch is a card carrying member. And I note that he acquired The News of the World newspaper in 1968, in England, just in time for its three year onslaught against Scientology and LRH — shades of Ron’s Journal 67.

So I have been watching with fascination as, expose by expose, piece by piece, the depth of corruption on the part of Murdoch’s empire was brought to light in the UK and USA. And I have noticed that the similarities and parallels with Miscavige are unmistakable.

Murdoch bought political influence for protection and to strengthen his media stranglehold, going so far as to create a media monopoly. It used to be illegal in England for one person to own and influence more than one major media outlet but Murdoch was able to change all that. And he became an American citizen so he could acquire and own media companies in the USA.  Like David Miscavige, Rupert Murdoch created, ostensibly, an unassailable position in the world in which he ruled. People feared him and most lacked the courage to speak out against his bullying and abuses. But Murdoch’s vast political and media influence to the contrary, he proved that no position is totally safe or secure.

Just like Miscavige, Murdoch ran his personal empire as a dictator, doing only what he saw fit and without regard to common decency or law. The sheer degree of power he wielded went to his head. He thought he was above the law. And when it looked like the truth about his operations might come to light, Murdoch used the same play book of dirty tricks that Miscavige used in attempting to silence those speaking out against him.

PIs were used by Murdoch to openly follow and harass critics, even British members of parliament. Dossiers were compiled on anyone who was or might become an enemy. Any dirt they could find was used to force critics into silence or ruin their reputation via whisper campaigns. High priced lawyers were used to threaten and shudder individuals, other newspapers, companies and lawyers into silence and if that failed they “settled” (with huge pay offs) those who could not be intimidated. All very familiar to independent Scientologists.

Like David Miscavige, Murdoch was mercilessly over the top when it came to running his empire. Journalists working for one of Murdoch’s newspapers were compelled to come up with twelve major scoops (good news stories) per year or they were summarily fired. As anyone who has worked in Scientology knows, that kind of fear and duress does not result in anything good. Murdoch’s empire was no different. In turn, the journalists put pressure on the private investigators they used to dig up dirt and stories. Desperate to keep their lucrative jobs, the PIs hacked and tapped the phones and media devices of thousands of people, including celebrities, and they paid members of the police (Metropolitan Police – Scotland Yard) to retrieve and pass along information they needed. The lines into the police were extensive. Mind you, I will say this, if Murdoch’s PIs felt under pressure to produce the goods they should try working for Miscavige – or maybe they have.
From the moment a tiny fraction of the truth leaked out the result was inevitable. Despite the fact that some members of the government, police and Murdoch did all they could to cover it up, the truth eventually broke wide open. One way or another, the truth came out. In another theme familiar to Independent Scientologists, when few dared to carry the story, a single non-Murdoch newspaper in the USA picked up the ball and ran with it which emboldened other media outlets around the world.

In response to the worldwide bad press, politicians in England turned on Murdoch, blocking his expansion moves. The infamous, LRH attacking, News of the World which had been in existence for many decades was shut down and closed and a number of Murdoch’s staff have been arrested. There are three ongoing criminal investigations in the UK, FBI investigations in the USA, countless civil lawsuits for invasion of privacy as well as parliamentary investigations into the actions of Murdoch, his family and his empire. The fallout is still raining down and will for some years.

But even Murdoch has a couple of advantages over David Miscavige. Firstly, he can claim, with at least a little credibility, that his empire is so vast he could not monitor it all. David (I micro manage everything) Miscavige cannot. Secondly, Murdoch has gone to great lengths to make and publish apologies for his offences, something Miscavige will never do.

Three additional observations come out of what is happening to Murdoch.

1. In the modern world, no amount of power, political or media influence can prevent the truth from coming out.

2. Dirty tricks only hasten the process.

3. (OSA staff should note this one).  The first ones arrested are the lieutenants.

Final Reckoning – Cook v Miscavige

I have it on very good authority that David Miscavige is a seething wreck at the moment.

It seems over the past three days he has suddenly begun reckoning that in the last four months he has been taken to school, spanked hard, and sent home crying.  He has not quite yet come to grips that he has lead a bunch of immature boys against men.

Well, assuming he can get a grip on himself, this will be my final word on Scientology Inc v. Debbie Cook.

Below is the accounting for funds collected for the defense of Scientology Inc vs. Debbie Cook and Wayne Baumgarten.  These are all of the funds received by me through this website and by mail and all of the disbursements for purposes of the Baumgartens’ defense.

I cannot account for any funds that were sent directly to Debbie Cook. I was never given access to the total figures received by the Baumgartens, let alone the details of the donations.

I do know that when they demanded that donations be made straight to them, they posted in writing the guarantee that any funds received would be returned upon conclusion of the case.  The case is concluded.  I understand from at least one donor that there is indication the guarantee will be honored provided donors send their addresses to Wayne and Debbie with a request.

I was asked by a donor to Debbie’s page whether receiving such money would be to receive blood money.  My answer was that I do not think that at all given the representations under which it was collected, other public representations on this blog by Debbie, and given my well educated estimation of what the defendants received.  I think not to get it back would be to saddle Debbie and Wayne with an overt that would plague them further on down the road.

I think that the energy of independents should be returned to them.

I so think that that should Miscavige obstruct that in any way, fashion or form all bets are off on the third paragraph of this post.

I never made any refund representation prior to soliciting donations for the defense.  I did two nights ago when more than one person expressed in blog comments disappointment with how the funds were utilized.

Since last night more than one person has offered to help me cover refunds (as you can see from the accounting virtually all funds received were spent on the Baumgartens’ defense) since I don’t have the money to do so.

I have a record of every person who made donations to the Indies defense fund through my paypal account and by check mailed to me. I do not have addresses for you.  For purposes of my record keeping I need to issue checks for refunds. If you want your money back from the Indies Defense Fund I collected the initial monies from please send your name and address to me at howdoesitfeel@hushmail.com  along with the amount you donated and I will issue and mail you a check from the defense fund account.  Please have patience since as you can see the account is nearly empty.

Accounting

14 Checks and cash payments received:                     3,400.00

72 Paypal donations:                                                         9,665.00

less 3.2% Paypal handling fee:                                       (309.28)

Total received                                                                      12,755.72

Disbursements:

Check R Jeffrey retainer     13 Feb                                  5,000.00

Check R Jeffrey retainer    27 Feb                                   5,000.00

Rinder Tampa/S.A. round trip airfare Jan                       996.85

Rinder Tampa/S.A. round trip airfare Feb                       996.85

Check to R Jeffrey  12 March                                                600.00

Total disbursements                                                             12,593.70

balance Indie Defense Fund                                                    162.02

A final note on Debbie Cook and the impact of her having stood up.  My final reckoning is prompted by my need to move on. There are ripple effects created by Debbie’s email and court testimony that are being cultivated into waves that will make the first four months of 2012 look like child’s play.

Until then, until the end,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEU1ys-JJ48

Scientology Inc v Cook – Textbook Backfire

The San Antonio Express News summed up Miscavige’s Texas folly better than any other news service to date when it characterized it as follows:

But the suit became almost a textbook example on how litigation can sometimes backfire after Cook was called to the witness stand for a pre-trial injunction hearing in February and, with a courtroom full of reporters, outlined under oath a history of alleged oddities and abuses by the organization.

See the entire story here: San Antonio Express News

Even if Miscavige’s latest Big Lie were true (that Scientology Inc paid out nothing) and Debbie wound up paying nothing for having spoken out – then testified for good measure – for the world to hear after receiving 100 thousand dollars not to, what kind of product is this?  What kind of product is this for the millions of church of Scientology parishioner dollars expended on this fiasco?

references:

Debbie Cook and David Miscavige

Abuse of Process – David Miscavige

Scientology Inc v Debbie Cook – The End Game

Debbie Cook and David Miscavige

The end product of their agreement:

Injunction

This instrument has no legal precedence value.

It does have evil value in that Miscavige can utilize it internally as a club with which to intimidate people in similar situations that Debbie and Wayne faced in leaving the cult – the Hacienda video-taped agreement signing ceremony.  It will have an in terrorem effect upon the clueless. No doubt Miscavige has told those in Int Management and OSA INT who know of the case that this “judgment” is the fact – Debbie received nothing and wound up with a Permanent Injunction against her.  And so it will be used to keep those folk in the pen too.

I have to take some time to evaluate this treachery.

I need to take responsibility for it.  I’m just not sure immediately how to do so – but I will figure it out.

Abuse of Process – David Miscavige

Abuse of Process is a civil violation of law.  An Abuse of Process is accomplished when the court’s processes are used for an improper purpose – a purpose other than that which a party purports to use that process for.

In my professional opinion David Miscavige has used the Bexar County District Court for purposes that are improper and fraudlent.  That is assuming that the Tampa Bay Times has reported straight facts this evening.

The Times reported on the Scientology Inc v. Debbie Cook case as follows:

 The agreement dated Monday allows both sides to essentially call it even and go their separate ways. Neither pays the other side money, and Cook and her husband are legally prohibited from ever again speaking ill of the church.

I am willing to bet everything I own that this is a blatant, outright lie lodged with the court for the purposes of making David Miscavige somehow look innocent of the testimony laid on his ass on 9 February 2012: Debbie Cook Testimony

Since David Miscavige has instructed his lawyers to fraudulently use the court’s processes to lie in order to cover up his serial criminal acts committed against a woman, I will weigh in with my professional opinion.

You can take it to the bank that Miscavige agreed to pay Debbie Cook and Wayne Baumgarten seven figures, at least two times – and possibly three times  – over to make them go away.

In fact, I have bet everything I have on it.  That is because if I am wrong, David Miscavige has every means available to haul me into court.

Bank on it that the bitch won’t bring it.

Bank on it also that I will stay on this like white on rice.

Scientology Inc v Debbie Cook – The End Game

Debbie Cook and Wayne Baumgarten have settled their litigation with Scientology Inc in a manner satisfactory to themselves.

For context I think it is important that people read my 12 February post Battle of San Antonio: A Review, and pay particular attention to its conclusion:

 Greg Hughes, Debbie Hughes, Angie Blankenship and others similarly situated cannot take solace in the lack of official precedent invalidating their agreements.  I know they would love to do so as some kind of synthetic balm for their aching consciences.   Fact of the matter is, despite the lack of written judicial decision, the precedent has been set and it is clear as a bell to any literate individual aware of the Battle of San Antonio. David Miscavige has not nor can he use the courts to enforce his unlawful, unconscionable cover-up contracts.  We have proven that when push comes to shove those “agreements” are as worthless as the paper they were written on.   Further, we have established that when Miscavige attempts to isolate and tie anyone to the whipping post, there is a formidable movement out here that will protect them and lead them safely to the promised land; whether they agree with and support our aims or not.

All who contributed please take a huge win.  You got us to exactly where I predicted you could take us with your contributions.  The product was better than any of us could have expected. 

Miscavige read and heeded it.  He bought the finest Texas legal muscle money could buy – and brought in attorneys from Los Angeles, New York and Washington D.C. to join them.  All to get him out of the mess he had gotten himself into.  But, like I wrote on 12 February, the damage had been done and there would be no unringing of the bell.

There was not much purpose for the case to go forward.  Even if Scientology Inc prevailed at trial all they could win would be a money award, with little to no chance of ever collecting anything.

On Debbie and Wayne’s side the only thing to gain was further opportunities for exposure of what has already been exposed; and the potential of an award for their limited counterclaims. The 9 Feb testimony of Debbie was for the most part all that the world at large would be interested in hearing from her.

That testimony became public record on 9 February and that toothpaste can’t be put back into the tube: Temporary Injunction Hearing 9 February 2012

The cost of creating those few potential future opportunities to air what had already been aired would have been enormous – because Scientology Inc’s patented “punitive defense” technology was already gearing up huge law firms in four states.

‘Punitive defense’ technology includes making the litigation the front and center activity of the defendants’ lives for the rest of their lives, literally.  In this case it would have also taken virtually all Independent network energy available for the next several years to sustain the defendants.  And that would have required using existing communication channels, including this one, for intensive fund raising; something that would violate the very purpose of at least this communication channel.  At best, it would have been a terrible waste of potential energy.

Debbie was not joking about the physical toll her experience took on her.  When she left Scientology Inc in 2008 her first goal was to recoup her physical health so as to live a decent, healthy life.  It didn’t work out that way, primarily for the simple reason that the entire video-taped ‘settlement’ proceeding orchestrated and directed by Miscavige was a sham production.  A Communist show trial to cover Miscavige’s ass and keep Debbie under his thumb even after her physical release.

A woman from Australia whom I refer to as Grace once posted on this blog the following quote by Nelson Mandela:

“Only free men can negotiate, prisoners can’t enter in contracts” 

What you all accomplished by your support – quite in addition to those products detailed in the 12 Feb post The Battle of San Antonio – was to put Debbie into a position where she actually could negotiate with the monster to obtain the means to accomplish what she originally wanted to during her 2008 escape.   She was able to negotiate as a human being on equal footing and not as a prisoner.

What Miscavige was forced to do was to roll the clock back to late 2008 at the Hacienda Gardens and deal with Debbie Cook, but this time Debbie Cook was afforded the civil and human rights she was entitled to as a citizen of the world.  In the case of her parting of ways with Scientology Inc that meant being represented by competent legal counsel.  Thanks to you all, she had Sugar Ray Jeffrey – and like I’ve noted before, I would take one Ray Jeffrey over all the lawyers Scientology Inc money can buy, combined.

When it comes right down to brass tacks, I consider one of our first jobs on the Scientology Inc front as seeing to it that the constitutional, civil and human rights of people abused by the machine are restored and respected.

In this case, that very end product was achieved.   It was accomplished  by way of the force – and more importantly the ideas – that only the Independent network could muster on short notice.

And it was achieved with an exclamation point. That is, the abuses that were published that never otherwise would have seen the light of day are forever available on the public record.  Those truths well disseminated are protecting others from receiving the same treatment Debbie did and will continue to into the future.  Those truths will also continue to assist others to see through the matrix which they have plugged themselves into.

Because of the nature of the beast, I am not in a position to know all the details of the confidential settlement.  I had to bow out in order for it to materialize.  I demanded to be satisfied on one score before taking my leave from the process: a guarantee that nothing would be agreed upon that would detract from or nullify the accomplishment of the 9/10 Feb Battle of San Antonio.

Just before I took my leave I informed the defendants and their counsel that in order for settlement to be effectuated Miscavige absolutely would demand a pound of my own flesh in the form of statements from the defendents that he would consider harmful to me.   I told them, and Mike Rinder agreed as it might apply to him, that there would be no hard feelings if they simply told Miscavige everything they know about us – just the facts.  We have nothing to hide, and only look upon our relationship with Debbie and Wayne as an experience of giving help with no expectation of return.  Knowing the history of Miscavige directed Scientology Inc settlements over three decades, I am  confident that some exaggeration and manufacturing of fact may have been required.  I’m mentioning it in the event the truth wasn’t good enough and you wind up reading something about us from that sector that is less than admirable; you will know the circumstances from which it originates.

I have certain obligations of discretion given my role on the legal team. However, I am letting David Miscavige know right here and now that should the slightest twist of truth be published and attributed to the defendants, the gloves will come off – and I will fill the world in on the details of what really went down in technicolor.

Also from my knowledge of the beast, I am fairly confident that part of settlement includes that there will be no future participation of Debbie and Wayne in the Independent movement. If you read my posts on this matter during the first three weeks of January, you’ll understand why I don’t consider that surprising nor alarming.

I thank Wayne and Debbie for having the courage to go through what they did.  At the end of the day it will continue to help many others.

Each of you who contributed either monetarily or otherwise are highly commended.  I have no regrets for giving up three and one half months of my life to this cause, and I don’t think any one of you should either.

The positive changes this chapter will cause on the inside and outside are predictable.   Miscavige simply cannot afford a replay – let alone many times over – of the Battle of San Antonio.  And that fact will create vast, salutary ripple effects.

Update: Some perspective from Steve “Thoughtful” Hall:

The battle in which we are engaged, is not a battle of an individual vs. the monied cult. Actually, it’s not even the group of Independent Scientologists vs. the cult. It is truth vs. the cult.

In any battle where truth is advanced, that is a battle we have won. Regardless of outcome for the individuals involved. The battle is not about individuals.

We are guerrillas fighting a standing army. Guerrillas win when they avoid capture and live to fight again.

Our sole weapons consist of confront, communication and the truth that emerges as a result of that confront and communication. Time is on our side. The universe (there’s nothing inherently wrong with it) is on our side. The whole 4th dynamic (man is basically good and only 20% are PTS) are on our side. As LRH says, we work in eternity and the lions of eternity are closing ranks together on this very battlefield.

We have ALL the tech and the ability to move up the Bridge freely and inexpensively. That was the hardest battle and it is a battle already won.

We are fighting a broad front of encysted lies. Every blow releases more truth and moves us further. The only measure of advance is truth.

Our armored divisions consist of tanks of truth. As individuals living on eight dynamics, we drive those tanks forward by turns, staying in the cockpit as long as we can. The going is sometimes tough. Save yourself before it gets too hot and live to fight another day. Others are ready to take your place and give you time to catch your breath.

In any battle the acid test is did we advance the front of truth? One either believes in auditing or one doesn’t. This is auditing, no different from a pc confronting his personal bank. Truth blows the lies away.

Our group is Fabian and resilient, battle-tested and street-wise, seasoned and determined. We have been there, done that. We know the rules Miscavige plays by. We know his crimes and where to find more crimes because we know who and what we are dealing with. We know his weaknesses. We have prediction, he does not. All he has is filthy cash, gained dishonestly.

As LRH says, there is no such thing, really, as failure. There is only a failure to persist. And as long as we refuse to give up, our ultimate victory is assured.

A line in the sand has been drawn.

Pity those on the wrong side of history. Long will they live before they live it down.

And a little something for those who walk away with some of their blood, sweat and tears on the field:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xglsG-wWXos

The Church of Scientology Itself Is a Front Group

There is some truth to some comments of late on this blog about the original altruistic motives of some church of Scientology affiliated groups.  Yes, the Delphi Academy started out as a cutting edge educational experiment until it was converted by Miscavige into a center to educate youth in mindlessly worshiping Miscavige as the second coming of L Ron Hubbard.  Yes, Narconon has done, and continues to do, some spectacular work in handling drug addiction.

But, for the most part church of Scientology affiliated groups such as Artists for Human Rights, Youth for Human Rights, Yellow Shirt Disaster Volunteers (a complete and utter betrayal of LRH’s intent and advices for Volunteer Ministers) and a host of others were conceived and promoted for one purpose and one purpose alone: Public Relations Area Control (increasingly meaning making David Miscavige more prominent and less accountable for his attempted hijacking of the Scientology religion for personal wealth and self-aggrandizement).

Of such priority is David Miscavige’s PR and safety that Front Group madness has even replaced the organizations (churches) of Scientology.  We have covered extensively the waste of hundreds of millions of dollars by Miscavige in creating ornate, inanimate institutions that repel people coming in to Scientology.  All building and no people; or as we say in Texas ‘all hat and no cattle.’

Now, I am going to violate a little personal policy that I’ve held to fairly closely to date: not providing links to Scientology Inc’s gaudy and lie-infused web pages.  Yes, those webpages that rank 54,715th in America (compared to our 24,008th) despite millions spent by Miscavige on design, building and search engine optimization (including paying bundles to Google, Bing, and Yahoo for even more preferential positioning).

The following links are to Scientology Inc’s video presentations of their last two Idle orgs.  Please note they are reduced to having nothing but non Scientologist leaders pimp for them.

Sacramento Idle Org Grand Opening

Cincinnati Idle Org Grand Opening

Scientology Inc cannot even speak for itself anymore.

It has become one gaudy, continually- orchastrated delusion.

It has degenerated to the criminal leading the clueless.

 

Scientology Squirrels Busted

Tony Ortega has published a Squirrel Busters anniversary retrospective at the Village Voice.   Tony asks whether the saga marked the beginning of the end of Scientology.   I might agree with him if he had added to  “Scientology” the preceding adjective “corporate” or the following-modifier “Inc.”.  In either event, its an interesting read.

Kirstie Alley Defends David Miscavige

I have appended below excerpts of a verified transcript of an interview by the BBC’s John Sweeney with corporate Scientology celebrity Kirstie Alley. The interview was ordered and orchastrated by David Miscavige.  It was conducted on 21 March 2007 at church of Scientology Celebrity Center International in Hollywood Caliornia. I think this interview demonstrates a couple things that Scientologists ought to know about David Miscavige and his management of Scientology Inc.

First, the interview shows how celebrities are used to cover up the serial crimes of David Miscavige himself.  As we all know by now, the premise of the initial questions by Sweeny about the penalties for daring to harbor a thought contrary to Miscavige’s views is based on well-established fact.

Kirstie does a yoeman’s job of pretending those facts do not exist and diverting the conversation by positioning Sweeney’s question as akin to asking about alien sightings.

Which leads us to the second point of interest.  Kirstie by raising the specter of “aliens” sends Sweeny right down the Scientology space opera rabbit hole.  So much for Miscavige’s religious persecution complex.

Kirstie even resorts to claiming that as of the year 2007 she does not access the Internet in order to feign no knowledge of the RPF (Rehabilitation Project Force, Miscavige gulag).  Even if true, what does that say about a prominent member of the church of Scientology?  Medieval mentality?  Controlled to the point of being shielded from the outside world?  Just plain dishonest?

Kirstie did an admirable job of defending her religion against a lot of loaded questions.

However misled she may pretend to be though, the facts remain:

a)      Miscavige is a liar and a coward having people like Kirstie thrown out as canon fodder to cover his crimes.

b)      Kirstie is in fact last on record singing Miscavige’s praises, denying his documented crimes, and thus helping to perpetuate them.

KA = Kirstie Alley

JS = John Sweeney BBC

SEGMENT 1:

JS: People who have been in Scientology say that there are effectively dungeons of the mind.  Places where people who have annoyed the management, David Miscavige, end up in the desert.

KA: People say there are Martians.   Look, I am the tabloid queen.

JS: That’s wholly untrue?

KA: That is–That there are no Martians?

JS: That Scientology has got a punishment, it’s got punishment camps where people go—

KA: Listen, but John, I can’t take you seriously.  I can’t take you seriously.

JS:  –And live miserable lives.  That’s just not true.  You’ve never heard that?

KA: To my knowledge it’s not true, but I can’t take you seriously.  It’s like me asking you, when was the last time you saw a Martian?  Because I know some people in Oklahoma who totally see Martians in their backyard.  And there are those people.

JS: Okay, well let’s talk about that.

KA: But not all Okies.   I’m from Kansas.  Oklahoma’s good.  They don’t all believe in Martians.

JS: Let’s talk about aliens.

KA: Let’s talk about aliens.

(not surprisingly followed by questions about OT III)

SEGMENT 2

JS: Why–Hold on a second.  As the public face of Scientology—

KA: Am I the public face of Scientology?

JS: You are not the leader of Scientology.  As the leader of Scientology, why hasn’t Miscavige given an interview and answered these questions? What’s he afraid of?

KA If I were Mr. Miscavige, I would never sit down and do an interview with you. I love the BBC.  I love the BBC with all my heart.  Probably the best programs in the world.  I am a comedian.  I am an actress.  The best comedies in the world are on the BBC.

JS: Fine.

KA: I love your network.  But if I were Mr. Miscavige I would not sit with you because you clearly—

JS: I’d ask him a question about does he go around thumping people.

KA: And I think that that’s probably why he wouldn’t do an interview with you.  Just like I wouldn’t ask you if you’re still molesting children.

JS: … any other journalist since 1991.

KA: Pardon?

JS: He hasn’t given an interview to anyone, to a TV journalist, since 1991.

KA: Why would he?  My question is, why would he?

JS: He’s the leader of an organization—

KA: So.

JA: –that claims it’s a church.  Other people say, who have been inside it, that it’s a sinister, mind-warping, brainwashing cult.

SEGMENT 3

JS: Terrific.  So why can’t Miscavige.  Why am I talking to an actress who is a loyal Scientologist?  Why can’t we talk to the leader of the Church?  Why can’t we talk to Tom Cruise?  He’s the biggest—

TD : I already told you why.

JS: Look, I can only interview one person at a time.

KA: He has nothing to do—Look, I’d like to answer this.  I’d like to answer this.

JS: Okay. Yes.  Why is that man scared of something like the BBC?

KA: Well see, you’re putting that in there, which isn’t true. Every week I get about 250 requests for interviews.  Now, I don’t particularly like doing interviews. 

JS: Well you’re doing this one.

KA: So I turn down about 249 of those interviews.  Okay.  So I can’t imagine how many interview requests he gets.  But for whatever reason, he’s decided to turn them down.  I did this one because look, it is not my job to run around the world and defend Scientology.  But I happen to know the kind of piece you’re doing.   And I happen to respect the BBC.  And I happen to love Britain.  You know, my shows have been huge in Britain.  I’m getting ready to do a show that was beloved in Britain called the Vicar of Dibley, the American version.   I admire your actors and your artists, and I admire so much and I wonder why, why would you think someone would participate in something that is—talk about immoral and talk about creepy. This is creepy.

JS: Okay.  What is RPF?

KA: I don’t know.

JS: Don’t you?

KA: No I don’t.

JS: Have you never heard of it?

KA: No I haven’t heard of it.

JS: Do you use the Internet?

KA: No I don’t.

JS: Why not?

KA: Because I’m a bit stupid on the Internet. I’m a little bit in the 1940s. I like the phone. I can’t do the Internet.  I don’t know.