AOL Account Hijacked

It appears that my AOL email account has been hijacked. The last messages I sent out alerted folks to this new temporary blog spot. If you receive any comm from sent after 10:30 a.m. Central Standard Time, it is not from me. I’ll post here when and if that account is restored. In the interim I can be reached at I’ll let you know the minute I find that it is compromised should it be. Please continue to pass around this new blog spot address.

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    Cat Daddy // December 29, 2009 at 7:02 pm | Reply

    Church has hired some Wizz Kids it seems WWP is down too.

    It does not matter. It means they still want to play the Game. It just got more intresting.

    We thank the Church for playing the Game.

    Jim Logan // December 29, 2009 at 8:01 pm | Reply

    Thanks for reporting on the other stuff going on. I was gonna ask you if you had some insight into what may be occurring. Cheers.

    Cat Daddy // December 30, 2009 at 6:39 am

    My apoligies I acted on what I saw happening. In the end the truth will get out. It can still be an Anon. However the target is small and self defeating when atacked. To be honest I hope it was an Anon because if the C of $ is dabbling in this stuff it means they wised up.

    veritas // December 29, 2009 at 11:20 pm | Reply

    Meow Cat Daddy. If WWP is down, does the hacking finger point to the famous “Co$ intelligence” unit (oxymoron?) hacking Marty (and the REST OF US because *our free speech* has been tampered with).

    Or is it mere coincidence that two greatest whisteblowers on the ™Brand @Scio were hacked the same morning?

    Heather G // December 30, 2009 at 4:05 am | Reply

    It’s a coincidence. One of the wwp admins has posted that the dns problem for wwp was caused by him while working on the site.

    Cat Daddy // December 30, 2009 at 6:40 am

    Heather thank you for the Clarification.

    Elizabeth & Mickie // December 29, 2009 at 7:08 pm | Reply

    You don’t know your history too well do you DM?

    Big mistake attacking Marty – huge!

    Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, upon learning of the success of the December 7 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor:

    “I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve”.

    History really does repeat itself doesn’t it? What you just did was the classic Pearl Harbor mistake – you have awoken the sleeping giant of OT power.


    Cat Daddy // December 30, 2009 at 6:41 am | Reply

    This kind of thing just hightens ones determination I think no matter wich side was responsible.

    Theo Sismanides // January 1, 2010 at 7:35 pm | Reply

    well, this is exactly right Elizabeth and Mickie.
    Let’s see the sleeping giant of OT power.

    And I personally would like to know names. Now this is not an “anonymous” drills. We are NOT Anons, here. The whole Mankind is at stake. We have arrived in an era where Man is again a no one compared to Globalizaton. Few guerillas can fight a war here and there but the picture the world is getting transmitted broadly is different. The war is fought against machines which are well wound up and fully armed. Robots do not but obey orders and shoot at whoever is ordered to be shot. Indiscriminately.

    We are the light on Earth, we have the best of people, we have such, such a huge knowledge.


    My name has been out since 2000. I didn’t give a damn about the DECLARE. In fact, something I have not said before, my declare came after I wrote on the internet about the translations, not when I blew, not when I said I am not going back. It was after the Internet. And I did the Internet knowing that it will get me a laurel wreath… aka suppressive person declare by the church of…mestology.

    So, it’s taking names… The sleeping giant has slept toooooo long. Things are getting crucial now. These guys have no clue…

    Chad // December 29, 2009 at 7:52 pm | Reply

    While don’t agree with your viewpoint of Scientology, I look forward to reading your blog daily or when there are new posts. I feel that DM needs to be brought to justice, I just happen to feel that Scientology needs to be shut down also. Thanks for pressing forward despite the attacks.

    Cat Daddy // December 30, 2009 at 6:43 am | Reply

    I will settle for the Corporate structure Chad. I have no intention supressing somebodies belief system.

    If that is ones purpose one can better create the 4th Reich.

    Eponymous // December 31, 2009 at 2:28 am | Reply

    Why do you think Scientology needs to be shut down? I can tell you the reasons I used to think so: zealous and unquestioning obedience to an unaccountable leader, a preoccupation with money and bringing in members, an ends-justify-the-means mentality, requiring people to cut ties with their friends and family, an atmosphere of secrecy and us-versus-them; in short, the “cult-like” aspects of the Church of Scientology as it exists today. If these things are not fundamental to Scientology, but rather essential elements of “Miscavigism”, then I think Scientology has a future.

    I don’t believe that Christianity or Islam or Judaism or Hinduism or Buddhism is uniquely or absolutely true, but I don’t think any of them need to be shut down. I think Scientologists believe some things that are false, but as long as they aren’t hurting or misleading anyone, I’m more than happy to live with them as neighbors and friends.

    Unity Mitford // December 29, 2009 at 8:09 pm | Reply


    To avoid BS in the future I just suggest you use a very secure password (letters lower and upper case, numbers and lots of @%$@##%. Make it at least 8 characters or more). Less secure passwords can be guessed, but more likely they use a script program generate random number & letter combos that go through the options till it hits – the less complicated your PW the faster and easier it is for script kiddies to crack it.

    You also need to make up answers for your security questions that only you know. For instance a common security question is your mother’s maiden name, which can easily be found. Same goes for your first school and other info. that can be unearthed with a little research. Give answers that are factually incorrect and only you know so that others cannot bypass it with research.

    The social engineering route is the way many blogs and emails have been accessed. (It’s tech. not “hacking” just cracking a password or social engineering info. WordPress, aol, and FB are pretty secure, the security breeches usually come from the users end of things.)

    Just last year the anons cracked the PW of Sara Palin’s yahoo account with just a little social engineering and well, her stupidity. She made it way too easy for them. I would guess that certain forces alligned with the cult have been trying to access your blog and emails for awhile. What I can’t figure out is why they would deface the blog and let everyone know. Seems like they would just put a key logger trojan in your emails and the monitor everything you say or do from them on.

    BTW – have someone you know who is tech savy do a really good look see on your hard drive to make sure there are no key logger trojans (viruses) on your computer. If there is one, whoever put there, is getting constant reports to every keystroke you make on your computer. (It’s yet another way people get passwords btw. But even more importantly they would see know all the communication you send out.)

    Not trying to be bossy, just offering some good advice so you can protect yourself.


    Theo Sismanides // January 1, 2010 at 7:45 pm | Reply

    No, no unity, this is not Bossy… it’s not advice, it’s called Organizing and you get assigned to that post, ha ha I am joking…

    Actually I wouldn’t be joking if you guys took it seriously. I don’t know what’s happening next.

    Cat Daddy // January 2, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Independant Scientologists are “hatting” themselves I see lol. Isn’t that freedom.

    Lucy // December 29, 2009 at 8:14 pm | Reply

    To level the playing field, hire an overseas programmer (Eastern Europeans are the best) who can help you fight the attacks and be offensive. They are really cheap and very effective, they know all the tricks of the trade and are probably on someone elses payroll already!

    Look online you will find lots of companies who help make overaseas connections.

    Koos // December 29, 2009 at 8:19 pm | Reply

    Those are excellent suggestions, Unity Mitford.

    veritas // December 29, 2009 at 9:58 pm | Reply

    Wow, this isn’t the game I wanted to play. I just wanted to live and thrive with friends.

    It was really a shock to find Marty’s blog gone and I felt the reality again of what a huge vacuum *suck* it is not having free communication channels.

    So the “unChurch” of unScientology just put an Anon kid’s head on a pike by broadcasting to the media he got jail time for hacking the the Co$ website … while they break into people’s emails and hack Anon’s website and Marty’s blog and email.

    I have to cry at the sad state of oppressive criminality. Will the good guys *please* help USA citizens and people of the world out? We have zeroed in on the hateful scam that is being perpetrated under the name of “holiness” and “spirituality”.

    While insisting on morals for others, they commit heinous crimes.

    I really don’t get this and it’s really a sad sad day in the USA.

    My only consolation is that right this moment, more than one person is looking behind the PR smokescreen of do-good. Any life legacy of true philosophy that is Scientology — is baited on a fish hook.

    That’s why there are “mixed messages” and confusions. Both exist. The good…AND the criminal abuse.

    P. Henry // December 30, 2009 at 2:26 am | Reply

    Veritas, it’s just another day (same ole, same ole) on planet earth. The game is very, very old.

    There’s basically three primary hats in this game; slave, slave masters and finally there are those that never agree to put on the chains or order the chains to be put on. These are the freedom fighters who always work to free the slaves and eradicate the slave masters. This configuration of players is known as the Karpman Triangle (see wikipedia). And it cycles and cycles and cycles, ad nauseum, with a continuous display of hat changing amonst the players.

    But finally, after who knows how many trillions of mest years, this being comes along and decides to come up with something that will terminatedly break the seemingly never ending cycle. Well, long story short, he pulls it off. He figures out a way to unplug the cycle. He introduces the concept of “salvage” into the game. But, not just salvage the slave, and the slave master but salvage the freedom fighter too.

    Now here we are. What was originally set up to be the “good (white) hat” and instrument of salvafe i.e., CoS has now become the “bad (black) hat.” The “white hats” are now out where the “black hats” used to be. But, there is something very different about the game this time. This group of “white hats” have not fell into the trap of the Karpman Triangle These “white hats” , this time, aren’t out to free the slaves from the slave master. No, this time, ther are intent on bringing an end to the game so that, finally, a better game can be played. A game like that which you mentioned veritas. A game where we can live and thrive with friends. A game where there are no slaves or slave masters and no need for freedom fighters.

    At this point, what boggles my mind is how the “black hats” were able to successfully usurp the instrument of salvage. And, for me, these past few weeks have been a real moment of waking up to realize that this salvage game, I have been so fond of, was not any where near as far along as I had been thinking it was.

    Me thinks veritas, that we had best be on our toes and sleep with one eye open for a while longer.

    Theo Sismanides // January 1, 2010 at 8:32 pm | Reply

    I hear this woman saying it’s a sad day, a sad sad day in the USA and I hear also my wife when I read to her a previous post of mine about mankind’s future being at stake, and she is saying: “oh you take it too seriously”.

    So I am with the good guys and what am I doing? For 10 years now. I have 2 kids I am trying to give an education, a stupid, fucked up education in the wog world, I am alone as a reg in my business of publishing, fighting with merchants and getting them to pay for ads and a fashion mag that I am publishing with my wife, we are getting exhausted between family and work for 10 years now after our declares…

    I am not blaming anyone for this life… I have my children despite what DM wished me and ALL Sea Org not to have, I have my mag it’s called Theta MAG (I am proud about it, go have a look, though it’s all Greek to you guys, ha ha, but there are nice fashion pictures there, just for a change, ha ha,

    and now once again I am close back to my universal brothers, dumped or in any case living HERE on Earth in this game/war (you name it, now)

    and I am reading Veritas saying it’s a sad sad day in the USA.

    And where are the good guys? I tell you where WE all the good guys are! We are all at home and the war is going on.

    If we don’t take our posts on an org board guys, that’s it. It’s just not going to work, sorry.

    We have to come down to Action, Tone Level 20 on the Tone Scale. This is optimum randomity. We cannot be in cloud 9 and have Veritas here calling the good guys. DOOOOOOOO YOUUUUUUU HEEEARRR me?

    So, what is the BIG missing thing, here. What is the missing DATUM here?

    I want to start a discussion on this, I believe the big missing datum here is the ORG BOARD. Maybe it’s something else, a bigger, even more basic thing, which I need help to locate. Maybe it’s just INTENTION, maybe, maybe, Let’s open up a discussion on this and I am not talking anything about the mestology church, I am talking about Mankind, a better world, better education, people who know who they are, what is life and the MEST Universe…

    So many good things we can do, TOGETHER not just alone, it’s not done as one(s), it’s done as hundreds and thousands and millions. This is LRH’s dream and this has been the dream of Veritas.

    We can give it to her, if we move… on to the next step.


    veritas // December 29, 2009 at 10:05 pm | Reply

    Adding: That’s why there are “mixed messages” and confusions in the eyes of the public about the fake corporate outfit that is posing as the activity of Scientology.

    My only consolation is that right this moment, more than one person is looking behind the PR smokescreen of the ™do-good Organization calling itself a Church of Scientology.

    Any life legacy of true philosophy that is Scientology — is baited by the ™ $cio Corporation on a fish hook.

    Both exist. The good…AND the criminal abuse. It is the intention that defines an activity. While many within are well-meaning, they are being duped. We’ve all experienced how atmosphere and management trickles from the top down — in cities, in groups.

    The ideology is not at fault. It’s how it is being used, and those using it for evil control must and will be held accountable.

    People matter.

    Boyd H. // December 29, 2009 at 10:11 pm | Reply

    We’re so going to win this. You gotta laugh it’s so amateur. Thanks for firing everyone up OSA.

    RJ // December 29, 2009 at 10:51 pm | Reply

    They were able to bring down WWP too!

    What Davy do call his friends over at Fort Meade and have ‘em sic the Red Team on us?

    Hey Dave if you’re reading this I see you’re pulling out all the stops and probably calling in favors in the IC, which means you are probably getting desperate that Marty like Dorothy will be lifting that green curtain soon.

    My suggestion is that you call up your buddies in the Agency, so they can move you to a country that doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the US and start laundering those funds from that “Ideal Org” scam and your other rackets.

    You don’t want to end up like poor Manuel Noriega.

    veritas // December 29, 2009 at 11:24 pm | Reply

    Heee heee…. RJ you made me laugh. Let’s post the actual video.

    Here he is,

    The Man Behind the Curtain


    Thought provoking // December 29, 2009 at 11:32 pm | Reply

    what is WWP?

    Jim Logan // December 29, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    thought provoking,
    If you want a journey into mental mayhem, check out WWP. After reading the above from Cat Daddy I went to their site and forums. No word of them being down. Whoever is behind the recent messings with the blog and accounts is, whether it be one of OSA, Anon, or any other, this is just prank stuff. Nasty pranks yes, but about as puerile as it gets.

    A word to the wise if you go to WWP, be flat on Bullbait and prepared for the lowest reaches of the tone scale manifested in communication. What there is of it.

    veritas // December 30, 2009 at 12:56 am

    Yeah, I agree with Jim.

    I peaked at WWP. There’s a lot of venting and random agendas … Not that it’s not sometimes warranted but the trains of thought often lack a caboose. Hence, spinny.

    Thought provoking // December 30, 2009 at 12:59 am

    Although I can handle it, those sites don’t hold my interest long. My reason for asking is that it was mentioned in several posts and I don’t know what it is. So, what does it stand for?

    Heather G // December 30, 2009 at 4:08 am = wwp

    Jim Logan // December 30, 2009 at 4:22 am

    Thought provoking,
    Why We Protest.

    Cat Daddy // December 30, 2009 at 6:48 am

    Veritas and Jim Logan are right. If you as an Indepandant want to sleep well at night it is not advisable to visit the Fire Ant Heap.

    There is however a reaseanbly site made by WiseOldGoat that is les antagonistic but still has some usefull insights and information.

    It is no messageboard but more of a History of Scientology without the Blame finger pointing.

    Pirate // December 30, 2009 at 12:45 am | Reply

    Great work Marty. it really seems you hit the right button on clear. My wife got caught up in it in Australia. On two CCRDs different class 9 auditors strongly infered that she was clear then RTC & the senior cs said NOT Clear and forced back onto Ned. She protested but this wasn’t taken as a result of wrong indication just a dificult pc.
    We recently left a comment on Lise story and since your email was hacked we just got an email from Flag saying ” You may have heard a rumor something big is happening . You need to call us now. ‘ They are worried. If you need this for evidence in criminal action we have it.

    Heather G // December 30, 2009 at 4:11 am | Reply

    Pirate, if your evidence of criminal activity relates to Australia, please send it to Senator Xenophon (and the police). You can contact him at Thanks.

    anonkatie // December 30, 2009 at 1:36 am | Reply

    Thought Provoking,

    WWP=Why we protest which was in fact down for some time today. Unlike what Jim says, WWP is not mental mayhem, but expression without censorship. In such an environment, you can have stupidity, but you can also have courage, and bravery and brilliance.

    This might be unfamiliar to those used to tight control of what they are allowed to think and seem “low on the tone scale”. But it is full of people who have been fighting this battle on the front lines longer than most of the people here. It is because of these people, whom Jim believes are the “lowest reaches of the tone scale”, that Jim is even free to say what he says. It is because of the cover provided by Anonymous and the “safety in numbers” that any media even listens to anything that Marty says. WWP and Anonymous has made greater criticism possible.

    Jim, in his deep dissection of WWP, has apparently missed all the work that WWP and Anons have done to help the cause of freedom for Scientologists and to help bring the organization to justice.

    martyrathbun09 // December 30, 2009 at 2:19 am | Reply

    Anonkatie, Jim’s description of the comm level of WWP was quite generous to you all. If anyone wants to know how DM address his staff and all international management on any given day, log onto WWP and read one thread. I’ve NEVER seen such foul, denigrating language used anywhere else. Only by DM and WWP.

    RJ // December 30, 2009 at 7:35 am

    I agree Marty.

    They are also hallucinatory cause as well. If they think their existence in any way enhances our First Amendment rights.

    In regard to that, Anonkatie. Jim has every right to express his opinion and your denigrative response basically proves his point.

    Oh by the way.

    When did you guys start taking trade craft lessons from Boris Korczak?

    You know what the say about former spooks?

    Keep going where you guys seem to be going and soon you’ll have you very own 201s at the Agency

    anonkatie // December 30, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    Looks like you might be missing the forest for the trees, Marty.
    I think everyone should make the decision for themselves.
    Some can deal with unvarnished truth, others can’t. But you didn’t
    address my greater point, the worth of the site for the cause.

    Thought provoking // December 30, 2009 at 2:43 am | Reply

    Thank you for answering my question. I am familiar with the site, just didn’t recognize the abreviations.

    Theo Sismanides // January 1, 2010 at 8:50 pm | Reply

    Anonkatie, hi, I see that a lot of anons can differentiate between mestology and Scientology, which is good.

    We here, if I may speak on behalf of those who have worked in the Sea Org at least and in Scientology organizations are very much in agreement with certain policies and principles that others aren’t, have even a huge reality as to things which have to do with the spirit and even a very codified and scientific language and terminology which helps us communicate and understand much better than anyone else the concepts we want to convey.

    So, we are done with attacks on scientology. Those are attacks on mestology.

    Me personally, I am interested now in getting on with scientology and helping people with it. Not interested into getting in other fights.

    And we don’t owe to anyone our freedom to speak, especially to Anons.

    No. Sorry. No. that you did a job yes, but it was so turbulent, the message you got across was STOP ALL SCIENTOLOGY. It was confused. Not our responsibility. Civilized beings can communicate better and this is what we mean by not high tones.

    I can agree the masks might be needed for you guys. But you managed to mask your whole communications under an ugly face. Not good PR, good for war, OK.

    Now, for us this war is ending, we are gaining our people back and to that you may want to help us.

    But this blog here, we have a certain agreement and common language and reality and affinity, that NOTHING can crash our understanding of what we are about to do.

    We are OK, anonkatie.

    Underground For Now // December 30, 2009 at 1:48 am | Reply

    What is WWP?

    Cat Daddy // December 30, 2009 at 6:55 am | Reply

    Its the Anonymous Why We Protest Board. But you may want to try the Ex-Scientology-Message Board first. Carefull now. Thoughtfull has a site up too.

    Eponymous // December 30, 2009 at 2:06 am | Reply

    I hate to see this conversation venue get hassled from the “left” and “right”. This has probably been said above in a different way, but it’s rotten of people to go out of their way to suppress free communication. If you have an opinion, share it…just be polite!

    In other news, I cleaned out my local library of LRH books…11 in all. I’ll delve into them to become better informed in this discussion.


    Jim Logan // December 30, 2009 at 5:24 am | Reply

    If those 11 books include Self Analysis and Handbook for Preclears, I recommend you follow through on the reading and DO those processes. You will need auditing to truly be ‘informed’. I recommend you get some from a competent auditor in addition to SA and HFP. Study, training and such are 50% of this experience, add in use on another as part of that and the other critical 50% is actual, real, case changing auditing.

    RJ // December 30, 2009 at 9:02 am | Reply

    Welcome back Eponymous.

    Sometimes thinks get a lil’ crazy, ’round here, but it’s all good.

    That’s great you got some books. I’d be interested in your opinions about the subject.


    Eponymous // December 31, 2009 at 2:35 am | Reply

    I have Self Analysis (actually they had two editions filed under two different Dewey numbers…I checked both out to see if there were any differences)…they didn’t have Handbook for Preclears.

    Otto // December 30, 2009 at 3:02 am | Reply

    Hmm, I send a message to Marty via FB to help him secure his systems but if his email was compromised… IMHO he should pay a $20/month server and he should encrypt all the hard disk (even swap) running with a hardened Linux kernel.

    Then he must have one encryption key himself and the other should be with one of his friends. In that server he should have his personal email account and his blog which BTW is now very important.

    Jonathon Barbera // December 30, 2009 at 3:20 am | Reply

    Although I would love to own and study the new $7,500 lecture package, I do not want to fund the enslavement and abuse within David Miscavige’s Church of Scientology (mestology).

    If there are one thousand people like me who have read Marty Rathbun’s blog and are unwilling to give more money to the suppression, then Marty’s blog is costing the church $7,500,000!

    This new $7,500 lecture set is being hard sold in the immediate Present Time.

    That is a probable why for the hacking.

    Margaret // December 30, 2009 at 4:31 am | Reply

    It’ll likely be on ebay in a few months (or weeks) at a fraction of the current cost.

    Jim Logan // December 30, 2009 at 5:33 am | Reply

    Good points on having and studying these materials. Factually, releasing this data is something LRH wanted decades ago. It will be great to have the materials finally available. Unfortunately, as is DM’s way, he’ll likely invalidate the entirety of Scientologists in his release, run a can’t have on the materials (the cost) and generally mar what is after all a good thing.

    I’m looking forward to the material available. One more piece of the data that is in the end, the undoing of all this aberration and that includes DM’s ossified case…well, that one may take a bit longer. I wonder who he can twin with…

    lunamoth // December 30, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    How can anyone be sure the new materials have not been altered from the original LRH in some meaningful way?

    Simply editing context alone can alter meaning and understanding, but the technology exists to do much more than that. Can any product of the church of miscavology be trusted at this point?

    Jim Logan // December 30, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    I got the Tech 88 series of tapes from the Basics re-issues. They are fine. I’ll wager that the ACC’s are going to be just fine too. Lucky for us, LRH said stuff over and over, a different angle, a different example, and so if DM has clipped one bit from one tape, it is in another.

    Theo Sismanides // January 1, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Hi Jim, what are these materials? I thought it was a re-release of stuff already released.

    Chad // December 30, 2009 at 5:42 am | Reply

    Get it on eBay or you can check the anti scientolgy sites and probably pick it up for free.

    Lise // December 30, 2009 at 9:02 am | Reply

    Your maths is impressive Jonathon, puts it very much in perspective. Marty you sure are costing the church. Hiphip hooray

    TRUTH // December 30, 2009 at 4:34 am | Reply

    Marty, You are truly a very strong thetan and a man of courage. Thank you for getting this blog up and running!! 🙂

    I can not stop laughing at DM and his stupid tricks. What an idiot he is! What is he thinking? I don’t think he can even sleep at night without have a nightmare that WE are bringing him down sooner than he think! 🙂

    I am spreading out the words about your blog. Lets keep on going and expose more TRUTH out there!!!!!!! 🙂

    QuinnTheEskimo // December 30, 2009 at 4:48 am | Reply

    Hi Marty!

    Just sending you some good vibes.

    martyrathbun09 // December 30, 2009 at 3:44 pm | Reply

    Hi Quinn, Thanks!

    Redneck Thetan // December 30, 2009 at 5:38 am | Reply

    Very glad to find you, Marty. For some reason I become really concerned that those who have issues with you will somehow silence your voice, and it’s one that’s personally taught me a lot.

    If you find yourself having issues with for hacking and assistance in stopping the hacking, consider finding a really strong ISP and building it in WordPress, where you can plugin several extra security feature. Or another option I highly recommend is Posterous, where you can post to the blog simply with an email.

    Lemme know if you need any help in any way. I know a good ISP and I do this stuff for a living.

    martyrathbun09 // December 30, 2009 at 2:28 pm | Reply

    Redneck Thetan & and the rest with security advice – thanks for all your input. Secure systems are being put in place. For the next few days we’ll have to cope.

    Theo Sismanides // January 1, 2010 at 9:57 pm | Reply

    Redneck Thetan and all,

    First of all, I am trying to help, I want to clear that up. Today, 1st of the year, I am so happy, I didn’t do almost nothing else, except take my family out for a walk, than study everybodie’s posts on the blog.

    So, I am happy this year begings with a lot of exchange of data and with high level of agreement. So you are a pro in this. This is great.

    All I wanted to add up here and in other replies or posts about security is that I can donate 50 euro for the cause of protecting the site. And I don’t want to be given any title like Patron Internitorius LOL,

    it’s just that I feel this is the use of the org board. Getting all the vectors aligned.

    That we have that engram now does not mean we cannot be sane again. Sanity is: there is a danger, let’s apply the formula and handle it.

    I was just told that another Independent’s declaration on the Internet got nuked. That is NOTSAWARE. He just told me.

    I am an admin person obviously. I will help run out the engram of TOO MUCH ORGANIZATION for TOO MUCH MONEY for TOO MUCH SLAVERY.

    instead I will work with you guys, for GOOD ORG BOARDing, FOR FLOWS AND RESULTS TO OCCUR.

    Concerned Citizen // December 30, 2009 at 8:26 am | Reply

    I reckon you are at least right, it may be double. Since I know of 5 in my immediate vicinity who like you and I will not pay it, though we’d love to have the material. To this add the various Scientologist who are now broke due to Church practices and have no more credit and can not come up with any more money. Yeah, income will dwindle fast

    Jean Paul // December 30, 2009 at 1:41 pm | Reply

    I keep a fairly close eye on all the sites associated with the independant movement and Marty’s is the most important. Yes, the independant movement is attacking the church of scientology, as are others (such as WWP etc). The difference is in the intention behind the attack. Whereas some have seen wrong and allowed themselves to be consumed by hate and a desire to destroy, the independant movement has seen wrong and is demanding reform. The intention is what seperates the independant movement from past attackers of the CofS. What is especially important is that by naming names and giving specific instances and who was responsible, the independant movement is allowing many to see a deeper dimension to Scientology and by this Marty is slowly aligning forces towards the goal of a reformed scientology. The fact that the blog is forwarding this goal, the fact that it is well moderated, allowing for a real interchange of ideas on the subject of reform, while gently restraining those who are still enraged, makes this blog very valuable. This blog will continue to be an OSA top priority and as long as DM holds power, attacks on this blog will always come first. I also recommend that this blog be set up on an owned domain and placed on a paid hosting and given the same kind of protection that scientology-cult has. The important facts are out now. If there is anything to add, it will just be further confirmation of what is already known. It is now a matter of making the facts known in a way that members of the religion can understand and organizing enough people with enough pull to do something about it. The government will not handle this, nor will the police. Anyone who has ever been involved in a court case should be able to understand that that is not the place to find actual justice. Attacks on the church will not succeed. Its membership will draw in and close ranks. What will succeed is to gently enlighten existing membership on the need for reform, done with documented and bare facts presented without sensationalism or hate. Most followers are aware that something is wrong. For most followers they are there because they liked the philosophy in the first place. So its pointless to attack the philosophy. They must be shown the neded for specific reform. Scientology philosophy will never disappear. But an abusive church management structure can be forced to reform, history has show that over and over. If education is done in such a way that followers can understand and accept it, then eventually that will reach a kind of “critical mass” and reforms will take place (most important being removal of DM). Right now there is some “damage control” being done with small improvements being made to try and cover over the worst sores. So the monster is starting to dance our tune, abliet very reluctantly and very slowly. If the movement continues, eventually the reform will gather momentum and become unstoppable. It will work if enough people can understand that only through gentle education can reform be accomplished. IMHO the two most important websites from here on out are this blog and (Though I have to say that leaving Scientology always comes up with great and current zingers that are a pleasure to read). And IMHO this blog needs to get its armor plating on, because the better we do the worse this will get.

    Thought provoking // December 30, 2009 at 3:22 pm | Reply

    You and I are on the same page.

    Maria // December 30, 2009 at 4:10 pm | Reply

    I agree completely with this analysis. Perhaps it is time to revisit the CODES of Scientology, in particular the CODE of a Scientologist.

    Definition of code: any system or collection of rules and regulations: a gentleman’s code of behavior.

    The Code of a Scientologist has been ignored and invalidated by the C of S. If you look over this Code it becomes apparent that just about everything that is being protested by the Independents is a violation of one or more of the clauses of the Code of a Scientologist.

    If this Code is not stressed as the overarching principles from which to interpret the materials of Scientology, we all end up in the soup. And I don’t just mean Scientologists, I mean everyone that is touched by the very real impact of Scientology.

    Here is a lnk to the Code of a Scientologist:

    veritas // December 31, 2009 at 2:05 am

    Maria, Thanks for posting the Code of a Scientologist. I liked reading it again. So simple, so sane and could be the Code of a Human Being.

    Curious // December 30, 2009 at 3:05 pm | Reply

    Marty, in 31 factors you wrote:
    Miscavige’s abuse of Scientology executives and staff became so extreme and continuous, he resorted to locking all of CMO INT and Exec Strata into a building and called the prison “the Hole.” RTC, CMO/WDC, Gold, IAS, CST, OSA Int and ASI executives and staff have regularly been deposited in the Hole and subjected to Reverse Dianetics, including physical beatings and severe mental abuse for months or even years at a time.”

    For those of us who are following your blog but have not been staff at INT and do not have friends that have been staff at INT, would you or someone on this site answer a few questions to clarify what is going on or was going on?

    What is the exact address of the INT base?
    How many staff do you think work there at the moment?
    How many armed guards are there?
    How many personal security staff does DM have?
    How many staff do you think is loyal to DM?
    How many staff do you think might want to leave?
    How can he beat several staff without them fighting back? Is that because he is always surrounded by several personal security staff?
    What hapens if a staff member wants to leave and refuses any sec check, interview, RPF, all??
    With all these beatings what kind of a “culture” is there at INT?


    Curious // December 30, 2009 at 3:22 pm | Reply

    Marty, in 31 factors you wrote:

    Miscavige’s abuse of Scientology executives and staff became so extreme and continuous, he resorted to locking all of CMO INT and Exec Strata into a building and called the prison “the Hole.” RTC, CMO/WDC, Gold, IAS, CST, OSA Int and ASI executives and staff have regularly been deposited in the Hole and subjected to Reverse Dianetics, including physical beatings and severe mental abuse for months or even years at a time.”

    For those of us who are following this blog but have not been staff at INT or do not have a friend who have worked at INT I wonder if you or someone here at the site would clarify a few things?

    What is the exact address of INT base?
    How many staff do you think work there at the moment?
    How many of tehse staff are loyal to DM?
    How many of these staff might want to leave?
    How many armed guards are there?
    How many personal security staff does DM have?
    How can he beat several staff without them fighting back? Is that because he is always surrounded by his security personnel?
    What happens if a staff member wants to leave and refuses to do any sec check, interview, RPF etc?
    With all these beatings what kind of a “culture” is there at INT?


    Sinar // December 31, 2009 at 12:13 am | Reply


    Most of the info is available at ESMB and WWP and St Pete Times articles and Quite a few of your questions are asking for opinions or estimates which really doesn’t have anything to do with Independents.

    Suggest you get Marc Headley’s book Blown For Good to get a flavor of “culture”, he does describe it well.

    Jim Logan // December 30, 2009 at 3:34 pm | Reply

    There are two posts here that address important ideas that I share with regard to the Why We Protesters. That’s the one by P Henry on games/characters and the one by Jean Paul. I’ve been told several times now on this blog that my ability to be there and communicate is somehow related to ‘Anonymous’ and claimed (by you in this case) accomplishments. I will respond to this again here: no, Anonymous has nothing to do with my ability to be, hold a position and two terminals and generate power. I have been, long before Anonymous ever found the starting line in these issues regarding the Church of Mestology.

    While a number of the Anon movement were cutting their teeth on Nintendo, I was a Sea Org member at the Int base holding a post and facing up to the suppression I was becoming aware of. I was declared and expelled by David Miscavige. He broke up my marriage. He assigned me to ‘oblivion’ never to get the OT levels.

    While various Anons graduated from Nintendo to the the internet, I studied philosophy, basic science, religion, and the bulk of the material of Dianetics and Scientology. I also followed the development of the internet.

    Presently, while the ‘cats’ at the Anon forums play with words, denigrate random targets, including each other, post ‘goatse’s’ and make attempts at being ‘V’, I am moving on the OT levels, studying daily and participating in the factual running out of 3D engrams (you’ll have to actually study the data on these to gain some rudimentary understanding. Start with The Original Thesis and then up the line in late 50 early 51 are the articles on ‘Group Dianetics’. If you can read these you’ll get some idea of what I’m referring to).

    Up until recently, I had not taken the hour to look up ‘Anonymous’ and trace it back to 4chan, and so on, so I was somewhat general in my understanding. Having now looked up various items, watched the ominous videos, read page after page of forum chat, and re-read emails sent to me by several Anonymous, I have a better grasp of the ‘movement’.

    I see there ARE sincere individuals that would fall under the ‘freedom fighters’ of P Henry’s posting. These are after my own heart, should I choose to assume that character. I also see there are the post pubescent, young adult ‘too much pop and video games’ with nothing better to do than anonymously spew venom, denigration, pal around on the cutesy pie flipping of letters and poor neologisms, and overall make me wonder if there were only more Super Nannies, would these miscreants hold some productive place in the culture?

    I also see that the idea of ‘V’, the refusal to be submissive slaves, the refusal to submit to a ‘Chancellor’ and state that regulates every movement, thought and action of a society, is a very innate and valuable concept and that many members of Anonymous continue to create on this line and can and do effect positive action in the world around them. Kudos to those individuals.

    There, now you have something to chat about. A little ‘nip’ so to speak.

    Heather G // December 31, 2009 at 2:55 am | Reply

    Dear Jim, I won’t defend Anonymous. But I thank you for reading and for recognising the wide diversity of those involved.

    Cat Daddy // January 2, 2010 at 4:24 pm | Reply

    Mrauw Jim. Cats can be nice but alsoo scratch your hand at a whim.

    Virgil Samms // December 30, 2009 at 4:27 pm | Reply

    Jean Paul; Your posting has dialed in on the precise handling that will begin to get us what we want. We need to produce the “gentle” handling and get that monster to dance even more lively to our tune.

    All of us on this blog have a chance here to be involved in an actual movement to start the strangle hold on DM. We all need to find and enlighten at least 3 Mestology Followers this week, have them read Marty’s 31 points so that they get the picture and then understand what it is that they are feeling that isn’t quite right. We need to make this a weekly campaign and actually work to raise this stat on a weekly basis.

    I know, I know, I am going to get a lot of feedback from those who are spectators on how dare I use admin tech to product-officer them and so forth, but understand we need to do SOMETHING as a team and this is one thing we can actually do. What say?


    This is something all of us can do.

    Theo Sismanides // January 1, 2010 at 9:19 pm | Reply

    VS, there you go! I am with you. You get that post! Hurray!

    Let us know, and f…orget the spectators.

    I don’t have many lines to Mestology Followers but I think this is a special section and a lot of people will have lines to such people.

    Unity Mitford // December 30, 2009 at 5:04 pm | Reply

    Lesson on WWP – it sprung from 4chan which sprung from SomethingAwful. SomethingAwful’s “Debate & Discussion” forum would impress all of you, I promise. However, 4chan branched off from SA as an image board and has gone through many evolutions, but it is still just a image board on the japanese model.

    One thing you must have to read WWP is a sense of humor, the blacker the better. Scienotologist are known for being a overly serious bunch, particularly with LRH’s rules on “jokers & degraders” I’ve always thought that’s why exs and currents sometimes find WWP so disturbing – their refusal to be serious and insistence on being wise asses. Everyone knows authority figures hate wise-asses, and WWP is a forum full of them.

    It’s obviously not for everyone and I think older people particularly have trouble with it because the humor is not of their liking or understanding. I assure you anyone under 35 gets it. (Many people over 35 to but they are fewer and far between)

    The great thing about freedom is no one is forced to read it. If you don’t like just stay away – everyone is happy that way.

    Jim Logan, you may want to look down your nose on the Nintendo generation kids, while you were a Sea Orger at the time, but guess who’s taking over the world now and running the internet and all it’s venues: The Nintendo Generation. Sea Orgers are still just suffering under an abusive system.

    Jim Logan // December 30, 2009 at 5:48 pm | Reply

    I’m afraid the Nintendo generation isn’t anything new for me. Keep in mind I’m a Scientologist. I’m very familiar with pictures, facsimiles and the virtual reality. I’m also familiar with actuality. That’s a different look.

    Again with the megalomania of ‘taking over the world and running the internet and all it’s (sic) venues’. FFS, (my own acronym, For F…’s Sake), ‘we are everywhere’ isn’t reality OR actuality.

    As for ‘wise-asses’ well, Marty is right, I’ve been generous. So far.

    Lastly, unless you recognize this persiflage, I’m having fun. And I’m VERY old. More ‘nip’ for you here putty tat.

    Jim Logan // December 30, 2009 at 5:53 pm | Reply

    Oh yeah, ‘black’ humor is one thing, it’s usually pretty funny. ‘Black mass’ humor is another and not so much.

    veritas // December 31, 2009 at 2:17 am | Reply

    Hi Unity…

    “Scienotologist are known for being a overly serious bunch,…”

    Obviously, you had not yet met ME 😀 I’m a joker and upgrader.

    Then again, I don’t like to be identified with generalities, not even gender, race and especially not by practices.

    Jesus would have never condoned the Vatican Inquisition, and yet those people claimed to love the guy. Go figure. (So even though I received my first holy communion, please don’t call me Catholic. And even though I utilize standard Scientology, please don’t call me a Scientologist). Especially since the word has so many variable. Better to ascibe it to DOING rathering than what I is. 🙂

    That said, …it could be a matter of mere semantics, but I personally find a huge difference between “serious” and “solid”. I have seen a lot of people get “self righteous” and “condescending”. LIke, you know, a person can take partying very serious but that makes for some serious fun.:)

    Hey BTW I hope our discussion about philosophers wasn’t hacked to oblivion. You were last singing the praises of Kant (if I recall right?)

    becomingAware // December 30, 2009 at 7:43 pm | Reply

    Excellent recovery! Went through a loss there for a bit before a friend pointed us here. Nice Validation the Co$ has given the movement. The hackers probably weren’t aware that would be the result.

    David from England // December 30, 2009 at 10:17 pm | Reply

    Jim (and others). What would you give as advice to someone like me who had a very basic encounter withe the Church (a few tapes, the Comm Course, PTS/SP Course, a few hours – powerful tho, so I know this stuff works) of auditing, and nothing else on that side, but a rather bruising encounter with OSA much later on when I began to look at the church for my local paper (and I acknowledge now that I was coming at things from the wrong angle…)

    What should I read first? Self-analysis? Where should I go? There seems to be a lot of options on the Freezone of varying degrees of merit. I looked into Gerbode’s group – interesting but these days increasingly geared towards mental health profesionals, not the likes of me.

    Joe Howard // December 31, 2009 at 12:08 am | Reply

    Dave, it would be hard to find something better for you to do than Self Analysis. The text is excellent introductory reading and the lists will change the way you think about yourself. Half an hour a day is all it will take. There was a guy at Int who worked in the Finance Office who supposedly had been doing SA Lists on himself for decades, every night when he went home. This guy was in his 70s and still running around like a spring chicken. Good luck with it. Post your wins on

    Jim Logan // December 31, 2009 at 3:59 pm | Reply

    I’d do what Joe suggests. I have a friend who years ago would go to the public library and he and a buddy would audit stuff they read in the books. They’d never heard of a Church of Scientology. There they were, in a quiet corner, running Opening Procedure by Duplication.

    My suggestion is to find a friend and do SA lists with each other. Get a copy of Handbook for Preclears and do the same.

    As to the various and sundry off-shoots, such as you mentioned, I’d stick to the ‘real sh..’. That’s LRH’s stuff. I’d also go to a website entitled the International Freezone Association if you’re looking for ‘freezone’ stuff. That association espouses straight LRH, no off-beat chasers. If you come across guys that are in any way saying, ‘well, we agree with Mr. Hubbard, except…’ go to someone else. That’s my advice.

    I’ll tell you what. If you have any questions about the validity of what you find, write me. AND, you are beginning an adventure, treat it as such. May you never be the same.

    David from England // December 31, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Jim, Joe and RJ,

    Many thanks for your advice. Just went to ABEBooks and bought brand new SA and HFP for £8.12(postage included!). That means not a penny in the pocket of DM. Will keep you informed of my progress. I’m excitied by the thought of coming back onstream – I never thought it would be possible.

    RJ // December 30, 2009 at 11:09 pm | Reply


    Self Analysis, is a good place to start.

    You can also run the lists on yourself. They’re a lot of fun.

    Just do ‘em the way Ron tells you how to do it.

    It’s kinda like being audited by the Ol’man himself.

    If you have any difficulty I’m sure there are plenty of people on this board more than willing to help. Including myself.

    Good luck 🙂


    Maxim // January 1, 2010 at 5:27 am | Reply

    Love the email address:

    So you must be the South Texas Lensman. Those who have read Doc Smith’s sci fi space opera Lensmen series know that lensman can communicate telepathically.

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