Tiziano Lugli breaks free


I REMEMBER by Tiziano Lugli

 I remember when Scientology was fun…when Scientologists were actually UP TONE!

When staff members were eager to get on their posts and produce the VFPs of their Hats, not to be turned into 24/7 All Hands Regging Particles.

I remember when CC Int used to be fun. When there were not cliques of celebs and big donors, not A-B-C-D lister. Where you would have a friendly environment where people where actual friends.

Chick mixing it up with Tiziano

 When Tom Davis was an upstat, uptone, funny and energetic guy, when he used to hang out with us, and even go to the movies…

Tommy with Tiziano back in the day

…with all the new upcoming talents, small and big celebs alike, and I remember when Kirstie used to be skinny too, back when we were friends.

Tiziano with Kirsti back in the day

I remember when you knew that when you’d get off your o/ws in session on FPRD they wouldn’t use them against you in case you leave in the future.

I remember when going to the Freewinds and Flag was a peaceful, relaxing and pure theta experience.

I remember when the Fort Harrison was NOT a 5 star Hotel with an alleged 5 star service, but was FULL all of the time, instead of empty as it is now.

Tiziano with mom Renata and dad Claudio at Flag

Tiziano with mom Renata and dad Claudio at Flag


I remember when you could talk freely about the tech with friends, questions you had, share your wins and rely on your friends for advice without getting into “ethics trouble”.

I remember when it was all about OT phenomena and Theta wins and not just mere lousy MEST and money wins.

I remember waking up and wanting nothing else but to go on course, having the excitement to KNOW the next part on the checksheet, where pure understanding and application was the only goal of our Supervisors, not just a machine to shove you through a course in record time to show how DM’s new line up is 10 times faster.

I remember when Scientology would actually raise your IQ and make you more able at challenging knowledge.  When it made Lions out of people, not scared and wounded sheep.


I remember when you used to finish a drill and be really happy about it knowing that you REALLY got it, instead of already feeling invalidated because you would have to re-do it 5 more times by the Golden Age of Tech new checksheet.

I would dare ANYONE even only after a week of passing the test, to tell me 20 Tone Levels and their respective arbitrary number that goes with it, or how about the thirteenth law of L&N, or how about ALL of the manifestations in order of the Misunderstood Word. I remember when full conceptual understanding was senior to verbatim patterns.

I remember when you could take some new friend who had newly found admiration for you and was interested in your wins, and you would tell them, “yeah, it’s Scientology” and they were able to come into the org, and meet upstat and uptone people, get greeted as Beings, not as Div Six particles. They were able to walk in and out freely, without the Div 6 Regs overwhelming them and making them into nothing, so that they could at least sell them something, and have a fake statistic to report to their seniors.

Tiziano with wife Jamie

I remember when Sea Org Members were there for the products they’d create, they were friendly…and when the stats were not the goal, they were simply a by-product of their good work.

When an SO member was not just another obstacle you try to pass at an event or at session/course break trying to reg you in every which way they could – buy this, the new books, the new lectures, come to the seminar where we’re gonna sell you something, there’s an IAS special briefing JUST for you, we gotta get you active on Human Rights, Criminon, Narconon, you gotta take a post in a mission – and when everything was said and done (and you were still broke) – do you qualify for the Sea Org?  I need you to come see a special slide show…

The Church of Scientology we once knew is DEAD.

What was once lost can be found again, and what was once great can be greater… and we surely do come back.

At the top there is the biggest traitor of the freedom it proclaims it instills and with nearly a billion dollars in the bank, the torch of the IAS is now and forever dead.

In this church of conformity the pretence of “we disagree” remains just a lousy sales pitch to make the few rebels for freedom enslave themselves to the degree that they NEVER agreed.

Never ‘play’ with your own integrity in the hope of some future freedom…it just never works out that way.
Be TRUE to yourself, in EVERY step of the way…whichever way that is.
You can’t scream to calm somebody down. You can’t fight a war for peace. You can’t hate to preserve love and you cannot enslave the people if you’re trying to free beings.
I was never a slave. 

Tiziano Lugli 


Jamie’s address: info@jamiesorrentini.com

Tiziano and his wife Jamie Sorrentini are two charming, theta people. They are also intelligent and creative.  Since both of them received a heavy dose of Reverse Scientology in the C of M, they began to look for answers.  In retaliation for merely visiting with me they were subjected to an intensive and vicious campaign to cut all of their communication lines.  Being the resilient, insouciant beings they are, they are persevering quite beautifully. Stay tuned to Rediscoveringscientology.com for their full story which will be posted later today, it is a barn burner. I’ll post the link here when it is up.

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  2. WOW!

  3. … and I remember when the Church of Scientology was filled with people like YOU!!!!!!

    GO, TIZIANO, GO!!!

    We love you and your beautiful wife.

    Rock the world ! 🙂

  4. BRAVO! Welcome, Tiziano and Jamie, and Congratulations!

  5. Wow,

    Since I quietly left the CoS and discovered the independent field (IF), I have been overwhelmed with the number of experienced and quality OT’s that are joining the REAL Scientology organization.

    I wonder how many more will leave, and just what effect that will have on DM’s position. At some point, some group has to see what is going on and make an effort to remove him. As to how that would be done I dont know in this case. I know corporations have to vote to remove the CEO, and once they vote to do so, he is GONE. There must be a procedure for DM’s removal. And if so, I just cant imagine him staying on post much longer if this keeps up.

    For LRH and his legacy!


  6. Martin Padfield

    Wow! Tiziano – I’m speechless! I’ve admired your work for a while, but the new album is stunning. Listening to “Review my Kisses” in 5.1 surround is sure to bring a smile to the sourest face, and the Nessun Dorma interpretation – just beautiful. Check it out at http://www.tizianolugli.com/

    Anyway – welcome! Your succinct summary of the current scene needs no embellishment from me. Proud to be in your vicinity.

  7. Welcome Tiziano and Jamie! The light of your beingness shines right through the pictures.

  8. BRAVO Tiziano and Jamie! Welcome to the very sunny side of the street!

  9. Tiziano! I remember all that too!

  10. Holy Freakin’ Cats!!! Now that’s what we’re talking about!! YESSSSSSS!!!!!!

  11. Tiziano, I remember when you entertained a crowd of people on the piano in the CC Int reception area. The environment was relaxing and cheerful – everyone just enjoying themselves in a comfortable atmosphere. You were so enthusiastic. I could see back then that you were going to go a long way in life and you obviously have! Congratulations on sticking to your personal integrity and I wish you all the best in life.

  12. martyrathbun09

    Oops, I forgot to include Tiziano’s email address. Here it is: tiziano@tizianolugli.com

  13. Tiziano & Jamie,

    I remember those days too. But I will NEVER forget today for getting to know 2 of the most theta people on this Earth, YOU!

    Wow! Your declaration of Independents and your truth is done very beautifully and artistically. Thank you!:)

  14. Thought provoking

    WOW!! Beautifully expressed, bringing tears to my eyes. So much of what you said is how I have felt. For a long time I felt like I was a complete coward, that I just wasn’t tough enough for Scientology staff. But then I would think back on how I remembered Scientology…everything you mentioned in the first half.

    “Never ‘play’ with your own integrity in the hope of some future freedom…it just never works out that way.

    Be TRUE to yourself, in EVERY step of the way…whichever way that is.”

    This was my eventual solution. I thought I was alone in this idea only to discover there were many others, just like me.

    You two are so BEAUTIFUL, so THETA! I am so happy for you! Now, this is MY Scientology!

  15. yourfriendtoo

    Exellent music! CONGRATULATIONS!! and you said it all…
    I ALSO remember… I remmaber the fun, the joy of getting the knowledge. When times went by withot notticing it was already break time… I rememeber when you finished your course and did your raouting form ant it didin’t incloude all the terminals that asked for more money… my brother used to tell me save 100 dls in 10s so when you leave and do the RF you just give 10 dls to each of the terminals and sign you out fast! Sometimes it took a whole day to get the RF done at Flag…
    I remember my friends were happy beings and not CIA agents…
    I remember I trusted ethics. I rmemeber I was very sure of my training and I got to audit my pcs and studied the LRH books as part of the course. I remember so many things that make me sad to rmemeber…
    I also want to ask:
    Why DM sent many SOs to the RPF and he does not accept for this time he really fucked it up??? (Sorry for my french).
    I remember too.

  16. Tiziano,
    Your words flow like molasses, creamy and sweet upon my eyes..a taste for my senses. What an artist you are!
    CC was my org from the day I walked thru the doors to Scientology. I was there at 1809 W. 8th St. I was there at the horrible La Brea Building, I was there at the Manor. It was my org. I did all my auditor training at CC and just about every other training. I was there when Yvonne was at the helm and I was there when everyone that has succeeded her took over. .Ah..for those days in the 70s and 80s and even very early 90’s..when it was fun and you could actually get trained without constant interference. When the Artist’s Associations were thriving, when you felt free to create…Poetry by Candlelight, graduations that truly validated training graduates, not hours long talks from staff with their own agendas…
    I know you will do well and am happy to know you are free!
    Sherry Katz

  17. J & T,
    Welcome (publicly) to our family! Talk about a “power couple”!
    Love Mosey

  18. Bravo! Thanks very much for the well expressed declaration of Independence!

    Definitely an honor to have courageous and forthright creative beings like Tiziano and Jaime in our group.

  19. Tiziano, Standing ovation!

    I remember all that, too You said it all.

    AUGURI a te e Jamie. Siete due anime coraggiose bellissime. (Congrats/good wishes. You are two courageous and beautiful souls)

  20. Tiziano,

    I remember the CC the way it was too!

    So much theta back then. Now all gone. Sucked out by the undead security officers and the listless few who remain scrutinized under their watchful eye like inmates in some vampire prison .

    Chateau Elysée, now a ghostly manor on Franklin.

    I’m glad you and Jamie are now away from its dark influence 🙂

  21. I’m revisiting this post because it exudes the indomitable power of what each of us *are* … a soul.

    LOVE your creations, in photos, music and words! They communicate life, and power, and joy and the mischievous sparkling beauty that is the domain of *free theta*.

    RIGHT ON!!!

    I know I gave it a standing ovation, but I want to say more… so here I am between multitasking!!

    Tiziano, thank you for not giving up on dreams of *how life should be.”

    That’s been the primary role of the artist in society, and you’ve lived up to it.

    You spoke truth before it was “popular” — at any cost.

    You spoke out against (constant, ongoing, present time) violations of human dignity despite threat of personal danger.

    Honestly, what makes the trademarked money version of Co$ such an egregious travesty of all holy moly travesties is that it’s using the very thing it purports to represent as BAIT, then SWITCHES the game. Bait and switch.

    It is so wrong.

    Damn, let’s live it UP. Let’s have some FUN. Let’s improve conditions.

    Good bye to the constant “cringing of fear” lest we think an original thought or SEE an outpoint.

    The violation of trust that has occurred to each of us and former staff is basic *betrayal*. What is that? When you go for help or TO HELP, and the person grinning at you, holding out a hand really has a fishhook in it.

    Humanity, all of humanity, has been a slave to ignorance and clever manipulation by corrupt vested interests for too long.

    The Auditor’s Code, the Code of a Scientology, all the tech are not “nice speak.” They are not banner to wave so you can connect with the Boy Scouts of America and *look good*.

    They are achievable ways of life. And we all have proof of that.

    Every one of us who has a dream, has it as an achievable way of life.

    If we can split atoms to subparticles and create nanotechnology that performs operations in bloodstreams, we — as a species — can create a more beautiful and just world.

    So I know I posted this video before, but I want to say it again, because without Peace, Love and Understanding there is no Life. And they’re not just nice buzz words to play patty cake with.

    We mean business, we’re going to start having fun and JOY because *that* is life.

    Don’t we see that even in places (maybe especially in places) where there are not too many “things” …that JOY of being alive? Of our amazing world and the universe?

    And, Tiziano, thank you for walking the walk! Thank you for living out loud!!!!

    “Where are the strong? And who are the trusted?”

    * * * * Right here! * * * * * *

  22. And I was there the day you walked in. So happy to see you here, happy and well.

    Many stories to follow some day.


  23. Tiziano!
    You have said everything that has been on my mind for a long time. Thank you for that. I too remember the days of when CC was fun and the SO was fun and Scientology was fun too.
    I also remember you playing the piano at CC often as Amy said. Glad to see that you have crossed over in to the light!
    Wish you and your wife all the best.

  24. For Tiziano and Jamie and all of us ♥ 😀

  25. Tiziano and Jamie —

    I left CC many years before you arrived but it warmed my heart to know there was a time in the not so distant past that it WAS how you describe it.

    Surely it was that way in the early days of CC — when we would have buckets throughout the org, catching the rain from the leaking roof.

    We were poor as dirt but happy, we were united and we loved OUR Yvonne and as I said before – she loved us.

    Someday I just know the Tipping Point will happen — those hollow empty men/women who guard the doors of CC will leave and young artists such as yourself will herald in the renaissance!!

    Thank you both for the courage to step out of the lie and show others the joy of living!


  26. martyrathbun09

    Hey Mr. T, DM’s stooges Hansuili Stahli and Mike Sutter are in Texas. If they stay much longer I thought you might want to come down for a rodeo. They don’t have the cojones to confront you; but only backstab in the shadows. I know their every movement in the event you want to come down and confront the ones who can’t confront you.

  27. Well done Tiziano and Jamie. Words of beauty and strength. They resonate theta and so do you two.

  28. WH…and you sure have my interest sparked! If you want to contact me I’d love to chat.

  29. Freedom Fighter

    “You can’t scream to calm somebody down. You can’t fight a war for peace. You can’t hate to preserve love and you cannot enslave the people if you’re trying to free beings.”

    Wow!! How flippin’ true is that!! Your post blew me away! I’d all but forgotten many of these things, but being reminded of them here keyed me out for the first time in a long time.

    Thanks for your post and yes, it’s high time we created Lions again. Enough of this sheeple crap, I say!

  30. Tiziano,
    Magnificent, theta and poetically stated!
    VWD and welcome to you and your wife!!!!

  31. Speechless. Very rare condition for me.

  32. I remember when the Church of Scientology was filled with people like YOU too.

    Bravo TIZIANO!

  33. I am with Sam.

  34. Hey Tiziano!!

    Thanks! That hit the spot!


  35. Actually I do have something to say (speechless condition rarely lasts very long).

    I met Tommy in the mid ’80’s and took an instant dislike to him – thought he was ‘slimy’.

    Your words and the photo of a Tommy I had never met (the one prior to the person he had become) gave me pause for consideration.

    Through our efforts to help our friends, Chrissie and I have recently weathered heavy spates of backstabbing and mean and vicious words and acts in response. It can be disheartening, demoralizing and painful. It also leads to temptation to allow my affinity for these erstwhile friends to drop.

    Your post returned to me a clear vision of the beings that lie under the actions they take in blindness and confusion.
    And I learnt better how to love in spite of all invitations to hate.

    Tiziano, I humbly thank you for the gift you gave to me personally today.

    It doesn’t mean that I won’t fight hard and ferociously against suppression and injustice. It does however mean that I will do it fully with the strength of love, in full recognition of who many of these beings were before they were so tormented and tortured.

  36. You two are FANTASTIC. 🙂

  37. Tiziano,
    I tried the album preview listed above because I LOVE Nessun Dorma! Your version was a bit of a switch for me but the taste left me wanting lots more–beautiful! Love to you, M6

  38. Pseudo dad – It’s 2am – I’m going to bed now 😉

  39. martyrathbun09

    Ok – the full Tiziano story is up at: http://rediscoverscientology.com/tiziano-lugli.html

  40. martyrathbun09

    Ok my vicarious child. 🙂

  41. Thought provoking

    I just read your full story and I am glad that you had the integrity to post it. It is an incredible accounting of your role in Scientology and your current experiences with the church. Thank you for all of your contributions…you are my hero!

  42. Bellissima! Magnifico! Absolutely spot on. You have expressed the thoughts and feelings of so many, so eloquently. Thank you.

  43. Wow! What a post. Thank you Tiziano. You brought back memories of what it was all about and bring hope that maybe, one day, this nightmare will end.

    Paul Haggis originally got me going. I realize that it is artists like you that are making a big difference for us all!

  44. Kathy Braceland

    WOW! Beautifully stated Tiziano!

  45. Sam,
    Well done! Remember, ‘despite provocation or invitations to do otherwise’ as it sure won’t be easy at times. Sometimes, heck, slice their li’l cajones off, with as much love as you can maintain.

    You my dear, have crossed the line and entered a whole new level of play.

  46. I’ve just read Tiziano’s and Jamie’s story here at Marty’s blog and the longer version at http://www.rediscoverscientology.com.

    I’d be crying if I weren’t laughing so hard.

    So let me get this straight. Hundreds of spiritually evolved paragons robotically disconnected from their beloved long-time friends because some erstwhile Scientology prom queen said they had to.

    In the Deep South where I grew up we have a little saying for people like this: “Bless their hearts!”

    Look it up.

  47. Underground For Now

    I read the full story…VWD. Welcome you two beautiful thetans. You have set the perfect example for your family and your friends.

    Your brave example will free many others. Because of peoplel like you the , “INDEPENDENTS” will rise from the ashes to help mankind the way LRH intended.

  48. Your courageous and vibrant declaration of independence is important to a lot of people,
    as you can tell by reading the responses on this blog, Tiziano. But I think it’s going to be especially so for artists! The significance of your decision is made more profound to me because you’re an artist of magnitude; you will cause tremendous effects.

    Maybe you, too, have watched for years as organized scientology has seduced artists with promises (some kept, some not) of rehabilitated abilities and glorious new games to play. Anyone paying attention must finally conclude that the artist’s true value to the church at this point is measured solely by his usefulness to the organization. And he is expected to be grateful for the chance to be so used. I remember one published write-up by someone at the London CC on how to put together a successful “arts” event; he cautioned that one must NOT pay the performers as this would put them (the performers) out exchange.


    When I was first learning about scientology, many years ago, I was very much attracted by the admiration many reg’s and others professed for the artist, and by LRH’s acknowlegment of the importance of the artist to a culture. I heard lip-service given to these things over and over, but what I saw was quite different.

    That the church of scientology exploits artists is no surprise; in its current condition it exploits all beings and all situations. A good example of the latter is the recent solicitation of donos for BOOKS to go to Haiti, books to be purchased at full price by donors, but which will cost Bridge Publications only cents on the dollar, the PROFIT from this human tragedy being pocketed by a CHURCH.

    I do believe in my heart that a culture is only as great as its dreams, and that its dreams are dreamed by artists. I really DO believe it!
    And who doesn’t dream of freedom? But inside the church, that dream has become just another word .” Freedom” has become little more than a button to be pushed to get people to buy goods and services, and that word is used and used to the point of near meaninglessness.

    But a dream is not a stimulus/response mechanism.” It is pure theta; a beautiful, technicolor mock-up with full preceptics, the contemplation of what could be. It’s the star by which one navigates one’s life.

    The dream of real freedom is no longer attainable within the church, and this means that the artist must now really put on his hat. And here you are, doing that so courageously, so defiantly, and looking so good while doing it!
    I am inspired!

  49. Marty,
    I just read the full story. Now I’m speechless. Better that way for now. Let me say one thing, the quote from Che you gave the other day “If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.” is applicable and I will stop trembling shortly.

  50. martyrathbun09

    Jim, the astounding thing is that the more we make this type of injustice known, the harder it seems to be practiced. I think there was a lot of sooth in RJ’s observation that the joint is dramatizing its missed Grade IV.

  51. War and Peace

    Tiziano & Jamie !!
    Thank you for setting a good example and making it easier for all of those who have yet to come out.
    It is only Flag family connections and the Circus (witness what you went through) that occurs that causes a little delay.
    I too was sec checked unmercifully HCO style
    “Not Auditing You” on my Clear status attested 20 years previously !!!!
    Out of the blue, for no reason.
    Marty and others finally gave the WHY.
    It stemmed out of DM’s Csing of Lisa Mcpherson….declaring her CLEAR before the catastrophe. Then the DM pendulum swinging after her death tampering with all Clears and making the state of Clear a dog’s breakfast for those on lines.
    Your story was riveting ! Bravo !
    May I suggest you write a book ~~In the vein of “Blown for Good”.
    You are natural born Writer !

  52. Tiziano and Jamie, I just completed reading the unabridged version of your Scientology story. Wow! My head was shaking to and fro and I was mumbling indistinguishable (indistinguishable, but obviously profane) utterances the whole time I was reading. You’re two very tough and courageous thetans! VWD and welcome to this wonderful group of beings. Every day my admiration and respect for each and everyone in this group expands immensely and it’s so theta to know that you two are now here too.

    As a side note Tiziano, I’m hopeful that you and Jamie are going to be an effective shoe horn, so to speak, to help me to pry my daughter’s attentions this way. Up until now she wants no part of it, however, aesthetics is one hell of a powerful tool and you two are definitely riding that aesthetic wave. Tiziano in black just might turn her head. 🙂

    By the way, I really enjoyed listening to your music Tiziano!

    Thank you Martin for that link to Tiziano’s CD preview. And thank you veritas for adding the videos, I really enjoyed them. I’m adding the Peace, Love and Undrstanding one to the Walking Around the Elephant network. It’s a keeper. 🙂

  53. Marty,
    I’ve spent a long day studying the sequence of policy and tech on SPs and disconnection. It is becoming increasingly apparent, the ser fac may very well lay in this area. The policies and bulletins from the time period of the early 80s on this subject, what was said in each different version of the SP Acts policy, and all of the relevant issues are revealing something that fits the bill of the insanity of a ser fac. From the 3D engram tech, it is the introduction of an arbitrary that aberrates the group. Could be that arbitrary lies in the area I’m studying and researching. Could be that is the fixed solution. It’s looking very, very suspiciously like it to me.

    I’ll get you a full write up and post it on one of the sites.

  54. In the current regime of the trademarked franchise calling itself the “Church of Scientology” — face it — any true artist is to be feared as enemy 1.

    That’s why artists are treated like a nobody (degraded being public) unless they are pulling in the big bucks (no matter how mediocre the product).

    Who is championed by CC? People with money. Since when was that the definition of an artist?
    Make that obedient people with money who love flattery.

    The pop culture brand of celebrity pretty much resembles clones. Doesn’t it? Look at the pictures. They have graduated from “Celebrity School” where they learn the great skills: to pose all haughty and high-browed, look superior (down their nose) at all others, place a hand on their hip, act important and, above all, act rich. Voila. Celebrity. Fabricated fame that leverages product endorsement.

    We know that real art wakes us up. Shines and illuminates (doesn’t suck up attention).

    We know that the handful of “celebrities” promoted by CC hasn’t grown beyond a circle of mainstream TV and a couple of movie stars, all dangled as bait to hopefuls who think if they sign up for courses they too can achieve that kind of “success.”

    Actors and artists, dancers, novelists, poets of magnitude are feared — Those who are talented but have not achieved mass-market monetary wealth are viewed as “down stat” and considered worthless of “respect” in the money-sucking conveyor belt of Idle Orgs.

    Witnessing this sycophantic construed echelon of false importances is similar to hearing DM praise Tom Cruse as “the most dedicated Scientologist” in the face of earnest, life-giving Sea Org and staff.

    It is a scam. I’m all for commercial viability of any art project, but that’s not the value.

    As it is, I’ve observed that the “art” events at CC or by the trademarked Orgs have strings, hidden agendas, namely big money suck dissem.

    John F. Kennedy had this to say about that:

    “We must never forget that art is not a form of propaganda; it is a form of truth.” JFK

  55. Wow! what an amazing adventure of suppression you have had and what a fighter for integrity and freedom you are.

    I bet you have inspired more people to state their stories as well. I don’t think I have met one person who has been involved with current management that does not have at least one horror story of their own to tell and to hear that it happens to upstat celebrities like yourself is just amazing

  56. Incredible story

    It’s another breakout of free big beings.

    Much theta to you and a theta flow for a speedy reconciliation of your family.

  57. lunamoth, Well Stated! Per what you write here, you and I are definitely walking in the same ballpark.

    Years ago there used to be these two SO members that would come to Portland every so often as part of a Flag tour. While I can see their faces I cannot recall their names. But they were really cool dudes and they would put on these incredible little workshops that would routinely blow my mind (and that’s a good thing – yeah?).

    If I remember correctly it was sometime in late 84′ when they rolled into town and gave an impactful little workshop on the value and power of art and aesthetics in all aspects of life and livingness. They also gave lots of real life examples of using art to bypass learning barriers and rapidly achieve duplication and create reach from a receipt point.

    After this workshop I was different person. My life had been changed. I had a whole new perspective on things. And what I got in that one hour workshop that evening has never diminished. However, there was something not right. And what was not right was that I wasn’t seeing any evidence of the church utilizing this incredible tool of art and aesthetics anywhere near the degree that it could be being used. Until, that is, the battle of Portland. Then, finally, up front and close, I got to see first hand, art and aesthetics being used to disintegrate misemotion. And it worked just like LRH said it would work.

    But, the battle of Portland came and went and after it was gone it was like art and aesthetics got put back into their holsters and packed away somewhere out of sight and mind.

    And, speaking of art, I always wondered about this…

    “The rehabilitation of the art-ability of a culture is a tremendously valid undertaking, and will repay a thousand times any effort made in that direction.” -LRH from SOS.

    Here we are working our asses off to clear the planet and LRH is telling us that any effort in the direction of rehabilitating the art-ability of the culture will be repaid a THOUSAND TIMES! and we aren’t all over it. Instead, we’re out rounding up chiropractors by the gross (no offense chiropractors. I like chiropractors. Got probably a couple of hundred of you guys through your STCC and more). But what about rehabing the art-ability?!


    Tiziano wrote, “In 1978 I was looking for a new body to dwell, and knowing that all Thetans are basically Italians, I thought that a Fashion model and a Singer/Musician in the Sea Org in Milano would make for a perfect family.”

    CAUSE exemplified! Aesthetics, Art and a Theta on purpose Goal.

  58. Wow! I just read the whole story. I’m crying & I’m laughing.

    “The Church of Scientology we once knew is DEAD”. What a tragedy!

    I also remember 20yrs ago when I got in I couldn’t wait to be in the Mission, they had to kick me out at night, I loved being there so much. Last time I was on course in an upper Org I had to find ways to sneak out the back door so I can at least have 30 minutes for lunch & have time for a few phone calls since I was on course from 8:30am-10:30pm 7 days/week (that was my own choice). I was forced to lie & pretend to be on the phone when I walked in the hallways so I was left alone from being constantly regged or getting “8Ced” to attend non stop briefings on how I had to give more & more $. I was disgusted with myself, I was disgusted with my group. I felt degraded.

    How did I go from not wanting to ever leave the place to “can’t wait to get the Hell out of here”?

    In my Local Org I started resorting going out the back door & sneaking away from my friends that were trying to handle me to attend 2-3 fundraising event/week. I started filtering my calls even from my closest friends. I was disgusted with myself. I felt degraded.

    “The Church of Scientology we once knew is DEAD”

    Thanks to all of you for your courage & integrity to share your stories. Since the Truth Rundown I’m gradually letting go of my chains & becoming free again. Today was another big step. Sending you, Tiziano & Jamie, a big hug!

  59. It helps know you’re not alone in thinking something or feeling something, doesn’t it? I don’t know you, but my hunch is that you weren’t a coward and you weren’t lacking in toughness, Thought provoking. You also weren’t alone.

    Tiziano and Jamie, sorry to hear that you went through tough times at the hands of your church. But you’re out from under the suppression now. Enjoy yourselves and thanks for speaking up.

  60. Mr. Rathbun,

    Some people are trying to do more character assassination on you:


  61. Just a quick note for anyone who thinks that Tiziano’s description of Birdie freaking out in Audio because DM & Co. were going into the CMO Int trailers is a bit over the top, I can verify that he has not overstated the reactions one iota. This kind of thing occurred many times each day. That is life around someone whose op basis is to keep everyone off balance to one degree or another. Marc Headley’s book “Blown for Good” really paints the picture. (And, yes, the top of International Scientology Management operated out of trailers jammed together and modified into office spaces from 1997 onwards. Int freaking Management!)

  62. Oggi, e vero che siamo tutti Italiani …

    You two make very bad slaves, which is perhaps what everyone here has most in common, and the highest compliment to be paid.

    The moral of your (tragic) story, Tiziano and Jamie, is that you have been thrown out of an organization which was NOT delivering what you had signed up to have delivered!

    It’s like Chrysler getting HER-y and refusing to sell you a car which you know (and they know) doesn’t work.

    I, too, remember CC Int when it was a theta place.

    Looking back, I knew it’d been corrupted when I saw Karen Hollander clamoring to be photographed by LMP’s side during her insane “marriage” to a man I knew – from unimpeachable sources – to be a molestor of little boys. But no one cared because he may have been a sexual crim but he was very famous and sitting on a mountain of money …

    One more thing about disconnections, especially the sit with your brother: keep the theta comm line there. It can’t be broken unless you agree.

    In bocca al lupo!

  63. By the way, I went to your website earlier to find out a bit more about you. I spent about an hour listening & viewing some of your videos. You state in your story that one of your goal is “to change the sound and message of today’s downtone and abberrated music”. Your music & videos are very uptoned & inspiring. Your communicate at a very high esthetic, passionate & sincere level. I’m actually going to go back & listen/watch what I missed this afternoon. I highly recommend that everyone takes the time to check it out. Congratulations!

  64. Tiziano Lugli

    Amy, thank you for your sincere and kind words. Your videos really created an impact on me! I remember you coming to CC Int a few times, we had a good comm. line with Karen, and I recall her telling us about you. Soooooo glad to be amongst you all now!

  65. Tiziano Lugli

    It’s an honor to be on board !!!

  66. Tiziano Lugli

    Thank you so much…it’s an amazing, overwhelming and theta experience to be disconnecting with such suppression, and discovering amazing people. Lets show this world who the real Scientologists are

  67. Tiziano Lugli

    Thank you 😉
    Let’s do this !!!

  68. Tiziano Lugli

    I remember your remembrances too!!!

  69. Tiziano Lugli

    Wow…for a moment you brought me straight back to the beauty it once had. Thank you!

  70. Tiziano, I have now read your full story. Your experiences with OSA and their agents can be analyzed across the columns of the Chart of Human Evaluation from the book Science of Survival, to spot the tone level of the CofS. My SOS book is loaned out so I’ll have to recall some of the columns. Oh, yes, there’s a good one about, “Method used to control others.” I recall various entries about threats, vicious lies, rumormongering. Hmm!

    It would be worthwhile to peg the church’s actions across the chart to view the chronic tone of the group, then predict what else to expect of them across that level and as they go further down scale; even to assess the speed at which they are going down as their manifestations get worse and worse.

  71. Tiziano Lugli

    Thank you Mosey. And thanks for having made our Texas de-PTSness experience so theta with your presence.

  72. Tiziano Lugli

    Ahah, why don’t we all go meet with them. Maybe we’d change their minds 😉

  73. Hi again Tiziano!

    I just read the FULL story!

    WOW, you da MAN!!

    You did the Italians proud, you got big brass ones!

    Hope to meet you some day.

  74. Tiziano Lugli

    WOW GUYS…I’m amazed and overwhelmed with all kinds of new regained emotions.

    At first there was the loss of the people I thought were dear and real friends of ours. Then I realized that the real value of true dignity, cannot be tainted by the fear of losing something, in the end, NOT worthwhile having.

    Now I’m like “seriously ? Do you think I could be missing my reactive mind? And my engrams? And my compulsions?” Get the hell outta here !!!

    As soon as we stepped out of this little bubble that all of our friends were in, and started seeing the whole world from a new viewpoint, with the tech free for everybody, people shoulder to shoulder helping one and another, the mass that blew was beyond explicable.

    We’re all here now…we’ve been taking it for way to long, now is the time to take a stand.

  75. Tiziano Lugli

    In this material world
    we are trapped into a freedom of being slaves.

    Blinded by shadows of reason
    With hunger for sensations, and lust for selfishness.
    Where what you have is evaluated and exchanged for who you are.

    The only mission is to bring you down and keep you down.
    This universe wants to proof on a day-2-day basis that “you can’t do it”
    And the more you agree with what “you see”, the more you are trapped.

    Just be.
    Be yourself, pure and native.
    Create your own universe.
    Go against the rules.
    Be innovative, comunicate beauty, art,
    and help us all,
    to bring aesthetic to the world.

    For the path of freedom
    has been shown long ago,
    and I will not refrain to feel ashamed,
    blamed and confused…

    Why this?
    Why me?
    How did I?
    And how could I’ve?

    Questions like this scorn to pieces
    my dusty and shattered faith to bring it all back…
    to where it should be…
    to where it used to be.

    But then I look at myself,
    I see someone else,
    and then, after awhile…

    I see nobody else.

    If we will make it,
    it will only be because some disagreed.

    And some…
    had the courage, the strength and the wisdom
    to fight back.
    To light the darkest skies, with the brightest light, and to never let anyone, for near or far they may be, to feel the breeze from a shadow of our light.

    For we are the only one, that will unlock the door to truth and to the final channel… out of this oblivion, in the realm of freedom.

    …As I’m writing this, I’m getting to feel the loss of words,
    for they worthlessly will never be able to express the magnitude of
    who we are,
    who we’ve been,
    what we’ve done,
    and what we’ll create.

    This is dedicated to all the fighters,
    the fighters for freedom.

    Thank you for being here.
    It would be very cold with out you.


  76. Tiziano Lugli

    You’re all MY heros !!!

  77. Tiziano,
    I probably spend an average of an hour/day on Marty’s blog; have read every declaration and story, but your story is the first to bring tears to my eyes.
    You are courageous and you have integrity. Bless you and thank you for taking a stand.
    Now let’s put Scientology back on the track LRH intended.

  78. Fantastico Tiziano!!! I’m VVVGIs to see you have come up with your protest against the new Fascistic Regime. Count on me whenever you please for technical assistence or whatever.

  79. Theo Sismanides

    Go Tiziano and Jamie!!

    Thank you so much for your beautiful post: “I remember when… ”

    Yes, thanks for reminding us all of that theta, for which we gave our lives….

    Let’s bring this up to the Aesthetic band now, in… an Italian style!!!

    I will be reading your full story. Thanks again!

  80. High toned Scientology.

    There’s nothing like it!


  81. I remember a time in the CofS when a “Hip Hip, Hurray!” actually stood for something worth cheering about. Now all we have are mind numbing PR events with false stats, crush regging for out-exchange groups like the “Idle Morgues” campaign, the empty “Supah Powerz” building, and of course the IAS (which stands for I’m A Sucker for plundering my bank account). However, after reading Tiziano’s moving story, all I can say is “Hip Hip!” (you supply the Hurray).

  82. Already read the link.

    Moving story Tiziano.

    Sadly; a true one.

    Happy for you. It´s nice to see you are free after all this.

    Roberto Sánchez Núñez

  83. Chapter 1: Prisoner’s Base:

    (First paragraphs paraphrased – birth of Thomas Merton 31 Jan 1915 France – the horrors of war, his mother and father)

    “They [Mother and Father] were in the world and not of it – not because they were saints, but in a different way: because they were artists. The integrity of an artist lifts a man above the level of the world without delivering him from it.”

    The Seven Storey Mountain

    Thomas Merton (Trappist Catholic Monk)


  84. martyrathbun09

    Tiziano, they would scatter too quickly to be orderly.

  85. martyrathbun09

    Freetothink. Ditto.

  86. martyrathbun09

    Jim Logan, Great Jim. Look forward to your write up.

  87. Dear Tiziano,

    Your write-up is an excellent analysis of many of the things that went wrong with scn. Very inspiring too.

    Thank you very much and welcome outside of the prison camp.


  88. Joe,
    I recall in the Music area, I’d be practicing my drums in the Rehearsal Room and lots of times more or less oblivious to traffic through the room while I played. More than once I looked up from my drums and there was Ron Miscavige Sr., running around in a frenzy. I’d kind of chuckle and go back to playing. More than once, minutes later I’d look up again, and there was DM with his entourage, watching me play.

    I’d stop and look at them, nod hello, waiting for whatever it was he had to say (no one dared speak until he spoke among this little group of half a dozen people) and if he didn’t say anything, I just went back to playing drums.

    Then he and this train would move on to some other area. You could tell where he was by the people at that spot on the Base, running around in frenzies. It usually took a while for the areas to cool down too, as they would be given a stream of either invective or orders, and off they’d go, running around to compy with COB orders. It always struck me; what kind of org board and command channels are these as the whole little performance was a constant by-pass. That was the early 90s. It seems it didn’t take long before that Danger condition went below Non-Existence and lo, there is no org board and nobody left to ‘command’ except, apparently, public like the stories we’re reading about.

  89. Mr. T,
    Thank you for the aesthetic that communicates via these words. Feel the heat. It’s real.

  90. martyrathbun09

    Paolo, Geez it takes a lot to hear from you paisano! But it is great when it happens.

  91. That’s an awesome project you are working on Jim. I agree you — there is a clinker in that area. BTW thanks for posting on Geir’s forum lately. It’s a great learning experience. I’ve been trying to be helpful by raising various issues and posting data that may be of help.

  92. Tiziano,
    Thank you for your full story. A great deal of charge has blown from my universe. While I am outraged at your treatment by Miscavage and his band of miscreants, this pattern of out-tech explains what happened to me and every other pro-LRH being who refused to bow at the alter of Miscavige. I was given everthing but the bridge for 20 years. I would not give up because I knew LRH was right. My folders have carried the designation of Scn Drug Rundown for most of the past 20 years. The worst part of the betrayal is that I always wondered what was wrong with me and as a result pulled in my anchor points. Your heroic story helped me to see that there is nothing wrong with me or any of the incredible beings who are part of the Independant Scientologist movement.
    You and your beautiful wife have my respect and admiration. I have no doubt that with the SP off your lines you will hit the stratosphere in your career and in your life!

  93. Yes that is what Independant Scientologists are doing Disconnecting from DM, The real SP.

  94. Janis Joplin:

    Don’t compromise yourself. You are all you’ve got.

  95. Let me raise my little lunamoth voice here to say
    I have OBSERVED what you are talking about, Jim; the connection between the S.P. valance and serv fac’s!

    Every scientologist now knows at least one person, either friend or family, who has been harmed by squirreled upper OT levels.

    One we have personally personally know as a sweet and really good being now flips into a true SP valance, and dramatizes some of the most outrageous serv fac’s. This is an OT VII.

    Needless to say, this person has alienated family and friends, and has become a virtual pariah to many in the OT community. He’s considered
    “out-ethics.” I consider him broken by his church.

    The connection you’ve made is real. I’ve observed it. It would be game-changing to have the explanation of why this is. We want this person to be helped, and right now, in the church, there is simply no hope in hell of that ever happening.

  96. Incredibly well-written and inspiring.

    Glad to have you out and independent Tiziano and Jamie!

  97. It struck me this morning, as I was reflecting on Tiziano’s full write up, that DM might have taken “Battlefield Earth” as the “hat turn-over” from LRH.

    Problem is, he is using the “Terl” valence.
    (“Leverage….Man Animals…)
    I think that says a lot about his inner character……or lack thereof.

  98. I enjoy your new freedom Tiziano, VWD!

  99. Hey….and don’t forget those fabulous “Opera by Dup” players, as conceived and directed by Gelda! Sherrymk, thanks for the brief remembering of how light and fun those days were.

    To Tiziano…never heard of you until now, but you’ve been through it all, only to come out on top again.

    I recently read this which I find so apropos when we see postings such as Tiziano’s and sherrymk’s. The statement is applicable both specifically and universally:

    “[In] the Vedic tradition of India…Truth–the Veda, or Knowledge–is universal, eternal, and always present and available. It manifests in a particular time and place because of the willingness of a few to minister to the spiritual needs of the many. For a while this specific form of Truth spreads and flourishes, but often it becomes too far removed from the original inspiration and is diluted or lost.

    “A true teaching, however, will inevitably revive and once again transform people’s lives, as_______ (fill in the blank with any political or spiritual movement – such as the Indie one here) is demonstrating for thousands who had become dissatisfied with traditional structures.

    “Wherever this renewal process begins, it is because even one or two individuals are willing to allow changes in their perception of each other and the world. They are not perfect, but they consistently seek to suspend judgment, see another’s interests as not necessarily separate from their own, and [hopefully in the end] forgive.

    “Those who make this effort witness to the Truth, and as they accomplish their goal–and all do eventually–they are able to bring others to their own healing within, sometimes knowingly, often inadvertently. “

  100. Tiziano,

    I am lost for words to acknowledge your theta.
    With my mind open I can only sit and enjoy.

    Let me offer you this in an attempt to flow back some of the joy you give:


    What if?


    What if?

    And this from LRH, which Jim Logan and others here have read a hundred times. It inspired us whenever we entered LRH’s Music Studio to give it our all, use every bit of our creative abilities to speed up the clearing of a planet. Now we are back and are doing it again .

    You see, this it the quote that LRH had us post right in the entrance hall of his music studio, back in 1984 when he was still on the line with detailed instructions on how his studio was to be built.




    LRH, The Phipadelphia Doctorate Course lectures.

    Have a greeat day Ticiano!

    One more friend

  101. Marty,

    Would it be possible to put my post at the end of this chain? I am a bit late into all this and would like for all those who are here and have worked in LRH’ Studio to read it. I am hoping it will bring back pleasure moments for them and revitalize some purposes, as per the PL on OT Orgs.

    Thanks for letting me use your comm line.

    Your Friend
    Create Peace

  102. martyrathbun09

    Createpeace, anything is possible. email it to me at howdoesitfeel@hushmail.com

  103. Here’s another trip down memory lane CC on 9th –
    everyone is gathered in the parking lot — a thunderbird convertible pulls up and it’s RED TAG MAMA —

    Gelda (Mithoff) AND a very young John Travolta!!

    Yup — the Opera by Dup Players!! So much fun.

    Mickey – thanks for the memories and for those wonderful Vedic quotes.


  104. Minerva and her “lizard people” (Sounds like a rock group) are hard at work repackaging old OSA material in an attempt to whip up public opinion against Marty and others who have broken free of the trap of DM’s insane cult.

    If you visit the site you will get a full appreciation of insanity at work. After one visit, I would rather have a root canal without anesthesia than visit a second time.

    This site offers a unique view of the venom and fear that acolytes of Miscavige must carry as a burden every day.

    Marty’s attention on helping others seems to drive them crazy which tells you more about their motives and tone level than they realize.

    The only reason to visit is to remind yourself how bad it really is in the CofS. These are the true believers.

    My only question is how long before they will pass out the Kool-Aid.

  105. “Paisano” is full of work to do lately… Miss you a lot guys but my hearth is with you.


  106. Wow what an awesome and beautiful couple you are. So much talent and just plain awesome! You will be filled with all that is good in this world because you two continue to earn it. Bravo

  107. martyrathbun09


  108. martyrathbun09

    Old Auditor. The anonymity allows them free license to make up their stories. It is required in the case of me, Mike, Tom, et al. When DM see it fit to put a name under one of his attempts to discredit me, I’ll address it. Until then I’m not wasting time with fiction, written by anonymous punks. Incidentally, it is The Great Middle Path Redux all over again. DM goes anonymous, DM talks like the most vulgar WWP board anonymous chatter, DM is working to destroy Scientology. While people are certainly free to read what they want, I think they’d get a lot more out of Tiziano’s full story at rediscoverscientology.com (at least go there first if you haven’t already folks). Tiziano stands by his words.

  109. Hi Tiziano,
    I experienced the same thing. At first there was a loss of friends I thought would NEVER disconnect but who did so without a word to me. Of course they were cowardly about it, they couldn’t overtly communicate to me that I was bad because they know I am not.
    The “Independents” are the friends I was hoping to find in the current Scientology Church. Loyal friends who will help you no matter what, not just talk to you because they want something from you or because by being friends with you they might be seen as an “upstat”!
    The Churches big line right now is if I just do my A to E steps all will be okay. Hmm.. I haven’t seen a Declare. Why would I fight to be a part of a group that rumor mongers, uses character assassination and feels it is their godly right to tell others with whom to be friends or not friends!?
    Thanks for your full story and for taking a stand!!! =)

    Chrissie P.

    BTW: If anyone was wondering about Shane and I. We are together and doing alright. Still heavy attacks on me and our relationship but we are holding strong and happy together. =)

  110. “I think that says a lot about his inner character……or lack thereof.”

    Tom pick what seems appropiate.


    A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

    1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

    2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

    3. believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

    4. requires excessive admiration

    5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

    6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes
    advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

    7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

    8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her

    9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes


  111. crashing upwards

    Dear “your friend”. If you find sites practicing character assasination of Marty, perhaps the most discreet way to handle it is to e-mail Marty at his e-mail address, as opposed to bringing the link to the blog, where the intention of the assassins to harm him and/or others might inadverdently receive broader dissemination. Better yet, send us the link to your rebuttals of the assissination attempts. Being the friend that you are.

  112. I love to see stars shine! ✩ ✩ ✩ ✩ ✩ ✩
    ✩ ✩ ✩ ✩
    ✩ ✩
    ✩ ✩
    Beauty abounds, all around us. We don’t have to look far to find and see beauty.
    ✩ ✩

    Beings and Life are occasions to celebrate … There is no monopoly of soul, truth, shine, sparkle, love, creativity, greatness.
    ✩ ✩

    And if *anything* is being used to make others less than or feel bad, it’s not Life. Period. ✩

    ✩ ✩

    ✩ ✩

    ✩ stars ✩ inspire

    ✩ ✩ ✩

  113. Old Auditor,
    If somebody wants some mass (literally) on the dramatization of the 3D service facsimile, the site you mention is certainly that.

    I’ve spent the day today, in addition to most of yesterday and until 5:30 a.m over night, pulling down strings by studying the policies of 7 March 65, Issues I, II and III. These are the introduction and delineation of the Justice Codes. (Issue I was misdated originally as 1 March 65, and was also misdated later as 23 Dec 65. In the original OEC, 23 Dec 65 Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists, The Fair Game Law, is actually supposed to be 7 March 65 Iss I as a date. This was changed, after some 30 plus years, by the CofS in 2001 back to the correct date of 7 March 65.)

    These policies introduce Fair Game, and Disconnection. That is what one observes being played out on the website mentioned. That is what is a common denominator to many of the stories of now independent Scientologists. Both were supposed to have been cancelled in 1968.

    Disconnection was re-introduced in Sept 1983 in response to the cirumstances extant in that time period. I’m chasing down Fair Game.

    BOTH are in evidence on the site mentioned.

  114. Alan Cohen:

    It takes a lot of courage to release the familiar and seemingly secure, to embrace the new. But there is no real security in what is no longer meaningful. There is more security in the adventurous and exciting, for in movement there is life, and in change there is power.

  115. What you say is so true, Veritas.
    (Probably why ya chose that screen name huh?)

    Back in the day there we had real celebrities and artists who instead of talking the talk and making others wrong for not being Scientologists, like their current Cruise missile.

    Actually walked the walk and applied Scientology to their lives and the lives of others.

    We had musicians, writers, artists and intellectuals who literally changed the world.

    Now they have some guy who jumps on couches and has turned Scientology into a bad joke with his other idiotic antics!

    Compare Ingo Swann’s creating a paradigm shift away from materialist science to Tom Cruise’s endless ‘Manchurian Candidate’ like bloviations about Miscavige being the kindest most wonderfulest leader he’s ever known in the echo chamber of the incredibly shrinking church.

  116. martyrathbun09

    Chrissie, Are you kidding? In case anyone is wondering? Try 4,000 plus people. Thanks for letting them know. I might have to paste this into a short post I’m doing today so that everybody hears the news – they may not see it in the comments.

  117. martyrathbun09

    Hey, I just added Jamie’s email address to the Tiziano story post. Here it is info@jamiesorrentini.com
    Giver her a shout out.

  118. I just think it’s a boring site with unfunny Photoshops. Well the Kiddo’s over there might find it is a hoot. I do not get the Impression it harms anyone. It just makes you see in what a ridiculous state they are.

    Marty Said:

    “I think today’s lesson is, don’t be so anxious about spreading the word. DM’s minions are doing it for us. Let’s just carry on having fun.”

  119. Chrissie,
    YES, we’re all glad to hear about you and Shane!
    Well done!

  120. Hurray!

  121. creartpeace,
    Yes indeed, I remember that quote, read it every day. Thanks!

  122. Marty,
    My humble self… haha
    Have at the posting! I had no idea that many people wanted to know!
    We are well and fighting strong and will continue to do so… Shane impresses me everyday, he is one strong guy! =)

  123. martyrathbun09

    Chrissie, Ok, its up. I’m sure he is, you wouldn’t have it any other way.

  124. Tiziano,
    I am so sorry the Church has arrived to this point of desperation. I had also a dosis of the same hell. My biggest sin is to have lived thrats in an org in Mexico, out tech and squirrel actions in OTs in an HCO intervew and crazy money IAS reggings. My and sister was used to haijack my e mail and FB and to harrase me and do the same they did to you with my mother.
    But I tell you something my friend, I see light, I laugh, I have hopes, and a Tyran lives as long as we alow him to be in power.
    I am an OT and I had some of my friends disconected from me. I understand them as they want to do their OT levels.
    I have been told they don’t want to declare me, but I have to stop vewing Martys blog.
    But I’v seen the truth and that, I can not hide!
    book 0-8 the book of basics, in pag 179 LRH States: AUTHORITARISM SCHALE
    An action which is unreasonable produces nothing creative and remains unexplained and is backened by threatened force, such as deprivation of some or much MEST, which is the ultimate in authoritarian actions. As this factors drope away, the action is less authoritarian. Thus authoritarism is a graded schale, not an absolute.

    Arbitrary , without good/ Entheta dealing with
    reason backed by force / enMEST.”

    At the end of the scale, which is the highest level LRH states:

    “Good reason (Supressor to/ Theta order
    group exisiting.) Explained./”
    ML, and keep strong and in integrity with your self.

  125. Thanks for posting that site. Admission I’m not a scientologist but have been following this since the Hagis letter and have been captivated by the honesty and true support you are all giving each other in this difficult time.

    Reading the negative comments over there against not just Marty, but everyone who is taking the chance on making things right, from an outsider view, you all win hands down. I will continue to cheer you from the sidelines and wish you all the best.

  126. Crashing see my post below I think exposing those sites and the venom only strengthens what Marty and all of you are doing. Again from an admittedly outsider view, the night and day comparision between the support and strength in almost every post here compared with the hate there – very much helps illuminate the differences of in versus out.



  127. Tiziano great writeup, very inspirational.

  128. Thanks for joining Jamie, glad to have you with us.

  129. Tiziano, thank you for your write up and speaking out. Bravery courage honor and respect are all qualities I read from what you said. I experienced the “Mecca of Technical Perversion” myself to the extreme, only a couple of years earlier. You have my postulate that ALL members of your family will stand together one day and decry the abuses in unison. It CAN HAPPEN. It did for me. We will prevail because, after all, all thetans are Italian!

  130. I loved this, veritas! Right ON!

    I guess we are a real pair of angry artists, huh?

    Boy, you be foolin’ around with some real dynamite, dm – pissin’ off artists like this! hahahahahahahaha!!!

    And what a great quote from JFK -thanks for sharing that, too.


  131. Theo Sismanides

    “The fighters for freedom”, yes, we have been because we disagreed, because we had the integrity to do so… thanks Tiziano. So nicely written!

  132. 😉

  133. Tiziano Lugli

    Well said Sam!
    As the old man says, “we’re all in the same trap”. But some I guess did dig them selfs IN a little more then the rest of us.

    “That which is not admired will persist”, so I ended my conversation with Tommy saying: “I really love you man, I’m sure in the future, in other circumstances, we would be having a totally different conversation, as I’m sure one day we will…”

  134. Tiziano Lugli

    Veritas, SO WELL SAID !!!

    It made me think further about what is happening in the Church right now, and tell me if this does not apply…Straight from one of LRH’s best lectures ever, The Free Being:

    “…So, you might say with this point that a phase not of us, but a phase of this universe has taken place and has ended: the phase of the free being.”

    “…The oddity here is simply that if all this has happened to you and you’ve been punished, then you must have had been punished for some reason. See, you’re still trying to be reasonable and intelligent about it, and this doesn’t happen to be true at all. The only reasons you were ever punished was for being you, for being powerful and for not being quite intelligent enough.

    The exact crimes were to be there and to communicate. Those were the two crimes.”

    “…You don’t see any OTs walking around right now.”

    “…The condition of OT in this universe became looked upon as highly dangerous and highly unstable.”

    “…How are we going to hold the society together? How do you maintain the strata of the society? How do you maintain this fixed organization which we have, if every janitor can be an OT…”

    “…If everybody remains ignorant in the society, nobody can get out of it, can they? So there’s nothing left for them but to cooperate somehow or another, or keep that society going one way or the other. So, ignorance itself is used as an intelligent mechanism of entrapment, and to this is added force, and you get all sorts of odd combinations.”


    This is as true today as it ever was !!!

  135. Tiziano Lugli

    I don’t recall laughing as much as we did last night !!!

    Thank YOU

  136. Yes, RJ … and now we have them getting stronger and wiser than ever. And there will be more when the it isn’t laced with additives and hidden, manipulative agenda$. Needed to pull back from the enturbulation to see it.

  137. 🙂 ♥ ∞

  138. Tiziano, Sort of like the character Q …:-) I LOVE Q!!!

  139. “My only question is how long before they will pass out the Kool-Aid.” Especially for Snowhite and Minerva.

  140. Ditto CD and Burke.

    I had only heard of the site but never bothered to check it out until now. They are free to write it and we are free to read it.

    I love this one from Minerva: “Marty Rathbun has befriended many of those on the far left who openly state that their goal is the complete destruction of Scientology and all LRH Tech.”

    Personal integrity in place: check! I haven’t see this. Ever. She lost me after “befriended”.

    All the same, I found it good to read to recall the point of view of the church (I’ve been off staff for so long). I have friends on staff and onlines. I know what they are running up against from this POV, so I know their reality.

  141. Beautiful post. My favorite on this site.

  142. martyrathbun09

    Jason A, wow. What an honor – thanks for weighing in.

  143. Tiziano,

    I just read your story and I feel for you and your family and I empathize with you. That is some SERIOUS bullshit! But just stay true to what makes you happy and don’t let the suppression from the solid downtone assholes break your spirit. Untangle yourself from the noise and nonsense and destimulate and focus on enjoying your life and contributing to others and the guilty will get theirs. I believe that the theta, spirit of play high ARC beings like us ARCX them every time, so dont let them intorvert you and crush your anchor points as they are trying to do and make you cower like THEY already have.
    Stay Strong. All The Best to you and yours. Jefretheta.

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  146. Sara Goldberg

    Tiziano – I just read your post and it was so beautiful it brought back wonderful memories and tears to my eyes. My first Org was CC over on LaBrea with Yvonne and Heber. It was just as you say it was: so much fun and purpose and people caring about people. We were crowded into the courseroom training, drilling, auditing, all in one space and it was thrilling. Thank you so much, you have helped rehab the good things about Scientology. I was declared last July after 37 years in Scientology and attaining OTVIII. I lost a lot of friends and my daughter and her family disconnected which was devastating. But what I have found is true friends in the Independent field and very brace and caring people their to help. Welcome Tiziano and Jamie. I’m so happy you are free and with us now.

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