Jorge Arroyo in memoriam – my first Mexican Amigo

I was saddened upon being informed that the fellow who reportedly hung himself to death on the Freewinds was Jorge Arroyo (ref: Ship of fools post by Mike Rinder).  I knew Jorge.  I trained and audited on the Freewinds for eighteen months after my blow in November 1993. The general crew were in various forms of  mystery about my status as I was on full time sec checking, auditing and training and doing seaman checksheets.  Jorge was  several years younger than I.  He was a tall, thin Mexican fellow with a thick black head of hair and full eye brows.  He worked in the engine room. 

I couldn’t help but remember Jorge well because he was one of my few real friends during my glorified “rehabilitation project”.  I trained in the staff course room. Many staff were afraid to approach me and especially afraid to do meter drills with me. Jorge was different. Even with his  broken English he came right up and volunteered to go on the meter with me.  He became my most regular emeter drills twin because he had no back off, he had a very high level of ARC generally, and his needle was clean as the driven snow.  I knew it was the same guy when the person who reported the suicide said that Jorge became the favorite of every metering student over the next decade because of his beautiful, responsive needle.

Jorge had game. Basketball is my sport and during CSP he and his brother Jesus would come out and play with me and Ludwig Alpers (Port Captain).  I know hoops, and Jorge was a real baller.

Jorge liked me not because I was some former hot shot with status. He liked me because he liked people, and while respectful at how conscientious I was about my training, he was at ease and casual and genuinely friendly with me.  

He wanted nothing more than to become an auditor. He followed my training.  When I started auditing people up the Bridge, he had a gleam in his eye when he asked what was it like actually auditing a pc.  

Jorge apparently had a crush on the RTC Rep at the Ship, Lurie Belotti. Please don’t hold that against him, you know how that “opposites attract” sometimes works out.  Because of the impossibility of a mere snipe making advances to the lofty RTC, he had to hold it within him.  He became distraught. His auditor C/S’d him for a PAB 6 handling.   When Belotti found out, she nixed that and pursuant to her trained in DM Reverse Scientology policy, had him sent to Ethics to be handled rough and tough – punishment for what went on his mind.

The EP of RTC’s handling of this gentle soul, was that Jorge took a sheet and hung himself to death at the Freewinds. No more than five people on the Ship know that. They have been briefed that Jorge had a heart attack.

A Coroner’s inquest was called. A woman Steward was briefed to tell the Coroner that Jorge had an obsession with her and that is what lead to his suicide.  Belotti’s name and RTC were kept completely out of the record.  All documents – and there were plenty – that mentioned the truth of the matter were destroyed at RTC’s direction.

To add injury to death and cover-up, Jorge’s brother, the irrepressible Jesus, was “gotten rid of” to wipe out all memory or possible reminder of Jorge. Jesus was routed out – at RTC’s direction -from the Sea Org.

Jorge, in my view, died of the Sad Effect, as covered by LRH in HCOB 14 March 1963:

“We could call this Tearaculi Apathia Magnus and everyone would be in great awe of it. But I see no reason to follow the Latinated nonsense of yesterday’s failed sciences.  Call it something simple and the auditor will feel he can do something about it and even the pc will cheer up a bit. So it’s ‘the sad effect.'”

This is a state of great sadness, apathy, misery and desire for suicide or death.”

 Nothing dishonorable about that. The magnitude of the ARC break is commensurate to the original ARC. And Jorge had an abundance of it.  Peace to his auditor who C/S’d him to be  handled in such wise. 

 At this moment, I deeply regret never having done anything to help Jorge get onto the TTC.  I owe Jorge. 

So, Jesus, my brother, reach out; I’m gonna make it up to you. Anything you need, you got.  If you are afraid to reach directly then get hold of my man Roberto Sanchez, http://winsmexico.wordpress.com/. He is a real Scientologist. He can be trusted.

Jorge, we’re here for you.

Until then, fly in peace, brother.

ps: Is it coincidence that just before I received this news,  I began listening to He Got Game by Chuck D and Stephen Stills (to the tune of Stills’ classic ‘For What It’s Worth’) over and over?   It’s an appropriate (lyrics go far beyond the court) send off for you, Jorge, cause you definitely got game:

127 responses to “Jorge Arroyo in memoriam – my first Mexican Amigo

  1. I hope someone contacts his family about what really happened to him. There are plenty of top notch attorneys in California.

    We should get one of these protests together where we all dress up in Sea Org uniforms (available from the uniform shop in Hollywood) . Why not, anyone can buy them. And carry signs made like tombstones with a name on them. That would be a classy protest. The Sea Org there to protest the Sea Org! Step right back into that identity to protest that identity. And honor the deceased by letting everyone know we disagreed about tragic deaths.

  2. Impartial English Girl

    Poor, poor Mr. Arroyo. I feel for him so much. Unrequited love is such a terrible thing and then to be exposed and brutalised by those he trusted and held dear… I can well understand why he was driven to take his own life. I hope that he is now at peace. It is utterly obscene what they did to an innocent man who sounds like such a gentle and dignified soul.

  3. Oh my god, this is so sad!
    Marty, thank you for writing this – you have my love and support.
    Mike’s article reminded me of how many Latin people are on the Ship, many Colombians and Mexicans that are wonderful people. The Ship is mostly Latin crew and staff. I love them and it pains me terribly to imagine the suffering they are going through.
    We have to continue to expose these atrocities. Can we get organize a protest in front of the Ship with signs saying how Jorge died?

  4. crashingupwards

    “Blessed are the meek of heart, for they shall inherit the kingdom of heaven”

    Wherever you are Jorge, its a better place than where you were.

  5. Marty,
    How is it that people are freaking DYING and no one comes screaming out of there? It’s one thing to F with the tech. You’ll get to pay for that. But that so many people have died while in the heart of Scientology, and it just gets covered up and covered up and brushed away and swept under the freakin’ rug.

    My God. Has everyone just flat sold their soul and gone into complet denial? Every time I learn of something else like this, it makes me wonder… what the hell did I ever get myself into?

    I’m ready for something DRASTIC to happen to DM. He needs his world ROCKED and he needs to go. Squirrling is bad enough. But loss of life? LOSS…. OF … LIFE???

    He’s gotta go.
    Yesterday.

  6. Damn, this is sad. It would be interesting to see the “In Memorium” penned in the name of ED Int and see what it said in comparison to this soulful, heartfelt post of Marty’s. Man, I feel griefy right now. That won’t last beyond the completion of this comment, but I’ll remember this story forever, Marty. Thanks.

  7. God, the pain one must feel to commit suicide. Real pain. What does this say about an environment that undercuts such a happy person and brings this about? Very sad.

    Some where, some parents are rejoicing over having this child come into their lives.

    From the song “He Got Game:”

    “People used
    Even murders excused

    While the devil takes care
    Of makin all the rules
    Folks don’t even own themselves
    Payin mental rent
    To corporate presidents”

    Michael

    ps. Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, KU

  8. Marty,

    What a tragedy.

    Thank you for sharing the truth with us. Jorge is an incredible being who deserved better.

    Another inspiration to make sure that DMs reign of terror comes crumbling down.

    I hope that anyone who has comm lines to Jesus helps him to connect up with you and that he knows that you now fight the oppression within.

  9. War and Peace

    Marty ~

    Beautifully written, I actually felt emotions and grief at the fate of this lovely thetan Jorge Arroyo
    something I rarely feel.

    In Church of Miscavology
    RAPES are covered up,
    CHILD MOLESTATION is covered up.
    SAVAGE BEATINGS BY DM are covered up
    ASSAULT and BATTERY routinely occurs at INT BASE ~~ covered up
    attempted HOMICIDE is covered up (Chuck Prenner of INCOMM strangling Noomi into a Coma ~~ almost death~~ covered up
    SUICIDES ~~ covered up
    (Stacy Moxon Meyer at INT BASE)
    Jorge Arroyo suicide

    “Religion” indeed.

  10. martyrathbun09

    W and P, thanks. Tough to confront, but true.

  11. Jorge Arroyo you will not be forgotten.

  12. Watching Eyes

    I rarely feel sad reading this blog but the story of Jorge really grabbed me. Such a senseless death but with their ruthless handling he had no other solution. It’s not like they would have let him leave.

    The only pleasant part of the story is that Jesus is out. Thank God for that. I worry for Jesus though. He has to have an enormous amout of BPC on a few counts: the way his brother was treated, the suicide, then the way he (Jesus) was treated —tossed out like yesterday’s garbage. I sure hope he hooks up with Roberto Sanchez. Maybe Roberto will even seek him out.

  13. I fear he probably died feeling that it was HIS fault. That HE wasn’t good enough. He couldn’t measure up.

    “Nobody needs a loser like me around.”

    Yeah. I could see that, but I will NOT put words on his silenced lips.

    They already did that – and poorly.

  14. Anytime someone forces their way out of a body prematurely it is a sad day.

    When it is a person who dedicated his life to helping others, the loss is compounded. Further still, that he was driven to it by people who were supposed to be helping him, is as tragic as it can be, and the ultimate in betrayal.

    A pox on the Freewinds.

    Centurion

  15. DM, by course of his leather hand of “control”, is at fault for this. If it wasn’t for his Black Dianetics, I do believe the Jorge would still be alive, molesters would be brought to justice, rapists would be caught, the beatings would stop, and many more suicides would be prevented. It is now paramount to remove him from power. He is truly evil.

    Meisha

  16. Marty’s in the hood…

    Rock on brutha.

  17. Jorge,

    As these people are my witness, you will not have lived in vain, you will not have loved in vain, nor will you have died in vain.

    The truth of your life will be acknowledged and revered by your real friends, and we will work tirelessly to see that justice is done, and that you may go in peace, looking to a better future, and a better world for us all. And that you achieve your purpose of getting trained.

    The betrayal cuts deep, I know. This is why the Bhudda cries. I share those tears, as do us all.
    Please forgive me, my reasonableness on 7,8, 9 and 10.

    I must go now, and sharpen my KSW.

  18. My exit story is something similar and I had that night in hell myself but I went forward and now I am helping promote the tech and the Venus project.

    I loved the people there too and two in particular. One is out due to my influence I think or not. Don’t know.

    The church did the ethics thing with me too and deadfiled me. I crashed and I have a book wrote it would you believe. Not published it.

  19. I´m in schock. I knew Jorge and his brother Jesus in Mexico. We made the product zero together in Latam. They were from Michoacan, Mexico (Margarita too). They really were very up tone people, very simple, very nice. They had a big dream: “to be staff of the Frewwinds”. In any post, they just wanted to be “Sea Org members of the org elite”. It is so sad, his dream became in his tomb. To Miscavige, not more impunity, stop to damage to staff.
    We will continue exposing your crimes, until your kingdom of terror is ended. To my old friend, Jorge: God blesses you.

  20. Everything Marty says here is true. I was on the Ship for two months doing the Officer Training program and Jorge was the main engineer that I worked with in the Engine Room. I also did some checkouts and things with him in the staff courseroom. We became friends. He was remarkably gentle, kind, sweet and friendly. Somebody you cannot forget. It’s beyond outrageous that this was covered up.

  21. martyrathbun09

    Amen.

  22. Marty, you have my support. I am so very sorry this happened. My heart aches. This beautiful and caring thetan did not deserve this, no one deserves to be driven to this.

    This just reeks. How many more are there? God this man has got to be brought down now. No more need to die, be inprisoned, beaten, starved, thrown out. All of you lurkers stand the hell up and fight back.

    There is no way to justify any of this.These cover-ups are not the greatest good for anyone’s dynamics. Only the truth can set you free.

    We all have things to overcome so pull yourselves up and start confronting. There are no excuses for any of this.

  23. Marty,
    Thanks for clarifying who committed suicide, from Mike’s piece and for sharing your fond, theta memories of Jorge with us, a very nice memorium. I truly hope Jorge and Jesus are living much happier lives now.
    What a sad, sad turn of events on board the “free”winds.
    I am so glad the “recently debriefed former Freewinds staff” is off the ship now and communicating. I assume he/she was one of the “no more than 5 people on the ship” that knew that the truth about Jorge.
    What happenned to Ludwig Alpers after his false out 2D accusation?

  24. Bozz,

    you asked:

    “How is it that people are freaking DYING and no one comes screaming out of there?”

    I asked a similar question to a staff member after a business aquaintence at the local Org committed suicide while on Grade 1. The brush off answer I got was “he was on psyhc drugs”.

    When I asked how was this undisclosed in his auditing I was refered to the local DSA (Dir. of Special Affairs) which began to ask why I was asking and what was my interest and who else had I discussed this with. I was then told the the matter was none of my concern and there was nothing further to disclose.

    So many other were content with the the explanation given, ” he was on psych drug”, easily answers and fills the mystery for them, I guess.

  25. ¿Qué onda Jesús?

    Aquí estoy camarada. Lo que ocupes.

    Lo que ocupes.

    Lo que esté en mis manos. Y creeme; mucho; mucho esta al alcanze de mis manos.

    Un abrazote.

    Roberto Sánchez Núñez

  26. Freedom Fighter

    Boy, I had to give myself a locational after reading this. I didn’t know Jorge, but this hit far too close to home for me.

    Without going into detail, suffice it to say that I know very well the depths of this Sad Effect x10 and live it every day. I’ve stared into the face of what Jorge must have gone through and if it weren’t for my sheer desire not to let the f-ckers win and my unwillingness to create what would certainly be a bad effect on my family, I would have already met a similar fate.

    Before going through what I’ve been through, such a thing was never on even on my radar, but thanks to the perverted, black version of the tech being dished up at the Orgs and Missions, that changed. I’ve seen how black things can get and it ain’t pretty. No one should have to go through that. No one.

  27. martyrathbun09

    Muchas Gracias Compadre.

  28. Deepest condolences on the loss of your friend, Marty.

    Caliwog

  29. Since I finally flew the coop (just weeks ago), the movie Poltergeist keeps coming to my mind.

    Those souls who just can’t take the injustice any more I liken to those beings in the movie who were ruthlessly disregarded by the greedy development company that built the shiny new, PTS to the middle class, subdivisions on top of the graves of loved ones and then covered it up.

    Those souls never rested and the humanity, love, and all that is true shone through and the crimes were forced into the light with a vengeance. There is no escaping the inevitable for DM and the C of S.

    “When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it–always.”

    Mahatma Gandhi

  30. What happened to Jorge is Miscavige’s evaluative, executive, reverse Scientology C/Sing taken to its tragic end. It bears all the hallmarks.

    PC needed the stabilizing effect of a correctly done PAB 6 handling and then expertly C/Sed and executed auditing to get him back to battery. To hell with dong the decent, caring thing, Jorge received the viciousness that passes for an “ethics handling” and “security” these days, as dictated by so called executives who care not one bit for their people!

    I really don’t know whether to spit, cry or scream. I seem to be doing all three.

  31. Mike Lemeron

    Hi, Marty. I saw you at the ship during this time period. You said hello to me and that impressed me because the rest of RTC was all “holier than thou”. I knew Jorge and his brother. They were cool. All the engineers were cool. I was on the first team doing the officer
    training school. Even though we were scrubbing in the bilges, the engineers treated us with respect and Jorge was always smiling and respectful and friendly. Lurie and her squirrel anti application killed this guy. Since when is it an ethics offense to have ARC for someone? I guess since DM decided he was source.

  32. martyrathbun09

    Hi Mike, most of the snipes were cool. Jorge stood out from amongst a quality group of guys (and that one woman in there was wonderful too).

  33. FlavorsinGreen

    I understand that a coroner investigated the matter but are you sure that he committed suicide? Did he ever mention suicide?

  34. LogicHammer

    My God.

    Lurie Belotti, RTC rep, member of an out-ethics, ruthless, uncaring, unfeeling org that’s supposedly shepherding the most powerful technology in this sector but is actually squirreling it, an org that has betrayed not only hundreds if not thousands of parishioners, but has also betrayed LRH, actually was found to be attractive by a kind soul such as Jorge? Is this the RTC reaction to genuine ARC? She should’ve thanked her lucky stars that someone as kind and warm as Jorge took an interest in her, and she could have left it at that.

    Could Jorge been smashed by RTC because he was giving effective help to Marty? Would it be too harsh to mention the following from HCO PL 7 Aug 1965 Issue I, Suppressive Persons, Main Characteristics Of; “4. AN SP WILL SEEK TO UPSET AND GET RID OF THE BEST STAFF MEMBERS.”?

    Many people come into Scientology to handle ARCXs, unrequited love, sad effect. Now we’ve seen how RTC puts period to an open ARC line.

    If only LRH were here to throttle the necks of the terminals responsible. Then maybe they’d have a cognition. He, like me, must be sick of the Church’s continual pattern of betrayal. Many readers of this blog have been betrayed where the cost was time, money, etc. But the cost of Jorge’s betrayal was absolute.

    As Marty said; Jorge, fly in peace. Please don’t blunt your purpose to help others in spite of how those knuckleheads treated you.

    And Marty; thank you for posting this.

  35. I’m with you.

  36. Titus Andronicus

    Jorge Arroyo, of all the engineers at the Freewinds, was the best – hands down — at ‘sliding down a ladder’. (No pun intended). Many of you will know what that is — it’s when a sailor, or an engineer, etc., supports his weight on his arms and, without putting his feet on the ladder steps or rungs, glides down the handrail of the ladder on the palms of his hands. I’ve seen Jorge’s technique quite a bit as I spent my fair share of time in the ER (engine room). He was most skilled. When the first of the F’winds videos was shot in the 90s, the ER sequence had a ladder slide shot in it but Jorge’s superlative technique was passed over for another engineer’s. ‘Twas second rate.

    He was the kind of guy who’d go out of his way to tell you that you needed to put your ear protection on when cleaning in the genny (generator) room, which has got to be the loudest place on the planet, apart from maybe the 7th game of the NBA finals: Celtics v. Lakers.

    And yeah, he could really handle a basketball. Blew the doors off the Captain on more than one occasion, who fancies himself a deft b-baller.

    People who possess the capacity and ability to see the grace and beauty in others said nice stuff about Jorge. He was just as Marty described him, to the letter. I do not know this on a firsthand basis, but someone was once commenting on what a sweet couple of sons Jorge and Jesus were to their mama back in Mexico as, among other things, each of the sons set aside a substantial portion of his meager pay each to send it home to their mother.

    I wept for Jorge and I wept for Jesus reading this, but I wept for Jorge’s mother most of all for the terrible pain of losing her dear boy.

    I won’t besmirch this simple remembrance of a kind, gentle, uptone, man by mentioning my opinion of the creatures who, through their cruelty and omitted love, caring and understanding of another being, helped to bring this terrible thing to pass. I will say that I do not understand how any of them can rest their heads on a pillow at night and sleep the sleep of the innocent.

    To borrow the old Irish expression; Jorge, we hardly knew ye.

  37. This is very tragic and I am speechless. All I can think of is how I really want to beat the living daylights out of DM but I am going to leave that to Bobo, DM’s future cell mate.

  38. Watching Eyes

    Roberto,
    Are you saying Jesus is there with you? My Spanish isn’t very good but I’m hoping that’s what I read.

  39. Titus Andronicus

    Jorge Arroyo, of all the engineers at the Freewinds, was the best – hands down — at ‘sliding down a ladder’. (No pun intended). Many of you will know what that is — it’s when a sailor, or an engineer, etc., supports his weight on his arms and, without putting his feet on the ladder steps or rungs, glides down the handrail of the ladder on the palms of his hands. I’ve seen Jorge’s technique quite a bit as I spent my fair share of time in the ER (engine room). He was most skilled. When the first of the F’winds videos was shot in the 90s, the ER sequence had a ladder slide shot in it but Jorge’s superlative technique was passed over for another engineer’s. ‘Twas second rate.

    He was the kind of guy who’d go out of his way to tell you that you needed to put your ear protection on when cleaning in the genny (generator) room, which has got to be the loudest place on the planet, apart from maybe the 7th game of the NBA finals: Celtics v. Lakers.

    And yeah, he could really handle a basketball. Blew the doors off the Captain on more than one occasion, who fancies himself a deft b-baller.

    People who possess the capacity and ability to see the grace and beauty in others said nice stuff about Jorge. He was just as Marty described him, to the letter. I do not know this on a firsthand basis, but someone was once commenting on what a sweet couple of sons Jorge and Jesus were to their mama back in Mexico as, among other things, each of the sons set aside a substantial portion of his meager pay each to send it home to their mother.

    I wept for Jorge and I wept for Jesus reading this, but I wept for Jorge’s mother most of all for the terrible pain of losing her dear boy.

    I won’t besmirch this simple remembrance of a kind, gentle, uptone, man by mentioning my opinion of the creatures who, through their cruelty and omitted love, caring and understanding of another being, helped to bring this terrible thing to pass. I will say that I do not understand how any of them can rest their heads on a pillow at night and sleep the sleep of the innocent.

    To borrow the old Irish expression; Jorge, we hardly knew ye.

  40. Titus Andronicus

    Jorge Arroyo, of all the engineers at the Freewinds, was the best – hands down — at ‘sliding down a ladder’. (No pun intended). Many of you will know what that is — it’s when a sailor, or an engineer, etc., supports his weight on his arms and, without putting his feet on the ladder steps or rungs, glides down the handrail of the ladder on the palms of his hands. I’ve seen Jorge’s technique quite a bit as I spent my fair share of time in the ER (engine room). He was most skilled. When the first of the F’winds videos was shot in the 90s, the ER sequence had a ladder slide shot in it but Jorge’s superlative technique was passed over for another engineer’s. ‘Twas second rate.

    He was the kind of guy who’d go out of his way to tell you that you needed to put your ear protection on when cleaning in the genny (generator) room, which has got to be the loudest place on the planet, apart from maybe the 7th game of the NBA finals: Celtics v. Lakers.

    And yeah, he could really handle a basketball. Blew the doors off the Captain on more than one occasion, who fancies himself a deft b-baller.

    People who possess the capacity and ability to see the grace and beauty in others said nice stuff about Jorge. He was just as Marty described him, to the letter. I do not know this on a firsthand basis, but someone was once commenting on what a sweet couple of sons Jorge and Jesus were to their mama back in Mexico as, among other things, each of the sons set aside a substantial portion of his meager pay each to send it home to their mother.

    I wept for Jorge and I wept for Jesus reading this, but I wept for Jorge’s mother most of all for the terrible pain of losing her dear boy.

    I won’t besmirch this simple remembrance of a kind, gentle, uptone, man by mentioning my opinion of the creatures who, through their cruelty and omitted love, caring and understanding of another being, helped to bring this terrible thing to pass. I will say that I do not understand how any of them can rest their heads on a pillow at night and sleep the sleep of the innocent.

    To borrow the old Irish expression; Jorge, we hardly knew ye.

  41. Maybe you missed this particle? :

    Others haven’t been so lucky. One of the Ship Engineers was severely disaffected with Captain Love Boat after several run-ins with him. He became increasingly enturbulated and was not sleeping. He was put under 24 hour watch with full time guards and video cameras in his room. He was not handled with standard tech and ended up committing suicide by hanging himself in the shower with a sheet. The entire incident was covered up so as not to create a “flap.” False information was given to the authorities.

  42. Why would we be concerned whether he mentioned suicide? HE COMMITTED SUICIDE.

  43. Titus,
    Thank you for this.

  44. There is another Sea Org suicide that I have never heard discussed publicly. That is Aaron Poulin. He was not older than 23. He was AOLA staff in ’05. His wife was CMO IXU. Aaron was always in trouble. I did not know him well. But one day he disappeared. He blew. And whereever he went, once he got there, he shot himself in the head.

    Security was briefed to deny all knowlege and just pretend like Aaron blew and never came back. There was absolutely no discussing the matter. Many people thought he had been promoted to FLO because of his wife. Aaron’s brother and parents are still onlines. What must his parents have thought when they had to ID his body?

    Suicide In the Sea Org. Suicide at Int Mgmt. Suicide on the Ship. That’s a very, very heavy reality.

  45. Your description of Jorge made me smile and I can imagine him and his high ARC, high interest, fun spirited self.
    I too am sorry for your loss. I hope you see Jorge again in better times.

  46. Thank you, Marty, for paying tribute to Jorge, Another working-class hero as in John Lennon’s song.

    This makes me want to be totally selfish. My brother-in-law, Larry Jacobs, who spent years and years dutifully traveling around the world making videos for events, miraculously making things go right for DM (to present a positive image) time and time again – for some reason got scape-goated in 2005, RPFed and has been there ever since as far as I know. I don’t know where he’s at spiritually but as Morgan Freeman says in Shawshenk Redemption “every man has his limits as to how much he can take” (as Jorge).

    Can anyone here tell me where Larry’s at? Any suggestions what I can do to improve on his and my sister’s situation (she works in ASI)?

  47. Lol!

  48. UnluckyPatron

    In thinking of what would make a decent protest, I had an idea which might be viable. What if, for example, Marty, a protest was staged and there was a sign with the LRH quote from Handbook for Preclears which quoted him when he says that any group which forbids you to have children is a suppressive group. Or another sign which quoted LRH in saying that orgs should make money from selling Scientology and actual services and should not get into donations and raising money without any actualy exchange. The book and page number could be referenced on the sign and other signs could have powerful quotes which fly straight into the teeth of DM and would be impossible for SO members to ignore who would be walking the streets.

    I think that this would hit closer to home with Scientology public and SO members, say, in the downtown Clearwater area and might wake a few more people up to the facts that got the rest of us slightly curious years ago and started us on this crappy rabbit hole.

    Just a thought.

  49. Is Lurie Belotti the sister of Kim Belotti, the FCDC ED?? ~

  50. Flavorish Green I was there when it happened. He did kill himself!! This story is very accurate indeed!

  51. 1. Thank you very much for posting this, Marty, and my compassion to you and those who knew and loved this man.

    2. This is outrageous. How many more people have to die? How many more suicides and deaths will be covered up? How many more deaths on the RPF? (Uwe Stuckenbrock) How many more murders by Black Tech (Lisa McPherson) have to happen before this evil is addressed? HOW MANY?

  52. I knew Jorge too, he couldn’t harm a fly. Now I understand why Lurie had to smash him down even after his death stating that “Jorge was a fucking SP” yes these are her own words, not mine.

  53. A very sad episode, Marty. Thanks for your account, and for reaching out to his brother. The correct tech would have handled him without a doubt. I should know. I’ve successfully handled many similar “obsessions” over the years in my solo auditing.

  54. Where’s the love?

    Seriously,

    Where is the love in this group? What value is all the tech; all the policy; everything? Even the goals of Scientology seem to me,worthless if not built on love.
    Why would we do any of it in the first place if not out of love for our fellow man and woman?

    This makes me cry.

    p.s. You know, it just occurred to, I do know the answer to my question.
    It’s here. This is where the love is. This is where I feel it. I know this sad effect, intimately. My brother succumbed to it and if I didn’t have personal experience of what’s to come and what I’d be doing to all those around me I would have done it years ago.

    You guys are my life line.

    Thanks for holding this door open, Marty.

  55. Marty, this is really tragic and condolences to you.

    Speaking of loving an RTC terminal –

    In 1990, a female Hungarian FSO staff member fell in love with none other than Dave the Chairman himself and confessed in a sec check that she wanted to “get close to COB”. She was offloaded by Security in 24 hours as “psychotic” and put on the next plane to Hungary. The irony.

  56. Felicitas Foster

    Thanks for sharing this story wiht us.

    It is scary what consquences the reversed Tech has and it is still applied to a lot of people we all love.

    Yes I had various feelings when reading it but the main thing is that we have to stand up and use the Tech the weay it was meant to be – it can do so much good – and unfortunately so much bad as well.

    Let’s reach for the future it will be bright and shiny.

    Felicitas

  57. I join in in that!

  58. Fancy, Do you know me?

  59. Dear Jorge and Jesus
    Lágrimas en el cielo
    This one is for you.

    Jorge I send my love and wishes that you have gone to far better place than whence you departed.

  60. For Jesus. I hope you are doing well my friend, I still remember when we went to my diving rock in St. Vincent.

  61. Bob Johnson

    I’ve seen Introspection Rundowns work, as in the case of Chuck Prenner (former INCOMM staff who flipped out and tried to strangle his wife to death), and I’ve seen Introspection Rundowns not work (Lisa McPherson). I’ve seen PAB 6 handlings work, and I’ve seen them not work (John H. Boucher – see YouTube video below). It seems the common denominator is not only having the correct technology and applying it correctly, but also the PC needs to be in safe, destimulated environmenet and handled by high-ARC people who actually care about them.

    PAB 6 not working (Reverse Scientology):

  62. Bob Johnson

    This video specifically mentions the “PAB 6 handling” John H. Boucher received:

  63. Joe Pendleton

    Absolutely terrible that this being had to put at the effect of these “ethics” bastards. My heart goes out to him. I’ve already decided that I will never, EVER communicate to a church terminal about the 2D. By observation (“factually”), these folks are freakin’ NUTS in this area; dramatizing psychos as they tell YOU what you are doing wrong and need to do (get them some mirrors). I just decided to stay away from the 2D cycles and stay away from money talk (I realize the impossibility of the above if you are on lines). Somehow after paying through SHSBC, OT III, IAS donos, etc, I have ended my involvement with the church with 90% of my money still in the bank (just say no, baby, even when you’re threatened and EVERY button bushed, just say no – you’ll feel better in the morning).

  64. I didn’t know Jorge. I do know the pain of loss and betrayal. I know the crushing, intolerable pain that can overwhelm one to the point where any release is sought. Any respite, even if for a moment.

    I sincerely hope that this being can overcome this tragedy in his journey to release from that which is the source of this kind of devastating force.

    The same force that makes those who were, numb to this soul’s plight.

  65. FF, I’ve got a similar thing. Are you able to get some auditing out here in the Independent world? I had some really severe out-tech, spent years giving myself continuous locationals so I didn’t go type 3, not able to sleep more than 15 minutes here and there, wound up seriously ill, and here I am, almost 20 years later almost totally physically incapacited. Finally getting it handled, but not sure if this body’s gonna hold out long enough. The way the orgs handled this was to put me on ethics programs, label me PTS type “D”(blaming Scn. for my condition), and generally deny me what I really needed, the OT levels. (and it was soooo obvious per this tech that this IS what I needed, not ethics handlings). As you say, all this was no where on my radar. It’s totally real to me that Jorge’s suicide was brought about by his squirrel “handlings”. There’s nothing worse than out-tech; because it goes so deep, it can really mess one up in the worst way. I want to say well done for hanging in there. My postulates for you that you get a good auditor, and get fixed soon, and my postulates to Jorge that he finds standard Scn. next lifetime and gets the beautiful, incredible wins available.

  66. Many times when I read this blog I drift off into another universe and day dream for a bit.

    Just realized I loose for a brief moment my confront looking at the “evil empire”.

    Each time I get back my confront I feel a little stronger and I want to do more to take down this SP bullshit.

    Enough is enough

  67. Jorge, you and I share different beliefs, but one thing I know. You are beautiful …

  68. This Video got me involved.

  69. martyrathbun09

    Yeah, he taugh me the Jorge slide too. Couldn’t do it like him though. Poetry in motion.

  70. martyrathbun09

    Note to administrators. I may only be on line only once or twice today. We are getting bombarded with trolls – of both the Dm and anonymous variety. This is an in memorium for God sake. Please spam anything even slightly off color. These people are sick and they can be sick on their own forums. That is what they are for afterall. Not here.

  71. Bob. unqualified people think: ” I have to do more of the same so than it must work”

    To much Vitamins can actually kill a person. And to much walks too if the body does not get time to rest.

  72. I stand with Marty Rathbun on this. I hope the spammers find some sanity at some time in their live preferably right now !

    Not giving in to your impulses will make you a better person.

  73. There’s a correct diagnosis for once.

    That is hillarious 🙂

  74. Pity them Marty.
    For some people genuine love, compassion, honesty, beauty, fellowship, warmth, humanity, grace and kindness are just more than can be understand and borne.
    For some, there is a long way to go up before the beautiful language of universal love so eloquently conversed here can be even duplicated.
    Never mind the cur dogs.
    This is for you, Marty and Mosey and all the special people who live as free beings in this ‘very special place’:

    I know – head spin right? Today Sam is all mushy and philosophical! 😉

  75. Free Scientology

    Hello all – just wanted to let you know that I’ve gone from a lurker to a real terminal who gives and receives communication.

    I’m sorry to hear about Jorge’s plight. I’m glad that at least his name and theta spirit will go towards the greater good of enlightening one and all about the truth within CofM.

    arc,

    freescn.com (up soon! Just registered it today 🙂

  76. I have no words. RTC and it’s so-called “Chairman of the Board” have GOT to go!

  77. Bob Johnson

    War and Peace – You’re right, Chuck Prenner’s attempt to murder hsi own wife via strangulation was an attempted homicide, and Miscavige was involved in covering it up (including getting a job for Chuck at Real World once his Introspection Rundown was done). I have reason to believe Miscavige would have covered up even if Chuck had been “successful”. However, Chuck’s wife Noomi was never in a coma; she never lost conciousness; she never even went to a doctor. She managed to escape before any serious damage was done, though she did have marks around her neck.

  78. The Chaplain

    That sounds like the Dianetics TV ad campaign or material for a viral you tube video?

  79. War and Peace

    Imagine anyone having sexual feelings for the Reptilian Predator DM.

    He radiates HATRED.
    His tone level is PUNISHING BODIES and CONTROLLING BODIES. His punishments to SO members are SADISTIC and he gets off on (ENJOYS) the domination and inability to fight back.

    Boggles the mind.

    There is no accounting for taste.

  80. War and Peace

    Thank you Bob good post.
    The point is that attempted homicide is supposed to be reported to Law Enforcement.
    Whether Chuck Prenner was crazy ~~ i.e. “Not guilty by reason of insanity” is for law enforcement and the courts to decide.
    Chuck Prenner almost killed Noomi. She was hovering on the line between Life and Death for some weeks.
    The Dirty Deed was to cover it up because it was “BAD PR” LAPD was not informed.
    “The greatest good” for the Church is always to
    BREAK the LAW if it will be bad PR for DM’s Church such as Jorge’s suicide on FREEWINDSs.
    This Church of Miscavology operates outside the LAW.
    This is precisely why Governments of the world are so antagonistic and cynical of the Church being a Church. (Australia, Germany, Belgium, France, Italy, Russia and so on.)

  81. RTC staff: uncompassionate, no emotion, no empathy, ruthless people. The worst of the worst of the Sea Organization.

    No dignity, no honour, no values, no ethics. Eating good food while normal SO staff were on rice and beans (talk about officer leadership…), splitting up families without an inch of remorse, berating good staff. Total robots. The complete reversal of what a leader should be.

    Paolo
    Paolo

  82. SCIE-NO-MORE
    I don’t know where Larry in right inn PT, but I routed out of the S.O. via the RPF in Feb 2008. Larry and I spoke quite a bit as we had met many years previously, so had a comm line. He was trying to reason with me so I would stay. He seemed to be doing okay. Don’t remember how far along the program he was, but I knew he’d bee on for some years.
    Linda

  83. This is beyond tolerance. A lot of people will remember the suicide of Jeremy Kassowicz (mid 90s). He was in his early or mid twenties. He was on lines at CC Int and the suicide was 2D related (bottomless grief that was not handled by CC). I went to his memorial. The grief related to this type of thing is unfathomable.
    Linda

  84. Oh, a man is placed upon the steps and a baby cries
    And high above you can hear the church bell
    Start to ring
    And as the
    Heaviness, oh the heaviness, the body
    Settles in

    Somewhere you can hear a mother sing.

    Then it’s one foot, then the other
    As you step out on the road of hope
    Step out on the road
    How much weight? How much?
    Then it’s how long? And how far?
    And how many times

    Oh, before it’s too late?

    Calling all angels, calling all angels
    Walk me through this one
    Don’t leave me alone
    Calling all angels, calling all angels
    We’re tryin’ and we’re hopin’

    But we’re not sure how…

    Ah, and every day you gaze upon the sunset
    With such love and intensity
    Why…
    It’s, ah, it’s almost as if you could only crack the code
    Then you’d finally understand

    What this all means.

    Ah, but if you could
    Do you think you would
    Trade in all, all the pain and suffering?
    Ah, but then you’d miss
    The beauty of the light upon this earth
    And, and the sweetness of believing…

    Calling all angels. It’s time to get it right.

    I love you and ache beyond words, this story has been so heavy in me …for the senselessness.

    Let’s get it right, every one. Condolences to all.

    End the hostilities and suffering NOW — we can do it.

  85. “love takes no sides but understands them all.”

    Let’s get it done.

  86. Hello ex lurker.
    I see you 😀

  87. War and Peace

    Thanks Bob.
    She was comatose.
    The auditor who did the Bring Back to Life assists was a personal friend of mine and I was relatively close in to the entire cycle.
    Much of what happened to Noomi was very covered up, ESPECIALLY to those at INCOMM.

  88. Freedom Fighter

    Thanks, beebercat. Yes, out tech sucks. It helped me a lot, in a way, just finding out that the tech was being intentionally perverted as I’d spent quite a bit of time introverted into thinking something was wrong with me. I haven’t started getting any sort of handling out here in Indieland yet, but I plan to.

    So glad you’re in the process of getting things handled. I have no doubt that you’ll be back-to-battery in no time now that you’re in the right hands. I already see you hooping and hollering at the big celebration bash we’ve got to have once this ship gets righted. 🙂

  89. Veritas I am with you! beautiful posting. thank you for posting it.

  90. Freedom Fighter

    Marty, take a look here about 1/3 of the way down the page:

    http://en.wordpress.com/features/

    This might help.

  91. Joe Pendleton

    Just got an email from a friend who is having great wins on OTVII. The on lines Scientologist who is doing well has absolutely NO idea of all this. One has to get hit in the face themselves to even get an idea that something is very wrong. Frankly, it will take an arrest or two for charged crimes. THAT kind of publicity (Miscavige led away on a perp walk) is the only thing that will get Scientologists’ attention (and the following stories of financial and other crimes committed). So……….START!

  92. As I read it Jorge Arroyo created space…

    “Single men and determined groups have been the only makers of space in which man could walk free.”

    L. Ron Hubbard

  93. Is Aaron Poulin’s mother Betsy?

    RX

  94. thecountesskrak

    Scie-no-more,

    I might have information if is the same Larry you are talking about that shot videos as the Gold Shoot Crew. He is well, at PAC. He works in Estates taking care of the grounds around the Orgs.

  95. Joe,

    I hear ya. I recently received an email from a friend who heard I was out due to disagreements with DM. (Funny how I am not swupposed to say anything to anyone in the field and yet they can talk away a storm about me) Anyway, I digress.

    She told me that she knew that her perceptions were spot on and that she has stood next to COB on several occasions and that his “space is INCREDIBLE”. She said that COB IS the most caring person on the planet. She told me that she sees long standing problems finally getting fixed. She said LRH would be proud and that this was the most happy with the organization that she has ever been and she has been a Scientologist for about 35 years, maybe more.

    She told me that she would never go the effect of all the “entheta”, that she is just not that PTS.

    It feels like the Twilight Zone.

  96. Titus Andronicus

    My apologies for my post of last night, above, appearing thrice. This was surely not intentional on my part, and an explanation for it I cannot offer, unfortunately. My middling internet skills are better than that — or at least I had believed them to be. I am sorry for the inconvenience of it and its lame-itude.

  97. Ne Obliviscaris

    When I first read of the untimely demise of Jorge Arroyo, a surge of anger washed over me. Anger toward the callous individuals that would have the gall to bring a man such as Jorge to the point of killing himself.

    You see, I knew Jorge Arroyo. He was one my good friends on the ship. All of the engineers were. I let them down.

    Tears are streaming down my face as I write this. I’m sorry guys, sorry I wasn’t strong enough to stay there and protect you. Sorry I wasn’t strong enough to fix the suppressive culture of class distinction that DM created in the Sea Org.

    I was the one who got Jorge and Jesus out of their dead-end posts as Cabin Cleaner and Pot Washer and posted into the E/R where they really wanted to be.

    Marty is right about Jorge. One could only hope to be as clean and in PT as that one.

    Can you guess who I am?

    How about all of you cocksuckers that are still riding DM’s toboggan to nowhere. Do you remember me?

    I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I was willing to hope for a miracle to reverse this awful course the church has taken.

    No more.

    And just to help you out a little bit, remember… “That which you resist you shall receive – or become” – LRH

  98. Titus Andronicus

    For Jorge Arroyo –

    I danced on a Friday when the sky turned black.
    It’s hard to dance with the devil on your back.
    They buried my body and they thought I’d gone,
    But I am the dance and I still go on.

    From Sydney Carter’s ’60s hymn, “Lord of the Dance”.

  99. Bob Johnson

    War and Peace – Believe what you want, but I was at INCOMM at the time and read Noomi’s handwritten KR as I was on the comm ev. She was never comatose. She broke away from Chuck’s grip and ran out the door. If she hadn’t gotten out the door, Chuck would have killed her.She used every bit of strength she had to get away from him. I don’t doubt she may have needed an assist after that, but she was never in a coma or even unconcious.

  100. one of those who see

    Hi Jorge,

    Look how many friends you have. You are so rich in friends!
    I am so sorry you were betrayed. Marty and the gang are making this right. Real Scientology is filled with ARC where the being is really duplicated. Our hopes and dreams for freedom can come true. Failed purposes are fading away.
    We would love your help when you are ready. Sounds like you would make a wonderful Auditor.

  101. one of those who see

    Welcome Free Scientology. Glad to have you aboard.

  102. Thank you Marty. I am speechless. I would only like Jorge to know that I will do anything in my power to handle all of his concerns and the SP inside the C of M, so Jorge is able to continue his journey in peace.

  103. Kathy Braceland

    “How many deaths will it take ’til he knows, that too many people have died?”

    Bob Dylan

  104. martyrathbun09

    Ne, Great to have you weigh in, friend.

  105. Ne Obliviscaris

    Thank you, Marty. Thank you for helping me.

  106. Lady Lancelot

    To John Boucher’s daughter,
    I am so sorry for your loss.
    I went through something similar, so I know how keyed in one can get with the wrong indication.
    I was denied services many years. I was told I was a security risk and I took this to mean that there was something horribly wrong with me, that maybe I was an SP.
    My life pretty much fell apart after that. It took 5 years of frustration and upset and over a hundred thousand dollars to get it sorted out.
    Now that the Church is officially okay with me, I am not sure the Church is okay with me. It’s a hell of a way to treat people. I just don’t get it.
    It really is not okay.
    Thank you for sharing your story. And thank you Bob Johnson for posting it.

  107. “Just got an email from a friend who is having great wins on OTVII. The on lines Scientologist who is doing well has absolutely NO idea of all this.”

    Lack of responsibility.

    We have several dinamics; not just one.

    They don´t know and don´t want to find out and finally they don´t care as long as they “keep on winning”.

  108. In 1990, a female Hungarian FSO staff member fell in love with none other than Dave the Chairman himself and confessed in a sec check that she wanted to get close to COB. She was offloaded by Security in 24 hours as psychotic and put on the next plane to Hungary. The irony.

    Good! One more saved soul.

    Bizarre. Extremely unlikely she was “psychotic” when fitness-qualed to serve in the Sea Org.

    Musta been Stockholm-Syndrome Love.

    Lurie Belotti, RTC rep, member of an out-ethics, ruthless, uncaring, unfeeling org that’s supposedly shepherding the most powerful technology in this sector but is actually squirreling it, an org that has betrayed not only hundreds if not thousands of parishioners, but has also betrayed LRH, actually was found to be attractive by a kind soul such as Jorge?

    That’s supposed to be a feather in her cap, be smitten, etc. is she wasn’t married.

  109. Martin Gibson

    I completely get how that cycle goes. You’d think the bitch could have said “Thankyou for liking me, I am sorry, but I don’t feel the same way, I wish I did”. But I guess that was too much of a lie, since she obviously didn’t care, at all. Just by this I would knock the lot of RTC off post and back to TRO, BE, I assume that would mean human, and of course in the presence of O/W’s they would get somatics and the rest of the none confront phenomena, eventually get sent to ethics for O/W’s, then the PTS handling as it becomes clear they at enemy or stuck at doubt and turn out to be decent Joes. Although I feel shooting the lot would be a fine Ack on this cycle, it would not be what a decent, very obvious from the many different stories/viewpoints of the being, man would want. In fact somewhere sometime, if we all help eachother, he might to meet this Belotti girl again and help her as he probably intended to, with great ARC/love and admiration.
    From LRH: “The fellow says, “Why are we alive?”
    Well, apparently, apparently, the reason we’re alive is to help. I know that’s one of those silly answers. But that’s what life is, it’s silly. I can’t help it if it’s that silly.
    Very often people look at me accusitively as though I invented this thing. Maybe I did, but I don’t remember it. (chuckles)
    So anyway, this HELP button is as dead as the person is dead, you see, you can tell how dead the person is by how little they can help and it’s a direct coordination. It’s one of the wildest things you ever wanted to study in your life. It’s too stupidly simple for any great philosopher ever to notice, you see. That’s how come I can come aling and think of it. It’s just too silly. (laughs)
    Fellow says, “whats is the reason for life?” Oddly enough, the apparent answer to the thing, the apparent answer to the thing, if he wants a very finite, basic reason, is to help people. That’s apparently a fundamental reason for existence. And it’s too silly, but people, people actually run on this basis and when they can no longer help people, they’re dead.
    You take somebody who is on the verge of committing suicide. He keeps talking all the time about suicide, suicide… Ah, morpheus, where is thy bows and arrows? You know, suicide. And he says-and you say, “Whats the matter, bub, can’t help anybody?” You’re liable to hit right into the middle of it.
    You know, he’s liable to say “(sobbing) That’s right.”
    Such a person one time was a terrible alcoholic and I did this quite by accident and I never knew what I did. it was a long time ago, and this person was sobbing and upset, and so forth, and said “I never bring anything but bad luck to anybody.”
    And I said, “Well, isn’t there anybody you’ve ever brought good luck to?”
    They left without answering and at 3 o’clock in the morning rang me up, and said, “Yes.”
    And that was the end of an alcoholism and I could never figure it out. I had this as a case record- case history -and there it stayed.

    There are other isolated instances of this character, you know, but they fitted together, and it simply meant that Help was a very easilly adjusted button although it was a deeply aberrated button. See a person could be quite mad on the subject of help, but it was very easily shaken up and adjusted.

    But the pitiful part of it is that many cures which have been used down through the ages, and so forth, in spite of all evidence that they didn’t help anybody, were consistantly and continually used.
    And do you know that the people who were using these cures believed implicitly that they were helping people? Maybe they never had a case of success in their whole career, but they still believe they’re helping somebody.
    Now, the wrong way to handle them is show them definately that they aren’t helping anybody. That’s the wrong way to handle such a thing.
    The right way to handle it is have a talk with them as to how the could help people. and you’ll find out that the button will realign very rapidly.”
    Lecture “Some aspects of help”, 30 June 1960
    “The key question if you’re talking to people just to disseminate Scientology, and so forth, and knock them out on this-the key question, of course, if you say “Do you think you could be helped?”
    And the fellow says “Well, not, I don;t think so,” so n. It doesn’t matter whether he said, “Not today” or something like this. All you have to do to him is say “Whom have you Failed to Help?”
    He gives you the answers- brrrrrp! “Oh,” he says, “my father and my mother,” and so forth and so on. He’s in-session as far as you’re concerned. (Snap) Happens just that fast. “Whom have you failed to help?” You go-brrrrrp! That’s still help. recognition that one has failed to help is better than no concept of help at all. And he’s on the subject of help and he can be brought up the line on this just with Two-way Comm or some process.”
    Lecture “Presessioning”, 7 August 1960, LRH

    Its sad to see someone leave because the world refused to be loved.

  110. Hey Ne…

    You do what was on your reach.

    You can heal finishing what you began.

    You were needing a team.

    Now you got one if you wish.

    OT´s do better with real, no-PTS, insouciant, brave OT´s.

  111. Hang on dude…

    And don´t let go.

    We have a STRONG line to life here.

    You can hold on securely and rest.

  112. Another friend

    I actually felt such a mixture anger and grief; I had to calm myself down before I could write anything sensible.
    I knew Jorge well, we were really good friends. Last time I saw him he was well and alive. He could find happiness in the smallest of things. Though gentle he was, the kind of gentleness Gandhi had, he was pretty tough cookie. Sadness wouldn’t have killed him; he was a master at overcoming sadness. I think it most have been a betrayal, that in which he had put his trust (auditing) turned against him. A pile of wrong indications that confused him no end and made things intolerable. You see he did have the mind of an engineer, his thinking was very clear and linear, he was not complicated at all and he was extremely orderly and clean. He would have to be pushed into untenable chaos to drive him to this.
    Since our friendship was so close, I have a few details I’ll share to illustrate the greatness of this man. You see, his “mom” was not his mother but his older sister. She along with their numerous siblings were orphaned at a very young age, she was but 13 or 14 when it happened. Few knew this, but he confided in me.
    She did not ever marry or study, but worked and became a mother to the rest of the kids, all got an education, and all were honest decent beings. She barely made enough money to put a roof over their heads, to feed and clothe them Ramon, Jorge and Jesus worked from a very early age in addition to going to school. They also paid for their own education and helped with the education of their siblings. Basket ball was a something they did every chance they had, he once dreamed of going pro. But alas though tall, lean and handsome he was, he was too poor to ever make it. He grew up accustomed to being looked down on by some and this did not bother him, he thought they just needed auditing and then they too could see people are just people regardless of background.
    When found out about Scientology Jorge really wanted to be an auditor, but was very willing to do any job. He considered the opportunity to help LRH in any capacity an honor. He figured he’d do what he had to and eventually he would become an auditor. “I will earn it” he told me. He became my friend too, because I am an auditor and he liked being around them.
    He once told me that the most valuable things his mom (sister) taught him were – the honor of an honest job well done, the pride in having done it to one’s best ability, the idea that tirelessness is in fact a virtue and to love, forgive and give your all as sincerely as possible. He felt these principles were what that drew him and his siblings to Scientology.
    Ramón Arroyo was also on the Freewinds with Jesus and Jorge but routed out as his sister needed help. Both Jorge and Jesus were harassed endlessly over this to disconnect from him. This broke Jorge’s heart. He confided that though no one believed Ramon really felt guilt for abandoning his sister, and that she really needed his help, he knew this was true and he now was supposed to forsake his brother, he wouldn’t. To my knowledge they never gave in.
    He had a lot of love, he was very able and had his heart broken badly a couple times But he did not let it bend him out of shape. Jennifer Alpers was fond of belittling Mexicans, (though her LRH PPROs were Mexican) and would never miss an opportunity to denigrate him. He never resented her, he thought she needed auditing. He knew in his heart that auditing could fix it all. . I can see why he liked Bellotti, he admired an able woman and did succumb to a pretty face. (She had a pretty face before hate contorted it) So not to contradict you Marty, but his gentleness could be deceiving, he was a hardy very strong being and it would have taken horrendous amounts of out tech and case twisting wrong indications to drive the happiness out of his heart and push him to kill himself.
    I curse that witch Laurie, I now officially hate her and she best not cross my path, for her own safety. But he was not vengeful and would not want me to react so. I will contain myself. I raise a glass of wine my friend in your name, I too am sorry I did not help you; I did not make it safer. I will find you again and I will give you what you hoped for, your greatest ambition, as you told me was to be able to help man find the best of himself, and I will help you get that.
    Mexico should be proud of having a son such as you.

  113. To cover up something like that is criminal, driving a man to suicide is to most times reasonable doubt makes it that it can’t be “proven”

    We know it is Thruth. We will stop DM from hurting more human beings.

    What he has done to Jorge is a criminal offence against life.

    “Reverence for Life affords me my fundamental principle of morality, namely, that good consists in maintaining, assisting, and enhancing life and that to destroy, harm, or to hinder life is evil. Affirmation of the world — that is affirmation of the will to live, which appears in phenomenal forms all around me — is only possible for me in that I give myself out for other life.”

    – Albert Schweitzer

  114. Bob Johnson

    War and Peace = You have false data. I was on the comm ev and saw Noomi’s hand-written KR. She was never comtoase; she escaped from the room.

  115. Bob Johnson

    Sorry – I wentt overboard. My mom died in January. Though I respect the song Marty played, allow me to play this song: God Bless All Those Dear To Us:

  116. martyrathbun09

    Bob J, thanks. Jarrett is one of my favorites.

  117. martyrathbun09

    Another Friend, Thank you for this window into Jorge. It all rings true. I hope we hear from Jesus. I’d love to do something for their family.

  118. martyrathbun09

    Martin, thanks for providing this. It is right on the money.

  119. Ne Obliviscaris

    Thank you Roberto. You are a true friend to all Mankind. I do need the help of this group. And I shall help it in return.

    Ne

  120. Another friend,

    Thank you for sharing more truth about Jorge. My respect for him grew even more after the telling of your account. What a beautiful being.

    I am glad that there are people out there who knew him as a being, not just a cog in the wheel. I think that I would have liked Jorge very much, had I known him personally.

    The ways of the theta universe are quite powerful and I am sure that a being as strong as Jorge will one day be an auditor. I am also sure that he would have been very proud to have friends such as you and Marty.

  121. Another Friend,

    Thank you for your beautiful, beautiful eulogy of Jorge. It was also a beautiful tribute to Jorge’s mother who became a mother to her siblings and reared them all.

    It should be easy, not difficult, to see how interconnected we are, how our support and love for each other helps us all move on up a little higher.

    As Martin and LRH reminded us above: We are. We help each other. Life can be that simple.

    Just Me

  122. Titus Andronicus

    That was truly a beautiful and honorable memorial. I want to personally thank you for sharing those truths about Jorge and some of the story of his life. It made me admire the man all the more.

    My deepest condolences to you on the loss of your friend. I can only try to understand how this all must feel for you; not the least of which being that those who did wrong by this man and did other than Ron himself would have done to care for the being — the staff member, the most valuable asset of the org — have dishonored the man and brought shame to themselves by shrouding his death in a tawdry lie.

    Justice will come to them — I want to wax ‘fire and brimstone preacher’ but it’s not my thing. But justice will come to them.

    I wish I knew or could find out who you are as I am certain we know one another, but I am a mere lurker on this site and as yet keep my identity anonymous.

    Peace, brother.

  123. Titus Andronicus

    “I’d love to do something for their family”.

    I second that. I would like to, too. If that comes to fruition, please post it and I will contribute.

  124. Your humble servant

    Could the following drive a person beyond Sad Effect into suicide?

    1. Severe wrong indications?

    2. Making one guilty of “overts” that were not overts or that one did not commit?

    3. Brutal invalidation?

    4. Humiliation?

    Suppose one were to pile these on all at once while making the person believe that he had no solution, no one to turn to, and there was no escape?

    Never mind the possibly broken heart! Here, I say, you have a veritable recipe for suicide! And what do you see on the other side? The thin, cold smile of a suppressive who apparently doesn’t care!

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  126. Jorge was a fellow engineer and my roommate until I was sent off after testing positive for HIV on the ship from a blood transfusion. The sent me my dress white uniform with my officers bars and campaign ribbons. Why, I don’t know. Perhaps so they would have something to bury me in when I died. And I came close to “self-terminating” when repeated attempts to get off to go to my parents 50th wedding anniversary were cut down.

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